I have a sump pump https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L54HB83 with 10' of silicone tubing attached. 3' piece of soft copper for the "wand".
Works GREAT. Cost about $50 total.
We also mix nutes in Trash cans, but had up to 3 recipes going at the same time (3 cans, of course).
Not siphoning but you can get a submersible pump and pump the water up and out. Doesn’t have to be this one but here’s an example https://www.amazon.com/VIVOSUN-Submersible-Fountain-Aquarium-Hydroponics/dp/B07L54HB83/ref=zg_bs_2975475011_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=S3KXYE0ZW9XNGZVN3J2B and actually looking at this one it says max lift height 10ft so you may have to find a stronger one but that’s the basic idea.
My old sink sprayer had a removable aerator. I could then use a fairly standard adaptor piece that you can get at most hardware stores.
I have a different sprayer now and I ended up switching over to use a cheap submersible pump (this one listed for $25 at Amazon). That pump has a few hose fittings. I connected a short piece of a 1/2" hose to the pump and connect my chiller to that. I start off by pumping cool tap water through the chiller. Towards the end of chilling, I then pump ice water through the chiller so I can get down to pitching temps. It has been working great for me.
I am a bit surprised there are not standard adaptors to attach a garden hose to a sprayer. One issue is this wide range of different threads used across manufacturers.
Unlikely that nutrient is damaging pumps. But to correct some things. First, a typical pump used in hydroponics. I have used a dozen of these in all kinds of service, many in 24/7 service with no failures. It is adequate for any application of moving water, except lifting it to a significant height. It will easily flow nutrient around four RDWC totes. There are no "gears." In fact, no physical connection between the impeller and the motor.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83
These and most every small pump you will see in hydro service are magnetic pumps. One clue is that they never show a pressure rating. The pressure capacity is so low that in my ebb and flow systems, simply the pressure exerted by the full tray is enough to reduce the flow to a level where it cannot overrun the overflow. With these pumps in our typical operations, it's flow that matters, not pressure. The motor spins a magnet that is entirely enclosed with the motor. The magnet effect turns the impeller.
That has several implications. One is that it is capable of very little pressure because only the magnetic coupling spins the impeller. Therefore, they have low head ratings. But it also means that running against an obstruction causes no harm. This type of pump cannot cavitate and could not be harmed if it could. So you can use a valve to bring the output flow down very low. The backpressure is no problem for a mag pump. Nor is running without resistance, so long as it's not running dry. It is not good for it to run dry for a long time, since the simple bearing can heat. but I've had them run dry for hours and days without harm.
I used the same pumps to drive my venturi aerators.
Moving nutrient around is easy. You just need a magnetic pump with at least twice the head rating as the height it has to pump. This one serves me for nearly everything.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83
What you do with it at the top is another matter. In a recirculating DWC setup, you would pump up to the tank, and it would drain back from a drain line installed high on the growing tank wall. In ebb and flow, you can pump into the tray through a port in the bottom or low on the wall. It continuously pumps, and a drain riser limits the depth and takes it back to the reservoir. When the time stops the pump, it drains back through the pump for the dry cycle.
For multiple simultaneous uses, Make up a manifold with lines to the individual pots or whatever. Drain them back into another manifold to return.
Small drip tubing will do for feeding things like drip containers. 1/2" irrigation line can supply water and will slip-on fit onto many adapters and connectors. Always leave return lines a bit larger, in case something clogs.
It is too early to call it a "favorite" but I just picked up a $20 submersible pump off Amazon. So far I have used it 1) to pump ice water through my immersion chiller (so I can actually get my batch down to pitching temps when my tap water runs at 73F) and 2) to pump cleaner through my tap lines and other transfer hoses (vs just soaking them in a bucket of cleaner and flushing them with some water).
I got this one. It is cool that it has barbs that connect to common hose sizes, but would be even cooler if it had one for 3/8" ID tubing as well. I connected a small piece of a garden hose and then can connect different adaptors to that.
I just ordered this one to see how it does. 800 gph, hopefully it gives me the force I need since I won't be using barely any of it's capable lift.
VIVOSUN 800GPH Submersible Pump(3000L/H, 24W), Ultra Quiet Water Pump with 10ft High Lift, Fountain Pump with 5ft Power Cord, 3 Nozzles for Fish Tank, Pond, Aquarium, Statuary, Hydroponics https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L54HB83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_JBZPDC4X27YEKJM5F71A?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I wish it was faster
This is a link to a similar produce. They are a dime a dozen and just rebranded. 500 gph is plenty if you want other options. https://www.amazon.com/VIVOSUN-Submersible-Fountain-Aquarium-Hydroponics/dp/B07L54HB83/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=Pond+pump&qid=1627577066&sr=8-4
Could the pipe with lower water level be sloped at a greater angle than the others? If that’s not it, if you can share some photos of your setup I can try and help.
This is the pump I’m using, 24W: VIVOSUN 800GPH Submersible Pump(3000L/H, 24W), Ultra Quiet Water Pump with 10ft High Lift, Fountain Pump with 5ft Power Cord, 3 Nozzles for Fish Tank, Pond, Aquarium, Statuary, Hydroponics https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L54HB83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_RC4778YPA2H1DHBB10DE?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I’m using a stop valve to dial down the flow because even with the pump turned all the way down it pumps too much solution. The flow rate that I run is very low, like picture pouring water out of a water bottle pretty slowly, that’s the best explanation I can give right now lol.
https://www.amazon.com/VIVOSUN-Submersible-Fountain-Aquarium-Hydroponics/dp/B07L54HB83/ref=zg_bs_2975475011_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QEDN81CAVVRF1RGVRE4G you could try this. Just need some tubing and then drop the pump in your aquarium and plug it in.
This is what I got VIVOSUN 800GPH Submersible Pump(3000L/H, 24W), Ultra Quiet Water Pump with 10ft High Lift, Fountain Pump with 5ft Power Cord, 3 Nozzles for Fish Tank, Pond, Aquarium, Statuary, Hydroponics https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L54HB83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_dlC_Q87WFbZXYJAMY?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
How exactly are you hooking a garden hose to this?
I use two of those too. One is for indoor plants, 9 of them. The other is for seedlings, 27 of those. Decent pumps if you're only doing a handful of pots that aren't too far apart. I use this pump for my outdoor pots.
Why not just get a fountain pump? They’re rated at max head. Pumps really operate on a curve. Less head = higher flow and vice versa.
VIVOSUN 800GPH Submersible Pump(3000L/H, 24W), Ultra Quiet Water Pump with 10ft High Lift, Fountain Pump with 5ft Power Cord, 3 Nozzles for Fish Tank, Pond, Aquarium, Statuary, Hydroponics https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L54HB83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_HzLxFb3QF4YS4
The problem with these is they seem to be quite large. I'm not sure how well they'll fit in a 1/3HP glycol chiller.
Wondering if something like this might do the trick. I could always put my chiller on a stand and save a few feet.
Water pumps from Amazon will definitely work. I think what is more important than speed of pump is the head lift of pump. Your tank doesn't sit very high off ground does it?
Here is a good one and advertised with 10ft of head lift.
And its under 20 bucks too!
that's one option - but you are basically paying a huge huge markup for a plastic bucket and some connectors.
I built my own tank less flush kit for maybe $50. $25 of it was the pump itself (amazon)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
few feet of tubing from HD and some basic adapters and I had my flush kit and kept an extra $90 in my pocket :)
This is the type of setup I want. My current grow is sorta getting underway already so I probably can't rig this up for this time around, but I'll tinker with something like this for next time.
Is a pump like this what I need?
I'm basically going to be following this hardware build.
I'll be using expanded clay pebbles as medium (I'll use geolite or hydroton), dyna-gro GROW, then BLOOM neutrients, 2" net cups, a basic PH UP and DOWN kit, and basic PH, TDS/EC meter. A basic high-head height pond water pump.
I have some 5 gallon buckets hanging around, but ill probabkt just go buy a new food-grade one at lowes (with a lid!) when I grab the PVC. Additionally, UV light damages and degrades regular schedule 40 PVC, making it brittle over time. It's a good idea to paint it to protect it.
If you don't have a heat gun, a good hair dryer might get you there, or you can buy a basic one at Harbour Freight for cheap.
For rootstock, get an everbearing or day-neutral variety. I haven't decided which one to do yet.
For maintenance, i'll follow this chart to maintain the correct TDS/EC/PH.
Good luck!
They are all magnetic pumps. No difference.
This is my standard for things like rain towers or anything where I need height. Rated at ten feet. I have run several of them without a failure. The rain tower pumps are lifting seven feet with ease and provide a useful flow at that height.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83/
But that is usual that, as you reach the rated lift, the flow drops to near zero, so buy a higher rating than the actual lift you need. The design of these pumps do not provide for them running very high pressure, so you will see them rated for LPH and not for PSI.
I use a smaller, cheaper pump with a 3-foot head for ebb and flow because the above pump is too much and outruns the overflow, even when choked down.
Magnetic pumps are relatively cheap and safe, because the magnets transfer the power of the motor, so they don't need internal seals. But that also limits their power, since they have no hard link to the motor.
Meant to say 800gph. This is the pump i use https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83
but for 160 gal i would go bigger, maybe this one, but use it on its side: https://www.amazon.com/VIVOSUN-Submersible-Fountain-Aquarium-Hydroponics/dp/B086QJQK8N
Just search aeroponic mister on amazon, they're pretty cheap. As for a pump, something like this would probably work OK.
I've seen all those numbers. They're based on studies with actual instruments measuring dissolve oxygen. But in my experience, almost any effort does fine.
Air pumps are noisy. Heavy air pumps are very noisy. Running six big ones in my small greenhouse was making me crazy. It wasn't enjoyable. That's when I switched everything over to venturi.
Venturi aeration is initially more expensive, because you buy a water pump and venturi for each reservoir you want to aerate. And they are virtually silent. Indoors, you can hear some bubbling and faint motor noise, but that's all. In the greenhouse, I have to look to see if they're still running. It's nice in there now.
I used by standard pumps
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082M7FNK6
And 1/2" venturis from Amazon. It's easier if you have pumps with 1/2" NPT female outlets.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DPQZNCB
Here's one running in a test.
I did some testing cutting away half the venturi, and found I could fit the combination in a 5-gallon bucket.
https://redwing-farm.blogspot.com/2021/12/an-off-shelf-small-volume-venturi.html
10ft Line
5 gallon bucket
Recirculates and cleans a 2 tap system running 10ft of beer line on each tap with no problems. Affordable and effective solution.
You could buy a pond pump like this and 1/2 inch tubing to quickly siphon the water out without having to use buckets. If you wanted to keep the water you could siphon it into something like a 20 gallon brute Rubbermaid tote then pump it back in your new aquarium.
VIVOSUN 800GPH Submersible... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L54HB83?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
It’s chlorinated, and can harm them…yea safe is the powder form…it’s great. I overdose to keep them safe.
This is the pump i use VIVOSUN 800GPH Submersible... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L54HB83?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
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So you’re thinking I should get something like this and return the transfer pump?
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/u/TenaciousMM: I have been doing this exact thing lately. I picked up this pump: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83/
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The setup I had for my coco grow worked really well and can easily be adapted to other setups.
First I got a big rubbermaid bin with wheels on the bottom to be the reservoir. Wheels aren't necessary but make it way easier to move especially when full of water. Then I got a submersible pump which sits in the bottom of the reservoir and hooked it up to my outlet timer. Hook the pump up to the hose running into your tent and then use Ts or Ys or whatever to split off to individual plants. On the very end of the hose I had hydro halos which worked great but a lot of people prefer the sprayers/drippers where you can control flow (I think the type you're talking about) but I don't like how small of a hose they hook up too, like a little noodles!
As other users have mentioned many people love Blumat stuff like Tropf , look around and read reviews before you buy anything!
You need a common water pump, a venturi, and a piece of plastic tubing.
I use these parts.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B098DPQFHM/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D9DK94V
This pump, which I already had, because it's been my standard for a while, happens to have a 1/2" NPT female discharge. The Venturi has a 1/2" NPT male. So they just screw together. A piece of tubing leads from the venturi inlet to any free air space.
I've done some testing or air stones, so I know about what their output looks like, and this looks sufficient. And the plants seem okay with it. I presume larger bore venturis and larger pumps could service larger tanks. They can also be put in-line with a pump to aerate something like a 100 gallon tank. The pump and venturi are just in a circulating loop. They can be paralleled for more air.
This is mine in it's test. That's how I use them in tanks, just lying on the bottom.
Of course, unlike air stones where one pump can service multiple stones, you need one of these units per tank. But they're not too expensive. I haven't tried other parts. A cheaper pump might work. And you can build your own venturi injectors from PVC connectors. But this one is too cheap not to use.
This is my standard pump. I own maybe eight of them. With 1/2" tubing, it's effective for something like a rain tower to about a six-foot head and has to be valved back to not overrun the drain in my ebb and flow.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83
Do you mean you need pressure or flow? These small magnetic pumps are incapable of much pressure, but against low resistance, they can produce good flow. They are magnetic drive pumps, so the impeller just spun by an internal magnet, and that can do pressure. For high pressure, you need a different pump design.
I don't know what you would need higher pressure for in a hydroponic setup, but if you do, this one will produce 45 psi, which is about normal municipal water pressure.
https://www.amazon.com/DC-HOUSE-Industrial-Agricultural-Irrigation/dp/B08DKV1NWX/
I have a 3-barrel NFT system that I use a 800GPH aquarium pump with. I use a valve to reduce the flow rate down to close to 1L/m per barrel.
This is the pump VIVOSUN 800GPH Submersible Pump(3000L/H, 24W), Ultra Quiet Water Pump with 10ft High Lift, Fountain Pump with 5ft Power Cord, 3 Nozzles for Fish Tank, Pond, Aquarium, Statuary, Hydroponics https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L54HB83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_5S2FXGYG254Q44DW2EBP?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
This is the tube I bought because I didn’t have one
Python Airline Tubing for Aquarium, 25-Feet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000255NYQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_ARHWDYX4DJMQ4PK4WNKC?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Do you need actual drippers? The flow rate for Dutch buckets is not critical. Most Dutch bucket writings I see either don't cite a rate or, when they do, it sounds more like what they just happened to do and that's that.
So long as the nutrient disperses down to bathe the roots, and the flow isn't so radical that the drain can't keep up, they'll be fine. Why not keep it simple.
A pump more than sufficient to serve the buckets.
Feed each bucket with small tubing from a splitter or manifold near the pump. Nutrient simply discharges into the bucket from the open tube.
Make all feed lines separate and the same length. This eliminates any problem of flow dropping as you go farther down the line.
The pump needs to have a sufficient head rating. Remember that at the rated head, pressure is approaching zero, so you want a head rating well above the height you're trying to serve.
I use a 3000LH pump with a ten foot head for everything, ebb and flow and rain towers. The head rating doesn't have to be huge. My rain tower is seven feet high with an open 1/2 tube at the top, and the pump handles it with plenty of flow.
The same pump was a bit much for my ebb and flow. it overran the capacity of the drain, so I just added a ball valve. You can do that, too, and have full control of flow, and all buckets will flow alike because the feed tubes are the same length and feeding the same height.
Magnetic pumps like those we use suffer no harm by being restricted. They are driven by a spinning magnet inside the sealed housing inducing an impeller outside the seal to spin by magnetic coupling, which is why they can't generate any real pressure and passively backflow so well in the drain cycle of ebb and flow that drains the tank back through the pump. And the LPH rating is for an open discharge, no resistance from pipe friction or height.
If you're interested, I use this pump for everything, including my pump-out rig for pumping used reservoirs into buckets or out the vent window of the greenhouse. Very reliable and easy to break down and clean out if it ever clogs. There's some gross adjustment by means of an adjust able slit on the pump housing, but it's not very effective. Use the ball valve.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83/
Ball valve: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C5B4S1S/
I live in the US.
Things like this seem like they'll function for all of 4 months before crapping out.
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07L54HB83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_WE08C487GHWP0C81FGM3
Yes. Submersible magnetic drive pump. It need not be large, but it does need to be rated to lift to the height of your tower and a bit more. I use this pump for most everything, including towers up to eight feet.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L54HB83/
Mag pumps have no physical connection between the vanes and motor, so there are no seals, meaning they don't care about being indefinitely submerged. They're made for it. Now there's a difference between dirty water that's just discolored with some silt and dirty water that has chunks in it. Any larger solids will clog the pump intake and may end up fouling the vanes. But there's no reason to have that kind of stuff in your water.
There are all sorts of opinion on running cycles. Pick one. But note that the most popular timers are those with dials with no segment smaller than 15 minutes. For smaller running segments for things like three minutes out of 45, you need something else.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SCK2V8W/
Note the light sensor that can be used to shut down after dark, if that's the choice. To have a different active cycle at night, you need an even more elaborate programmable timer.
Like this for the hose? https://www.dripworks.com/soaker-dripline-6-spacing
Ok I think I know what you mean just like my yard irrigation. The 1/2 tube connects to your pump, the other end is capped off?
You have any type of pressure regulator in the middle or just send it? This is my pump (also this thing throws water drained my hot Tub in an hour) VIVOSUN 800GPH https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L54HB83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_i_Faa3Fb3NDMT5M