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Thanks so much! The rest of the components/models are as follows:
I wanna say the SSD is a Samsung 850 EVO but I’m not home to confirm for sure at the moment. I’m also not sure if this is relevant or not to the motherboard, but I don’t have access to Ethernet and am using this WiFi card [link]
I was expecting things similaire to this. Is that hard to setup? I'm asking before watching a tutorial doing my research.
I'm guessing thats only an extender of the current wifi? It's better because of the speed / stability you can get?
(copied my comment since its the same topic :D )
I'm guessing thats only an extender of the current wifi? It's better because of the speed / stability you can get?
For the price this TP-Link - TL-WDN4800 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter is a really good buy. I have these on 3 gaming computers in my house and they work really well. Easy set up and never drop signals. Look here: [link]
For a Bluetooth connection you would want to use a USB dongle. They really don't sell aftermarket PCI-E boards for Bluetooth because Bluetooth is a very low powered signal that usually only works for 20 to 30 feet from the source. (The dongle)
I use the TPLink TL-WDN4800 and works OOB since OSX 10.10 and still working fine in High Sierra (10.13.3).
However, /u/marcushe 's answer is better because you get WiFi + Bluetooth 4.0 and it's actually an Apple card. Nothing will work better than that.
Is something like this not advisable because you can't extend the antenna?
Whats the difference?
Is this wireless? here
my house is around 18-20 years old and in terms of wiring quality im not sure its prob avg?
my laptop wifi speed is 36 and download speed is 9. is that considered fast? i was pretty close to my router when i took this test if that helps.
would i really gain much more speed from the ethernet cord?
As in a USB to connect to wireless? Not really.
Most people building a PC put an internal wireless card, example. Some motherboards have this built in also.
Do you mean PCI-E? If so, the TP-Link N900 is a good chip for consumers.
If you actually meant PCI, the much older and now unsupported standard, I had a TP-Link TL-WN851ND 2.4Ghz single band card in an ancient desktop that worked good. If your system is any less than about a decade old, you're running PCI-E.
I would recommend just buying a wireless adapter then, Ethernet can be annoying [link] but you can download it from a separate computer onto a usb, then plug the usb into your pc with no internet connection, then install it that way. But I would just try to get a wireless adapter, the link I posted is the one my friends use. Hope I've helped!
currently using (cheap wifi adapter)[[link]] should I upgrade this since i am currently planning to upgrade other parts of my build? and what are some good adapters/options?
THIS is the best you can get
In terms of cards, this is what I use:
It’s only 35 so it won’t break your bank. If you’re gonna look at another card though, pci-e cards (I have found) work better than USB
the other guy hasnt responded yet so heres one i personally use, i linked it below. easy installation of the antenas. and it works right out of the box, no need for extra software.
Will this wi fi card plug into a PCI-e x1 port? I have a free x1 and a free x16 port so it's fine if it doesn't, but I sort of just want to know.
Also, my CPU supports 16 PCI-e lanes. If I put this wi-fi card in, the GPU will use 8 PCI-e lanes, correct? If so, will I see a hit in performance and so should I look into those USB ones instead?
No. The motherboard in the above build is an ATX mobo. It does not have built in wifi. Only ITX boards have built in wifi. You can go with the MSI mobo chosen and add a wifi card to the PC for wifi.
Yeah you can use a wireless card and a GPU with that MoBo. Something like this will work great in your PC
Well, first you want to compare it to this one
Since it's the same (ac1900)
But the Asus offers: longer range, more stable connections, comes with an external antenna
Also just a better brand in general. Had a lot of issues with tp link routers and powerline adapters.
Actually it only went downhill recently, my mate was having some troubles with the wifi so he just did a quick reset and unplugged/re plugged the modem.
And here is the dongle: [link]
I'm sorry, I'm not very informed on all the specifications of WIFI Cards, but I use the [link]
It works fine for me, but its PCI-E, not usb
We don't use wired connection, we both only use wifi using this wifi adapter. However, I've never had any ping spikes and we use the same wifi connection and adapter.
I might suggest this one. It's a bit more than I'd want to spend, but at least it'll be reliable.
If the motherboard comes with integrated Wi-Fi then in most of the cases Windows 10 is installing the drivers on its own.
But usually only mITX mobos have integrated Wi-Fi, otherwise you have buy a Wi-Fi card. Something like this for example [link] USB stick versions are also available but not recommended.
Moving my rig to a different room and need to buy a PCIE network adapter, anything i should look for in particular? I just need wifi capability.
Im currently looking at this but its pretty expensive...
I built my first PC in December and using this network card does the job for me. I know on the Amazon page where it talks about compatibility it only goes up to Windows 8 but I've had no issues with it on my PC running Windows 10 worked right out of the box. It came with an installation disc but I didn't even need it Windows recognized it and I was able to connect to my internet.
I will say though I don't play too many online games but the few I have it's been solid and games from Steam and Origin download pretty fast and I watch YouTube, Twitch, Netflix all in HD just fine.
hey just a follow up, I ordered all the parts and now I need to get a wireless network card (unfortunatley there is no way for me to do a wired connection) any recommendations on that end?
(this is one I was looking at currently [link])
PCI has enough bandwidth for wifi adpaters. The difference is pcie has more bandwidth, but PCI has gigabit speeds, so like I said doesn't matter in this case.
And yeah, tplink is something i'd recommend. But i would recommend this instead. More antennas will provide better connection, and you're not going to be able to us 802.11ac through multiple floors.
What's the best way to boost my pc's wifi signal? My laptop works at this range, but my desktop doesn't. I have this wifi card, but it just isn't cutting it. Does the tinfoil system work? Do wifi antenna's help at all?
Will this pcie wireless network card work with my GA-Z270X-Ultra Gaming mobo, because on the amazon page for the network card it says it only uses ddr3 ram?
An addendum to my reply:
Wifi is wifi, desktop would be just as reliable (if not better, depending on the card you get) as laptop wifi
I've used this card for a couple years now, and have had no problems with it: [link]
There's better, more recent models out there, but I don't recommend what I haven't used.
Onboard vs dedicated card: depends on what your motherboard. If it's m-ITX, then you're going to use the onboard, since the single PCIe slot will be full of raw GPU gaming power; if it's an m-ATX or ATX motherboard, it's up to you, both will work fine, though I think only high-end expenive motherboards of those sizes come with onboard wifi, and for the most part it is cheaper to get a dedicated card
Im not sure, I was under the impression its called a PCI adapter, here's a link showing what Im referring to
Oh yeah I've just seen that. I might go with the ASUS considering the average reviews are much much higher.
I think just N. It's this card in my main computer. Then we have Macbook and my mum has a new Dell XPS
I have that exact same adapter and I finally ended up just running a 30 foot ethernet cable any time I wanted to hard wire. It worked great for a couple of weeks. It had fantastic speeds. The only annoying thing was that anytime I put my computer to sleep, the adapter would fall asleep as well and the only way to wake it up is to unplug and replug it in (obviously not the end of the world, but very annoying over time). But after two weeks it started randomly cutting out. I'd be in the middle of a Rocket League match, get the red disconnect triangle, and get kicked from the game. I'd look underneath my desk and the adapter lost it's powerline connection. Replugged it back in and all was well for another 30 minutes or so before I got kicked from another game. I definitely will not use it anymore - it's not even worth the time.
I recently bought this wifi card after I gave up on the Powerline adapter and I've had good luck with it so far. No issues in game at all. I looked at some of the cards that you listed with bluetooth built in as well and I kept getting sketched out by the reviews.
While this isn't the absolute cheapest way to hook up to a wifi (you could get a $10 USB adapter that would be ok-ish), it's probably what you're after if you're not in the same room as the router. This $35 card is PCIe, meaning it hooks into your motherboard inside your case like a graphics card for the best performance.
The $80 AC variant supports the latest wireless standard, but you need to have a newish router to take advantage of that.
If you don't have AC (if you don't know, you probably don't) This card supports MIMO and Dual Band, the important features for a decent WiFi card.
/u/arorarohan907's suggestion is solid
For the wireless adapter, I can recommend this one, it's served me faithfully for about 3 years now with no issues
In regards to Windows 10, just buy it from Amazon, better safe than sorry, you can get the Windows 10 Home OEM disc with key for about $99, I believe
~~I am assuming you're using an MSI Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon? If you are, then you can just put it in the M.2 slot below the CPU socket and above the first PCI slot. Or in the other M.2 slot near the bottom. The low-profile M.2s will actually fit against the board and will not interfere with any of your PCI cards, including your 1080s, so you can put it in any M.2 slot on your board.~~
Edit: Wait a minute... your GTX 1080s should go on the metal-clad PCI slots, which leaves you two open PCIe slots, the small one between your 1080s and the bigger one at the bottom... why do you say you can't get just a regular PCIe wifi card like this one that will fit between your 1080s?
I've personally had this tp link card for years, 0 problems. I know of several other people with the same story. I've had a good history with tp link, not sure why your experience has been so bad. Have you mostly gone for the cheaper cards? I've always gone for mid-high tier wireless cards, I've had quality issues with cheaper cards from every company across the board. If aesthetics are a big deal, the t8e or t9e would be my typical recommendation.
Yes, it's this one, I believe.
If you search around the subreddit, you should be able to find this exact one mentioned a lot.
I have this one
It works well, no driver installation needed (windows took care of it easily). Also especially good if you ever want to hackintosh your build since its plug n play there too (at least it was for me, that's actually the reason i upgraded to this one).
Now that I say that, I'd probably get an AC variant at this point.
Well, any branded USB card would work ine.
But a pci one has better performance and are more reliable. Just check your motherboard to see if you have free slots available.
Like these one
Something like this. There are also usb sitcks but I remmoned pci express cards. (I believe its more stable).
I am currently on the bottom floor of my house and the router is on the top floor, soon I am going to be even further away, I always get good speeds when I test them and when I download things, but I get random ping spikes when I play games, making it unplayable in all sorts of games, even getting kicked for too high of ping.
The current adapter I am using is this one: [link]
I noticed that this doesn't have the ac for the super fast speeds like you mentioned, and I have seen the powerline adapters get good reviews before so I am really not sure how they work. I have tried a wifi extender for a short time, with it being much more reliable then wifi and much lower speeds.
This will do just fine.
Thanks for your input! That build is looking in better shape than mine lol. Also, the wireless adapter I have is a TP-Link-900 (Amazon link here) and I have a full size bracket and mini size bracket. I think it can get the job done for basic web browsing and online gaming! (Doesn't beat an Ethernet connection buuuuuuuut for the moment I think it is OK)
TP-Link makes good wifi cards. This is the one I have and I recommend it.
If your wifi is strong enough from where you're planning to put your computer, I'd recommend getting the wifi card. You don't 'have' to use it if you end up moving your computer closer later on.
I use this [link]
I don't know if its the best, but it works great for me. I play games pretty competitively (csgo, battlefield,dark souls), and have never had a problem. I sit rather close to the router, not sure if that makes a huge difference. I recommend.
The link isn't working for me but I'd recommend this one. I have a 150 down internet and it gets around half that considering that it's on a different floor and on another side of the house. It also manages the band some things use so the 5Ghz channel isn't being used for everything.
Gonna get this one for my Pc which ima build in a coupole months. Really good reviews, Gets the job done. [link]
Yep, I'm looking to increase my speed if possible. Also, stability could be improved (sometimes speeds go down).
This is my wireless adapter- [link]
I have an Xfinity Gateway 3 (which is 802.11ac). It's downstairs. Since it's far away, my connection is using 2.4Ghz. 5Ghz is not usable at this distance. Therefore, I think I should stick with my current adapter. An AC would basically be a waste of money since I can't even take advantage of its main feature (high speed 5Ghz speeds). I may be wrong, IDK.
some motherboards have WiFi built in, but not the one you linked..
so you'd have to buy something like this, which goes into the PCI slot in your motherboard.
I see. The only issue with the power line is the fact that it will be cumbersome since it has to go through a bunch of rooms and across the ceiling, etc. I think I'm going to buy this high quality wireless adapter for now:
and see if that gets me close to the speeds I want. If it doesn't then I'll return it and either settle for the ethernet power line or ask Verizon to move the fios box/router to my room. Thanks a lot for the help!
You have to buy one for a desktop unless you bought a special motherboard with WIFI preinstalled - You obviously didn't. Buy one of these and stick it in one of the small PCI slots next to your GPU. [link]
You could update and get something like [link]
and run the 5 ghz.
If you already on 2.5 ghz it could be that you have some interference on there but you never know either if the wireless router supports 2.5 and or 5 ghz.
I would report the issue to your land lord too because it could be there equipment and if you paying for it, might as well look at their end of it as well.
I forgot to mention that he wont have a convenient way to get a ethernet cable to the room where the PC will be in. I use this wifi adapter and gave me no problems, but it does require a pcie x1 slot.
One of my friends had the same issue, but his WiFi to the room in his house that his PC was in was utterly terrible. He used a Power Line Adapter which might be of more use to you?
Otherwise something like this I guess would do.
I reinstalled windows a few months ago. I'd say it's 4 months old or so
At school I have no problem connecting, and I had no problem connecting before we changed modems at home
I haven't recently installed anything, no.
I have not tried using a cable to connect because it's very inconvenient due to the layout of my house, but that will be a last resort for me if all else fails.
I built the computer myself, so it has no model. The network adapter is this guy
I don't know what model the modem is. It doesn't seem to have a name on it. It's got a Verizon logo and is thin and angular.
What is the capabilities of your current wifi card?
Get something like this
Distance is important factor though, you cannot expect to maintain a reliable wifi connection. You will probably get something close to 90 mbps.
Im kicking myself for not upgrading to a pcie wifi card sooner, not so much for maximum speed output but low/stable pings and no more dropped connections. You can notice a slight difference in web browsing/streaming but where you really notice it is in gaming or any applications that require a consistent connection. Using remote ubuntu boxes I would get disconnected a few times a day but now I can keep the connection open overnight and when I wake up it's still there. I don't have this particular card, I have this one from tp-link: [link] but I used to dismiss these cards as just an alternative to free up a USB port, not anymore.
This is also the only wifi adapter that has ever given me 5 bars, I used to max out at 3 even when I used amplified adapters or that grey one wardrivers use for finding wifi spots.
What kind of internet speeds are you getting?
2.4 vs 5 Ghz is unlikely to make a difference unless if you live where there is a lot of interference on the 2.4 Ghz frequency.
I would ditch the external USB wireless adapter and opt for a PCIe wireless card. Something like this
That's what I figured, but how do you do that with two hard drives running two different operating systems?
Here's what I was looking at getting btw:
1: I used this, it worked out of the box, no tinkering or drivers, if you have room... [link]
2: I didn't disable my iGPU but set my Primary Display graphics to PCIe rather than iGPU. Same results I guess. Oh, and plug your HDMI into your GPU obvs, use your "About this Mac" to check its displaying correct info.
3: As said, the hard part may be getting a proper UEFI instal. (see side bar).
4: Clover doesn't boot my W10 instal as its legacy, despite my attempts at making it EUFI, I'm happy just to boot from the bios menu though (f12 on start up).
How are you getting on with your build? I'm also planning an oculus / hackintosh machine and I think this sounds like a great build - I'm probably going to base mine or your design here (downgrading to just a GTX 970 though) so thanks for sharing this!
The only thing putting me off a mini ITX build is the Tony Mac X86 reccomendation of this PCIe card for native wifi bluetooth - but for this build the PCIe is used up by the GPU. How are you planning on getting wifi/bluetooth under OS X? I've never built a hackintosh so there's probably loads of solutions I don't know about...
Yeah I have wireless. At the moment I'm sitting on 4 bars on my connection strength, although it does commonly sit at 3. I only built my PC six months ago, so I doubt it's malware. When I built the PC however I bought quite a cheap wireless network adapter (this one to be exact [link]). My internet is at around 30 mbps upload and download, with fibre optics which i'm happy with. If I upgraded my adapter do you think that could be the solution?
OS X seems to be fairly picky about what type of WiFi card is used. I'd get this one. TonyMacX86 recommends it since it works perfectly with OS X right out of the box (no added kext).
Your other option is to use ethernet (assuming you've installed the correct ethernet kext).
Well, I'm actually thinking its not as the same issue happened when I was trying to get HDMI Audio to work and editting kexts. Had to do a fresh instal, all worked well, until Nvidia drivers installed then it wouldn't boot no matter what bootflag I used. Also cant boot OS X from USB anymore. Tried making new USB's and wiping the whole drive with Windows USB instal but that appears to have left enough of OS X on for the problem to persist. Using an SSD so cant use DBAN to nuke. Don't reallllly have any use for OS X in the living room (iMac steams to Apple TV for most media consumption) but it would have been nice. Annoyingly, everything went so well first couple of times around, no hitches or issues, until I got to getting a GPU working. Have also checked BIOS settings as Windows wouldn't work at first but was fine after I switched from Intel graphics.
Annnyway... yep, PCI card.. this one. Works perfectly.
1) you only need a non-stock cooler if you are going to overclock your cpu or if you want a quieter cooler. The stock is known to be a little louder.
2) when shopping for mobo's, look for things like, how many usbs or video outputs, pci-e 16 slots, ram speeds, slots, stuff like that. Mostly everything else will be the same with regards to the same cpu in two different mobos (in terms of chipsets and such)
3) 2 sticks vs 1 stick is the same. most mobo's have 4 slots so if you ever want 16 you can do 4x4. up to you.
4) not sure about this one. if you google R7 370 vs R9 380 you can see how much better the 380 is in terms of FPS in specific games or technical specs.
5) I have this and it works great. I am not sure how "bad" your $13 one you picked is, but for anything but gaming im sure they are all equatable.
wow 5 mbps is so bad, I cannot imagine this, sounds like a nightmare.
I'm currently looking at getting this one
bought this one and waiting for it to arrive, good reviews.
there is also a newer version
That seems to be a mini-pcie card, mostly those are for laptops, and, most full-size motherboards won't have a slot for it.
Your old card is PCI, you could just get another PCI card? (You could even get the same one if you were happy with the lifespan of the old one)
Alternatively, you should have some regular PCIe slots that probably aren't already taken, if so, this is an actual desktop card that is a step up: [link]
You could also just get something to plug into USB but, it might not perform as well.
EDIT: Gilded? Thank you mysterious redditor! I wonder who it was :D.
Wold getting a better wireless adapter help, like this one? [link]
Because my brother has a wireless adapter too and his internet is fine but his is in his computer similar to this one i think.
the relevant part is "802.11b/g/n" .. any wireless card or usb adapter you get nowadays will work with this modem-router. a quick search on amazon lists this card as their best seller:
Great Performance on the cheap just make sure you have an open PCI-E slot for it on your Motherboard. Much better than USB-dongles.
Well I'm not sure on this kind of thing, it's my first build. are they better? Theres this one, which is a best seller....
TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 N900 Wireless Dual Band PCI Express Adapter [link]
First off, you need to understand that Wifi will never be as good as Ethernet is, you'll always be slower.
But if that's the only choice, this is a higher end card. You can get them for about 10 bucks, but the quality degrades
I've never had good results with usb adapters. After doing all the basic troubleshooting (e.g., power cycling router and modem, uninstalling/ reinstalling drivers, trying ALL usb ports), I would just hardwire your (desktop?) until you can afford getting an internal wireless card.
I've used this in over 6 builds. No complaints so far.
Best of luck!
If you're looking to get gaming, generally speaking, anything more than a quad core CPU is not really any more useful since most games don't have multicore support. I'd get the i5 since Intel CPUs in my opinion have better architecture that allows it to perform better despite having lower clock speeds and cores.
Having said that, I have an AMD FX8350 and it works great.
I don't know how fast your wifi is, but if you have pretty good internet, I'd invest in a more capable wifi adapter like this one, only because I found that my old USB 2.0 adapter was a massive bottleneck to the speeds I was getting.
I used powerline with my build for about 3months before switching to this wireless card. I experienced about 20-30% slower speeds with the powerline adapter, and would frequently lose internet access for 15 seconds or so. With that wifi card, everything is fast and flawless. Having said all that, I have seen lots of people on here who have had vastly different results with powerline adapters.
tl;dr Your mileage may vary, but I can vouch for that PCI Express adapter.
This one is a very solid wifi nic. I've had a great experience with the few I've purchased. Though if you are going for high throughput between workstations an AC setup would be more useful
Ethernet is probably the fastest way, but you can buy a wireless connection card that will allow you to connect to wifi. I use this one but any number of them work.
That depends on how strong the signal of your router is. You might be better off getting a wifi card and installing it on your PC. USB adapters tend to say they give a certain speed but they usually don't live up for it. If you can't manage to use a cable, I strongly advise you look into something like this.
I jut returned a TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 for this one, and I strongly agree it's the way to go. I was getting 10-25 Mbps down and 55 Mbps up with the TP-LINK. I spent tons of time troubleshooting it and came up with nothing other than to try a new card. With the Gigabyte I am now consistently getting 60/60.
TL;DR DEFINITELY go with the Gigabyte
I personally have this one, and it was super easy to install.
I'd recommend a PCIe one over a USB one.
Well, a usb wireless adapter is pretty much as bad as it gets for network performance. USB 3 probably wouldn't help, since 1) your computer has to have a USB3 port and 2) a big limitation of USB is the small antenna size and power which USB3 won't fix.
If you HAVE to go wireless, then I would suggest a PCI wireless card. [link]
That will get you a decent signal, at least, but no guarantees that it is going to be sufficient for streaming.
Lastly, unless your house is prewired for ethernet, you aren't going to be able to utilize any wall plates for a connection unless you are on DSL. The best this can do for you is act as a pull string for CAT5/6 cord to be run instead, but unless you're hiring someone for that I doubt it's really feasible for you.
Hope that helps.
That card has some issues with drivers on Windows 8 and 10.
If you need something with a 5 Ghz band this is available and this is what I use. Works out fine in my case.
Generally motherboards don't come with wifi built in unless it is specified. Most of the time you have to buy a wifi card that will go into one of the pci slots on the motherboard. The motherboard in my suggested built does not come with built in wifi so you would have to get a card. This is an example of a wifi card. You would have to check for compatibility with your router and motherboard though.
Edit: I'm not the most knowledgeable on wifi cards, so you might have to do some research to find the right one.
i completed my first build last week and everything was working fine, till about 2 days ago when my internet started lagging terribly. skype was laggy and especially my ping in LoL was 1-200 higher than what i'm used to. i use this wifi card. i did speedtests (normal), and on my laptop (same wifi signal), everything runs normally.
i haven't changed anything about my new pc, i don't have access to an ethernet port and i can't move my desktop significantly closer to my router.
there could be a very large chance that he was running watercooling and needed all the extra fans to put on the radiators? Im just saying that fan setup might be a little extreme given the build you've got going. as far as wifi card compatibility, im not sure, really sorry :/ judging by the amazon reviews it should be fine just plug it in, have drivers installed, and you're good to go [link]
edit: i take that back, after looking at an image of the motherboard it does not have the PCI Express slot you need so no, I do not think that motherboard will work.
Here's the one I recommend.
IF your router is dual-band, this is amazing since it runs off of the 5Ghz frequency. If your router is not, well, it is still a very nice adapter :P
I know it's a little more expensive but I have this one and I recommend it.
I would go with this. Its better than a USB dongle because it connects directly to your motherboard.
My belief is that you don't really have to spend much on a fancy Wifi card because most of us don't have gigabit wifi anyways. I would just use something like this. Its cheap, has AMAZING reviews and 3 antennas and supports up to 450mbps. If that isn't enough speed for you, I'm jealous of your internet :)
How is this one.
Best I can say is I know for a fact that
works perfectly on CentOS 6.4 on both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz networks. Plug and play. Given that CentOS 6.4 runs a much older kernel than Ubuntu 14.04 would, I'd say that's a good bet.
Also there are high reviews from people running it on 14.04.
One more question, are there any compatibility things I should keep in mind or are PCIe Wifi cards pretty much universal and will be compatible? Im willing to spend a bit more if it means improved performance/connectivity etc. I'll browse around. This one seems like an impressive one [link]
Thanks again for the help, too
I can't help you on the build rundown, but as for a wireless card, I would suggest a PCI-E one like this TP LINK card, given that you are not using 802.11AC. I would certainly not recommend purchasing USB ones simply because they overheat often. It should be fine in the back of the computer, mine's under a desk and still gets roughly 40 dBm (5 bars). If it isn't cutting it, you can use standard RP-SMA coaxial antenna extenders (basically extension cords) to run out of a basement if that were the case.
Unless you plan on overclocking, you don't need the "K" series of your processor, unless you plan on video editing a lot you don't need 16 GB of ram. Save the money from there and get a 970 or 290x.
Ninja Edit (?): UNless you have shit internet, do NO go skimpy with the wireless adapater, do NOT make the same mistake I did, go with this one: [link]
That's a very low end wireless card. You probably have corrupt drivers. I'd wipe them and reinstall from the latest from their website. If that doesn't do it. At least move up to a better brand, you can get a cheap TPLink that I've had good experiences with.
And look to the future of your network and go ahead and grab a dual band for 5Ghz.
It's only $35.
And a new adapter, I had the one she's got, it worked okay for a week then slowed down to a crawl doing basic internet browsing, get this one it works a million times better
So I got this [one] ([link]}
it's basically the same as yours but with a higher speed and dual band, my reckoning was to go from £8 to £25 is nothing compared to the build so why not
Wait, so I can put the nic in the full size PCIex16 slot? The card is the kind where it only has the short pinset, like 1'' long or so. It's this model: https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WDN4800-Wireless-network-Adapter/dp/B007GMPZ0A/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=tp+link+n900&qid=1553612105&s=electronics&sr=1-3
This one can go in the full size PCIx16 bank at the bottom of the board and work correctly??
I do not believe this is a Wireless N adapter? Wireless N are on board and USB, right? (Again, I know almost nothing about network cards)
I like the TP-Link TL-WDN4800. It has a decent speed and works in both Windows and Linux.
What type of budget-friendly are we talking? I have this one and it served me well until I switched to an ITX case. Gets great reviews, too.
What is the difference between the one you gave me and this one?
I purchased this should be ok?
Well in that case spend 40 or so bucks on a better WiFi antenna like this
TP-Link N900 Wireless Dual Band PCI-Express Adapter (TL-WDN4800) [link]
Yeah, an internal WiFi card is preferred example but a USB dongle would work. Having access to a wired connection for setup right now would be helpful
Follow up question:
Is this not compatible with windows 10?
I've been very happy with these : TP-Link Wireless Dual Band PCI Express Adapter (TL-WDN4800) [link]
Does that board already have wifi compatibility or do I need to buy an adapter thing? Like one of these: [link]
Just get a pcie 1x adapter from like Linksys or tp-link
Edit: here's the one I use
>Is there a reason why you use that card?
This one is cheaper ($35) and it claims to reach speeds of 450 Mbps, whereas the one you have ($50) goes up to 3 Mpbs. [link]
Actually, it goes up to 867 mbps
>I can't seem to find any reliable reviews of wifi cards?? I find this really odd that nobody's really covered it.
Probably because most people will choose to use ethernet cables instead of wifi.
>Are wifi cards still a thing?
Yes, they're still a thing.
Why would you want an external wireless adapter when you could put it in your PC instead? I'd prefer this instead.
You’ll need a WiFi adapter here’s one
Saw this from a quick search on Amazon, seems pretty good.
I believe the b350 does not come with one. If you're wanting to go wireless, get this. [link]
Really? It doesn’t look like it would fit. We’re talking about this right? Sorry just clarifying
Would one like this [link] be compatible
It is a pci-e Card. This one
Built the computer myself and I have a Galaxy S7
No, it's for the antennas to stick out of the case
[link] like the antennas on this
I'm wondering what is a good wifi adapter to buy for my computer. I've recently purchased two separate wifi adapters in an attempt to match the speeds my phone [nexus 6p] gets on the wifi in my apartment.
My phone gets 150mbps, while both of the adapters I've bought struggle to hit even 50mbps. I bought this adapter as well as this adapter. I figured the first one didn't match the speeds because it didn't use 802.11ac, however upon getting the second one it also has terrible speeds.
Tethering my phone to my computer [and disabling mobile data] gets the same speeds on my computer as on the phone, so I don't think it is a problem with my computer specifically but I'm not sure.
edit: on all adapters and phone I've been connecting to a 5G access point that is relatively distant away, a floor up of my room.
This is a pretty popular one, relatively cheap
Did you updated the driver for the one you have?
This is the one I use right now. I haven't had any issues with it, and I've consistently gotten good speed and latency using it, but I'm on Linux so I'm not sure how well it works on WIndows.
Something like this. Dunno if this is a good one because I haven't done my research, but it'll set you down the right path. It's only applicable if you're planning to use wifi.
For a desktop, would this USB ball or a PCIe adaptor be better? [link]
i have this
i have the n900
Is a wireless PCI card my best option if I don't have Ethernet in my room?
If so, is this card good, and will it work with Windows 10?
Ok, thanks for the info. I'll probably settle on something cheap like this then, 450Mb/s really isn't that bad
This is a pretty popular one: [link]
Are these compatible?
It's called a wireless network card, and most plug into PCI or PCI Express.
When I reluctantly (read: was forced) moved to wireless, I started with a TP-Link because it was much cheaper than ASUS, and I don't typically buy branding hype.
It was a mistake, gaming was impossible. I later moved to ASUS and it was much better, but it will never compare to wired gaming. The intermittent drops that you don't notice when surfing the web became all too apparent when gaming.
What not to buy.
What I bought and could live with.
You need a wireless card like this one
Buy a wifi adapter, that's pretty standard fare. Get this guy.
any z270 motherboard with decent reviews should be good.
these are good pcie wifi cards: [link]
pick either N or AC depending on what your router can do
Some motherboards have onbaord wifi, but I've never used one and can't vouch for how good it is: [link]
Any recommendations for a PCIE network adapter?
I don't need bluetooth
Currently looking at
There's a popular TP-Link one. Can't remember the name of it.
Edit: Found it
Here's some good info:[link].
I personally cheaped out and bought a replacement pci adapter for hp desktop since it costs $10 for dual band wifi so I can't really personally recommend you one from experience. This one seems to be popular though: [link]
Is this the one you're talking about?
so, there is a slot on the motherboard for the card to go in, right? If that's the case, where do the antenna go?
Network Card: [link]
Router: Huawei HG635 Talk Talk Super Router
The card ([link]), while nothing special is relatively new.
how do i connect to the 5? by just turning off the 2.4?
Just to follow up on this I ended up buying a TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 N900 and a iogear GBU521W6 as a quick fix but that didn't work for me either the wifi was great and the bluetooth worked but Handoff etc didn't work so I chanced it and I bought the Fenvi and that worked out the box with handoff etc the only problem I'm having now is imessage and phone calls work but it seems to only work at certain times of the day which is weird or it could be just after my hack as been on a hour or so but handing off to safari/chrome etc works everytime, so I'll look into that next but thanks for everyone's input.
how does this compare to this? [link]
Get this with the money you save on mobo.
Actually, if you want to get wifi for your PC, you don't need to buy a new motherboard. There are wifi cards you can buy, like [this one]([link] (which plugs directly into your motherboard) (which plugs directly into your motherboard) or this one (which you plug into a usb port in the front/back of your computer).
But yes, the motherboard generally doesn't get upgraded on its own too often.
Here's the thing though, different generations and brands of CPU use different motherboard sockets, meaning that if you were to buy a new Intel CPU, it wouldn't be compatible with your current motherboard. You'd have to buy a new motherboard that is compatible with the series/generation of the CPU you're buying.
The power supply doesn't really need to be upgraded unless you need the extra wattage or you currently have a lower-quality power supply. A higher-quality PSU should last several years.
You're right about the ram - it doesn't usually get upgraded unless you need more. However, with Intel's skylake chips that came out a year or two ago, DDR4 ram became the new standard. It's not cross-compatible with DDR3, the previous standard; as a result of that, when you buy a new CPU and motherboard (if it's Skylake or newer), you'll also have to buy all new DDR4 ram as well, as you won't be able to use DDR3.
Depending on usage case, I'd say the most often upgraded part is the GPU.
I have 150 Mbps internet at my place. Do I need a wireless card with 802.11ac 5GHz or is 802.11n 5GHz sufficient for these speeds?
I will probably either buy this 802.11n or this 802.11ac unless anyone has any recommendations or can find any cards that are cheaper on Amazon (I have gift card balance that I would prefer to spend)
Will this network card work with this motherboard? Is it a universal thing?
Also, what is the best way to buy Windows 10? Do you guys spend 100 dollars on the OS for every build?
Also, any good deals on a HDD happening right now?
I was thinking of putting the TP-Link N900 or Ac1300
Would this work?
Echoing others, I threw this in mine for those days I go to a buddy's place and wiring up isn't feasible.
TP Links cards have been good to me. Here's a solid one.
I have the TP Link N900 in my tower and it works really well. I would suggest getting one with AC support, though.
I would absolutely recommend a pci wireless card vs the usb stick you linked. As for whether or not it will solve your problem, that depends. Are other wireless devices having similar issues? If so, you'll want to look into upgrading your router. At the very least though, upgrading to a pci card will help your situation. I gather you're not US based, but something like this is what I consider the cheapest acceptable solution, and if you're paying for 32mb down, it's probably all you need.
What you want to pay attention to and what you would want to pay more for will depend on your hardware, and your house setup. Wireless N and AC are the current standards (AC being newer), you can read up on them here (sorry, forbes was the best article I could find quickly).
I have this in my tower and it works really well.
Isn't that the outdated version of this?
Is it a desktop or laptop? "Best" can be a bit subjective when we're balancing affordable. Personally, I wouldn't want to go below a dual band n adapter, but you can very easily save money by going to a single band n. You could also look at going with a powerline adapter, which can potentially be a lot more reliable.
Edit: Bonus high end wifi card for comparison's sake. It's also worth noting that there's no sense in getting an ac card if you have an n router, unless you're willing to spend extra dollars to future-proof yourself.
I don't use wifi much, but this is the one I have
I would definitely do something to try and get that 60mbps.
Is it a seperate router and modem or combined? Do you know if the router is dualband? If so, purchase a dual band wireless card like [link]
Better yet, get a power line adapter.
Insert standard anti-prebuilt comment here.
A wireless card is something that looks like this, the silver half of which would be visible on the back of your PC.
If you don't have one you've got a few options.
This is the one I use
You're going to need either a WiFi PCIe card
, or a USB WiFi adapter if you're not looking for a permanent solution.
That said, I'd highly recommend working out a pathway for an Ethernet cable to your PC, and I'd that's not an option you could look into Powerline.
Maybe it's because your network adapter is crap. Mine is a TP link one and it works just fine.
Network Adapter: [link]
I also talked to someone who said a speedtest is only to the router. I would advise trying to download a large file (probably a steam game) and seeing what your DL speed is there, during the middle of the night for the least interference.
Something like this would be fine.
I've been using the TP-LINK N900 for a couple years now with no issues. Might be worth a shot!
Is this within your budget?
Does up to N speed and has 5GHz band.
If ethernet isn't possible get the chip the one I have in my build is this one :[link] and I haven't had any problems with it
I would use 2x4 GB sticks of RAM to take advantage of dual channel. And for a wireless adapter, many people use this: [link]
ok so it doesn't support AC but this is a good one.
yea np, I found this one kinda like Finally's card, one by Gigabyte and one by ASUS. they all have pretty good reviews overall but their latest reviews all seem to be rather negative (like in regards to windows 10).
Here are some links (cause I suck at linking them to words)
My card of choice: [link]
Do already have a wireless router? If so what bands?
I would recommend this card:
I heard people from Australia buy amazon in the uk.
This is the one I have and it's great.
This is the cheapest version of it. I don't know how good it is but its got 4&1/2 star review.
That would be your best bet.
I'm using this and so far its great.
You could also run an Ethernet cord to your tower.
If you don't want to run a cord this is a good middle ground
Ask your friend how it worked for him. If he said it was crap than you know its not just you it's the card.
Wow, huge thanks for the long reply, I really appreciate it : )
So would a network card like this ([link]) get me better results?
Or alternately would this also work with the advantage of not having to open up my computer ([link])
As for Powerline Ddaptors are their any you would recommend? I have some of those in Italy and lets just say I don't have a good track record with them.
You'll need a pci express wifi adapter card like this. Basically more expensive=better range. Everything looks compatible, but if you put your build into [link] it will warn you if something isn't and it checks different stores for prices. I would also add a small SSD like the PNY CS1311 or Adata SP550 if you can squeeze it in budget, those make a huge difference in how fast everything feels. What are you using the system for? That's a very high end CPU for a non-gaming build
my cousin has this and she loves it
I have this:
Willing to do it for 15 posted.
thats what I was thinking, but it honestly wasn't this bad when I first put it in. I was gonna go ahead and buy this - [link]
Hmmm this is the network adapter I have (I recently built a new PC) and it seems the speeds are just as good and consistent [link]
If you don't have wifi on your machine right now, then yes. If you have a PCIe slot available, a wifi pcie card is like $40 on Amazon
it is a TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 N900 Wireless Dual Band PCI Express Adapter ([link]) (Qualcomm Atheros AR938x Wireless Network Adapter)
I have used this one for a while and it works great for me.
Though it doesn't have Bluetooth.
This is what I use.
There are wireless adapter cards that go in a pci-e slot on your mobo. If you are worried about the space inside your case or you want to save that slot for something else there are also usb dongles that do the same thing. Like above, these may not be the best models, they are just quick example of what to look for.
I have used this one for a while and its great: [link]
Thanks, that helps so so much. Does it matter what card I buy or can I just buy a cheap card? This card seems pretty good based on the reviews, but will it affect my ping (ms) in games at all? TP-LINK N900
Edit: Just did a little research and this much more expensive one is supposedly much higher quality, but is it really 3x (the price) better? ASUS AC 1900
This is what i have and it seems to do the job. although wired is definitely better, i'm stuck with powerlines for when i am using my desktop at home. Definitely recommend the UniFi AP family though. They're a sub-favorite for a reason.
USB WiFi modules are fairly low power...since you have a desktop PC, you might try a PCI Express WiFi card like this. Assuming you have an available port for it.
I use that in my gaming PC which is on a different level of my house (diagonal distance maybe 30 feet?). I get 14 MB/s downloads from fast servers...well over 100 Mbps (and exceeding my ISP claims).
Here is the .co.uk link since one of your links was .co.uk, I assume you are in Europe.
Yup. Assuming you have a free PCIe slot, they are about $40. If you can run an ethernet cable without making your apartment floor look like crap, that would be better.
this on 5ghz I havent noticed any difference compared to an ethernet cable
You can get something like this: [link]
although the cat may attack the antennae
I'll replace the wireless adapter with [link]
and the SSD with [link]
I have this. It says it connects to 5GHz
Heres the #1 selling pcie wifi card on Amazon for $40: [link]
It uses 802.11a/b/g/n but there's a more expensive card 75$ if your looking for 802.ac (higher bandwidth): [link] .
But remember your wifi is only good as your weakest link so if you go 802.ac you'd probably need a better router to get the most out of it. Also depends on your internet provider plan. I'd stick with the first choice because of your budget
I use the first one w/o issue
I use TP Link's N900 Wireless Adapter (Model No. TL-WDN4800).
Link to it on amazon, also note that it is PrimeCampus
If you haven't heard yet, Amazon is directly affiliated with UMass and you can finds details about it at umass.amazon.com.
If you have any other questions please feel free to ask.
Definitely go to the Microcenter. They have some great deals sometimes.
As far as other parts, that motherboard doesn't have on board WiFi, so if you want WiFi, you'll need to pick up a wireless network adapter. I use this one and it works great, but I've heard good things about this one as well.
And yes you can downgrade back to your previous version of Windows if you do it within the month. I don't exactly know how, but I'm sure there are guides online, or through contacting Microsoft.
any wifi card will do really, also, connection strength will vary from user to user, dont really need to buy anything fancy, just get the most recommended one
EDIT: was going for this one but then i found out about powerline adapters
Assuming a PCI-E 1x slot : [link]
I own one and am quite happy with it.
More likely than not, you won't be able to fully utilize the speed the wireless card you chose supports. I have a TP-Link WDN-4800 and I haven't had any issues with it.
I had this same issue with this card, I was just about to RMA it but I read the 1 star reviews and saw this as the top comment:
>This is my second card I have attempted to use. The first I assumed DOA... The second could not be detected either. Here was the remedy I had to perform on my ASUS SABERTOOTH z87 motherboard. Enter BIOS, Ensure on the newest BIOS. Enter advanced settings. Then proceed to locate my PCIe settings. Turn off AUTO, and select 1X to slow down the PCIe lane width to support the 1x wireless card you just installed. The card is lacking the capacity to dial down the PCIe port on its own... Which explains why so many people cannot install it.
Might need to do something similar to this, you can read more about PCI-E bandwidth here.
i used to have issues when I ran a USB wifi adapter, I would strongly recommend something like this if you don't get any other resolutions.
this one is what I recommend for under $40.
This should do fine.
After a lot of google searching and a phone call to comcast WE have fixed the problem! My wireless wifi card doesn't work well with windows 10. I downloaded a new driver(for windows 7) and now it works. Oh btw I have a tl-wdn4800 but this is what it looked like before the driver and after the driver Thanks for the help! EDIT the before and after are backwards
Yeah you'll need a wireless card. To answer your next question. I have this one and it works great. If you want to save a little money, this one is also good, but it doesn't have dual band wireless.
I never have a problem unless it's Comcast's modem needing to be reset [link]
I use this.
Thanks. So like this?
That is what a lot of people I know who have wifi cards use.
[link] This card was just recommended to me over the one you sent me, do you agree?
Something like this, and just a little bluetooth dongle
[link] Works great
4.5 star rating after 1600+ reviews is always a good sign.
sorry was looking for something along the lines of
You have couple options.
One: A wireless adapter card. There are many out there. Some PCI based some USB based. PCI ones are generally better, but sometimes not, because you can better position the USB ones antenna. Examples here and here
Another option is powerline adapters. They are a hit or miss depending on your houses electrical wiring. An example is here
Your final option is to use a second router. You can have a second router and have it act as a repeater for the first router. You then using an Ethernet cable plug your PC into its LAN port. This is the most expensive option but can yield the best results on WIFI. You would just need to make sure you buy a compatible router and such.
EDIT: All of the examples I gave may not be the best option for you. They were examples. What you need depends on how good you base station router is, type of residence and distance to the router.
After a month of research, I settled on the TP-LINK TL-WDN4800. I've been using it for a year and have no complaints.
[link] , had the same problem as you got this and it works great with gtx 980.
no, but this is pretty good.
I use a TPLINK WDN4800. It's roughly 38$, but it works great. I get up to 7 MB/s in Steam downloads.
PCI-E has more bandwidth and looks nicer since most of the time Antennas are the only thing sticking out which looks clean compared to a long stick.
If you're in need of options, there's this PCI-E adapter for 37 or the model down for 19 or the basic model for 12.
No it's not. I have this: [link]
I would still like ac though because I have Apple devices that support it.
This will work well
I went with this one for my first build. Still waiting on my processor though so I haven't had a chance to try it out. I've heard good things though.
I got this one.
I can do $30 shipped. Will post timestamp when requested.
This one works for me (PCI-e). I still only get 4 bars due to location, but the speed and ping have been excellent.
Ah that could explain it. That's a pretty weak device for an AP that's 2 floors away. You might think about replacing it with something that has an antenna - like
this is the one I'm currently using and i can't complain. It has dual band capabilities, fast data transfer rate, and 3 antennas for great reception.
TPLink and Asus both make decent wireless cards and neither are terribly expensive, though the ones I've used (and the only ones I found with a cursory Amazon search) were wi-fi-only.
I use this wireless card and for bluetooth I just plugged in one of these. Decent range and reliability on both. I've never had any problems pairing bluetooth devices or connecting to my home wi-fi that were hardware- related.
Why not something like this?
Or if that's too complicated for you how about this?
Is there any chance you can get the exact name of your wireless card? you can simply go to the maker's website and try updating your drivers.
Also I'd like to know the motherboard, its hard to tell now whether you have a dedicated wireless card, or you're using one thats built into your motherboard.
As for my recommendations you should definitley stay on rj45 if you plan on doing any fps games or anything that require low ping, but if you need a replacement if wifi is the only option, you can go for this or this (depending how much gain from the antennae you need).
That speed is very slow. I also prefer to stay away from USB wireless adapters; it's not like you'll be unplugging that thing very often, so you might as well keep it in the case!
Based on this thread [[link]] I bought this adaptor [[link]] and it was plug and play with Mint :) I tested using 2.4gHz and 5gHz, and I get the same speed as my wired connection.
Since ASUS decided to drop GPT formatted drive booting support, you'll have to install the bootloader to the EFI partition if you wish to keep using the Unibeast method. Also be sure to install TRIM support for your SSD in multibeast.
HOW TO INSTALL THE BOOTLOADER TO THE EFI PARTITION:
If you really wanna avoid this in the future and when you learn more about Hackintoshes, then you will discover that Clover will solve alot more problems and such, even the booting problem because by deafult Clover is an EFI bootloader. :) BTW Clover will bring not only Legacy support but also UEFI support for those who like it. I personally say to everyone if your current legacy Chimera/Chameleon install is working fine, then there really is no need for Clover, unless they wanna experiment. In which case, you should always make a backup.
As fpr your wifi card, it seems it no longer is supported in OS X Yosemite or any recent OS X version such as Mavericks or Mountain lion either. Maybe you could send it back if its new and dish out a few more bucks for the TP-Link TL-WDN4800 Wifi adapter. Its usually like 30-40 bucks, but trust me, even as a high schooler with a tight budget, it was worth the money. Its an amazing adapter even dual booting with windows. Works out of the box in Yosemite on most installs.
I've finally settled on the build I want and from what I can tell, everything's gonna fit in place. My only concern is that I want to add a PCI-e network wifi card and the motherboard won't have enough slots for it along with everything else.
I think it's just me not having a complete understanding of PCI and SATA interfaces but if someone could just reassure me I'm not being an idiot, I'd appreciate it.
This is the motherboard, a Z97
And this is the network card.
Yeah, right now I'm torn between this TP Link and this Asus.
TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 Dual Band Wireless N900 PCI Express Adapter,2.4GHz 450Mbps/5Ghz 450Mbps, Include Low-profile Bracket [link]
It's amazing and super easy to install, even worked in bios.
This card works really well. TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 Dual Band Wireless N900 PCI Express Adapter,2.4GHz 450Mbps/5Ghz 450Mbps, Include Low-profile Bracket [link]
Make sure not to install the packaged software though. Just install the part, ensure that youre connected via Ethernet at first, then start up and let windows do the automatic hardware install. Works like a charm.
Thank you so much! The first setup looks great. I'm not huge fan of the white case though. Do you know of any alternatives perhaps in black that would also fit all of the internals?
Oh I also forgot to mention that I'll be needing a wireless adapter as well. I found this online. It seems like it would fit the job well.
This is what i use, its pretty damn good and its got a small form factor so it will fit even in mini ATX PCs: [link]
and was not sure if I should get the 750W PSU
The processor will come with a stock fan but if you're going to be putting any pressure on it then you will definitely want to switch it out. The 212 I linked you to will do the job and it's excellent value for money.
People will tell you to opt for watercooling but if you ask me it's more hassle than it's worth and will only benefit you if you're constantly putting your rig under serious pressure
I was going to get this one, Seems a solid fast and relatively future proof, no Bluetooth though! Dual band and 480mbps.
Picking up one of these would help big time. The multiple antennas serve as multiple connections and no dropped wifi.
My kid uses this and it is a great card for the price.
Is there a reason why you use that card?
This one is cheaper ($35) and it claims to reach speeds of 450 Mbps, whereas the one you have ($50) goes up to 3 Mpbs.
I notice Austin Evans in this video uses AC900 Tp link, but when I click on the provided link, it took me to a refurbished model for 65$. So I don't know if he's recommending refurb on this, or if it's a mistake. New one is $90.
LINK TO TPLINK AC900 [link]
I can't seem to find any reliable reviews of wifi cards?? I find this really odd that nobody's really covered it. Linus covered one from ASUS four years ago...
Are wifi cards still a thing? What are people doing these days?
I have this one, [link], and I absolutely love it. I am about 40 feet and 3 walls from it and I get the full connection of my internet. Granted its only 80mps.
This is SOOOOO good
How about this one?
(If the link isn't working, I mean the AC1300)
Thanks for the reply.
So you think maybe this would be ok? Most of the Amazon reviews seem to be positive.
Wait what the fuck?
This is kinda non-related but I have a question about wireless signals and setups in general for aiding in cracking methods.
I plan to add a wireless card to my desktop however I would like to cap the max (20 dbm) signal on the card. The card is listed below and comes with 3 2dbm antennas.
I would like to purchase 3 of the below antennas that are 7 dbm (which would total 21 dbm together?)
Would adding 3 of the D-LINK antennas work with this setup while maxing out the signal strength of the network card? I'm curious if spreading the antennas out as far as they could would have any impact or if they combine signal strength. Still learning how wireless hardware works.
My mistake, it says 450Mbps. Here, have a look - https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-WDN4800-Wireless-Express-Antennas/dp/B007GMPZ0A/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8