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Here's a good entry-level HOTAS that a lot of people like using with Elite. It hovers around $50.
You can use various buttons as modifiers (like shift or control on a keyboard) to get many different keybinds out of the different button combinations available. A quick search on the ED subreddit will give you many keybind options.
Other good HOTAS options that are a step up from that one are the Thrustmaster T16000M, the X52, and X52 Pro. I use an X52 pro and I love it.
So, this here is the HOTAS I use for Elite Dangerous:
By any metric, it is a more complicated machine than what you are selling. It has joysticks, adjustable springs, it has a bunch of programmable buttons, it's awesome. And most importantly, it's only fifty dollars.
Now, the way you've streamlined the input for multiple keys is pretty cool, but anyone with a gaming mouse or keyboard can do the same, albeit without that cool interface.
Now, I'm not hating on your product. It's cool as fuck, and if I saw it on Amazon for 75 dollars I'd snatch it right up, but your pricing is out of control.
There isn't a 'sightseeing' mode, and yes, the game can be complicated.
With that said, you can get a serviceable HOTAS for $50. If you're only using your VR for exploring, the controls are basic enough that you could use touch typing on MKB for it.
From your general idea that you're describing, though, this is probably too in-depth of a game for what you're wanting. I'm sure there's a more 'cinematic' experience out there.
I've been using this for like a year: [link]
It's nothing fancy at all and I want to get a fancier setup, just havn't pulled the trigger cause it still works. I use the paddle like button on back of the throttle for rudders since I don't have pedals yet
Here's a link to one on Amazon: [link]
The throttle separates from the main stick as well, but a cable links both together. So not practical for setting up on a gaming chair, best left on the computer desk. other flightstick are wired separately so with some DIY you can mount them on each arm of your computer/gaming chair. There's also VR to consider for PC.
I'm buying this game today and just have some questions!
Is there any general advice I should know going into things? I tried looking up some guides, but everything seemed pretty old, and there was so much information that it was just a bit overwhelming without having the game in front of me. And is it worth picking up Horizons right away?
I have a HOTAS coming in today to use with it. I also have VR. Will it be possible to play entirely with the HOTAS, or will I need to be using mouse and keyboard as well while I'm in VR? This is the one I ordered:
Yeah looks like it. Definitely a lot more content since I last was here. Exploration looks like its changed a lot but I haven't messed with it yet. As someone who's prized posession was there max jump-range Asp, I'm excited to finally have something to do outside of the bubble.
Combat and general travel seem more or less unchanged though. I was mostly just trying to get the game to work with my HOTAS again while also using VR and it was a fucking mess. Seems like support for this HOTAS as been slightly broken. The lateral lever on the throttle is recogized as being the same axis as the twist axis on the joystick, which really sucks. I used to use the lever for lateral thrust and the twist for yaw. That was essential in landing.
The Thrustmaster HotasX is widely considered the best entry-level controller. It has almost enough buttons, it's quite precise, and moderately comfortable.
Sorry for the question which I'm sure gets asked here probably every day. I could have sworn I saved a post from a few months back that laid this out but I just can't find it.
FINALLY got my Thrustmaster T Flight Hotas X ([link]) and installed Elite Dangerous. I got this game specifically to play with my new VR headset, and have been avoiding playing it until I got the flight stick.
I only made it to the second tutorial mission before realizing I had to bind something (vertical thrust). I remember reading a post about how the stick I bought was a good introductory one, but it was pretty basic and I'd have to use like... an alternate button to get everything mapped properly? So I tried holding down a button and pressed the buttons that horizontal thruster is mapped to at the same time in hopes that would map the vertical thruster in that way... but it didn't work. It gave me the message saying that the horizontal thruster is mapped to that, and asked if I was sure I wanted to change it?
So is there a particular button on this stick that is used to hold down as the "alternate" button? Or am I just doing something wrong?
I've read a lot of reviews and advice saying that I shouldn't just copy someone else's mapping and it's better if I map it myself as I go... but I'm kinda bummed I got stuck already with figuring out how to do the mapping itself.
Thanks for any and all advice!
PS: The button I held down attempting to use in sync as the "alternate" button was button #8, for those that have the stick.
repost since you wont get alert on my comment to the other dude.
"Yes and it's only 54 bucks"
>Unfortunately a lot of HOTAS setups are kind of expensive
Not all of them
Dollar per hour, this stick has cost me 8 cents per hour of gameplay so far...and that's just with elite dangerous.
I actually don't know how it works with touch controllers. I don't know if anyone's tried it. If you've seen flight simulator games with all their controls elite is kind of like that. You don't necessarily need a $500 hotas. A lot of people get by with something more reasonable like this:
But yes, a hotas will make the game much more enjoyable and immersive. Entering a space station for the first time is one of the biggest wow moments you'll get in VR. You'll have plenty of other wow moments throughout the game but it is an incredible time suck. Whenever I decide to jump back in elite it basically sucks 4-6 hours of my day for the next week or so until I stop. I haven't touched it in months because there are many other games I want to play and I know I'll get sucked back in. Nothing beats playing guardians of the galaxy soundtrack as you truck through space trading, bounty hunting or just exploring :)
If you are talking about the Thrustmaster HOTAS-X setup, just be aware that it may look like a HOTAS setup but it really is (when you actually count the buttons and other controls) not functionally any different from buying a entry level stick like Logitech's 3D Pro or even Thrustmaster's T16000M standalone stick. The only thing that it offers is a enlarged throttle that makes it give the impression of a HOTAS without providing any of the benefits of such a setup.
Like I said before. You gotta be careful with the entry level stick market. Make sure you count buttons, hat switches, and even available axis controls when you are looking at this stuff because sometimes things can look good at first glance but offer no real benefit when examined carefully.
Would this work? [link]
Was possibly thinking about this. Tomorrow I'd just run to a local Bestbuy to pick that up. And I still need to buy elite dangerous lmao. I just want to start playing more flight Sims.
The Thrustmaster T-flight hotas is a very good and solid stick. I have tried many and also own the more expensive Saitek X52, and yet prefer the T-flight for civilian flying. The black and red PC/PS3 version can be picked up much cheaper than the PC/PS4 version. A good idea if you don’t plan on using it for PS4 anyway. This thing is rock solid in terms of build, and for me is a very stable general aviation sim stick.
If its military flying then you can’t go wrong with this either, but the X52 is definitely more suited to that and a great stick also.
I have one of these that I used to use for Elite Dangerous for $35 shipped. If you're interested, I can provide a timestamp. I'll just have to find the original box, which I have somewhere...
I'm using the Thrustmaster Hotas X. For $50, it's a good introduction. Even after using it for the past few months, I don't plan to upgrade any time soon. Sure, it doesn't have all of the button options and the coolest things... but it's still a fantastic investment for me.
I started with KB&M and got somewhat good at flying, but when I switched over to a Hotas.... so much better. If you plan on doing flight sims and don't want to spend too much, buy this.
If you're on a budget...Get one of these...problem solved...I've got about 600 hours on mine and never have to touch the keyboard.
I use this:
TFlight Hotas X
Cheap and does the job since last year october. Nothing special about it, a lot of buttons to be mapped. Throttle could be a little more precise.
get it on sale. I'd recommend getting the Horizons expansion too but you could wait until the next sale and you'll have plenty of hours of content. Once you try it in VR, you will want to buy a HOTAS. The Thrustmaster X is only $35, works great. I played with an xbox controller for a while and its definitely better than kb/m.
That really depends on how deep you want to get. I suggest you start with some entry-level hotas and see if you like it. you might end up spending thousands on various accessories and you might be happy with just the entry level stuff.
I personally have Thrustmaster hotas x and I'm satisfied, I plan to buy some headtracker soon.
That's too bad, I'm sorry yours died!
This one is about 3 years old I think, and seems to be fine. It was used heavily before I got it (the Rift and this joystick were given to me by my bro-in-law cuz he's got better stuff), and I'm using it heavily now, so it very well may die pretty soon. It's been good for me so far; at least much much better than using a 360 controller alone.
I'd love to get a fancier setup, and I might do so soon. What do ya think of this one?
I am thinking about snagging that, but I dunno about the button placements. I'm sure I'll get used to it eventually though.
The Thrustmaster T-Flight X.
It's one of the cheapest there is, but functions rather well!
I know this is an old thread, but I don't feel like opening a new one just to ask a question, so I'll ask you: Are $50 bad or are they okay for beginners of the game?
I'm thinking about the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X, because it got good ratings and isn't too expensive.
Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS. Goes for around $50 on Amazon and has enough buttons to properly map almost everything you need. I've been using mine with E: D for two years and it's still going strong.
Edit: Here's a link!
For both regular and space flight sims, I can't recommend a HOTAS enough.
Just about everybody here recommends the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X [non-affiliate link] as the best budget flight stick and throttle out there.
I followed the sub's advice, and it's gotten a heck of a lot of use and feels great in VR for a $50 peripheral.
Well now I found a $50 flight stick with great reviews so maybe I'll grab that. Does IL2 ever go on sale?
Yea I actually learned this game with the Xbox controller when I played on Xbox One. I'm using what's called a HOTAS or Hands on Throttle and Stick. This is a much more immersive way to play as it's actually what your avatar in the game is using as well. Thrust is controlled with the throttle and rotation is controlled with the flight stick. Still a difficult game to learn but if you like space, science, and creating your own stories and experiences it's definitely worth another go. The first HOTAS I owned was a very good entry stick called the Thrustmaster T-Flight X which is about 50 bucks.
I have this one, it's cheap and works great. It's as cheap as it gets with separate throttle and rudder controls. Makes it way more fun IMO, and is less than $20 more than the Logitech Extreme 3D. Worth it.
I have the:
and I love it for Elite. I use the Crab Hotas setup from the forums and it runs great. I cant vouch for the other one, but I have zero issues.
I attached mine via velcro adhesives to a 24" long piece of shelving and it is heavy enough to keep it in my lap and is very stable. Makes it easy to store on my desk and move to my lap with the headset still on.
You really don't have much of a HOTAS option with $60.....
This is about it.
Anything else is either only a joystick or over your budget. Save your money and buy something nice like that T16000M HOTAS. You won't regret it. I had one.
It sounds to me like you need to try out the sims a little bit more and the ports. My recommendation would be to pick up a cheap HOTAS and try Elite Dangerous, or get a cheap steering wheel and try Ansetto Corsa. Also, pig up Doom BFG and try the VR mod.
I have Elite but haven't messed with it since August of last year, i used the Thrustmaster T. Flight and had a blast but it seemed to get old fast playing by myself :(
So after playing ED for a while I decided that I want to buy a Hotas, I've been seeing good reviews for this [link]
But I want to know the opinion from the people of this sub-Reddit so, how was your experience with this product?
Edit: Thank out for replying, I will be considering the more expensive options now.
I know some people swear by it, for me it made the already steep learning curve frustrating. I started with a gamepad and moved up to an x52. I do think HOTAS makes the game 10x better, it substantially increases immersion for me. Here's a commonly recommended budget setup [link]
There are a few games you can use it for in combination with VR if flying is your thing :)
Also check out r/elitedangerous and r/hotas
Hands on throttle and stick. It is just an acronym for this: [link]
I use this with my pc and I keep a folding chair up against the wall (my pc is in my living room for VR). I play seated with a 24" piece of shelving I cut. I velcro'ed the controls to the shelf and it makes it easy to move around heavy enough to be stable.
I had the logitech stick as well, sadly its no where near as good as the thrustmaster, so I highly recommend getting that. You WILL need the M/KB witht the logitech stick, you wont need it with the thrustmaster.
I was really overwhelmed with Elite: Dangerous without the Vive at first and gave up pretty quickly, but when I got the Vive I tried again. It sure looks amazing, but rolling (or whatever it's called) the space ship made me slightly dizzy and it was impossible to find all the (or any) keys. I haven't tried with a 360 controller. Oh, and I find it very hard to read the menus (no super-sampling possible with my machine).
Now with the HOTAS (this one: [link]), it all feels very natural and I don't get dizzy anymore at all. I still have no idea how the game works, but flying the space ship itself is really cool. I don't know if that answers your question, though... :)
If you're going to shell out 40-60 dollars for an Xbox controller, you're better off getting a cheaper HOTAS setup. Try the T-Flight HOTAS X. Amazon Link
I've been using that guy for over a year, it's a great first HOTAS. I'll probably buy a nicer one with tax return this year.
If you're using a VR headset, then DEFINITELY look into getting a HOTAS, will increase immersion 10-fold.
I've heard lots of good things about the Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X, pretty cheap. Can be had from Amazon UK for £30: Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Joystick (PC/PS3) [link]
Secondly, if you're struggling finding what to do in game, try a player faction. The best part of this game is getting involved in a community.
If you're interested, look at our player faction, Knights of Karma. You can join on our website, knightsofkarma.com
I think most people prefer something like a HOTAS like this one. Good price and many seem to like it for its price.
I play pretty much all my FPS games on Xbone rather than my PC. I did get the adapter as it was pretty cheap. It's totally fine to use the Xbone controller for things like just walking around and stuff like that. But it's not usable for really anything else at this point.
If you want something for flight, you should really get a HOTAS. I have the Thrustmaster HOTAS X, which is $39 on Amazon: [link]
This is NOT a great HOTAS. But it's functional and affordable and totally fine to use.
You should also note that the game controllers are completely useless at Star Marine or any other FPS environment. This is due to the fact that the sensitivities on the analog stick are basically broken. It feels like you went into a FPS-game's options, turned the sensitivity to the lowest possible, and then said "nah, this is too sensitive, I'll just hack the game and make it about 50% less sensitive."
I use this for my controls. The stick has a Z axis, so I forgo the pedals. Your 980ti is probably faster than both my 970's so you should run it no problem.
So, recently picked up a HOTAS. What games in VR (other than Elite Dangerous) can I play with it? Maybe even non-VR games, just need some clue so I can actually get some use out of this thing in the future. Thanks.
I see where you are coming from, but it is only really viable if you already have a Steam Controller.
Otherwise you could get a cheap HOTAS setup for $39.
But the Steam Controller may be more versatile than a HOTAS setup.
I use a hotas, so my control scheme is a bit different from just a stick.
the cap you mentioned is the coolie hat, i use that one in its base config for my directional thruster (up down left right). with modifier key 1 i use it for pip management, modifier 2 controls the utility modules (heatsing, chaff, shieldcell)
the L3 key seen there is my targeting button, i think i have again several modifiers for it. on the other side of it is another button which toggles my flight assist. the two firebuttons are just for that, shooting stuff.
R2 and L2 on the thrust-piece are my modifier buttons, 7 is my boost-key which turns into FSD when comined with modifiert 1, and supercruise with 2. 6 is my deploy key, landing gear without modifier, cargo scoop with 1 and weapons with 2. 5 is my "look around" key which enables access to the consoles left and right when combined with the coolie hat. the silver button on the base sets my speed to 75% so that i can fly to a station.
im not even sure what the other buttons do at the moment, think i need to check that later...
overall i can say that modifier keys are a great thing to have (elite supports that on its own, no tools needed)
> I also need to sort out a HOTAS solution for the couch, because I was gobsmacked by the few minutes I spent in Elite Dangerous VR.
I got the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick for this. I haven't put in the time I would like into elite dangerous, but the hotas does work.
Hey CMDRs! for all you mac users out there, does anybody know how this HOTAS works for mac? it says "Plug-n-Play, but nowhere that I can see does it specifically say USB, so I am rather wary....
I just bought Horizons and am planning on getting the best experience as possible now that I'm seriously considering getting into this game.
To do that, I'll probably need a hotas. Is the T.Flight Hotas Stick X still considered a good one for its price? I'd get an X52 but I'm pretty short on money right now, so this one will probably have to do. :x
EDIT: Also, I think I read that there's faction missions now. What's the point in factions and what's the difference between the different ones?
If you're looking for a cheap HOTAS this one is the way to go. It's mostly plastic and doesn't have a ton of buttons, but I've had it for ~2 years and it's never failed me for Elite Dangerous or some Freespace 2!
This is what I use. Although I did start out with just a joystick. I know my buddy likes playing with a mouse but it doesn't feel "right" with anything other than a Hotas or just plain stick set up.
How is this one as a starter to test things out?? HOTAS
And I take it that there will be plenty of youtube videos on how to set up a hotas for star citizen?
I was actually just looking at this and thinking how it is cheap and highly rated. I could use it for other games too. Thanks for the tip!
I'd get a Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X. Great little setup for $50.
The pictures don't show it, but it splits in the center so you can space them wider on your desk.
oh yea, bit of a brainfart. What do you guys think about this? [link]
itd be a better buy over the logitech ?
Also I havent received my 1000 UEC yet from my package, is that normal?
Ignore that the link says PlayStation 3, it's for PC. That's just Amazon's weird link. This is what you need and is incredibly affordable. It was recommended to me, and I'll happily recommend to you, now that I have it.
I agree that if this is a first foray into HOTAS, get the T. Flight HOTAS X
If it isn't a first foray then it depends on how much you want to spend, CH products are great, but most dot like their looks and every piece of kit has some disadvantages so you need to know a bit about what you are looking for.
Check out this entry-level HOTAS:
That's what I used to get started and it worked very well, you just need to take some time keybinding and set up a modifier-button system to unlock more potential keybinds. Look into the Voice Attack software as well.
I just switched to the x52 Pro a few days ago (HOTAS in the OP), and the main functional differences are that the throttle has a little resistance which makes it easier to make small adjustments to your speed, the joystick doesn't squeak like the HOTAS Flight X, and there are more "hats" (little sticks you can move around with your fingers) which are great for some of ship functions in Elite.
Also the x52 stick is modeled after the in-game stick so it really trips you out in VR to grab your flight stick and feel the buttons and have them match up with exactly what you're seeing.
Thanks for the suggestion, I am concerned about the lack of separation of the throttle affecting ergonomics. I am wondering how this compares to the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X [link]
But I wouldn't consider spending $130 for higher quality dropping big money considering how amazing ED is in VR.
im using the thrustmaster x, its cheap and reliable... have to get a little creative to get all the buttons bound, but using the 5-7 buttons on the throttle and a direction on the hat you can get pretty far. Cheap way to see if you like the throttle, a stick and keyboard is pretty close though
At the T16000's price point I'd suggest the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X. The throttle's a bit weird with the detent at 50%, but is otherwise a great stick, and having the separate throttle is loads better than having to keep my left hand at the base of my right.
> Thrustmaster HOTAS X for around $100
You can get that one for at least half the price, like here on Amazon!
I use this. It's cheap, it works, and it doesn't feel like it'll snap using it. I actually really like the thing.
A lot of people say to swap the mouse X axis to yaw a la Freelancer rather than the default roll.
I personally found the default more sensible, given the fact that yaw in this game, unlike Freelancer, is very slow (and thus is relegated to the keyboard), so you end up doing roll-then-pitch to orient the ship except for precision stuff like landing, etc. and therefore it makes more sense to have the primary axes on the main control, but each to their own. Try it both ways and see which you like.
As for stick, the Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X is an excellent unit, especially for the price. I have personally used one for the past 4 months and am satisfied with it.
Well, T-Flights are out of the question for me since I have tested three of them, brand new, and all of them had huge deadzones that made them unusable. (we are talking about this one, right?)
I started playing last March. I have a bit over 200 hours in the game. It is very unstructured and a bit hard for new players to pick up. I never got into trading, but I earned all my credits (approx 300 million) through bounty hunting.
And playing with a mouse+keyboard was a bit difficult, so I bought a HOTAS. Xbox controls are not bad if you want to stick with a controller.
You could wait for a Steam Sale. Also, I thought I heard the price was getting dropped soon.
Some people swear by the x52 saitek, but if you're just interested in trying out a decent hotas for ED, and don't want to drop big cash on it, then you could pick up a [link]
If you're looking to see if you'd like a HOTAS. This is a pretty good starter one:
Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick [link]
Simple, cheap, and has enough buttons if you do combos (i.e. Using a button like the alt or cntrl key).
Obviously if you want to spend more, they're are ones of higher quality and more functionality, but for the price, it's pretty solid.
ED plays just fine with KB&M, though a HOTAS is more fun IMO.
You don't need to spend that much on a HOTAS to start. The Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X is a good unit, but it's only $40, so it's an inexpensive way to find out if you like playing the game with a HOTAS before dropping a lot of money.
It was for £30 yesterday on amazon.co.uk
Thrustmaster T Flight
Bought it and will try it today, it has awesome reviews.
cough 8350 runs the game on 1080p/very high cough only costs like $150 cough
Also, if you're dead set on a HOTAS, this is a very decent starter that's super cheap. [link]
I've been using the Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X for the past year to play Elite Dangerous.
It hasn't got all of the bells and whistles of more expensive models, but that's kinda the point.
Construction is good and I haven't had any problems over the past year.
If you'd want to buy new at a low price point today, it will get the job done.
Mouse and Keyboard yes. I really wanted to play it on a controller because it was more intuitive for me, but mouse and keyboard just perform much better.
HOTAS specifically is a "Hands On Throttle And Stick" set up, where you have a joystick and a throttle. This is a pretty highly recommended budget one and is the one I have ordered:
I know you don't wanna hear it, but the Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X is $38.99
Also XBox360 controller is perfectly viable.
Hope you can get your keyboard issue fixed till then.
well, it's rather fun, you have a throttle and joystick, feels more like you are in a cockpit. (i know a lot of people swearing on the keyboard and mouse) if you really want to try, you could buy the cheap hotas X one, by whoever made it, and if you dont like it, am sure many here on ED reddit wants one(inluding me, i got the muhc more expensive saitek X52, so if i visit parents and take my laptop and want to play elite i dont want to take X52 with me, need to get a hotas X >_>)
T flight hotas X [link]
It would have to be local (in Austin) and priced against Amazon's $33. I don't want you to feel like I'm lowballing you, due to Amazon's sale. $25-35ish?
You should definitely use a joystick. I just bought the Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS: [link]
For $34, you can't beat that - and you get the throttle and 9 programmable buttons, plus the hat and the toggle on the throttle. It works great in-game since you can program it with the options in the game. I'm very happy with it.
Next options are in the $150-$400 range, so there's that...
If you're short on the cash, this is one of the best for the price [link]. I use it and i'm only about 2 buttons short
consider getting this one if money is tight, cheap and very good.
I'm not going to argue with that. I got the x55 for about 200. So, it's a little pricey but not unexpectedly so. Most of the cheap throttles are paired with a cheap Joystick. Like the Thrustmaster T-Flight. When you start looking at individually sold throttles they go way up in price because it's a niche market.
If you really just want something cheap, I would suggest buying a cheap combo and ditching the joystick.
This one is probably the best you're going to get for sub $100. Every button map you find for this setup for Elite Dangerous is going to have at least one or two 'shift' button modifying triggers. So thruster up/down becomes landing gear/cargo scoop in the map I linked above. The truth of the matter is that it just doesn't have enough buttons for Elite Dangerous if you're trying to get a lot of dedicated triggers, buttons, toggles for everything.
That's not to say you don't get used to it. I enjoy using this and it feels sturdy, fits my desk and while I can afford a nicer HOTAS like the X52 or the X55, I didn't really feel like dropping the coin on it. I got it on Amazon for really cheap and I don't have any complaints for it yet.
When you save the comment it should pop up in your reddit.com/saved on whatever account you're logged in on. You could always just bookmark the links. I've been doing that in a separate folder for a lot of useful Elite Dangerous links I find on the sub.
May want to check this out...good beginners HOTAS.Works really well with Elite.
No need for Lotto
Seriously, those are cheaper than the game. No need to save too long to get them.
How would One of these fare? Thrustmaster is one of if not the best makers of joysticks. Ten dollars more than a 3D pro, and comes with a detachable throttle setup.
Any recommendations for a cheap/good value for money HOTAS joystick?
This is the top search result, it's advertised for Windows and PS3, is it just the best/go-to/most popular option?
I think it sucks with a gamepad. There's a good deal on a Thrustmaster HOTAS on amazon right now.
Yes, but get yourself one of these to go with it. Good sale on a HOTAS.
It may not be popular but I just bought a Thrustmaster T-Flight X HOTAS just for ED and it is GREAT! I know it's entry level but it's solid and has a great feel to it:
It's also just $39.99 for amazon prime members.
I use a $40 joystick/throttle with joystick twist for rudder: [link]
I hand fly patterns and visual approaches, almost all else is autopilot if I'm not trying to get yelled at by the controllers. I have elevator trim mapped on the joystick and almost exclusively fly with the trim when hand flying or else I'm all over the place.
The way I see it the sim is there to teach procedures and ATC work, so I don't care about flying the airplane. And as a new instrument pilot, flying IFR in socal keeps me more than busy enough without even touching the controls.
I literally broke out into a sweat flying a Lear into LAX via an unfamiliar arrival/approach last night on full autopilot.
I would suggest the [link] tiny bit more expensive, but well worth it, its a high quality hotas for the price and can cover your basic needs. Its one of the most highly rated hotas's for the price and has loads better quality than any madcatz stuff
Το Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X
Πιστεύω είναι καλό entry level. Με βόλεψε.
You are comparing a $400 Warthog HOTAS to a $50 joystick only. This is beyond apples & oranges. :)
I don't think the Warthog has twist-to-yaw which is super helpful. If you had the Warthog you may find you wanted to add pedals for yaw.
IMHO the best bang for the buck is this Thrustmaster, which DOES have stick and throttle, for $50.
Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X ( 50$ )
I started with this before moving to a full CH Setup ( 500$ )
Its a great cheap joystick, with everything you would need to start.
If you don't want to spend money for more immersion and easier FA OFF, mouse controls are totally fine too :).
I use the mouse left/right as yaw instead of roll, and set roll to a and d.
so much hate for HOTAS's in this thread.
Here's a good cheap one. I don't recommend buying it because if I recommend buying it my comment will be slammed to the bottom.
I've been using the T-Flight HOTAS X, more or less entirely because I had one lying around for some reason.
It's definitley not a "nice" controller but doesn't feel too cheap- the throttle 'clicks' in the middle and it seems sturdy enough. I've been using it for about three years and it isn't any worse for wear. If Star Citizen becomes worth playing when it's released I might upgrade to the Saitek X-52 (my main complaint with the T-Flight is not enough buttons), but it's too much money at the moment and this does the job.
I hear you. I got this one for about $60 with shipping. Still use the keyboard for some functions, which fits nicely in between the throttle and stick.
The Logitech 3D pro I hear is really good as well, and about $30, and some run a two stick setup instead of a throttle. For around $200, I've heard the Saitek X52(also the pro) are amazing, but this was my first buy and was a much better entry level price, for my budget.
I recommend the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X for a cheap, good quality flight stick. I got mine for $40 on newegg.com It looks like it got more expensive there, but it's still $60 on Amazon.
Flight Simulator X is a good starting point, and you can branch out as you decide what you like in a simulator.
As for hardware and peripherals, absolutely get yourself a HOTAS. The price has been coming back down on the Thrustmaster T-Flight, which is a fantastic setup for the money. If you don't want a setup with a throttle, at least get yourself a good joystick. Depending on how you want to sim, you may make the switch to a yoke, pedals, etc.
Hands on throttle and stick. Here's an inexpensive one
Sure I would love to help a fellow CMDR out.
Yes, the game can be quite daunting, it's quite technical to get the hang of 6 Degrees of Freedom (6DOF) of movement. The game now has an updated tutorial that has come a long way in helping new players get to grips with the basics.
There are "training scenarios" like Docking, that help you practice risk free.
Do you need a HOTAS? Well, no, but it definitely helps a lot. You can get by on a cheap one, like the T-Flight [link] but you might find that it doesn't have enough buttons. But you can survive on a KB/M or even a controller. Some of the best PVP Pilots use only KB/M for the incredible accuracy.
But if you're going to play in VR more than Pancake mode, I highly recommend a decent HOTAS like the X52 (in game stick is modelled after it). You're just going to have too many bindings to worry about working that KB/M or controller. Not saying you can't, just that a HOTAS with many buttons will be easier to get used to. You can also "Shift-Bind" extra commands in ED, so button combo presses can have different bindings. Like "J" is SuperCruise / Warp Toggle, and "Shift-J" is SuperCruise only. etc.
VoiceAttack brings this game to a whole new level thanks to HCS Voice Packs [link]
Eli is a right Hoot, but I prefer Verity, voiced by Verity Croft, same person who did the voice for the ED Ships. It's like having an AI Co-Pilot with you, you can issue commands that execute macros for Docking, deploying hardpoints and setting power for a fight, etc. So cool.
If you want to forgo the HOTAS for the time being, another CMDR has just launched a beta for full Vive Motion control of ED ships. Check this out - [link]
Video here - [link]
You should also join the community r/EliteDangerous where there are thousands of CMDRs happy to assist in any questions you may have, and no question is a stupid one, we all had to learn the hard way and the lack of hand holding in Elite has led to the Community picking up the slack in an amazing way.
With VR, nothing can really beat HOTAS. You can make it work okay with keyboard+mouse/keyboard+joystick, but the investment is well worth it. The T-Flight Hotas X is only about 50 bucks or less and pretty damn good for that price.
I posted a rundown of popular hotas choices somewhere, let me see if I can find it.
Edit: here you go.
The cheap end would be the T-Flight Hotas X ($50).
On the cheaper mid range side, either the Saitek x52 ($140), or the Saitek x52 Pro ($180)
On the more pricey side of the mid range I can suggest the Saitek x55/x56 ($250)
Top of the Line would be the Thrustmaster Warthog ($400)
The one I looked is even cheaper
this is what you want then.
Amazing value for money, amazing joystick!
Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X
if you want a pretty cheap hotas i'd give this a try:https://www.amazon.de/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-System-PS3/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1547126333&sr=8-3&keywords=hotas
Me and 2 other friends have it and it works very nicely.A tipp from me would be to use the "7" key on this pic:https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71LevIilwIL._SL1500_.jpg
as a combination button with other buttons - because you need a LOT of buttons in this game
but you can set a combination of buttons for one funktion.. i hope that makes sense.
Btw. you can't see it in this picture but the throttle and the stick are 2 seperate pieces connected with a wire.
Edit: All 3 of us use this in VR btw.
can anyone tell me the difference between the one here and these?
I'm thinking to pick up elite dangerous for oculus and using one of these.
Look at a cheaper Joystick on amazon. I got the Thrustmaster HOTAS, and it changed the game for me.
Yeah! It's the Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X. Here is the Amazon page.
Edit: correct link syntax
I use the version without throttle and I prefer it over my saitek x52 pro.
I have the Logitech Extreme 3D pro, which I picked up for a bargain at 30 dollars. Its definitely not the most complex flight stick out there and a bit dated, but it does exactly what it says on the box, hasn't had any issues in 4 years and is more than enough for flight sims like FSX and X-Plane.
As for its alternatives, I've heard great things about the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X
I use this, it's pretty amazing for it's low price.
Question about flight sticks.
I am not sure where this should go. I have been getting back into Elite dangerous, And I have been using my Vive and I learned quickly. That my old stick might not be cutting it. I currently have a Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick , I am thinking about upgrading to a Thrustmaster T.16000M Would it make a differnce and worth the upgrade? Thank you.
Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick
I'd recommend the second one, since the joystick sensor is much better, and you have more buttons. But the first one gets good reviews too, so it's not a bad choice. I have the second one and I'm very happy with it.
I have this one and i must say that i am satisfied
Would a thrustmaster like this be better? [link]
For VR, you'll want a HOTAS unless you're a good touch typist. Otherwise you'll have a hard time finding your keys.
As /u/Hrodrik mentioned, the Thrustmaster HOTAS X is only $45 on Amazon (which is a rounding error against what you've spent on the Vive) and is a perfectly servicable unit.
If you're willing to spend more, the Thrustmaster T16000M FCS is a much nicer unit with smoother, more precise action and many more controls. This is what I personally use.
I use this:
And I have it attached (with velcro) to a peice of shelving. Works great on the couch and in VR.
I see this Thrustmaster recommended a lot.
Seconding Elite: Dangerous. One of the best VR games available and a true "space sim". Pick up a <strong>$50 HOTAS</strong> and you're set. Full arcade experience in your home, available at any time.
For something actually more arcadey with FPS ship/station combat, check out From Other Suns. Runs pretty shitty on Revive to be honest, but the game is fun as hell. Pretty simple game, jump to new star, find either pirates, traders, nothing or some random event, blow them up or teleport onto their ship and blow them up from the inside. Great fun, and designed as a rogue-lite with perma-death and procedurally generated loot.
What's your opinion on the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Joystick, for a beginner?
What about this?
Pick this up cheap and get a feel for a HOTAS before you dump a lot of cash into it.
Yes but you'll want to customize your settings to compensate for less buttons, you can bind dual presses (LB+Y for landing gear, LB+B for ship lights, etc). Whatever is most comfortable to you, personally I prefer thumbsticks for flying. Some would argue mouse is more accurate.
The game is greatly enhanced with a voice command program, check out Voice Attack or the cheaper more basic Voicebot. Goes great with a HOTAS.
IIRC the game usually goes on sale during the seasonal steam sales, 33% I believe.
Cheap Hotas all the way.
I use this and it works great.
I use this binding and you can find the files here
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I'd recommend getting a HOTAS...it takes a while to set up, but really helps with immersion. I use this stick with the following bindings. As for general tips, youtube is your friend, but this is a fairly good thread after you've been playing for a bit and have the basics down.
FWIW, I play with this: Thrustmaster Hotas X
It's $50 on Amazon, with prime. It's perfectly fabulous for Elite. Cheers!
And I got the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X used on eBay for 20€. Not a huge investment and gets the job done. :)
This is the HOTAS I'm using. Works great and doesn't break the bank!
i almost forgot, if you have a vr headset, download voice command, so you can disable the menus poppin up automatically in your ship when you look to the left, right, up and down. you can just say "systems" and then the menu pops up all badass like.
download openvr desktop, so you can watch videos in your space ship while on long treks across the galaxy
and if you like the game, go buy this HOTAS and a roll of gorilla tape.
it made all the difference in the world to me personally and im much better at combat and flying in general with a HOTAS than without it.
This is an amazing entry level flight stick. very cheap and very good. [link]
I for one don't use the mouse to control my ship. If you have one, use an xbox one controller. But I prefer to use a joystick and throttle. I find that using a joystick makes the game much better. If you are on a budget I found that this works great. If you have the money to spare then this is an amazing HOTAS. Now you can also buy the stick and throttle separately on that second one if you would like. Just some options for you. Good luck.
I could consider it definitely worth it. Thrustmaster's entry level HOTAS (the HOTAS X) is very inexpensive at only $50 USD and it is quite functional. If you're willing to spend more, the Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS is even nicer, having smoother, more precise movement and many more controls. I personally upgraded to this one after using the HOTAS X for about a year.
Don't have any advice for you here. I just use a single 24" screen for play with a second one for other stuff.
My trade guide should help you on getting starting capital to pursue whatever playstyle you want to.
Here ya go: [link]
Old post, I know, but I've been using this HOTAS for Elite: Dangerous and have found it satisfactory:
T. Flight Hotas X
I'm buying these ones, they're cheap too. Just in case I won't use/like them
Like others mentioned, we play DCS - Digital Combat Simulator. It's a realistic simulator for military aircrafts. Learn more on YouTube.
You need a joystick (HOTAS) to get started properly. For best realism and seamless fun, you need TM Warthog HOTAS. But you can get started with a cheap one like T-Flight or T.16000M FCS. I think Logitech 3D Pro and TM T-16000M are out of stock.
Other realism enhancers are Track IR and Rudder pedals.
Download the free game and you get 2 aircrafts TF-51D and an Su-25T. They are pretty basic and you will understand what the game offers. If you like it, you can buy a fully modeled jet like A-10C or MiG-21bis or Mirage M-2000C.
> Warning: if you try to fly with a keyboard, you will quit playing the game :-/
also I didn't see one so I recommend this 50$ throttle and joystick if you ever feel like playing a game with a cockpit viewpoint and a little extra immersion. Elite dangerous, star citizen, vector 36, mech warrior 4 is an old classic favorite of mine that I run in bigscreen, soon, with the future planned updates i'll be able to create virtual screens with higher resolutions than my monitor meaning I can wrap it around myself to get the side window views.
Here is a list of all games that have HOTAS tagged in steam.
I used this HOTAS for the first 1700 hours I played ED, and it worked fine for me. Still works great, but I upgraded to this HOTAS recently, which is even better.
That one. I am a fan of highly reviewed things...
The thrustmaster hotas tflight x is a much better and worked really well for me. [link]
Get the Thrustmaster Hotas and velcro it to a peice of shelving. Works amazing. My Vive is now officially just for ED, hevent played anything else on it in weeks.
Google the ED hotas crab setup and off you go!
EDIT: [link] example setup of mine
Been hopping back in and streaming it again. Feels really good. ED community is really nice to new comers to and want to help. Forums and the sub reddit are solid places to go if you need more info. Theres also some great tutorial videos made by ED that help wrap your head around some of the bigger concepts of the game.
Its more a space Sim game than anything so be ready to learn how to land properly, launch properly, request docking permission, warp, navigate, shoot. Im still learning but feel free to stop by when i am streaming it again tonight or this weakend and ask any questions.
I would also love to wing with you, its pretty easy to meat up in this game and playing with friends makes it so much better!
Also a budget HOTAS setup that works PERFECTLY with the Vive and ED [link]
ThrustMaster T-Flight Hotas X is less than $40.
$4 more expensive at the moment, but it also includes a throttle and most people seem to recommend it for beginners.
I play on a full HOTAS setup, including the chair. Just getting a HOTAS changes the game completely, it's so much more responsive with a joystick and throttle.
You can get a HOTAS for only $40 so it's not thunderingly expensive. But if you want the HOTAS that they literally use in the ship cockpits, it'll cost you about $200.
I would think that would be a nightmare. You're going to want a stick. The T-Flight HOTAS is fairly inexpensive and works pretty well. The only thing that really annoyed me with it was that it had a catch in the center of the throttle. If you have any mechanical skills, and maybe a dremel, that's fairly easy to remove.
Probably the least expensive stick I'd go for would be this one.
But if you're serious about enjoying the flying the T-16000M is well worth the $102.
I bought the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick when I first pledged for this game back in 2013, and then realized it was a long way from being flyable
I kind of forgot about it and used M+KB since the game became playable, but recently I remembered I owned it and have been playing with it almost exclusively for the last few days. I'm no expert with one so this is my first impressions
Its surprisingly not too bad for such a cheap stick, and after a lot of practice I'm not -that- much worse than when using a M+KB. I've nearly got my Old Vanduul lap times down to what they were before, and my dog fighting is about as good as normal. And besides the obvious performance differences, it sure is fun to fly with
I do plan to eventually buy a better one (this is what I'm leaning towards when its in stock), but for now its surprisingly good for how cheap it is, and I would actually recommend it to someone who is really on a budget. It does take time to configure though, I recommend this layout and this curve based on my limited testing and what felt natural to me. Without the proper curve its nearly unplayable. I think the only big difference in control layouts is I swapped the afterburner for IFCS buttons, because with racing I needed it available easily
I also use Voice Attack which I have mapped to a whole bunch of commands. I can show you what I have so far if you are interested but its on my home computer
Il set è questo [link]
Comprato a dicembre 2014.
You can get a good HOTAS for $50. [link]
I have that one and it works great with Elite.
Thrustmaster T-flight is the entry level one:
If you're able to squeeze and extra £100 or so there are things like this [link] - Which has a brilliant cpu and a GTX 1060 3GB. This would play elite on high at the very least. For a HOTAS entry level I would say [link] is a good one to start with.
And yeah im pretty sure that's a possibility man, just get in touch with their support team :)
hope that helps
EDIT: I have an i5 4590 and a GTX 960 2GB and I can play in high so probably Ultra for this one ^
This was all I could find: [link]
here is a good start for custom key maps except change throttle incitements to X10. This is what I started with and have made changes since, but it is a good start. If you get into the game my buddy has this flight stick and I used it and liked it. I plan on getting it for the game soon. It's a cheaper flight stick and seems to do the trick for this game. Try to appreciate the sound track too. I love turning the lights off and and putting my headphones on flying around in this game.
Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick
If I could, would you recommend this HOTAS for a my-first-HOTAS/do-i-like-using-a-hotas scenario? Or are there better HOTAS's in simmilar price ranges?
[link] This is the best starter hotas you can get as far as I know.
thank me later, an ease in to more immersive gaming.
There's only really one option for under 100.
Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick: $49.99
If you go above that theres
Saitek PS28 X52 Flight Control System: $129.99
Saitek X52 Pro Flight System Controller: $160.63
I hear the $50 one is fine, but the in game model is based off of the x52 and that's what I'd get.
also these for mounting to a chair
Invest in a joystick. This is what I got:
It is very sensitive (In a bad way) but it really gives you a good feeling with the throttle as well.
I've heard much better things about this one though:
You should shop around for both of them, you can get them cheaper than Amazon. Playing VR with a joystick is really a necessity... It just feels so real and immersive.
Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X is good cheap option.
That joystick has been out for a while now, it's now got blue accents instead of silver to retrofit the "PS4" vibe but it's been available for PC and PS3 for quite sometime (years).
I prefer mine though, it has much better feel in the hand and not as bulky.
My stick: [link]
These sticks work great in other games too flight sims, Battlefield Series, Arma 3 etc...
I'm going to go with the Hotus X I think... I like the idea of a full throttle stick!
Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Joystick (PC/PS3) [link]
>I don't have a HOTAS (and I don't have the money to buy one)
You have a $600+ headset, a $300+ video card, and can't get a $50 HOTAS? I mean, I get it if after getting equipped for VR you can't justify the expense, but you're also kind of here asking for advice on where to throw money...
>it seems very difficult to learn
The most difficult part is getting your keybinds set up, imo. The game has a LOT of complicated aspects to it, but if
> All I want to do is explore space and relax.
Then you don't need as much as you think. The folks at the Elite Explorers subreddit are sure to help you figure out how to go out into the unknown reaches and start having fun.
Please for your own sake get a HOTAS. If you have vr and you are playing any flight sim without HOTAS please stop what you are doing and buy this now. You may even want to invest more money, but this is one of the better cheap HOTAS. Right now you are missing out on one of the single easiest ways to achieve a really amazing sense of presence in VR. For a lot of people the most compelling experiences in VR right now are Elite Dangerous, DCS, and or Warthunder. By getting a HOTAS you can see the true potential of these games and actually get a pretty cool experience of flying. You might even want to get the pedals. As far as being l33t in war-thunder most people play in 3rd person with the mouse and it's much easier, and can be a great way to learn some basics about flight and gaining position on people as well as grind some war-thunder currency. Despite the aim bot that is mouse aim in warthunder, at the lower level so much of the game is about positioning and using your aircraft's strengths that although being in VR is a handicap as long as you play smart, the enjoyment you will get out of it will be well worth it.
Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick easy choice: [link]
The Thrustmaster HOTAS X is a nice beginner stick. It is what I have used over the last year:
I have this one it's probably the most popular b/c price. It works just fine for me, any of the better options will run you at least $150 or so
It's the most immersive, fun way to play for sure. I'd recommend this:
It's seriously cheap for what it is.
Or if you want HOTAS, then:
You'll love either one, and will probably want to trade up after a while :p
When you do, the X56 will probably be the best mid range choice.
I was experimenting with this for a while. The joystick isn't that great but the two parts detach from each other so you can use the throttle by itself. And it's pretty cheap too. :)
Is this an acceptable controller?
Depending on your price range, the T-Flight is the choice de jure, plenty of people swear by it. Arguably Elite's best Ace - Isinona - flies with one.
Entry: T-Flight HOTAS X
High End: CH Products Pro Throttle + Fighterstick.
I've got the CH Products combo here, I had upgraded from a bog standard USB joystick back in 2014 to it, but I'm a crazy old Spacesim nut from back in the TIE Fighter / Freespace days. So I knew I'd racking up hundreds of hours in Elite.
Who cares when a good hotas is only about 50 bucks? (thrustmaster hotas-x)
> X52 pro
That's almost 5x as expensive as the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick... is it worth it? 5x?
Hands On Throttle And Stick. A flight stick, like the pilot uses in game.
Dirt cheap, works awesome. Highly recommended.
cheap in uk too
'Hands On Throttle-And-Stick'. I've got one of these.
THRUSTMASTER T.Flight Hotas X Joystick
Link was in the other part
THRUSTMASTER 2960720 Hotas Warthog Joystick
the nice one that costs more than I can justify on a flight stick I am not making money using.
I think I got rid of any referral codes on those link if not just look up the names.
This thing did it for me. Got it for $33 bucks and holy crap it's been a joy... stick.
It looks like the price is going up again.
A bunch of people have been recommending this. I just received mine the other day, but have yet to test it out.
So first of all, there's an in-game menu for FlyInside that isn't visible in the video. I didn't know that, so I look like a crazy person cause I reference it sometimes in the video lol. FlyInside does have a mirror render that it'd probably show up in, but I would've lost performance for the video capture if I did. Also, this is the HOTAS I'm using.
If you need some recommendations I'd suggest This one for a cheaper option. But for my own personal use I prefer the X55
So I'm pretty sure I've got all I need to be ready for my CV1, can anybody think of anything else to get before my precious arrives?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Should I get another 8 gigs of ram, does VR need more ram than what normal pc games use?
I got the R9 390 thinking it will work well with anything that comes out initially, and when it starts lagging behind, maybe Crossfire will be commonplace with new games (would be cool if the 1 gpu per eye would happen) and if not could sell for a loss and pick up the latest greatest.
Logitech G29 Wheel I got basically brand new off craigslist for $200, YAY!
Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X For deh flying in mah cockpit.
I'm excited and check this sub way too much, the wait is killing me.
Do you mean this one?
My average sessions is spent flying in space doing whatever I feel like that day. I especially love smuggling (very profitable and dangerous), bounty hunting and just exploring. I use a H.O.T.A.S. as a controller (but KB/M or game controller work too), plus a head-tracker. It is amazingly immersive.
There is no story line and you will never see any people. Only other ships and space stations.
You spend all your time in the cockpit of a spaceship (except with the Horizons expansion, which lets
you use a planetary SRV's, as well), first person perspective. You start out in a "bubble" of inhabited
space that includes about 10,000 space stations. From there, you can travel anywhere in the Milky Way galaxy.
Space is huge.
You can choose activities like exploration, bounty hunting, trade, mining, combat or smuggling. You can select missions
which are available on bulletin boards at all space stations, join in community goals which change weekly,
or do whatever you want to do on your own. Also you can play in Close Quarters Combat (CQC) which is an arcade-style PVP arena,
seperate from the main game, but included in the price.
You can play alone against NPCs in "Solo", with other players and NPCs in "Open" or join a private group. The game is limited to
32 players in one instance, and even that is rare. You will mostly be alone or with NPCs, except in popular star systems, unless
you join in a community goal or wing up with friends. Space is huge.
The most common complaint about Elite is that it is wide as an ocean and shallow as a puddle. This is true if you are expecting COD
or Skyrim in space. It is a sandbox with toy spaceships, and the player must add the adventure. Here are a couple of players that do
a good job of that: Isinona roleplays really well. ObsidianAnt is good at showing the beauty of exploration.
/EliteDangerous can be helpful in learning about the game, as well as lots of Youtube videos.
I hope that helps.
A Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X? They are on amazon for $33...[link]
I've heard this one is great!
Hands on Throttle and Stick...This is the most affordable one, the others run over $100. I got one when I also got the game at $15 on steam, so $50 for both game and hotas...well worth it imho...
and if you get one, I recommend using Cmdr Crabs setups: [link]
Currently 40 bucks.
DONT GET A FLY 5. Get the T-Flight HOTAS X. It's cheaper and way easier to use. The little side throttle just doesn't work the same way that a real hotas works.
If you're looking for more button input, and you have a mic, get voice attack and ASTRA.
I currently am on my second FLY 5 and it suffers from yaw drift failures on a consistent basis. They usually last about 4 months. The T-Flight HOTAS may be cheaper, but it has more usable functionality than the FLY 5. Secondly, combat boosting with FA off are far easier with the T-Flight HOTAS, since the throttle has a center lock for forward AND reverse thrusting on the same axis. Subsystem sniping is also easier since the yaw paddles can be configured to cycle between them easily.
Voice commands allow you to easily deploy chaff or heatsinks, do evasive maneuvers quickly, or bind controls to voice commands for keyboardless immersion. And all this can easily be done for the price of a FLY 5.
DONT GET IT.
what about this setup? [link]
people have cited that it works well for SC, but should i spend more on something like the X52 or X55?
Probably. I have a Logitech wingman extreme that works fine. It's not an awesome joystick. I guess I'm married to the joystick/keyboard setup out of habit. But I shouldn't have discouraged someone from using an xbox controller either.
Some people are super into their setups. It's kind of an additional part of the game... joystick, throttle, rudder pedals. It can get expensive real quick.
My setup is joystick/keyboard and TrackIR which lets you use head movements to move the camera. It's great for the game and adds another layer of immersion. There's a way to do it with free software and a webcam that people really seem to like.
I was looking into getting a joystick/throttle setup early this year. I was heading in the CH Products direction. But i think a lot of people are happy with the pretty inexpensive introductory Thrustmaster. Check out r/HOTUS if you're interested.
Still $40 w/ free shipping for anyone in the US. Please let me know if you find a better deal anywhere.
Cheapest option: T Flight HOTAS X ($40-50)
Popular HOTAS that the in-game cockpit controls are modeled on: Saitek X-52 (~$140)
Personally, I use dual sticks, which cost me about $80. T-16000m + Extreme 3d Pro
Would this be all right, perchance?
The excellent starter T Flight HOTAS X for $34: [link]
I use this [link]
If you want a better one you will have to spend around £100
Great starter Hotas
To expand on ArchieGriffs' comment; I was going to recommend Elite Dangerous, granted that's space flying, but still flying.
Can start with a cheap HOTAS, like the Thrustmaster T-Flight. I have one of these and really like it: [link]
And if he manages to get into it, there are more elaborate ones such as the Thrustmaster Warthog talked about here: [link]
It's a bit cheaper than was mentioned on amazon: [link]
Granted, we're now waaaay off the topic of fallout, but hey. Divergent discussion is still discussion! XD
Got T-flight HOTAS X and this shit is awesome. I don't think I'd even be enjoying this game without it.
I'm using Crab's bindings and they're awesome.
Pay the $8 more, get the Thrustmaster TFlight HOTAS X
It's actually only $40 right now too
For an extra 10-20 bucks you can get a HOTAS (the throttle detaches from the joystick)
Would that work?
If not, could you recommend one?
Top Gun Thrustmaster
Yeah buy a HOTAS, you are better off with it.
You can and people do play with keyboard and mouse but I wouldn't advise it. You can try out KB+M in the singleplayer demo and look if it works, but the game truly shines with a good HOTAS.
For starters I advise:
If budget isn't a problem a lot of people recommend:
While I like what you did and thanks a lot but I got this HOTAS and I don't see any key maps for that one.
Its 36 pounds in the UK amazon, not sure if thats a good deal for you or not: [link]
I use this, same price, and has a serepate throttle
Personally, I use a Thrustmaster T-flight Hotas X for my simming. For the price, it feels solidly built, the movement is good (though it can feel a tad jerky when making tiny, tiny movements, This can be reduced by dropping the tension on the stick), the throttle is built well too.
Plenty of buttons and the stick can have the tension adjusted with a dial underneath. Had it for about 4 months now and not had any problems. Even got it working as a H-shifter for Euro Truck Sim 2 with the aid of Xpadder. Be warned though, there is a catch in the middle of the throttle, so that can be a little annoying - is great for Elite Dangerous though, where 1/2 throttle on the stick = 0 in-game; <50% is reverse and >50% is forwards.
I can see how the catch would be annoying for some, and it does give me some frustration at times, though I've come to work with it and I can safely say I have as much precision on the throttle as one without a catch.
As for the stick getting more tense at the edges, it's not really a problem unless you're flying fighter aircraft and need full roll/pitch, but in that case I'd imagine you'd be moving the stick quickly and forcefully which would negate the extra tension significantly. For flying most aircraft in FSX, I doubt you'd need more than 80% - at least, I don't when I'm flying a Spitfire/Cessna 182/Commanche 250.
Can't say much for the Logitech one, frankly, as I've not used it. The throttle (at least, I assume that's what that black strip is below the stick) could be tricky to get fine movements out of.
TL;DR: Both are good sticks. I can personally vouch for the Hotas X being a quality product if you can overlook the flaws (and at the price range, you can expect there to be flaws). Other people in the thread are more knowledgeable about the Logi stick, ask them questions on it.
If you are trying toto buy one for under $100, I'd reccomend the Thrustmaster T-Flight (About $52, it separates into two parts connected by a cable).
Otherwise, If you're willing to spend around $150, you can go with either the Saitek X-52 or the Saitek X-55
There are obviously other individual joystick and throttles you can get, but for an affordable single purchase HOTAS these are what I'd recommend. I personally have the X-55 and love it
one of these:
Agreed. I wouldn't want to play any flight game without a yaw control.
If you can manage $50 though, I would recommend this [link]
I live in the US(It's $100.10 at that amazon link)
> There aren't any HOTAS set ups that run less than 100 dollars
Yes there are... The T-Flight HOTAS X: [link]
Usually priced around the $50-$60 range US.
Just so we're clear THIS is the hotas you're referring to?
I was hesitant about spending a lot of money on a HOTAS set up when I first got ED a few months back, ended up going with this guy, picked one up from a guy on kijiji for $30 still in the box, personally love the thing for the price
I am interested in this. ED is my first flight sim of any kind. Also any chance you could help me with setting up my controls ? I have a flight stick and throttle, but when I go into my settings to set up key-binds it is very overwhelming and I am not sure what is good to have quick access to and what can stay on my keyboard.
Here is my controller.
Pick up one of these to see if you like using a HOTAS first.
If you decide you like it, you can look into something a little beefier. If not, you didn't buy a $300 stick you're never going to use.
Actually, I did find a $50 stick that has favourable reviews. Problem is, well one it only has 12 buttons. Is that enough? Secondly, I mean, I've already spent $75 on the game (40£ = 75$CAD), is it really worth it?
>You certainly dont need hotas to enjoy this game.
While I agree, if you have the cash, even for a cheapish HOTAS (like the Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X) it goes a long way toward making whatever ship your in feel like you're in it.
This is a third of the price and will arrive on my doorstep tomorrow. Hopefully it'll be decent quality. [link]
[link] . T -HOTAS - 39.99£ using it for last 2years ( war thunder, elite ) best value for money.
Here you go:
I own it and A LOT of other ED pilots use it.
On Amazon for 50 bucks and in stock.
GTX 770 2GB
I get around 40-50 fps at HIGH settings (it's the second highest),
but it looks really smooth, unlike most games.
I don't know much about joysticks, but this one looks nice:
The definition of a good stick will depend largely on what you plan to do with it. In the case of stuff like IL-2 BoS or Rise of flight, you can easily get away with a basic stick like the Logitech 3D Pro (or something in that same category).
DCS aircraft can vary in terms of joystick demands. The WWII aircraft can generally be handled okay- with just a simple stick (again, like the Logitech 3D pro or whatever) but the lack of fine rudder control (in comparison to what pedals can get you) will make some things harder for you (take-offs and landings especially). This is not to say that you _need pedals, just that having pedals certainly helps a great deal.
Korean war era (Sabre and MiG-15) aircraft and even the MiG-21 module will work pretty well with a basic stick, There is not a lot of demand for fine rudder control (so a twist function will work pretty well) and there are not a whole lot of controls that you need to bind. I would even go as far as to say that the Sabre, MiG-15 and MiG-21 are the best modules for those that only have a basic stick.
The Huey and Mi-8 don't need a lot of buttons bound (so a basic stick will work fine) but they do need very, very fine rudder control so while it is "possible" to use only a twist stick rudder function, it is not going to be terribly comfortable or precise. These two modules essentially demand a set of rudder pedals in order to be most effective and precise.
The A-10C and Ka-50 are where we get firmly into HOTAS territory. You "can" play them without a HOTAS (like the X-52, X-55 or TM Warthog) but there will be noticeable issues with doing so. Here are some examples of why.
1.) The A-10C uses a lot of "hat switches" to accomplish essential tasks (TMS, DMS, radio, slew, etc). You will be using these commands very often and not having them on separate (but easily accessible) hat switches will significantly slow you down. You will be struggling to set your MAV's to SOI while others are already done locking up the target and calling 'rifle!" over the radio.
2.) The A-10C and the Ka-50 both operate close to the ground and thus close to the enemy. You won't have a lot of time to line up a attack, target the specific enemy you want to kill and fire. Doing this with a HOTAS is easy since you can quickly do everything with minimal hand movement/effort but fumbling with a keyboard may mean flying over the target without having fired or even eating a SAM/AA gun round while struggling to get everything done.
These two examples seem extreme and I know some will say that "they do just fine" but I know what I am saying here, I started playing DCS with a old Microsoft precision pro and it was extremely difficult to do just about anything with it.
When you are dealing with a simple stick in A-10C or Ka-50, you are going to have two options for binding controls. The first will have you putting only the most essential stuff on the stick while using the default keyboard commands for just about everything. The second will involve putting a lot of commands on to the stick using "modifiers".
The modifier method can make things pretty slow. For example, Let's say you are flying the A-10C. If you want to fire a Maverick missile, you need to hit (for example) left ctrl and your hat switch right to make the maverick your SOI, you then need to hit left alt+ your single hat switch to slew the seeker to the target. Now you can fire.
You may even do more steps like this if you are setting up mark points for GBU-38 targets.
My point here is that the Ka-50 and the A-10C (especially) are built with a HOTAS in mind. You "can" do it with a simple stick but you will always feel like you are one step behind and in a rush. It's possible to deal with it and soldier on but if you can avoid it, I suggest you try.
The last module type is the Flaming Cliffs aircraft, this is where a lot of folks will say that a simple stick is is just fine but I don't really agree. With FC3, you don't have the benefit of a clickable cockpit so every command has to be either accessed through the keyboard or your stick. This means that you actually need to bind more controls to your stick than you might for a more complex DCS module.
Again, you can get away with just using a simple stick in this case but it may end up slowing you down in that crucial moment online against your buddy or when the AI is giving you a particularly hard time.
One final point before I (finally) close this up.
I see a lot of folks (on various flight sim forums) talk about the Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X as if it were a viable alternative to options like the X-52, X-55 or the Warthog. It's not, I know it looks like a HOTAS to the untrained eye but the reality is that you are really buying a standard stick with a larger throttle control and that is about it.
You see, the reason you buy a HOTAS is not to just have a separate throttle handle. You get a HOTAS because they are usually loaded with hat switches (at least three or four) and many buttons. The TM HOTAS-X really only gives you the same amount of controls that a simple joystick provides. You the large footprint of a proper HOTAS with none of the benefits that a proper HOTAS actually gives you.
To put it simply, the TM HOTAS-X is not worth it, you might as well buy a Logitech 3D pro or another single stick solution if you go that route as you will at least e saving some desk real estate.
In closing (finally, eh?). It's not "required" to have a HOTAS for any of the modules, you can "get by" without them but I have found (from experience) that spending the money for a used X-52 or something along those lines early on will save you a lot of headaches and keyboard gymnastics. It is actually easier to not only play DCS with proper HOTAS controls, it is also easier (and faster) to learn DCS since the controls will be more convenient and you won't have to memorize a ton of modifiers in order to accomplish essential tasks.
If I'm not mistaken, that's the Thrustmaster HOTAS X, which is what I use. It's very good for the price.
Fantastic bodge, I love it. Wish I'd tried something like that before ditching my old USB stick for a HOTAS.
I take it you don't use the base buttons on the stick much, OP?
Gonna join in the praise for the Thrustmaster HOTAS-X. It's certainly standing me in good stead. It's a bit more expensive than the one you're looking at, but IMO it's worth it for the increased button count and ability to seperate the sticks.
The go-to stick+throttle for many first time users is the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X. I bought one for this game and while back, and while many criticise it for it's few buttons and cheap feel, it is great value for money.
If you're looking to splash out, I have heard great things about the Saitek X52 and the Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog.
Ya, I wanted pedals as well but couldn't find any for a reasonable price. I'm glad I didn't get pedals though as this setup has really grown on me. I use the left stick twist for up/down(clockwise for up, counter for down).
If I were you I'd buy a cheap joystick just to see if a dual-stick setup is right for you, and if you don't like it no big loss.
If you want a budget HOTAS I've heard really good thing about this one.
Holy hell what's going on with the pricing over your way? (just looked at the amazon link above)
£40 in the UK (compared to your $130/£84)
~~Where can I find a Thrustmaster X T-flight HOTAS? It's sold out everywhere online and no one sells it near me. Is there an alternative for a similar price?~~
Edit: It's back in stock for now. (Amazon, Walmart, Newegg)
I mean.. you might find what you want
The game is very playable on M&K or gamepad, but I don't deny that it is much more fun with a HOTAS. I use a CH setup, but apparently the Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X is a perfectly fine stick at a reasonable price. I don't play with heard tracking and don't think I'm much the worse for it, but I've considered getting a TrackIR when the bank account permits. I imagine once you start using it you won't want to go back though.
$50 for the Hotas:
$8 for the voice commands:
I use the Hotas X from Thrustmaster (they make the Warthog).
It's got a ton of buttons, throttle, stick, slider on throttle which is awesome for strafing, and it's usually under 50 bucks for you American chaps.
This is a good value AND its a HOTAS setup
Thrustmaster T-Flight is $35 on Amazon at the moment. That's the cheapest you'll ever find one. It's a basic unit but for the price, it's excellent (I've been using mine for a few months now) considering everything else starts at three figures.
I'm told it's absolutely unreal on the Oculus but I don't have one to confirm... Apparently the only real problem is the low resolution of the Oculus makes the UI a bit hard to read.
It's an amazing game, though. So much fun if you like that kind of thing.
 Huh, well it's $41 now. It was $35 yesterday. I guess that was a Cyber Monday thing.
the thrustmaster t flight hotas X works on PC and PS3 and is pretty good.
EDIT: wait shit I misread the title ignore me
Yeah, that looks like a nice one. I use a cheaper one, this and it is beautifully immersive. I would imagine the one you linked would be fantastic.
Pro-tip, if you download or copy someone else's hotas settings, use the oculus dash to pin a picture of the controls somewhere in your cockpit. At least until you get used to them.
I would recommend the Thrustmaster HOTAS X (I know, bad name) [link] as a cheap and decent setup, I played on Mouse and keyboard then an Xbox one controller and getting that totally changed the game for me!
Also voiceattack is pretty cool you can use it to do pretty much anything in the game with voice commands which feels pretty Sci Fi.
Consider this one.
I bought a Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS-X and I enjoy it. I couldnt justify a 100+ device. I got mine on sale at like 35 bucks but still, hard to beat 50 as well. Also yeah I've been keeping tabs on the game. I kind of went into it expecting the X series but with multiplayer, which is totally my fault but may explain my disappointment. If you've never heard of the X series and youre interested, may I recommend checking out X3: Terran Conflict? This game is a great example of a space sim sandbox. You can control fleets of ships, run an empire, build space stations, set up your own army or a space trading company. Capital ships are a thing too. There is a story as well.
Speaking of Elite, I'm not so sure how I feel about the engineers RNG update. Seems like more time sinks while there's already enough of those.
If you want something for cheap that will do the job until you upgrade later, I recommend a: Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X. It has all the axis needed for Star Citizen maybe just lack a few buttons. That's what I've got untill I can buy one of the upcoming Official Controller for Star Citizen.
What about this one? [link]
You could have a HOTAS for about the same amount of money.