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It's no different than people wanting a pen that feels nice on paper and in their hand. Anyone who spends time inputting text appreciates a high quality instrument with a nice feel.
How do you use your keyboard?
Do you value the number pad?
How hard do you press the keys?
Is backlighting important to you?
I recommend buying this switch tester from Amazon to see which switch feels best to you. They're all Cherry MX switches, which are the most common switches that you'll find on boards from Amazon or mechanicalkeyboards.com (another online vendor with free shipping).
Anyone here have a WASD keyboard?
I ordered something on Amazon and they accidentally sent me a switch tester that allows me to test all the different Cherry MX switch types. Now that I've tried them I want a mechanical keyboard and these WASD keyboards look pretty good, just wondering if anyone has experience with one before I drop $150 on a mechanical keyboard.
If you're wanting to get into it, an entry level non-gamer board that I and pretty much everyone else here can attest to is the Pok3r. It's a 60% board with cherry switches and the potential for RGB. I'd recommend buying a switch tester on Amazon like this one, and play around with it for a few weeks before making a decision.
For keyboards it should be a simple affair by the way. Most people who are saying they want to test out a keyboard are saying such because they want to test out the switch or better explained the feel of a keystroke. You can easily pick up a switch tester from amazon on the consumer level, so I assume you can pick up something like that for a store. Something like this for example.
Correct. Here is a link to one on amazon for $16.
I have gone through about 4 keyboards just trying new switches. I later found these and for $16 it would have saved me some cash.
You can pick up a switch tester to try them out. It's not as good as being able to type on a keyboard but it's better than nothing. This one on Amazon has the major switches and two different kinds of o-rings you can try out. I bought one years ago and it definitely helped. Now I keep it on my desk and let others use it when I start telling them about my geek fascination.
I prefer reds with O-rings. I don't think it changes the feel of them as others have stated, but switch preference and feel is completely opinion based (I just wanted to give you another perspective). I use the 2mm o-rings (red) because I'm heavy handed and bottom out my keys. The o-rings bring the noise down and I prefer the reduced travel.
I love my Logitech G402 mouse. I have fairly average hands, but I like that it's a bit narrower. It is a bit on the long side, but nothing too crazy.
For keyboards, as people mentioned, you'll want to figure out what kind of switches you want. For Cherry MX, Blue, red, and brown are the most common, but there are a whole load of other colors. Personally, I like browns because I like the tactile feedback (unlike reds), and they're fairly light and are quieter than blues. If you have a store that carries them nearby, definitely try them out. You can also get testers on amazon for about $15, depending on how many switches you want to try. This for example has the usual switches, as well as black, green, and clear, and comes with dampener rings to try as well. I've had a lot of Logitech peripherals over the years, so I ended up with the G710+ board, and I'm happy with it. It's pretty wide as it's a full board, plus has macro keys along one side, but I like having the option of using them :)
I switched to mechanical a few years back and won't go back to dome keys. I have a cherry blue at work and a brown at home. Both from Cooler Master. They are relatively cheap for what you get. The model is the Quick Fire Rapid. It says "Gaming Keyboard" but I use them mostly for programming and gaming.
If you are going to go mechanical, I'd recommend buying one of those tester boards with one of each switch on it like this
I found both of my keyboards on amazon. Each was less than $80 US.
> What do you think would be the best switches for me? MX Brown?
That's something you need to answer for yourself, if you can try and find a store that stocks Cherry MX switch keyboards and try them out.
> I also like my friend's Logitech Orion G810 keyboard, but I don't know the cherry MX equivalent to Romer-G.
Somewhat like a mix of red and brown.
I love my WASD Code keyboard with Cherry MX Brown switches, Amazon sent me this tester accidentally with one of my orders and it actually convinced me to get a Cherry MX Brown keyboard (after feeling how wonderful mechanical keys felt I needed to buy one.)
I’ve never used the Microsoft ergonomic keyboard so I can’t really speak to the actuation force of their switches.
What I will recommend since you’re new to cherry switches is pick up a tester that lets you try out the different switch types. Here’s an example of a cherry tester on Amazon
That should help you get a sense of which switch types feel best to you. Even better would be to find a local mechanical keyboard meetup you can go to where you can try out different profiles and switch types on full keyboards
Uh oh, I see I'm finding another subreddit to join... because I love typing.
Good comments from the other replies here. I love my K68 and my K63. I have one at home, where I work often typing up compliance letters, policy docs, emails and PowerPoints for my company. And never ending meeting notes. Loved my K68 so much at home I got the compact K63 for work.
That being said, be sure you get something you're happy with, even if you end up returning another keyboard. I love MX switches. You might want to check out Romer-G switches on Logitech, much newer design and I hear people rave about them. I'm sure someone will correct me: I think MX switches are from the '80s? I love them and type all day on my two Corsairs with reds, even though they are more "for gaming than typing." So, yes, I think you'll get used to them if you keep the K68 but if you have the option to find something you'll really love, that should be the keyboard you get. Sounds like you don't love the reds.
There's also stuff like this switch tester out there: Cherry MX Switch Tester on Amazon
Edit: Fixing link
If you don't have somewhere nearby like a Microcenter where you can test switches at the store, check out this. Costs $16 unfortunately, but it has cherry mx black, brown, red, blue, green, and white switches you can try out
If you tried the G810 and you're happy with how the keys feel then just go for it, you could always buy a Cherry MX tester if you wanna feel the difference without purchasing a full keyboard, so you at least know which keys you like.
G502 for the mouse, as for keyboard, youre going to want to start getting into the mechanical keyboard game.. And there are many types of switches with different feels to them. Get yourself a switch tester and try out the different kinds of keys and see which one you like the feel of the best.. My personal favorite are browns, but it varies widely from person to person. After that, check out the folks over at /r/mechanicalkeyboards they are pretty helpful and super knowledgeable on the topic.
How accurate are these Switch Testers? I'm looking to upgrade from my Steelseries 6G keyboard from like 2011 and I know it has cherry MX Blacks. I think I want something like Brown or Red..I'd say 70% gaming 30% gen use is my split
Never let anyone let their emotion about how a particular keyboard switch types influence your decision. It's a really personal choice. I was first recommended MX Reds by someone who loved and raved about them, but it wasn't my favorite. They felt too floaty to me and I made too many mistakes on them. I sold that one and got the same keyboard with MX Browns and couldn't be happier.
Get yourself an MX (or otherwise) switch tester and see for yourself, or use someone else's. Until you put your own fingers on a keyboard you'll never know what you personally think. Just like flavors for your tongue that's something that you won't know how you feel until you try it yourself.
> What kind of price point are you looking at?
I already have a keyboard with browns, but I'm not really satisfied with the resistance it offers. I'm not 100% sure for that reason, but I'm flexible if there is something that I really like.
> They aren't clicky but are stiffer versions of browns. with a 65 gram actuation force.
Thats why I'm interested in the clears instead of the greens. I want something stiffer than the browns but also quiet enough that I don't bother people in the same room.
Maybe I should just get the wasd key switch tester. [link]
yep, trying them out is always the best approach. if they dont have a good range of switches you can always buy a switch tester on amazon and put some o-rings on for yourself.
Mechanical keyboards are a personal preference thing. You really should test at least half a dozen at computer stores or expo booths to get a feel for the type of switches you like. Alternately, you can buy a Cherry Switch Tester and then decide.
Here is one for $16 that has all the basic switch types. It is something to seriously consider before dropping a large amount of money on something you will be using everyday
Not sure how much you want to spend/how quick you're looking to get one, but it might be easier to buy one on Amazon or something.
Get something like this so you can test out different switches, and find one you like! The knowledge comes with tinkering.
Someone can probably recommend a better one. The WASD was the only one I ever owned.
It's all personal preference, one isn't objectively better than another (if we're talking about CherryMX). I find a lot of people use Reds, but that also might be a result of keyboard manufactures making more Red switched keyboards then any other type. I have blues, a brown keyboard, and a red. I really like the blue. I'd recommend getting a sample switch from amazon, and trying them all out.
> I'd recommend Cherry Reds
Browns are good too, but I prefer Reds as they feel better overall to me. I'd definitely reccommend trying them out for yourself to see what you like before buying. I know my local Best Buy had some keyboards out to try. If you can't do it that way, you could always buy something like this first:
I've only seen it once. I don't think all stores do it, sadly. There's always these, but it would be better if there was a way to rent it or something instead of buying it for 16 dollars.
I prefer brown switches for the feedback, if you want a clean press go with red switches. If you have a micro center by you or any high end PC parts store they usually have keyboards out to try. Fry's generally has testers too. You can also buy one of these to try at home for yourself Good luck!
And for that purpose, there are cheaper tester kits like this one.
Might seem like a silly idea to spend money on something like that, but a mechanical keyboard is something that's expensive, luxurious and is most likely going to last you more than any component in your PC. For the same reason, I also recommend spending as much as you can to get all the features that you want/require, rather than spending the minimum amount possible. Having done that in the past, I now have a 65€ keyboard that only serves as a backup in case something really bad happens to my primary one.
RGB is dependent on the user, but when you go mechanical you never go back. Invest in one of these:
and determine your favorite type. For gamers, it's usually red or brown switches. Reds don't have a "bump", but just go straight down with no resistance. So I recommend browns.
The K70 has both red and brown options. They feel quite different, so don't just pick one randomly. If you have any questions, PM me or post to /r/mechanicalkeyboards where we'd be glad to help.
I use a Corsair K65 compact for gaming and a DAS Ultimate at work. Cherry MX are really good, but they aren't necessarily better than other switches. If you don't have an easy way to try different keyboards you can get a switch tester: [link]
if you just want to test out different switches there are things like
I'm not sure there's a huge market for keyboards with different switch types on different keys (or if there is that the market would agree on what keys should get different keys).
Mechanical Keyboards come in many different flavors. I suggest you grab a switch sampler and try the various switches before settling on the kind you want. From there, it's simply a matter of picking a brand. Corsair and Logitech are generally trusted, though it's always wise to read reviews.
Mice are generally more tricky, as the number of viable mouse options is generally higher than keyboards. I suggest a wired mouse with an optical sensor. I find Roccat, Corsair, Razer, and Logitech all have viable offerings. Then decide what kind of gaming you're most likely to do. Someone who plays lots of MMOs might want a cluster of additional buttons on their mouse, whereas an FPS player might prefer a lighter, more barebones mouse setup.
Don't worry, just think of reds as sensitive and somewhat loud, blues as nice to type on and loud as hell, browns as balanced, clears as harder to press browns, and blacks as harder to press reds.
Or just get this thing and find out for yourself:
I have the DAS's with Blues and Browns for work as well as a Corsair K65 compact with Reds for gaming. My complaint with the blues for gaming is the click reset point is around the height I lift the key for fast presses, but a lot of people are fine with them. I do like the Reds better than Browns for gaming, but worse for typing and the Browns are still great for gaming. It's really personal preference though, if there's any way you can demo them at an electronics store or order a switch tester I would do that before buying.
If I where you I would get a keyswitch tester before dumping some cash into one, Mechanical keyboards can last a very, very, very long time, I ended up going with browns because Its blue switches (iconic clicky ones) without the click, and I am completely satisfied, my keyboard is the Magicforce 68-key backlit mechanical keyboard with cherry mx browns and I have no regrets.
Incase your wondering about the key switch tester, here's a link to the one I got
Turns out there are at least 6 different flavors of switches. Blue, Brown, Clear, Red, White, and Green.
It's worth testing them all out in person before blowing $100+ on a keyboard. Picking up one of these testers might be a good idea too: [link]
Dunno really, don't know where you leave, but I guess some computer shop if you've got one near, other than that you can buy something like this to get an idea, even though it's not as good as typing on a real keyboard for a little while, it can help.
I really suggest getting a key tester.
Or if you dont want to spend the money go to a best buy or microcenter and get a feel for what the different keys feel like.
It is a good keyboard, but until you try the different keys its hard to tell what is right for you.
Quite a bit actually. r/mechanicalkeyboards has a pretty decent writeup on it. They also sell key testers on amazon.
Reds are excellent switches, but be careful when deciding they are generally beleived to be pretty much the worst cherry key to type on because of the light actuation and linear switch.
Honestly the type of key matters way more than the manufacturer. Make sure they're Cherry MX switches; avoid Razer as they use proprietary Khalil switches that most people don't like as much and that I've heard wear out faster. I'd recommend trying all of the switches before you buy one, because everyone has a preferred style. I like reds and browns but blues are also popular. Best Buy sometimes has mech keyboards that you can try out and see which one you like best, otherwise get a switch tester.
So reds and blues are very different from each other, and are extremely easy to press (I was pressing them without realizing a lot) I personally ended up loving mx blacks (the hardest to press). But of these choices it is almost impossible to figure out without trying them before deciding. If you cannot find a store or someone who has a mechanical keyboard to try them, I would recommend getting a switch test board like this
I believe they are closest to the Cherry MX Blues or Cherry MX Greens, based on the clicking sound.
You may want to look at getting one of these:
if you're looking at a Cherry board.
OP, if you're interested in compairing what keys to test out without forking out a lot of money there are testers for around $15 that let you try out what switches you want before buying. its pretty handy I gotta admit.
I myself went from browns to greens, and I'm switching to blues pretty soon by grabbing an ak33 keyboard when I can afford it.
Only switches I've ever used are reds and browns, though I Skype called a friend who has blues and those were LOUD, especially with my headphones on. Browns are actually very quiet, only being loud when you bottom out. If you train yourself to release the key after feeling the bump, no one will know you're typing unless they are watching. Alternatively, you can buy o-ring dampeners to quiet your keyboard a little. Reds are fantastic for gaming but suck for typing due to the lack of tactile feel. Best advice I can give you is buy a sampler board like this one on Amazon and figure out your favorite
You decided on the razer chroma?!?!? Well, you have a lot to learn. tagging /u/invisibiliti to help me out.
OK first off, before buying, you have to decide what you what in your MKB. (mechanical keyboard) I see that you are a big fan of the flashy lights and such. But there are a lot of important factors besides aesthetics when purchasing a MKB.
Switches. Often the most important part of an MKB because of the feels. What type of switch do you want? What are you going to use this MKB for? I highly recommend getting switch tester before buying.
Backlighting, programmability, standard keycap sizes, durability.
Often razer keyboards are used only for the lights, and I see you are fond of the lights. BUT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS. Razer keyboards are notorious for breaking just after the warranty expires and doesn't use standard keycap sizes. That means it will be harder to replace the keycaps on the KB! However, the razer keyboards are programmable. Decide on these factors.
Size: TKL (no number pad), full size, 60%, etc. Which one?
Overall, I would recommend a ducky shine 5. You have to completely answer all the questions before buying.
To answer a couple of your questions:
There are many different switch types for keys in mechanical keyboards. If you go the MX Cherry route some switches that would be good for you could be Reds, Browns, or Clears. The Browns and Clears have a satisfying tactile bump without an audible click that makes them very fun to type on. You can buy a Keytester to feel them for yourself.
There are plenty of options as far as brand/backlighting. Just know you'll be paying upwards of $100. Though it's like spending money on good shoes; Spend decent money for something you enjoy and will last you a long time. Mechanical keyboards last significantly longer than membrane, and are just incredibly satisfying (IMO) to type on.
It is really hard to know what you need without trying it. If you are going to spend a ton of money on a keyboard, you should consider getting a sampler pack, such as this first.
If you like the feel of your membrane keyboard, then Cherry MX Red is probably the best choice as it is the most similar to a membrane keyboard.
Cherry MX Reds and Blacks are considered the "gamer" switches. Cherry MX Blues and Greens are considered the "typer" switches. Brown & Clear sits somewhere in-between the "typer" switches and the "gamer" switches. But in reality, those labels are a bunch of nonsense. It really comes down to personal preference.
I personally use MX Browns at home, and MX Clears at work. I prefer the MX Greens, but the clicky typewriter sound drives my wife insane, so she banished me from using it.
Razer keyboards don't have Cherry keys. They use their own type (the name escapes me at the moment).
The browns have the exact same actuation force as the reds (45cN) but they have a tactile bump at the point of contact (around 2mm of the total 4mm travel). The blues have a slightly higher actuation force (50cN) and have an audible "click" in addition to the tactile feedback.
Simply going by my experience, for typing I'd want some kind of tactile feedback so that I know that the key "took". With reds I tend to double type more often than usual due to the linear actuation (it's easy to have the key hover around the actuation point, which is great for gaming but can lead to double actuation while typing).
Maybe you can try a tester before spending a lot on a keyboard you might end up not liking?
Either way, in my experience, if you're not accustomed to mechanical keyboards, it does take some time to get used to the feeling and behavior. However, once you get past this, the mechanical actuation is a dream to work/play with. It just feels much more straightforward and deliberate while typing.
I had browns and blues and LOVED both of them. I like the clicky ones so I sold my keyboard with browns for the one with blues, but it's all personal preference. If you wanna test all the switches that are in mainstream Cherry MX keyboards you might wanna get this to see which is best for you
Have you tried all of the switches?
Ill list them off too make it easier
Cherry MX reds-40Gram actuation force,Linear no bump nor click
Cherry MX Blues-55 Grams actuation force,Tactile bump and click
Cherry MX browns-45 Grams Actuation force Tactile Bump,No click
Cherry MX Greens-80 Gram Actuation force,Clicky And Has a tactile bump,Basically Stiffer Blues
Cherry MX Blacks-60 Gram Actuation Force,Linear no tactile bump,Stiffer Red
Cherry MX Clears-55 Gram Actuation Force,Tactile Bump no click,Siffer Brown
That's all i can think of at the top of my head,There are switch tests [link]
> mici. În rest, au vreo 40 de dubioșenii la vedere, cu prețuri între 20 și 800 de lei, lucru irelevant având în vedere că toate
Salut, eu am un tester de la WASD de genul asta
Daca vrei neaparat sa cumperi, iti recomand sa te joci cu testerul inainte. Vezi care tip de switch preferi.
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The key is simply to get a keyboard you like. One that feels good to you. You will do better if you feel comfortable using it. Many people will suggest mechanical, but if you honestly prefer the feel of rubber dome, go for it. I WOULD suggest perhaps looking on amazon for a kit that gives you a sample feel of a bunch of different mechanical key switches, such as this. It will give you a better idea or what you like before you commit a large sum of money to a keyboard full of them.
One final thing; keep in mind the strength and weight of your fingers. If you have small skinny fingers, mx greens are not for you. They require the highest force of all the cherry-mx switches to actuate. They will tire out your fingers with extended use. Otherwise, its completely your opinion based on comfort.
Cooler master is a solid choice in terms of build quality and price. They come in a full size keyboard (xt) and without a numeric pad (tkl) if that matters to you.
In terms of switches. it's purely preference, I would hit up a computer store to try out different switches if they have gaming keyboards available. MX reds, blues, and browns are all different typing experiences, there are other switches but these are the most common. You could also pickup a switch tester and try them before you invest in a board:
The QFR /u/iNVisiBiLiTi recommended is a great start. That was actually my first board. Only other recommendation I have is getting a switch tester before you buy a full board. They're about $15 usually, but being able to play with the different switch types before committing is very helpful.
Sorry about that the Ducky board I was looking at is the Ducky One and after reading your message I realize that what I am saying is pretty obscure. The Razer Blackwidow uses a blue switch although reading the sidebar shows that it is a knockoff of a cherry mx switch.
So I'm torn between the blue cherry mx and the red cherry mx in that case since it is marketed as the gamer switch. The blue switch isn't too bad but that is the only switch I have tried so I want to know if I should try it or maybe buy one of those Switch Testers and test the switches to see what I may find enjoyable.
The bump isn't hard to get over it is noticeable when you press the switch but that is it.
they are both valid for gaming it just comes down to personal preference at the end. If there are some tech shops near you (not sure where you live) some can have on display models of these switches on some keyboards. You can also pick up an MX cherry sampler kit that gives you some of the options on a little board to try out.
They go for a around 25 bucks or less and for being sure when you could invest 100s or more in a keyboard is a worthwhile investment. Those samplers also make it easy to show your friends mechanical switches.
Me I like them both and they are the only switches I ever used besides some GREENs back in college. Greens are stiff as fuck by the way. I would not want to game on those unless you got Hulk fingers.
There are a few key testers on the market with one of each kind of key from cherry or other manufacturer.
I heard that adding firm O-rings to a keyboard can give more of a rubber dome feel. Topre hybrid keys also are supposedly closer feeling.
For what it is worth, my logitech keyboard from 2005 still works fine, and there isn't really anything wrong with rubber dome keyboards, it is just that mechanical keys are heavenly in comparison.
I am actually in the market for a mechanical keyboard and came here to check for some recommendations and saw your post, and it turns out I just saw a cherry tester while browsing. It is up on amazon for $16.00 with free shipping, hope this helps Link
Maybe it's the switches? I'm guessing you don't want to spent more money, but if a local electronics store has something like this (or even just a bunch of different keyboards yo try), you can see if different keyboard switches feel better?
Edit: Just saw you said you're using blue switches. Red might be more what you're looking for. Blue has resistance right before you trigger a keypress (to make it harder to register accidentally). Cherry MX Reds don't have this resistance, so maybe if you traded in your keyboard for one with Reds you might see a performance increase. I would still recommend trying out keyboards in person first though, if that's possible.
Found this on amazon. It's missing grey and white switches, but it's $4 cheaper with free shipping.
Is this a good switch tester? [link]
There's no electronic store near me that has mechanical keyboards I can test out, to my knowledge (Columbus, Ohio)
I went to a Microcenter near me and I don't even think they stock mechanical keyboards. It's the biggest computer brick and mortar near me.
Where exactly do I buy a switch tester? ty like this? [link]
Do you want to shell out for a mechanical? You may want to shell out 10-20 bucks for a Mechanical key tester like this one: [link]. With that, you can figure out what kind of keys you want.
Do you want to pay extra for chroma keys and all that jazz? Or would you rather have customized keycaps?
The possibilities are ENDLESS!!!
Buy a switch tester from amazon and then get a good keyboard under $184
Personally I really like Ducky's products, but check out the buying guide on /r/mechanicalkeyboards
I like Blues for general typing work, but for gaming they aren't as great. The way the switch works, it means you have to wait longer in between each keypress. Brown or Clear switches don't have the click, but they have a light 'bump' whenever the keypress registers.
I would recommend 2 things. First, get a keyboard with Cherry MX switches. Kailh switches aren't as high quality. Second, before you spend $70 on a keyboard that will last for years, go somewhere (Microcenter, Best Buy, Frys) and type on each different type of keyswitch. If that doesn't work get one of these to try each switch side by side.
Once you decide what switch you like, look for keyboards with that switch (just google it). Corsair, Logitech, Steelseries, and Das Keyboard each make good boards. Don't get a Razer.
FYI, if you want the clicky noise, you have to go with Blues.
CS:GO is definitely an entirely different experience and for the most part "randoms" all have mics. It's closer to insurgency than BF3/4 and certainly worth the $14.99 off sale price if you can get past the steeper than normal learning curve.
This is something I should of used before my purchase of MX CHERRY KB. It allows you to feel out what the switches feel like.
It's all a matter of preference. I personally think the Corsair boards are best, but that's just me. Here's a link to a switch tester so that you can try all the different switches and o-rings.
I know you said you didn't want to buy a tester kit, but it really really helped with my decision. This is what I bought: [link]
Not too expensive, and actually useful. It's a big decision to make, and you don't want to make the wrong one. I'll be at Purdue in the fall if you waited until then you could try my tester kit.
Buy a switch tester. WASD sells a great one with the common switches (blue, red, brown, black) as well as green and clear. It also comes with o-rings so you can experiment with those too.
i think you mean individual switches, and i wouldn't recommend just switching a couple on your keyboard to try them when you can buy switch testers for pretty cheap
You can buy this to test switch: [link]
On the side note, generally the mechanical keyboard is louder than rubber dome, the only silent ones I think are Realforce silent or HHKB type S. Also, it's really hard for me not to bottom out the MX Brown.
No problem. before you order I would recomend getting a switch tester such as this so you can be positive about what switch you want.
Since I don't know which version your Razer BW is (2014 or <= 2013), you should try out what cherry MX switch is best for you by going to some shops that have mechanical keyboards or get this one.
After determining your switch type, go for the options below:
MX Red/Blue/Brown/Black: Ducky Shine 2/3/4, Das 3/4/Model S (This one has blank keycaps tho), Corsair K70/RGB, Filco Majestouch 2, Deck Hassium Pro, CM Storm Quickfire XT/Ultimate, WASD v2, Max NightHawk etc.
MX Clear/Green: WASD CODE 104, some CM boards (MX Green).
I'm sure everyone has mentioned that there are different switches and all. Personally I have always preferred mx brown. In my opinion they strike a great balance for typing and gaming.
You could always grab a tester to figure out which switch you like most: [link]
I also definitely like Filco over every other brand. I like the Ninja series. Clean look. But I hate extra keys, so there's that.
Goto your local store and try the keyboards on display or buy a Cherry MX Key tester Original site Amazon
I had no idea what it would be like, so I ordered a key tester from amazon.
The exact one I got was:
Both the original and chiclet keyboards have a slight bump to them, but the chiclet are a lot less force to push down. After trying it out, I realized I liked typing with the least amount of pressure, hence, the reds which are linear. The browns are very close to the X60 and X200 keyboards.
I was actually considering getting a DIY version and putting in Mattias switches.
I just bought a sample off of amazon. It was $16, but I guess it could be worse. /shrug
This one comes with a Novatouch Topre instead of an MX Clear:
If you want Gaterons:
Edit: If you want to order the Novatouch one here is also an amazon link and a Massdrop link
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If you are planning on seriously getting into animation or rendering, you will want an i7 for the hyper threading. If you stick with the 7600K though, you will need to get a Z270 motherboard or you risk getting a motherboard whose BIOS needs to be updated to use the 7600K. Gave you a locked 7700 and changed the MOBO and removed the cooler (7700 comes with one).
An RX 480 will do 1080p 60 FPS just fine and save you quite a bit of money.
Since you are more focused on productivity, I gave you a case with no window and noise dampening insulation. If you need a lot of storage space, get the R5.
550W is plenty for the build.
For keyboards, it really comes down to personal preference with all the options available. See if you have a local shop that has some mechanical keyboards you can try (Best Buy might have some as well). If that isn't an option, buy a switch tester to try and get an idea what kind of feel you want on your keyboard.
I don't know enough to comment on the monitor.
You can test it yourself with one of This from Amazon
there is a lot of options on eBay
This way you will fill most of the Cherry MX Switches.
There is a lot other switches brands, But I have no experience with them
Yeah they sell them on Amazon for around $10-20. Worth it if you know you'll be interested in acquiring more/customizing.
Here's an example of a decent Switch Tester. Even comes with O-rings! You can try a few of them out on your board now to see if you like the dampening.
I noticed you spelled customization with British English, so here's one I found on Amazon UK.
Amazon sent me one of these key testers by accident and that's the reason I now own a WASD Code 87-key Cherry Brown keyboard. I love the thing. Otherwise, if you don't want to order the key tester, you could always go to a store like Best Buy and try some of the demo units.
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> I'd suggest heading to an electronics store and trying some demo units.
You can also order a switch tester from Amazon for about 16 bucks and some change:
Browns have that, reds do not, you should look at a comparison of Cherry MX switches and find the one that suits you best. You can also go to the store and try them out if you live next to a Best Buy or Walmart, or if you don't live near a store like that you can order a switch tester online. The reason I own a mechanical keyboard now is because Amazon accidentally sent me that tester and I fell in love with the feel of the browns.
Yeah, the benefit of MX Brown is that it's very RGB compatible, and obviously every board offers it, so that opens up more choices. (Maybe try the WASD switch-tester's MX Clear first, if you rly must know.) For OEM/Cherry profile, Ducky keycaps get my pick, I prefer them to Vortex (whose edges r worn down faster, not as crisp).
I actually had the Ducky One TKL Rainbow (similar style caps) and I will say that while the legends are certainly too-hipster, the dye-sub feel is more than excellent. You could run them for a long while, then get the Ducky shine-throughs, in a month or two. Just depends how much $ u r looking to spend long run
you could buy something like this
Get a switch tester : WASD 6-Key Cherry MX Switch Tester [link] ?
Better to get an aluminum switch tester like this one or a larger one with better switches like this one? I have a lot of switches already so I'm looking for a big tester with keycaps (preferably DSA)
I am new to this, but I will take a swing. You have to ask yourself what you want out of your layout. Can you do without a Tenkey pad? Can you do without your cursor arrows? Do you need Home/Ins/Del/etc. Can you do without function keys? Do you mind using layers for your numbers? If you can't do without all of those keys, then you will want a standard keyboard. For starters, you are probably looking at a Ducky for starters. If you can work without all but the cursor arrows, then look at a TKL (ten key less board). Vortex makes a good assortment of TKL and 60% boards.
If as a gamer you want lighting, both Ducky and Vortex offer RGB versions and plain.
As for switch type, only you can tell. I can tell you that both MX Browns and Blues are clicky, but that is where my experience stops. They offer a switch tester where you can get all the switch types on one small board. https://www.amazon.com/WASD-6-Key-Cherry-Switch-Tester/dp/B00AZQKCD4 It will give you an idea of what each switch does, but not necessarily give you the experience.
As for cost, both Vortex and Ducky can be had for less than $150, you can also look at r/mechmarket there are a lot of trades going on you could pick something up and if you didn't like it just throw it back up for trade.
Also take a look at https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/wiki/redditnoob_tips
I hope this helps.
Something else you can do is get Something Like This.
Got the name wrong, just Cherry MX Switch Tester. Amazon link included
I think the g413 is actually a pretty nice looking board. The problem is the keycaps. I've read multiple threads all over the net about how flimsy and shitty they feel.
was posted this past week about some dude even talking about the keycaps creating holes. Probably a freak thing but still. The difference is really buying a Dell or building your own pc. If you see all the options that are out there you will be floored.
Two things for you to try.
If you type for a living, you really should know what all the key caps feel like. This is the single most important tool you use daily.
I suggest buying this : [link]
After you know which you prefer ( Browns and Blues are generally better for typing)
Go mechanical. Order a cherry mx switch tester ([link]) and see what key press you like best (I like browns). Then decide on the size/features you want
I was talking to an IT guy at work the other day about different cherry switches and 5 minutes later he walks up with one of these. That's what I call an IT dept.
Which type? Mechanical keyboards come with in vastly different flavors. Ordering one just because it is mechanical and someone recommended it will likely lead to disappointment. Most use Cherry MX switches.
Here is a switch tester for 6 different Cherry MX switches:
Here is Linus to explain switch types:
WASD 6-Key Cherry MX Switch Tester [link]
If you get the chance, try a key switcher like this:
You won't really appreciate the difference if you don't have a side by side comparison.
Buy a cheap switch tester off of amazon (I personally bought this one) and figure out what kind of switch you prefer the most.
Consider one of these!
[link] nope I mean 50$ CDN Wich is only 10 dollars more expensive than the keyboard I want.
Well, thats a beast of a rig!
With this you could cut a few corners... for example, are you planning on overclocking? if not, there is no need for a K processor, so you could get the 7600 (no k) and with no overclockeable cpu there is no need for a z170 motherboard... but the price difference may not be all that big.
You could get a cheaper PSU, but again, thats a really good and reliable one, the price difference might not be worth it if you are not on a very tight budget.
Essentially i think you have an excellent rig and the things you could "cheap out" on, might not be worth doing so, as in, if you have the extra $ better to have this than the slightly cheaper versions.
A thing i would add is a regular HDD at least 1tb, and use it as storage, if for any reason you need/want to format your pc, you could just wipe the SSD and all your downloaded games/pictures/videos/documents would be safe in the other drive. Only games with long loading times benefit from being installed on a SSD, so no need to have them all in one (i dont have any games on my SSD for example, only Windows and windows programs).
You should post your specs on /r/pcmasterrace with a title like "can someone check my build?" so you can get more opinions, i might not be seeing something!
What monitor do you have, or what resolution (1080p/1440p) and refresh rate (60hz/144hz) are you planning on gaming on?
If you are getting a new monitor, and keeping a AMD Gpu, consider one with FREESYNC (or one with Gsync if you change for a more powerful nvidia card, but expect a $200 price increase as Nvidia taxes manufacturers that use their tech) people say it makes a considerable difference... i havent had one so i couldnt really give my opinion on that.
Now for GPU, With the rx480 you are on the sweetspot for 1080p 60hz gaming.
the next step up would be an nvidia 1070 for either 1440p 60hz or 1080p 144hz
and the next one would be a 1080 for 1440p 144hz
Also do you have mouse/keyboard??
Personally i love Logitech Mice, Want top of the line and arguably the best wired/wireless Mouse there is, but also quite pricy? go for the g900, or one of the most loved and better reviewed is the g502 just ask /r/G502MasterRace
i have a g700s that can be used wired or wireless but the battery life is crap. around 1 week, so i invested on rechargeable batteries, it can be charged via the cable, so not all that annoying, but the g600 battery lasts for around 6 months... (The g600 is wireless only though.) i went for the g700s because of button placements.
And for the keyboard... well there is no dispute, get a Mechanical Keyboard, only thing is that you might be overwhelmed because of the huge ammount of options... but basically get one with CHERRYMX switches, there are others switches, but these are the best there are, no contest. Just decide on the color of the switches, as each one has different characteristics, some are clicky some take more pressure etc... a tester
would be useful to decide what kind you want, i went for the Cherry Mx Browns and i have to tell you, i couldnt be more satisfied, honestly one of the bestest buys ive ever made for my PC, Why do you think my answers are so lengthy? i look for excuses to write on mine, thats how satisfying it is. You might not feel this way the moment you get it, but after a month using it and you get accustomed to your Mech, and then type on a common membrane keyboard, youll ask yourself how the hell did you use that crap for so long.
/r/MechanicalKeyboards is where you should go ask as there are a huge amount of options to choose from.
Thats all i can think of right now!
Don't buy one without trying the different switches.
The most common ones (blue, black, red, brown) are all different (linear, tactile clicky, tactile non clicky etc.) and honestly nothing compared to a regular rubber dome keyboard.
You should order a sampler or just go to some stores to try them out
Switches are the thing that tell when you press the key, certain switches do certain things. Blue ones tend to be loud but satisfying. Red ones are sort of in the middle between quiet and loud. This is a guide. If you are planning on spending a lot on a keyboard you can get a tester kit and test each switch to see which would suit you best. You could also make a trip out to best buy or your local tech store to try out the keyboard they have on display.
What you should do is get this.
Not a perfect option, but there are key switch testers available from quite a few places so you can feel what each type of switch is like.
You should try one out some time or better yet buy the sampler which has all the main different types which all feel different.
You can get a sample of all the mx switches for $16 on amazon [link]
As /u/Graspar said, you develop that muscle memory for exactly where the keyswitch will trigger. I only have to press my Cherry MX Red keys down a little past halfway before they trigger. If you add o-rings to the switches, then you can reduce both the noise (which, I have to admit, is satisfying) and the impact when you're typing hard enough to bottom out. You can also type very quietly with linear switches if you don't bottom out. However, I will note that this takes some getting used to. During the first month or two of typing on Reds, I got a LOT of nuisance triggers. But that goes away as your typing becomes a little more accurate. If you want to know what a mechanical keyboard that uses Cherry MX switches will feel like without either meeting someone with one or without dropping $100+ on a keyboard, you could order a sampler, which costs about $16 (note: call any local computer specialty stores in your area, particularly ones that build custom gaming PCs or have a focus on PC gaming - they might just have one already that you can play with!)
On top of the feeling of mechanical keyboards (I mean, honestly, it just feels nice to type on reds. I have a friend who looks at me funny for preferring to type on reds instead of browns, but to each their own. That being said, I even like the tactile feedback of my laptop keys, and I occasionally enjoy the "mushy" feel of rubber domes. They're just different, and a lot of people prefer them), many offer n-key rollover (or some other high number), meaning that you can press as many keys as you want to on the board and it will tell the computer that you're pressing every single one. Cheaper keyboards will tend to have limited rollover due to the way the keyboard matrix is laid out, whereas more expensive keyboards are more likely to be have the matrix laid out with diodes that allows for high rollover. I honestly don't know enough to explain how this works, so you'll have to either wait for someone more knowledgeable or go to Google. But because mechanical keyboards usually end up on the "more expensive" side, they tend to have that high rollover. Gamers often find high rollover desirable because it reduces the likelihood that an input will not be received because you're holding down a key.
You can buy a cherry mx tester like this one:
Other than that, go to a place where they sell them and see if they have floor models you can try out.
I personally went for the brown ones as they are not noisy... but its a question of preference. as you said /r/mechanicalkeyboards is the place to go to ask this questions. I could say almost noone will recommend a Razer KB though.
The new xboxone controller with bluetooth can be used without a dongle, the older one, and the xb360 wireless need the dongle.
Here is a tutorial on how to connect the ps3 via bluetooth
reddit wiki buying guide here
you can buy little switch tester packs online before you take the plunge into an expensive keyboard like this although i dont know how good that specific one is (ive never actually owned one)
They're heavier than reds. I think noticeably and considerably so, but it's a personal thing, too. Reds are at 45g of actuation force, blacks are at 60g. Here's the comparison
I preferred blacks (It's my daily work driver), but YMMV.
If you want a "real feel" comparison, you can get a switch tester for not too much money, or head down to an electronics store and see if they have KBs you can take for a test drive.
If in doubt, buy both, and then buy the rest to complete your collection.
Buy one of these if you wanna try out a mechanical switch
There are a lot of different switches. If you're interested in joining us over in /r/mechanicalkeyboards give this a read. Its very interesting [link]
Once you go mech you'll never go back.
you should be a switch tester off of amazon for like $20
Keyboards and mice are very different in terms of feel and ergonomics across the board, but there really isn't a "wrong" choice when it comes to keyboards. All of them will work just fine. Some are just nicer/worse feeling or more sensitive. Just make sure your mouse has an optical or laser sensor. I wouldn't want you to accidentally end up with a trackball.
EDIT: If you want a cheap, safe option: hit up the Cooler Master Devastator Mouse/Keyboard Bundle. $30 bucks for a halfway decent gaming set that comes in Red or Blue LEDs. Not top of the line, but a good place to get your feet wet. Then for $16 you can grab up this MX Switch sampler. The sampler has 6 different mechanical keyboard switches built into it, which will let you actually feel the difference switch types and decide whether or not a more expensive mechanical keyboard is something you want, and what kind of switches you want in it.
You might look into buying one of the little switch tester kits like this
I use cherry blacks and think they are perfect.
The Asus has a better stand and built in speaker, but otherwise they look the same.
You may want to get a sampler for the different key switches.
I've had one for a while, and I've checked the switches and model number several times just to make sure they're really "Cherry MX red". It sounds way more clicky than the mushy and easy-to-type-on models I see at stores. My issues with this keyboard:
All of this being said, it's still great to type on (especially when I do it enough to be used to it), and it's pretty well-rounded between gaming and typing (IMHO). If these issues weren't there, I'd probably be keeping it.
I'd also check out /r/MechanicalKeyboards and pick up a keycap tester with o-rings before buying a mechanical keyboard, especially if you've never owned one before!
Get one of those switch testboards to see what type of switches you prefer. Something like this (I just googled for the first one)
Amazon has them as well.
Then I would just buy a switch tester. This WASD one should be fine.
Good comments, but here's a link to a switch tester that's in stock.
Amazon has them but I've seen them for ~$8
This is where I got mine.
How could I use something like this to make one
You can also buy a mechanical keyboard switch tester to decide what you like.
Also a good gaming mouse is good for shooters and mobas.
Hi I have this. It has clear instead of white though. If you are interested I can take pictures later this evening and PM you.
> For twenty bucks or less you can get a switch sampler from WASD on Amazon.
Sweet, this is great, thanks!!
For anyone interested, here is what he is talking about: Link - Amazon.com
This describes the different types of cherry switches fairly well, which are the most common brand you'll run into, it's really a matter of how "clicky" you want it to be, in other words, how much resistance/feel do you want, and how much noise do you want or are willing to tolerate.
If you don't mind investing a little more, you can get a switch sampler like this
To see what kind of feel you like best
(And you could always return it for a refund after you decide...)
You can always sell it on eBay once you've decided. [link]
It is up to you. Buy this to decide which of the three you like more.
FWIW I went with the K70 RGB Cherry MX Brown keyboard.
Blue is the loud clickity clackity switch. A lot of people like the noise and try to associate it with mechanical keyboards, but if you're like me and prefer a less noisy experience avoid them. When a friend of mine was still living at home, his mom made him get rid of his blue switch keyboard because it was so loud she couldn't sleep at night being in the next room. He also didn't have o-rings so she had to deal with the clicky noises and the clacking from bottoming out.
Browns are basically quieter versions of Blues. Great for typing without all the noise. Has a tactile bump for actuation without the click noise and great for typing. I use these for both gaming and typing and I love them.
Reds are linear switches. Little quieter than browns. Easier to bottom out if you don't have o-rings because there isn't a bump or click for actuation and they have little resistance. Typically used more for gaming, but doesn't mean you need them for gaming.
All three are commons choices and at the end of the day it completely comes down to preference. If you're unsure what switch you'd prefer, go to a computer store with some on display and try them out. If none are available, there are switch testers to you can order to test out the different choices.
[link] For example.
Also, [link] cheaper option with less switch choices.
Browns with o-rings are my personal favorite. Brown for the bump without the click, and o-rings to avoid the clack. I also really love the way Black switches feel, but admittedly they're a bit too stiff for me to game with so I stick with brown.
There are switch testers you can buy
yeah but you should do some research on the type of switches you want.
the cherry ones are probably the most common.
you can get this or this to test them out before hand
Here, there's probably a few other places.
This is a tester for less than twenty dollars. It would give you a good idea of how the switches compared.
A few companies have things like this to try them out: [link]
Cherry MX switch tester
If you dont know what switch type you like you could get this and test out what switch type you prefer.
They're pretty similar, but I personally prefer red switches. Stuff like this really comes down to personal preference, though. If you don't have access to a keyboard to actually see what they feel like, you can always get something like this: [link]
I've seen pros use brown, red, and blues, as well as razer's switches, which are similar to blues. Check this list: [link]
1) Check out this site for some good suggestions of what components to buy for different budgets to keep them all approximately this same quality. I believe this is maintained by some of the folks over at /r/buildapc, which is a pretty good resource for this kind of information.
2) Don't know too much about monitors, but I got this last black friday, and it seems to be a great 144hz monitor for the price: [link]
3) Keyboard: If you aren't sure about the type of switches you want, I suggest buying something like this cherry mx switch tester first. Mechanical keyboards are nice, but run on the pricey side, so that's a small upfront investment to determine which type of switch is best for you.
Mouse: Sorry, can't help you here, I've been a fan of my g502 since I got it.
Honestly, any switch is not going to matter unless it's something you're comfortable with. There are devices that you can purchase to test them out before spending $100+ on a mechanical keyboard just to hate it.
Not sure if it fits with the whole ghetto vibe, but you could always desolder from this.
It's the WASDkeyboards switch tester. $16 on Amazon.
You have a way to find out switch testers: SentrantPC, WASD, and Max Keyboard
You can also check out this part of the Wiki for advice :)
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Sure, here's a good one from WASD.
Read up on the switch types there. If you are concerned about noise the Browns are what you want, Clears if you can find them. They are like the browns, no click w/ tactile bump, but stiffer.
Ordering one of these definitely never hurt anyone. Cheap and then you can see how loud clicky switches actually are. As loud as my dorm was, it wouldn't have made a difference at all.
This one is pretty good. I'm assuming you're playing something like emulated mario or tetris though.
not to rain on your day but what makes your product different than this? which is $10 cheaper and free shipping with prime?
Yeah, just got my sampler: [link]
Browns are terrible. Long live clears.