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Make sure you connect it to your router via wire.
Wireless mesh/repeater/extender is not good performance.
If running a wire is an issue. Powerline Ethernet (homeplug av2), coax (moca or Hpna), or Ethernet extender (dsl/phone) is much better alternatives than wireless repeater.
This is a close to wired as you can get without running cable. 2000 = 1000 up x 1000 down. (Full duplex)
https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU
DIY buy a spool of cat5e, rj 45 tips, crimpers, faceplates all from Home Depot and it very much doable.
Or go wireless. Another option is using powerline Ethernet adapters if you want the high speed amazon tp link
Tp Link or NETGEAR Ethernet over power line. Must be plugged directly into the receptacles (Will not work plugged into a power strip) The wall receptacles on both the router and device ends must be on the same 110 volt side/phase of your power panel board to work. Costs between $40 to $110 based on added features for the pair. Ethernet over Power
You want the av2000 from amazon. There is a $20 off coupon right now bringing the price to $79. I get local transfers of about ~470 Mbps and my full internet connection speed.
Speeds are crazy good.
Well lets step out of the can or worms and give you some realistic advice now =)
Power Line adapters are not a bad idea. Just as Wireless is not a bad idea.. It is just not as good as hard run Ethernet..
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Pass-through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/
That is the best one you can get.. right now..
The trick to power line adapter is that it is hit or miss if they will work.. Some people get good speeds.. Other people crap speeds.. you should expect at best to get about half the rated speed..
So using the 500Mbps older version might give you an acceptable speed, but then again it might not..
The ONLY true way to figure out what will work is to GET them and try them.. If they do not work out make sure you get them from someplace like amazon so you can easily return them if they do not work out..
honestly I would not overly cheap out on the lower ones. They are based on older technology that is not as reliable..
The newer version of these are doing better and better.
Also keep in mind where you are plugging these things in..
So say you have a window AC unit in your room plugged into you wall outlet.. That might cause your speeds to tank due to interference.. same goes for anything else.. Microwaves / fridges / dryers / HAIR dryers lol yea I have had people that said their internet went real slow when the wife was blow drying their hair or using the Iron to iron cloths..
If you imagine how your house is wired.. all the little loops that go to each breaker and what each breaker controls - you will have an idea of what types of things might cause you not to get close to the rated speed of the PA you are using..
With a hard wired Modem/Router I once had an issue with my father that when a halogen desk lamp was turned on at night the internet would completely drop. Yes that was fun to figure out..
The story is a funny one...
So the best thing you can do it TRY it out and see how it works for you..
So an update if anyone finds themselves here at some point. I bought a power line adapter, the one I linked below, and my ping went from 200 ms over the wireless range extender to 84 ms over the power line adapter. I decided to buy through amazon because of their return policy if it didn't work. Now I haven't pushed the data limits of this thing but I get pretty much all of the data throughput I should get (a whopping 25mb/s... take that fiber lol)
Now, why am I in this situation? I'm living in an in law suite so I don't have the flexibility to drill holes through floors & walls to get cable from one side of the house to where I am. Also, I considered MoCa but there is literally only one coax cable in the main house living room. None where I live.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I switched from wireless to the gigabit powerline Ethernet adaptor and it has worked great for me. I no longer get the"server not powerful enough" when direct playing 4k media.
This is the one I have TP-Link AV2000 2-Ports Gigabit Powerline ethernet Adapter Kit, Power Outlet Pass-through, Powerline speeds up to 2000Mbps (TL-PA9020P KIT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_YNrMBbDFG3RTF
Like I tell all my clients, wired is reliability while wireless is convenience. Sure, I can drive a car with my feet but it doesn't make it a good idea. Use a powerline adapter if absolutely necessary.
You should give these a shot.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This may be an option.
Must be on the same 120v leg - so may not be convenient.
It's networking through the existing power wiring.
Note: when I plugged it in it produced a lot of other wifi network interference and forced some distant wifi cameras offline/sporadic.
It may be a quick/temporary solution until you get POE wiring out there. I agree with mblaster this is the wisest choice.
Can also move your inside wifi to as close to the barn - might be close enough to cross that distance. Wifi travels well in open air/line of sight...it's just penetrating walls/windows where it loses a lot of signal strength.
Of course the barn has no power...so it's either routing a power cord or a poe cord. Networking cable does have a lifespan of 4-5 years outside if left undisturbed.
You can also move an indoor wifi outdoor and put it in a ziplock bag for temporary use. Most 'outdoor' stuff is sealed for bug intrusion (as well as water) - and has heat sinks instead of fans/venting. But you can use inside stuff outside in weather protected areas for the short term.
I'd absolutely not depend on battery wifi items - there are a lot of reasons why those may be poor choices. The easiest of which is they're very easy to disable with a stick or a rock...and if reachable often just yanked off the wall.
When you do buy wiring - you can get direct burial cat 6 (or 5e) wiring and be fine. its up to you if you wish to splurge for conduit.
POE needs power at the injection point. So you'll have to somehow get wiring from inside the house to the outside.
The only other option, assuming you have power (AC) that connects to the house is Ethernet Over Power line.
You can use one of these to get an Ethernet connection, plug one into your modem and then use this on the plug where your ps5 is Link here here
I'm surprised how many people think wifi is a static thing like if yours work it works for everyone. You my friend, have two options: One, If the house isn’t too old, get a powerline adapter - it can transmit close to 1 gbps (bits not bytes, and actual throughput) if your power cables are in good condition and the source to your node isn’t going through a considerable distance. I use thisone - but I use a media server internally so I actually would need that bandwidth. Two: Build a mesh system. Depending on your network load you will need 2-3 mesh routers, none too powerful. It is an expensive but more "civilised" solution than to get a powerful router and repeaters
Three (bonus, not really recommended): Do some (simple) engineering like choosing the right static channel (you will need to get a wifi strength checking app in your cellphone and see which channels are unused most of the time), use beamforming, max tx power etc (if you are using an old modem that is)
If you need some further clarification on something, dm me. I'm a sysadmin by profession and friendly neighborhood computer dork by hobby.
It would be best to ditch wifi all together for the gaming consoles. Get this instead, along with the Ethernet Adapter, so you can never worry about wifi issues when gaming again:
That's what I use. It's called a powerline adapter and I am very happy with them. My service is 200 mbps and in the room I need it I consistently get over 130.
Depending on your needs you could go with a Powerline Adapter from a plug in the Garage and a Plug to your network in the house.
Or go the Wireless way.
You may want to try something like this first.
Be aware that Powerline Ethernet is very much hit-or-miss depending on your home's wiring and sources of interference (including intermittent ones like hair dryers and the like). But if it works, it can save you a lot of money.
Wireless connectivity will always be susceptible to interference which will affect throughput - worse with distance and other devices in area.
Powerline technology has significantly improved from earlier versions, and since you can typically return stuff that doesn't live up to "marketing" claims - you should give it a shot. That said - the TP-Link AV2000 PA9020P gets really good reviews.
Look into a “Powerline Adapter” Works in most situations. I’ve had the same TP-link ones for over 10 years.
This one’s I’m linking are pricier but there are cheaper ones that probably work just as well.
https://www.amazon.ca/TP-Link-Powerline-Pass-through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/
Kind of., I used this product TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapter - 2 Gigabit Ports, Ethernet Over Power, Plug&Play, Power Saving, 2x2 MIMO, Noise Filtering, Extra Power Socket for other Devices, Ideal for Gaming (TL-PA9020P KIT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_KEYPN1D8BTY1SMV9T3FN?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I concur. The homenetworking post makes it more clear what OP is looking for. So this is going to be inside the home. So directional sector, dish, mast antennas are likely not desirable.
MikroTik is probably the only PtP wireless bridge solution that has a formfactor of a consumer looking box. But if the OP is satisfied with their current AP. Adding a MikroTik AP (omni antenna) as a dedicated PtP bridge is adding interference.
Another option would be Powerline adapters. HomeAV2. You can connect multiple up to a single master if you need another connection in another location. Or multiple devices behind a unit with use of a switch, or some higher capacity models even have 2 ethernet ports.
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Key Features in picking out a good one:
I'd suggest the ones that do 2000 Mbps ( 1000 up / 1000 down ).
The 3 prong versions hold in the outlet better and maybe placebo, but seem to have more reliable connection.
Stay away from the older AV / AV1 standard, those were junk. AV2 is been out for some time now, it should be the only offered anymore. But still make sure it's HomePlug AV2.
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Good one:
https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU?th=1
Yup, Starlink mounted...run the 100' of cable into a Router (theirs or your own) then run a cable to a switch like someone suggested that is feeding from the ethernet jacks through your house.
If your thinking this is getting a little over your head and your about to give in there is always the "Powerline Ethernet" route if you want. It again allows your home electrical wiring to become the hard wire cord running to a room and you just plug in these Powerline adapters into an electrical outlet but luckily the adapter doesn't steal your plug as it has a pass-through plug.
Anyways some people frown on them but I run them at my Brothers place and they work very well...he pulls around 300mbps through them (they advertise them at 1Gig lol). Anyways 300mpbps is very good still as you can do pretty much anything with that speed and have lots of bandwidth left for what not.
I’d try a power line adapter. Will send internet signal through the power to your camper, and all you’ll need is a wireless router connected to it inside the camper.
I’ve got the one below and it works well.
TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapter - 2 Gigabit Ports, Ethernet Over Power, Plug&Play, Power Saving, 2x2 MIMO, Noise Filtering, Extra Power Socket for other Devices, Ideal for Gaming (TL-PA9020P KIT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_JNSEM79A5EYPXFGHYAPQ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
You might want to consider a powerline back haul. I use one and depending on your the quality of your house’s electric wiring it can provide up to 2Gbps speeds depending on the one you get. I use https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - occasionally I have to reboot them, but rarely. Maybe once a year at most.
Powerline adapter - runs Ethernet through the power wires. Just gotta have an outlet on both sides. I use these all the time in the line of work I am in and have them running for months with no issues.
https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU
It was just a fairly standard AV1200 powerline network adapter, and was discontinued very shortly after introduction.
Just buy a Netgear, D-Link, TP-Link, or whatever's available, if powerline is what you need. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B01H74VKZU
I have four Velop AC2200's, and with each one having 6 internal antennas, it's highly unlikely that an extender is going to be more powerful than the Velop unit itself.
I don't quite understand the issue with the outlet combination etc with a Power Line Adapter.
You could get this pack of two AV2000's: https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3SXI96UK6WUA8&dchild=1&keywords=tp-link+av2000&qid=1614167606&sprefix=TP-Link+AV%2Caps%2C287&sr=8-2
Then:
- Put the first Power Line Adapter (PLA) in the power outlet that supplies the master Velop node.
- Connect the second ethernet port of the Velop master node to the PLA
- Put the second PLA in the power outlet that supplies the second Velop node
- Connect the first ethernet port of the Velop second node to its PLA
- Start the first Velop which is also connected to your modem
- Once the first Velop has a solid blue light and is working then power on the second Velop so that it negotiates its connection via the new wired backhaul
I've been doing it for a couple of years now and it's been pretty stable. I've had to reset the units twice after a power blip/outage, and those are the only problems I've had. I used this unit which is no longer available (at least from Amazon) but others are.
Your mileage may vary, obviously, depending on the wiring in your place.
Here’s the one I’m looking at. I know we’re in different regions but this might be able to help you if you ever need it.
TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapter - 2 Gigabit Ports, Ethernet Over Power, Plug&Play, Power Saving, 2x2 MIMO, Noise Filtering, Extra Power Socket for other Devices, Ideal for Gaming (TL-PA9020P KIT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_5znuFb92CV0DT
I guess maybe I am confused. This stuff is confusing lol.
With solution 2, I am proposing here, if I were to get Ethernet Powerline adapters, such as these, I guess I could...
- Plug the powerline adapter down stairs into a power source.
- Then I could plug an ethernet cord into it.
- This ethernet cord would then run into my modem.
- Then I could plug an additional powerline adapter upstairs and use that Powerline Adapter to connect directly to my PC.
Does that make better sense?
Look into a powerline adapter if you can, when they work well, they are often the best option outside of ethernet. The basically let you run the internet through your electrical outlets. I'd just pick one up from Amazon and return it and get a better wifi adapter instead. It's pricey but I'd recommend something like this TP Link AV2000 or at least something that is an AV2 plug with Mimo and Beamforming. The cheaper ones from my experience do not work very well. But from my experience these newer ones are nearly as good as ethernet because there is much less risk for interference (and packet loss), relative to wifi.
If it doesn't work you can always take advantage of Amazon's 30 day return policy and get a wifi 6 adapter.
Newer power line adapters aren't bad... especially if the outlets are on the same circuit. I used them to run network connectivity to my buddy's pole barn because there was no pull string in the conduit to run another wire and I couldn't get enough wifi coverage to do the whole barn.
I used these: https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=powerline+adapter&qid=1592412749&sr=8-2 ~ the two plugs are on separate circuits and the run is probably 60-80yards. When I did some iPerf tests after install and was constantly pulling 300-500mbit over them.
He's had them out there for around two years now. He's had to reset them a couple times over the years but that's about it.
Just an option if you are concerned with MoCa. :) Could always buy them on Amazon and return if they don't work... that was my plan if they didn't work for us.
The rated speed is the ideal case with zero interference. In an average home (not new and not too old) you'll only get ~30-35% of the rated speed. Meaning, ~60Mbps of actual bandwidth with 200Mbps adapters, ~150Mbps with 500Mbps adapters, and so on. The latency isn't affected.
Sometimes, it doesn't work at all. You should buy the adapters from Amazon and use their returns policy if it doesn't.
TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapter - Gigabit Port, Ethernet Over Power, Plug&Play, Power Saving, MU-MIMO, Noise Filtering(TL-PA9020P KIT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_nYOcEbKG0VH7F So like these? Also, would it be better if I made it a room closer to 30 feet away?
Option 1: Ethernet over Power - It uses your existing Electrical Circuit to send Data to another room. Note both Adapters must be on the same Panel for it to work.
Something like this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU.
Option 2: Mesh Network or Wifi Extender. There are several companies that make them. Google Mesh, Ubiquiti, Milo, etc. Also a simple WiFi Router could do it depending on the WiFi strength.
TP-Link Powerline Adapter AV2000 Mbps - Gigabit Port, Ethernet Over Power, Plug&Play, Power Saving, MU-MIMO, Noise Filtering(TL-PA9020P KIT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_6TwDCbR0E0ZYJ
There are less expensive models just first one I found to show you what you need. Never use WiFi again my man, these work works and basically turn your power outlets into Ethernet access.
Buy a better adapter. I recently bought the tp-link AV 2000 and can get about 200mbs now, which is my ISP max.
(Previously I was using AV500 and was only getting 50-75mbs)
Powerline CAN be low loss low latency, depends a lot on your homes internal wiring. I have 0 gain on my internet connection through mine. I’d Amazon a pair and return them if they don’t work.
There adaptors that will give you 2000 for less than 100 dollars:
I think there’s a popular misconception that they suck.
First I would recommend swapping the USG for an Edgerouter-X/Lite as it's just an all around better choice and will offer more flexibility down the line.
For the APs, I would start with getting a Pro and trying to mount it centrally either in the back of the Kitchen closest to the Bathroom, or in the Office closest to the Bathroom. Keep in mind the optimal mounting point is on the ceiling as the Unifi APs broadcast their signal in a cone-shaped fashion. You can then go around your house and test the coverage as well as going out to your backyard and see how far you can go.
I assume you're looking for coverage in your garage so what I would do is if the garage is on the same electrical grid is get a Powerline Adapter and setup an AC Lite if the Pro can't reach the garage.
Save yourself the headache and setup a free Google VPS for the Controller to run on instead of the Cloud Key. I got one for a big install I did for a customer and wound up having to reset it 3 times in 3 months due to random power issues that would corrupt the database. I now have a Digital Ocean VPS driving my Unifi Controller and and 5 different sites with 30+ devices and it works great.
Where I would start is get the AC Pro, install the Controller on your computer and set it up to test the coverage and see if just the one will suffice. After that, then get the Edgerouter-X/Lite and the US-8 150w.
In theory you could get a MoCa adapter, but I find MoCa to be somewhat goofy and sometimes causes issues. For the same price (or less), and easier setup, you could get powerline adapters. Just plug into any electrical outlet, and boom, Ethernet. Works best if your wiring is modern, but if you have coax in all your walls, you probably have fairly modern electrical wiring too. This is the best currently, there's cheaper options if 100mbps or 500mbps is enough speed for you: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU?tag=thewire06-20&linkCode=xm2&ascsubtag=AgEAAAAAAAAAAJDU
Get a set of PowerLine adapters. They use your house's existing electrical system to create a wired connection. All of the machines in our house are connected over PowerLine and the connection screams.
First, PS4 is known to have crappy WiFi and connectivity is junk. Wired connectivity to your PS4 would be better.
Second, I just left an apartment where I had my WiFi Router/modem on the first floor and PS4 on the second floor. I used powerline adapters to have wired connectivity and they worked fine for both the PS4 and my Roku. The powerline adapters are dependent on how many circuit hops they have to make but they will work for what you need.
Third, people have opinions about powerline adapters, but if you spend the money for good ones (in my opinion), they will work for your needs. Point of caution - there is a newer power circuit in newer built homes that the adapters won't work in so be sure to know if you just have the standard/old circuit system.
Here is the set I use: https://smile.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Pass-through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1515713927&sr=1-7&keywords=powerline+adapter
I had a similar situation where there was no Ethernet drop and I couldn’t add one. I ended up buying some TP-Link 2G powerline Ethernet adapters and running them between the eeros. It works fantastic. My eeros have a good network backhaul between them and my coverage since then has been stellar. I would highly recommend this. You can get a pair from Amazon for about $100.
Another recommendation for powerline. I have a few in my house and while they def are not as fast as true wired, they are fast enough to easily max out my internet connection (75/75)
ETA: and these could be easily taken with you back and forth so you would only need one pair. The set I have: TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapter Kit, 2-Port, Gigabit w/ Power Outlet Pass-through, up to 2000Mbps (TL-PA9020P KIT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
Try a Powerline adapter. Allows you to plug two converters into the wall and use the electrical wiring in your home to transport ethernet from one end of the house to the other. I use it successfully in my living room, but it depends on the wiring in your home. As for the coax, that's a bit more tricky if you have a cable box you need to plug into. I personally have a coax cable going up and around a door (stapled into the trim), and then back down to run down the baseboard; you can hardly notice it. But your mileage may vary depending on distance. Food for thought.
I didnt want to splurge on the mesh wifi yet either. I ended up going with a Ethernet over Powerline solution.
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Pass-through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU
This thing is able to handle about 350-400MBits/sec in my experience. This is going between circuits too. Now, i did get a cheapo pair of no-name ones from newegg ($18 i think) to test as a proof of concept. They worked, but only pulled 20MBits.
I have 2 AT&T wireless TV boxes running through this as well as my R7000 Wifi Router (in AP mode) to provide normal wifi.
If it does not work out you can always return it, if you get it let me know how it goes.
I just picked these up for going from my router to an upstairs bedroom for my HDHomerun CONNECT and PS4
https://smile.amazon.com/TP-Link-Pass-through-1200Mbps-TL-PA8030P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1501612968&sr=8-4&keywords=ethernet%2Bover%2Bpower&th=1
No issues so far
Does anyone here have experience with powerline adapters? Is it worth spending the extra money to get an expensive one or do the cheaper ones work just as well?
Ethernet over powerline from Tplink
Av2000 works like magic.
Don't use them if you have new ARC circuit breakers.
ISP will not do it for you. You need an electrician.
probably about ~120 per drop plus time + parts. They will most likely have to open up the walls.
You may want to look at Ethernet over powerline.
$20 coupon right now bringing the price to $79
Each Room after the first will be $50 (two in a box). They are coming out with one at the end of the year/ start of next year with built in wifi.
I get about 470 Mbps on the same circuit and 130ish on different circuits.
the easiest way is probably to use some powerline adapters.
something like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU
basically just uses your home's existing power cabling to connect two ethernet ports
> >1. What is the difference between a wired access point and a wireless access point? This video explains that a wireless access point is essentially a device that allows wireless devices to connect to an existing wired network. So what is a wired access point then? >
This is a semantics issue. Wireless Access Points do indeed have the function of allowing wireless devices to connect into your network. It's pretty much the only function of Access Points, so much so that the term "Wireless Access Points", or WAPs, has been colloquially shortened to just "Access Points" or APs, and the meaning is taken exactly the same.
A wired Access Point refers to how the AP itself is connected into the network. Very specifically, a Wired Access Point has an Ethernet cable connecting it into the core switch of your network, either directly, or through a secondary switch which is itself uplinked into the core switch using Ethernet. So you can trace an unbroken connection of Ethernet from the Access Point to the core network, passing through switches as necessary.
You need to distinguish "wired Access Point" because there is an option to backhaul an Access Point wirelessly as well. You do this by forming a wireless bridge between two Access Points, so the second Access Point actually does not connect into the main network using Ethernet, but instead does all communication wirelessly. This kind of connection has weaknesses in comparison, the main one being that it will halve your speed because of half-duplex communication, while wired Access Points are full-duplex.
>2. I currently have a powerline adapter like this. Would I be able to connect a wireless access point (as described in 1. above) to my wifi router using an ethernet connection from this powerline adapter? >
You can do this. In fact there are new powerline adapters with Wifi built-in, specifically for this kind of setup.
However, powerline is no real substitute for real Ethernet. Powerline is extremely hard to predict performance-wise, but it rarely achieves even 20% of what Ethernet is capable of, and often only achieves 5% or less.
Powerline also shares the wires it uses with electricity, which can cause fluctuations in throughput and latency as electric devices get turned on and off.
Having said all that, sometimes getting 5-10% (or more) out of powerline vs Ethernet is all you need to service a PC or TV or even a guest room. And having 5-10% of your top Internet speed is always better than NO Internet for remote locations.
So building your whole network around powerline is never recommended, unless you get very lucky with your powerline speeds (very hard to predict for any given house). Using it to service a limited amount of devices is more reasonable. And of course, using Ethernet is far superior.
>3. If 2. is possible, is it possible, at least for now, to use a wifi router and then later add a wireless access point to the network using ethernet from a powerline adapter? Would the wifi router and the wireless access point both work together and send out a wireless signal to allow for wireless devices to connect to the network (allowing for a greater range of wifi then standalone wifi router)? >
This can be done, but as discussed, you will be limited by the performance of powerline, which can often be a fraction of your overall speed with Ethernet. Would it be good enough? You'd have to test it and judge for yourself. But no professional would recommend this as a standard deployment. You use powerline very selectively for a few "hard to reach" devices, not as you main distribution technology.
>4. Would it be possible to create a wired backhaul for a mesh network kit, such as the TP-Link Deco M5 using a similar method in 2. - using a powerline ethernet connection to connect to the router? > >Any help would be appreciated!
Same as #3. Yes, it's technically possible, but results will vary wildly and always compare terribly vs Ethernet. In this specific case witj mesh, often using the mesh's built-in wireless backhaul will perform better than linking them up with powerline. You should test extensively before committing to a powerline heavy strategy.
I just helped a buddy sort out this very issue! NanoBeams are great but you have an opportunity for a cheaper solution. This is 100% assuming that you have power out in your garage since you have an office setup (also a must for the NanoBeams)
Powerline Adapter - If your garage electric shares a junction box with your house service, you can plug one of these in by your router and one in your garage and it uses the electric circuit to send data. On the garage side you now have an active Ethernet port ready to plug and play or go to an AP for WiFi ($50-$90 for powerline, $50 for a cheap AP)
MoCA Adapter - Similar premise as the Powerline but runs over the coax cable running though your house. If you are lucky enough to have cable tv service in your garage, this is a little more expensive but much cleaner data transfer. ($120-$150 for MoCA, $50 for cheap AP)
Mesh AP set up with a node in the garage. 70 feet isn’t very far. Look on EBay for something like the Orbi Rbk50. It’s a generation old but it can cover that space easy and is a much simpler set up plus you will have WiFi and free Ethernet ports to do what you will ($100-$200 depending on how patient your EBay-ing is)
All three options are going to be cheaper than the NanoBeams and easier to set up (granted that the power or coax are there). 3 might be a push on price but this is a reason mesh networks exist.
NanoBeams are great and I’m using that model at work but I don’t think they are overkill for what you are looking to get out of your project. I’m using them to connect a remote bus garage about 2000ft away. It’s running a 2 cameras, an AP, a VoIP phone and an HVAC controller.
I would rank those options: MoCA, Mesh, Powerline, Point to Point (NanoBeam) in that order for your needs
As far as internet goes, I ran into a similar problem with my build, and I bought the motherboard that was suggested to you in this thread that has built in Wi-Fi Unfortunately, that device's built in Wi-Fi isn't strong enough to go reach from the basement to the second story of a house. Additionally, I read several Amazon reviews saying that it couldn't get signal even on the same level through several walls.
Can you elaborate on your internet situation? Originally, I bought a wireless USB adapter for my PC, and it was pretty solid, but as far as gaming goes, I kept getting random ping spikes, resulting in characters skipping around. I'd definitely suggest a Powerline Adapter if you're significantly far away from your router. I bought this one, but there are definitely cheaper versions of it out there. I'd highly recommend it. It's as close as you can get to direct wiring to a router that's far away. Gaming has been smooth sailing for me ever since.
"Good Powerline Adapter" is kind of an oxymoron but this is one of the best:
Your best bet would be to use network extenders that use your electrical power points in your house. They can achieve speeds upwards of 200mbps now. Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU
Edit: Gigabyte speeds now
Like I tell all my clients, wired is reliability while wireless is convenience. Sure, I can drive a car with my feet but it doesn't make it a good idea. Use a powerline adapter if absolutely necessary.
Not sure on an installer but can't you use your power outlets to run internet through the existing electric wiring? Could be a much cheaper option for you.
Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/
Sounded weird to me too until I tried it. I have a pair of these and love them:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Powerline will get you 300M (at "full" speed)
A pair of these should provide enough performance for a camera.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU
Good luck!
Let us know what you implement after reviewing your options.
I have a pair of these and couldn't be much happier. You're not going to get as fast as you would with actual ethernet, but what you do get should be sufficient, and at a reasonable price.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Got one last wild idea. Didn't work great for me because of some range issues and weird wiring in my house, but... is your rental exclusively on its own power circuit? Because if it is, you might be able to use a thing called powerline networking.
You need a spare power outlet next to your router, and another next to your PC. One device plugs into each. Ethernet cable from router to the wall outlet there, second ethernet cable from second device to your PC. The closer the two outlets are, the better the connection is, in my experience.
Here's one option that lets you keep using the power outlet normally, and this one is similar to what I was using. Still not as good as a hardwired connection, but definitely better than basic wifi, and might be cheaper than a whole new heavy duty router and antenna!
there is internet over power line adapters you can buy that use the existing wiring in the building to transfer the data, the wireless extender/repeater is another option though may take some tinkering to get everything working but WILL be limited to wireless speeds as it is technically a wireless connection from the modem to your repeater/extender. this is where knowing how to terminate each end of an ethernet cable helps as you can drill very small holes to feed it through walls/floors to get to the room you need a wired connection in. if wired matters the most to you, then the internet over power line maybe the better option as the other one will be mostly wireless
^ just an example of what those are.
Get powerline adapters. Connect one to your router and connect the other one to the power outlet in your room. The internet traffic is routed using your home electrical wiring. You can hook up your PC to the powerline adapter in your room using an ethernet cable.
It is something like https://www.amazon.sg/TP-Link-AV2000-Powerline-Adapter-TL-PA9020P/dp/B01H74VKZU/?th=1
Buy the powerline adapters from Challenger or some other local store, not Amazon, to make sure that it fits Singapore's type-G plugs.
- wired
- wireless
- If they're okay with you sending the wire outside to the window, put a WIFI extender pointed to the room. If the switch or router doesn't have POE, you'll need a POE injector.
OP! Forget all this other advice. Way too much work for what you need.
Get yourself a “Powerline Adapter”. They are a tremendous piece of technology. They are up to 2Gbps speed these days.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-powerline-networking-kit/amp/
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01H74VKZU?ascsubtag=AwEAAAAAAAAAAcu9&linkCode=gs2&tag=thewire0f-20
Any kind of tape or adhesive is going to not be good for paint over extended periods of time.
Do you have some spare outlets? You could do a Ethernet over powerline adapter instead.
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I upgraded to this from a weaker adapter (Same brand; TP-Link).
I downloaded a software that provides an interface for TP-Link Powerline products and I was playing with settings. Hence why I brought this up.
As mentioned earlier by u/Serious-Extension738, the powerline adapters don't provide overall best performance compared to ethernet or wi-fi, given that powerlines only get roughly 10% of ethernet performance.
But I'm choosing powerline over 100m of ethernet cable .
I only need consistency, not download speed.
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While I'm not a big fan of Powerline adapters for extending ethernet in a home over electrical wiring (much prefer MoCA over coax), you may want to try something like the TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapters:
I use a TP Link ethernet over power adapter TP Link AV2000 and it works great for me.
Get some of these and you might not need to run cable at all.
https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/
I have two sets feeding an outbuilding and my office and they're totally solid. One of them feeds an outbuilding where I installed an access point. The signal goes through two subpanels and an underground electrical cable and it's solid as a rock. Can't praise them enough.
The best thing would be to simply run a Ethernet cable. It's pretty easy and I recently ran over 1500 feet of Ethernet cable when I installed my system.
Other options that come to mind are:
Ethernet over power line adapters.
https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU
Also Ethernet over coax cable adapter (MoCA).
https://www.amazon.com/Actiontec-MoCA-Network-Adapter-Ethernet/dp/B088KV2YYL
Wifi Bridge might be ok if you used a 5GHz one? With regards to "clogging up my wifi" that should not really be a concern. If it was then just install another WiFi router in your home so your NVR has its own dedicated WiFi system. I have 3 different WiFi routers in my home that are all their own network. You can use a network switch to add a router or plug a router into a router.
I have used that exact MoCA adapter before. It's downright amazing I was able to get the FULL bandwidth that my internet provider gave me. It was just as fast as being directly plugged into my modem!
I bought [this](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details)
Decent product, but I'm 100% sure the wiring in this place is sub-optimal. I was loving the stable ping for sure, but after thorough testing I just couldn't deal with the higher loaded latency. When downloading/uploading my ping went through the roof. Not a limitation of the tech, but a sign that my wiring was super wack. Tried multiple outlets with mixed results. Certainly capable of being a step-up over wifi, but not in my case.
I'm going to have a cable ran to my desk and move the router there. Maybe get a mesh wifi 6 system for other devices in the house. I have doubts about wifi reception TO and FROM my room. IDK. Cable sounds like the best option. Moneys, but whatever.
Eh, yeahhhhh anyway to run a cat5 cable outside or through a wall? or is it a railroad style apt? I've had great luck with these devices, ethernet over power. https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=asc_df_B01H74VKZU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309807187084&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4633963981819590595&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9067609&hvtargid=pla-434473964379&psc=1
Either one of these would work.
Get this to solve your ps5 issue.
Try a power line kit https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU
For ideas and inspriration otherwise I have seen a great improvement over previous powerline adapters with TPLink AV2000 but they can be hard to find in the US.
I use powerline using https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It has worked great I use it to stream to my Roku tv and to my Surround sound system. I'm in a 35+ year old condo and reliably get about 75-80% of my router output
I use these for just that reason https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Plug one in the wall near your router run a cat5/6 to it from router, plug other one in any wall outlet it has 2 ethernet connections on bottom plus passthrough so you wont loose and outlet. I get about 75-80% of my isp speed and you can add additional to it with no real loss
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
bought these. did the trick.
Went with these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
As an alternative to running wire, you could use a powerline to ethernet adapter like this
There are a number of wifi extenders that do have a "lan" port that you can plug your computer into but I don't know any off the top of my head. if your goal is to connect to connect your laptop/desktop to your existing network, you can go with power line adapters. these are devices that look like your extender (minus the antennas) and they plug into the wall (do not plug them into power strips). One of the pair plugs near your router and you run an ethernet cable from your router to the adapter. The other one of the pair plugs into an outlet where you want to have access so this would probably go where your wifi extender would go and then you just run an ethernet cable from your laptop to the adapter. They're pretty plug and play and simple to use. I have a set and they work fine. the performance isn't up to what I was expecting so I don't use them anymore. I think the model is TP-LINK AV2000. if you want them PM me your info and if you pay for shipping they're yours.
Just plug in wall near router, run cat6 from the router, plug second unit where you need it, press buttons to sync gives be about 75-80% of speed of router
Are you in an apartment building or in an area with congested W-Fi signals? If so that might be the issue. You can try switching to a new channel that is less crowded to see if that helps. Ideally though, you will want to be connected via Ethernet whenever possible. If you need to get Ethernet access in multiple room and are not in a position to tear open your walls you might want to investigate a MIMO solution like the following:
https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/
If you don't have already a pair in your house, you can try using a power-line carrier. Basically it will send the signal trough your house electricity. You plug one to your router and in a Power outlet near it, and the other in a Power outler near your setup and into your switch.
It should be as if you had a classic wired connection. My ISP provided me a pair and I use it for my computer, no issue and same speed as a direct connection to the router. You can find power-line carrier on Amazon like this : https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=powerline+carrier&qid=1597409501&sr=8-3
Since devolo doesn’t seem to exist in English amazon I provide something that does the same:
This would be something for the WiFi solution.
Important side note: if you try the first option, make sure to plug the device into the wall directly. Don’t use a power strip. It doesn’t have the same electricity that the wall cables have and makes the device useless.
I hope I could help you with the problem :) Stay safe
TP-Link Powerline Adapter AV2000 Mbps - Gigabit Port, Ethernet Over Power, Plug&Play, Power Saving, MU-MIMO, Noise Filtering(TL-PA9020P KIT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_O5AADbP6JH6VF
>Does anyone have any recommendations as to powerline adapters they use?
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As long as you buy a reputable brand, you'll be fine. Powerline is not rocket science, and most of them do the same thing and a good job to boot. Usually the price difference comes from added gimmicks such as two ethernet ports which was important for me (PS4+Xbox) or built in wi-fi extension. I use a TP Link and I would recommend the brand.
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I think I have those: https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/ . They have only lost connected 2-3 times in a few years and I get my full speed through the powerline. I pay for 100 Mbps and all of it comes through.
The powerline adapter may be the easiest and cheapest way to test. And if they don't work, just return them. I've used the powerline adapters plenty of times for gaming, but I havent tried 4k over them. Plus everything you are doing is local. The PC upstairs is doing all the work. https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Pass-through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU
Ethernet Cable.. I would sacrifice small children and pets to run an Ethernet cable.. Drilling holes in floors is not that bad =)
Going floor to floor no real great solutions.. You can try setting up a mesh network..
https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/350795/the-best-wi-fi-mesh-network-systems
You can try a 5Ghz WiFi 802.1 AC card..
You can try Ethernet over Powerline but get a decent one.. https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Pass-through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU
AC1200 < Gigabit
Also, you can get them with higher speeds, if needed. e.g., https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU/
Power line performance varies a lot, more so than wifi. You just have to try and see.
For my setup, I am getting about 120mbs down on speedtest. Even though tplink reports bloated link speed around 850mbs
Before I wired up my house, I was using 3x3 wireless bridge to talk to netgear r7500, that bridge maxes out around 300mbs. But that was a very ideal setup, -45dBM or better, clear air in between. Of course like most wifi, performance degrades quickly when few walls, floors are thrown in between.
To answer your question, I doubt that powerline can reach 200/100mbs net speed. However online gaming doesn't need whole lot of bandwidth, just stable one.
Both types of connection are subjected to ping spike however :-<
I moved my TiVo network over to powerline
https://smile.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Pass-through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU
Use one for each TiVo device and one by your router.
Moca 2.0 adapters are the closest thing you could get to GB bandwidth without Cat cables.
Alternatively, I would recommend these. https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=asc_df_B01H74VKZU4509123/?tag=shopbotca-20&creative=395285&creativeASIN=B01H74VKZU&linkCode=df0 the TP-link -PA9020P
Just make sure they're on the same circuit and not going through any power junction boxes like the main junction or anything like that.
Get one one of these and problem solved
Invest in a powerline adapter. It’s better than violating safety codes.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_EkGkDbH4AZRA4
Room nowhere near ethernet plug: powerline pass through e. g. https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Powerline-Pass-Through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU?ref_=ast_sto_dp
Can't all Plug in: unmanged switch + mythical cables
Sharing internet with others: individual max usage limits in the router so everyone gets some
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