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Hey, I've struggled with chronic pain this past year which I finally resolved by reading the book linked above. Sometimes chronic pain conditions can have a source rooted in emotion, not your physiological structure. It wouldn't hurt to look into!
Hope you find your path - you got this!
The Mind Body Prescription by Dr Sarno
Hi there, as a chronic pain sufferer, I would really recommend you the below book. John Sarno has helped a lot of people overcome their pain and might be a solution for you. You have an open mind as the concept might seem little crazy in the beginning. But I think even if it does not help you there is nothing to lose from reading it and giving by his technique a chance.
Hi there, before you go to surgeries, I would suggest you get a very good pain management Dr in and a PT. The Dr can help you manage the pain while you are doing some physical therapy.
In the meanwhile, I would also suggest you get yourself educated about how back pain works. This is an amazing book which helped many people deal with pain without surgeries. I suggest you read it and give it a try. The concept may seam crazy at first but Dr Sarno has been practicing for many years and his work is backed up by a lot of people.
I had covid very bad in the beginning of the pandemic and it took 8 months for me to get my VO2 max back to a reasonable number. It’s still not as high as it was pre covid and it’s been almost two years. That said, I don’t think I really had long covid, since it was just my lungs.
There is a body of research coming out now saying that long covid is not really a thing per se. sort of like fibromyalgia isn’t really a thing, or long term lymes. They are “real” in that you feel the symptoms, but there’s no physical reason for it - it’s a mental/brain/mind-body issue.
I have found the books by Dr Sarno to be super helpful. I like this one: Mind-body Prescription
Anyway, this book has done wonders for my carpal tunnel (went away) and my chronic fatigue (also gone) but as with all things YMMV. It’s cheap and easy to try though! And for me it was an absolute game changer.
Yes, lots. Life changing. That combined with the journaling techniques in this book. Basically, like 2-4 weeks, journal every day for like 15 minutes. Let it all out. Write down what you are currently worrying about, past traumas (dig deep, all the back to childhood), and your traits. Later, say, next day, go back and read and analyze with an analytical mind. This is a powerful meta cognitive technique. After the initial phase, journal often - as often as you feel like is benefiting you.
It’s not woo woo shit or pseudoscience. Lots of pain research seems to be backing this stuff up.
The Mindbody Prescription: Healing the Body, Healing the Pain https://www.amazon.com/dp/0446675156/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_VM90E79C0DB3G6171XN2
You’re welcome. Basically, the below book and the above link are what helped me the most. And journaling as per the book.
The Mindbody Prescription: Healing the Body, Healing the Pain https://www.amazon.com/dp/0446675156/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_NMDRGBR5BE9WHGMCXWY1
No psychiatric disorders, was just shy/anxious as a teenager, but nothing in my adult life. Like I said, the worst pain, my forearms, gave away within a few hours while reading the book. People talk about emotional release (ie being able to cry) relieving a lot of tension that builds up. It was the "wow, this is true" realization and the emotion that comes with it that, in my opinion, allowed the stress to dissipate. I still got some pain from time to time, over the next few weeks. But to my surprise, all chronic pain melted, including my running injuries, which I was NOT expecting. Read the book, if nothing else.
If you truely did those 6 month of religiously stretching for an hour each day and nothing changed maybe your problem isn't physical. I am not pointing fingers but a lot of people claim to do this and they didn't. Only you know that truth BUT
I have bough this book but haven't read it yet. They say that sometimes the pain from an accident lingers because of some connections/neurons pathway created in the brain.
Sometimes the brain causes you to hurt for no "good" reason.
I suffered from PT for 7 months in 2020, tried all sorts of physical therapy, ice dipping, specific massaging, saw several doctors, cortisone shot (that did nothing), the whole shebang. Sounds crazy, but I read this book with an open mind and was pain-free and back to distance running within weeks. Going strong 6 months later, running 30 miles a week in Merrell Vapor Glove barefoot shoes, in the best shape of my life and best of all haven't had any PT issues since. Happy to answer questions if you have any!
Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body-Pain/dp/0446675156
Went from 15 miles a week and constant pain for 15 years to running until I get fucking bored (50-70 mpw) . Now in my 40s.
Have you tried this (or anything similar) for your chronic pain? I know it looks stupid and useless but according to plenty of perfectly sane and skeptical people it can make a profound impact.
Not trying to suggest that your chronic pain is invalid or anything, and personally I haven't read this yet, I just saw it mentioned in a discussion on Hacker News yesterday and I'm kind of intrigued.
I have experience with this, this is the book that explains it and also cured me. I had very severe CTS for 5 years. Completely and permanently cured it in under a month, and am now a professional programmer.
You don't have to be. I had severe CTS for 5 years, then I read this book. Completely and permanently cured in under a month. Went from having to use speech recognition software to now being a professional programmer.
Read this: https://www.amazon.com/Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body-Pain/dp/0446675156
Helped me cure RSI/carpel tunnel five years ago, I have two friends who I've recommended it to and it's helped both of them. It sounds a bit like pseudoscience junk but the author is an NYU medical doctor and it's legit.
Wow, that sounds really intense. I would look into finding a therapist or counselor who does somatic therapy (here's the first article I found about it on Google). It's impossible to know whether it will fix your back issues, but I would guess it could be really helpful for working through your childhood traumas.
Many years ago I recovered completely from repetitive stress injury after reading The Mindbody Prescription by John Sarno and going through some intense self-therapy and journaling. I found the book a bit too Freudian for my taste, but the basic concept of some pain being psychosomatic struck a cord.
Hey, maybe you've seen this but just in case you haven't, I came across this blog: http://anadmiracle.blogspot.com/
It's about somebody using a non-reverse mirror to treat AD after MVD.
I haven't tried this but think there is a slight chance that it might be of help to you.
BTW, after a few days of observation, I think I do have a slight case of AD on my left lower lip and left tongue, in the form of a minor burning sensation. It's not severe and at its worst is about 2-3 out 10 in pain scale. The interesting part however, is I think I can somewhat control it psychologically. This is how I did it:
I studied engineering and computer science and consider myself the logical and emprical type . I believe what I experienced is not voodoo, but a way to override the autonomic nervous system. I found inspiration from the mirror therapy above and this apparently very famous book: https://www.amazon.com/Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body-Pain/dp/0446675156
Hope you find relief soon!
Here's a few catered around mental health. Zoloft has helped as well.
The Mindbody Perscription - https://www.amazon.com/Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body-Pain/dp/0446675156/ref=sr_1_1?crid=MIER7KXYUIN8&dchild=1&keywords=mind+body+perscription+sarno&qid=1606758117&sprefix=mindbody+per%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-1
ACT Workbook - https://www.amazon.com/Get-Your-Mind-Into-Life/dp/1572244259/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=act+workbook&qid=1606758088&sr=8-4
Actually, I read an article about the relationship between chronic pain and stress, which lead me to read books on the subject, which lead me to start meditating, and it snowballed from there.
I was actually not even considering my running injuries when researching chronic pain. It just made sense - I ran, stuff hurt. I stopped running, the pain went away. Simple. But then my forearms started to hurt from typing, and I was facing losing my job, becoming disabled, etc. Took X-Rays, MRIs, Ultrasound, nothing conclusive. After about a year it was so bad, I was using voice recognition software to type. And then I ran accross this guy's article. His experience mirrored mine.
I bought the book he suggested, and then I read other books by the same author, and other books on the topic of stress. Within a couple of weeks my forearms were 99% better, and even though I had never considered my running injuries (plantar fasciitis in both feet, achilles tendonitis in both legs, quad tendonitis in left leg, runner's knee left knee, as well as on and off hamstring pain) as being stress related, all the pain just melted. It was a totally unintended consequence of my relaxation practice, and a huge eye opener for me.
Anyway, I'm 43 now, have taken some bad falls running on ice, had surgery on my foot for a mole, but other than that no chronic pain.
I'll still get the occasional back pain or headache if I get stressed out at work, but it doesn't last more than a few hours. People tend to shake their heads and dismiss any notion that stress can cause physical symptoms, but it's becoming more widely accepted in the medical field.
Some more resources on stress and chronic pain:
Dr. Herbert Benson speaking at Harvard
(check the part where he mentions that 60%-90% of Dr. visits are due to stress)
Dr. Sarno's book on Amazon. It's nothing special, actually he was an average writer, but I owe him a lot for convincing me that pain can have psychological causes. The other doctors who contributed to this book are actually much more eloquent writers.
Look in to Dr Sarno or TMS, he (specifically his books, because he's dead) worked wonders for me. Or use an audible free trial to listen for free if you don't want to spend any money. I read The Mindbody Prescription, but he published a book in the early 90s specifically about back pain called Healing Back Pain. Have a read, all you've got to lose is some time and you have lots to gain.
Also, echoing what another guy said, chiropractors basically sell snake oil.
I bought a few but this was first one I bought, had the most impact from what I remember:
See the reviews, a couple of people in there with RSI who have been cured.
I bought a few but first one was the below:
I've had chronic knee pain for over two years now. Been to three physiotherapists and a sports medicine doc. it's been diagnosed as patellofemoral pain syndrome, iliotibial band syndrome and even a sprain. I've had X-Rays and an MRI that only buttressed these diagnoses, and the treatment was always the same: strengthen the hips.
At this point, I'm convinced that medical professionals don't have a clue what they're talking about when it comes to knee pain and the "successes" that PTs see when treating knee pain are due to natural healing processes rather than anything they do. Plenty of people have structural problems with their hip without pain and there's some evidence to suggest that modern medicine has a "structural" bias when it comes to musculoskeletal pain.
At this point, I'm willing to believe its psychosomatic. It started after a bad breakup and it's worse when I'm depressed and better when I'm not. If I'm enjoying the exercise that I'm doing (ex. playing frisbee with friends instead of forcing myself to go to the gym solo), it doesn't hurt as badly.
I'm reading a book that suggests most chronic pain is psychosomatic. The hypothesis is that the brain deprives parts of the body of oxygen (do you ever feel numbness or tingling around the knees? I do.), creating pain to keep the mind from thinking about "repressed narcissistic rage." I would probably dismiss this as Freudian nonsense except a lot of it tracks for me - and the author points out that modern medicine basically ignores the possibility of a psychological cause for pain, so you have to go back to psychoanalysis to get any working theory of what's going on underneath.
That said, his solution is simply to educate yourself about this process and try to bring your unconscious "rage" to the surface so you can identify it. I've tried doing this, but my knee still hurts, so I don't fuckin' know. Now that the pandemic is over I'm going to limit exercise to team sports and hope for the best.
Anyway, if PT isn't helping after 8 months then it's probably not worth whatever you're paying for it. They don't have a plan to get you better. Minor knee injuries typically heal themselves in about 6 weeks.
Books are written about it
Look into the work of Dr. John Sarno for this.
I hope you're still doing well. I'm a bit older than you; still in my 20's though, and recently have been having some trouble with numbness and tingling along with some pain in my thumb and index. Because of this I've been doing a lot of learning about RSI, and different treatments for it.
The advice given to see an OT or PT in the other comments are good, but different things work for different people.
Something unconventional that I read worked for some folks is reading the mind body prescription: https://www.amazon.com/Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body-Pain/dp/0446675156
Guy's story where it relieved their RSI pain.
If you're still suffering, maybe this will help.
Did she recently start/stop/change birth control? Is she on any other medications? Many medications can seriously affect libido, to the point of making it totally disappear. Blood pressure meds, antidepressants and many others have those effects.
Is she a generally anxious person? A people pleaser? Does she have chronic pain or chronic health issues? I did, and they impacted my libido. This book (https://www.amazon.com/Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body-Pain/dp/0446675156) helped a ton. Feel free to ask me questions, I overcame this issue with the help of my bf and this book, among other things.
Read one of Dr. Sarno's books. See my comment here.
She needs to see a Doctor, however there is unlikely to be anything physically wrong with her.
Watch This and read these 1 2 regarding chronic pain.
Tell her to relax, meditate. Chronic pain is universal in adults over 30, only the severity differs.
I had terrible pain for two years in my wrists and arms. I tried cold compresses, physical therapy (with stretches and weight exercises), a lot of rest, multiple ergonomic keyboards, and ibuprofen (a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug). Nothing seemed to work, I could barely use a computer. In late January, my salvation came, in the form of Dr. John Sarno's book The Mindbody Connection: Healing The Body, Healing The Pain. Sarno explains that chronic pain is often caused by what he calls tension myositis syndrome, a psychosomatic disorder. I won't go in to details here (you can research it yourself), but please, if you have RSI, consider this testimonial. Within days I was writing code again, within weeks the pain was almost entirely gone. The pain does recur occasionally, more and more rarely, but ever since I understood what caused it, it has never been so bad as to interfere with my computer use, and it always fades away quickly.
I'd heard about it on Hacker News months before I finally read the book, but I disregarded it as pseudo-scientific nonsense without even really considering it. Later I saw it mentioned elsewhere, and, in desperation, I checked it out. I'm very glad I did.
Read one of Dr. Sarno's books. I stared having really bad lower back pain in my mid-twenties. I got so bad that I had a hard time getting out of bed in the morning. I went through all of the same rigamarole that you've been going through - chiropractors, massage therapy, acupuncture, etc. Even though I was extremely skeptical, I decided to read Healing Back Pain and found that Sarno had described my situation to a tee within the first twenty pages.
I was back to running and yoga within a few days, and was back in the gym doing dead lifts two weeks later. I've had minor flare ups here and there, but otherwise haven't had any issues since then.
I would strongly recommend reading the book <em>The Mindbody Prescription: Healing the body, healing the pain</em> by John E. Sarno, MD. I suffered from pain in my wrists and arms for two years until I read it in late January. I already noticed a vast improvement after just a few days, and now, about a month after I read the book, I am largely pain free. I do occassionally get a bit of pain and discomfort, but the "bad days" (in quotes because they're still far better than a regular day before I read the book. I can type for hours even on "bad days") are becoming rarer and rarer.
I tried many things—extensive rest, physical therapy, anti-inflammatory drugs, ergonomic keyboards, improving my posture—but none of it helped. I was very skeptical that simply reading a book would cure me (it isn't actually that simple, but close), so I initially dismissed it, but eventually I became so desperate that I gave it a shot. I'm very glad I did.
The idea is that the pain is not caused by a physical problem, instead it is psychosomatic. The pain is real and it is caused by a physical process, but the cause of the process is in the unconscious mind. So before you spend time and money on all the things I and many others have wasted their time and money on, try reading the book and following the treatment outlined in the book. The book is mostly focused on back pain, but it is equally relevant to many other pain disorders. At the very least, do yourself a favor and spend 13 minutes watching this 20/20 segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsR4wydiIBI.
Do not be fooled by your first impression as I was. This is not some new age "alternative" medicine nonsense about star alignment or crystals or anything like that. This is just good medicine.
It's a form of hysteria, and due to stress, like 99% of chronic pain.
Dr. Sarno's Book. One of many
Dr. Clarke's book
Aaron Iba's page
Dr. Herbert Benson speaking at Harvard
Northwestern University Hospital chronic pain department
Another link at Harvard University