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so they MIGHT be coming down in price. thats just over 18$/tb
You would ideally want to use HEVC or if you have access to a render farm, AV1. Honestly, the amount of power you are going to use in compressing them makes it not worth it to do so. Just spend the money and buy a larger HDD.
https://www.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ $198 USD for 12 TB
Znalazłem obecną cenę tych 12TB i ponad 2400 PLN (bez promocji) to sporo.
Zamówienie chcę złożyć najdalej do piątku (im wcześniej tym lepiej), więc nie wiem czy do tego czasu znajdzie się jakaś promocja. :( Ostatnio kupowane przeze mnie dyski to cały czas ten sam model Toshiba P300 3TB (największa pojemność z tej serii dostępna z CMR), dobrze mi się sprawdzają, są dość uniwersalne.
Thank you taking a time for an extensive comment.
I'm really confused by this line in "Chia plotting basics":
All of that said, for my personal plotting I use a 2017 iMac and a <em>12TB Western Digital external drive</em> on USB 3.0 for both temporary and final directory and I get a k32 about every 10 hours.
My setup is not that far from mentioned, and I still got only to 51% plotting for about 22 hours already.
Thank you.. do you have any suggestions?
Would this work: WD 12TB Elements Desktop Hard Drive HDD, USB 3.0, Compatible with PC, Mac, PS4 & Xbox - WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_RKCXTN5NXJR3NSBC3BBJ?psc=1
Not sure about SSD
> Why non-SMR?
I heard its cheaper and I read no need for SMR with UnRaid. Is that true?
> Do you have a specific workload where SMR gets too slow (e.g. databases with lots of random small write ops)
No not currently, but likely I will have SQL databases hosted on my UnRaid in the future, it wont be Production SQL, only development testing environment... I also have a Music Server. So looks like I do need SMR haha
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_llFHFbDCT08BZ?th=1 Is not SMR... Can you recommend a good SMR drive?
- I am concerned because they don't list drive speeds, they might be awfully slow? I'd like to get 7200+ if possible, or is it not worth it? these will be parities for sure.
12 TB: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_llFHFbDCT08BZ?th=1
No not a question, just me being cheap haha
Oh i did not know that, my image of HGST is tarnished now haha. I'll go with WD or seagate now on
THANKS!
Amazon had 12TB drives for $174.99, which have returned to their regular price of $219.99. Not really any money to be made and they had a limit of 3, but these might able to be "shucked" (take the drive out and toss the plastic shell) which can increase the value
Hey I ended up getting this one earlier. You have to "shuck" it, take out the hdd from the enclosure, then you do the 3.3v pin trick (look for it on youtube) and now you can install the hdd into your PC. I did it today and it has 10.9TB of useable storage. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_llFHFbDCT08BZ
Running memory tests as we speak. I'm starting to think it may be the SMR drives too. I bought 3 of these today and plan to shuck them and set them up in a mirror configuration with one as a backup. People are saying that they are CMR drives.
We are talking about this one's: "https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Desktop-Hard-Drive-WDBWLG0080HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=wd%2Belements&qid=1602581832&sr=8-3&th=1&psc=1"?
What kind of hdd are in those? WD red?
not big at all, my 12 terrabyte hard drive was only $220 ( www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1 ), it's thin and could easily be sewn into the stiching of the uniform to hold it firmly in place. According to ( https://www.dropbox.com/features/cloud-storage/how-much-is-1tb ) 12 terrabytes is going to hold 6000 hours or 250 days of recording 24/7. But that's really not necessary to hold that much data on your person when we have cellular networks and easy streaming services like Youtube. Youtube will hold unlimited data, as many videos as you want to upload (I uploaded over 30,000 myself), they could handle it but as with a big change like that I'd assume that my tax money would go towards expanding the servers as necessary. And that would be fine, as it would hold people accountable and I'd much rather my money go toward the transparency of these public servants rather than it going to more guns and continueing the status quo. As for the actual size, you don't need anything bigger than a cell phone to record and transmit data to Youtube, people do it all of the time. It doesn't need to be specifically made for the police officers, any recent iPhone or Android would do the job just fine and have excellent resolution and camera quality.
You're OK with the USB3 Element Drives, they have zero HW encryption. That's the external I use and I checked it out before purchase. I am surprised in that lnk you provided, the ambiguity indicates some bad tech writers @ WD and also, that the older USB2 Element Drives had encryption.
PS: Though I buy from BB, amz hints of the encryption spec; go to the below page & search for the word encryption where you'll see "My Book" has it but USB3 Elements does not. Also, the drive prefix in the addy matches your prefix of WDBWLG0120HBK. Lets just hope your EE doesn't mean Encryption and NE in the suffix below means No Encryption!
https://www.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B
I bought two of these when they went on a flash sale and shucked them and put them in my plex server. They work great! There's a little mod you have to do to get them to power up but its super simple.
Oh dang I'll look into that, I'm still getting into freeNAS and all that. For storage tho I'd say look into that 12TB drive on Amazon it's decently cheep large storage but its a bit loud for a hard drive. I just ordered one to toss in my little server.
There are two HDD manufacturers in the world nowadays.
WD (HGST is owned by them) and Seagate.
WD 12TB and 14TB drives are guaranteed to be helium filled.
The cheapest way to buy them is Amazon, $352 for 12 TB: https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07X4V2M3B?tag=diskprices0a-22&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1
This works out to $29.33 a TB and will beat ANYTHING else you can find on the market.
Yes, the "Elements" drives are cheaper AND better for NAS than the Red pieces of shit ;)
No you can't. That's a 7200rpm WD black external. The non branded is 249 not on sale. Amazon has it on sale for 219.
This one also has usb ports for charging and 3 months of ultimate in it.
Buy two of the 12TB WD Elements (currently on sale for $199), keep one at home, and one offsite and swap them on a regular basis (monthly, quarterly, depends on how often you update data). Plus find an inexpensive online backup like Amazon or Backblaze or Google.
https://www.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=sr_1_1 Amazon.com also has it too. Shipping + import fees $30.46 USD and comes to a total of $205.95 USD
Shuckable 10TB is on sale for $160 today. 12TB is $175.49 today at amazon (and also newegg starting at noon PT). Here's the detailed breakdown comparing the Red drive with the Shuckable white label drives
If you don't need the 2 usb charge ports or the built in cooling fan the 12TB WD Elements HDD can be had for $175 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B/
Or $149 if you use retailmenot's 15% cashback promo at newegg (takes 45 days to get paid though)
https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-12tb/p/N82E16822234406?item=N82E16822234406
If you prefer Amazon
On the Chia plotting basics article Gene says:
>All of that said, for my personal plotting I use a 2017 iMac and a 12TB Western Digital external drive on USB 3.0 for both temporary and final directory and I get a k32 about every 10 hours.
How'd he manage that?
Or even better deal at $175 is the WD Element 12 TB.
The 12TB is 194 from Amazon.com also.
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https://www.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/
Reading older threads, these were (are?) barracuda drives that are SMR. 12TB elements are $200 on amazon right this second.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/b74vnr/wd_elements_8tb_wdbwlg0080hbknesn_vs_seagate/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/7hbbcp/seagate_backup_plus_hub_8tb_stel8000100_shucked/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/666h5i/are_these_drives_shuckableseagate_expansion/
Like Sko0ol said, you want a NAS (or an external hard drive). Move all your data from your boot drive to the external storage. Make backups.
I enjoy my Synology NAS that I use for work, but I don't know your budget.
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If you are planning to make lots more videos and want to be safe:
This is $1k and can hold 8 drives- https://www.newegg.com/synology-ds1821/p/N82E16822108755
Fill it with 8 of these for $1480 for the drives- https://www.newegg.com/seagate-ironwolf-st8000vn004-8tb/p/N82E16822184796
Run it in a RAID that doesn't lose all your data if one drive dies. RAID 5, or RAID 6 if you are paranoid.
$2500 and you have 48TB with two drive failure protection or 56TB with one drive failure protection. https://www.synology.com/en-us/support/RAID_calculator?hdds=8%20TB|8%20TB|8%20TB|8%20TB|8%20TB|8%20TB|8%20TB|8%20TB
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If you are planning to make a moderate to low number of videos and like to live dangerously:
https://www.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B
+$20 shipping = 260
Same price as amazon https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07X4V2M3B?th=1
#1 Wrong sub
#2 It's now $210.99
#3 Here's a non referral link https://smile.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/?th=1
#4 It's actually been $175 before so $211 is far from the lowest price. https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07X4V2M3B
Direct link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B
$12.5/TB with that many hours seems like an OK deal to me. All things considered if I needed a 12TB drive right now Amazon has 12TB WD Elements on sale for $204 which is a pretty great deal. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B
Plain Jane Raid 5 is not as versatile as Synology SHR1, ( enhanced RAID 5 ) . Most people with a 4-6 Bay NAS should use SHR1, unless you want more redundancy , but less storage space and then SHR2 is appropriate. If you are buying this morning , I'd go with the Amazon listing. https://smile.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=sxts_rp_s1_0?crid=37J5VOV3N806A&cv_ct_cx=WD%2Belements&keywords=WD%2Belements&pd_rd_i=B07X4V2M3B&pd_rd_r=e5d92979-6a57-4d79-93d2-6c68d5a4da60&pd_rd_w=jkgBX&pd_rd_wg=DbKcf&pf_rd_p=dc8286ba-5f1e-4679-adde-8b7fe66c128e&pf_rd_r=CCNNS8CSVXPZFD0H611Q&qid=1644923317&sprefix=wd%2Belements%2B%2Caps%2C91& sr=1-1-5e1b2986-06e6-4004-a85e-73bfa3ee44fe&th=1
Greg - It sounds like you want to make good use of a bunch of old, small hard drives. That is good for the environment - not throwing away useful tech!
It is hard to find something that does what you want. That may explain why there are no comments here after 2 days. I am thinking there is something out there. I just couldn't find it.
Maybe this helps: https://superuser.com/questions/814225/comparing-folders-on-two-unconnected-computers
That Q and A explains how to keep a list of the hashes of all the files on another, disconnected computer and compare that list to a list of the hashes of all the files on the local computer. This would work just as well for disconnected drives. But it would only identify the local files that do not have exact copies on any of the disconnected drives. With that list, you could use a batch program or PowerShell program to copy all the new files to a connected drive.
But I have to think someone has already created a backup program that automates the maintaining of a catalog of files on drives and backs up new ones. Maybe you could try a Linux subreddit or SuperUser. Our r/Backup subreddit is rather small.
Another option would be to buy a 12TB or 14TB external hard drive for around USD $240 here in the USA and use that as your primary backup. Use the other drives as a redundant, cold storage backup.
https://www.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/
12 TB (https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07X4V2M3B/)
16 TB (https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B08KTRKB6S/)
18 TB (https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B08KTRBHP1/)
https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Portable-External-Drive-WDBU6Y0050BBK-WESN/dp/B07X41PWTY/
5 TB (https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07X41PWTY/)
Make sure you toggle the "Amazon Price", not just the "3rd Party Price", because a lot of these are currently out-of-stock.
Deal link: Amazon
12TB on Amazon.com with Prime go for 270$. Bit more expensive as it is in Germany, but still not a game changer.
Quite pleased with this one. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Anyone know if https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ is a reliable hard drive? The price is good, but I'm not familiar with WD products. I also her talk about "White Label" or "Red Drives" and I don't know which is "Better". Can someone explain?
Canada 12TB Elements for $229 (1 per customer), ends in 10hrs: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1
$229 for 12TB on Amazon Canada https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B?th=1
this seems like a better deal for tb/$, 229.99 CAD for 12tb https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07X4V2M3B?psc=1 not sure performance wise. I prefer to support newegg over amazon, but it seems like newegg ships from the US a lot of times and adds on a lot of import duties and taxes
Deal link: Amazon
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12TB WD Elements $175 at Amazon (US) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B
Same price at Newegg (as posted earlier) https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-12tb/p/N82E16822234406
I am in the middle of a similar situation, but the setup I originally settled on was a 2012 Mac Mini I got off eBay for ~$250. I dropped in a spare SSD and extra RAM I had lying around, and configured it for ssh access and SMB shares on the network. I attached all my external disks to it (the ones I am trying to consolidate). Using macOS gave me a huge advantage in that I could use Backblaze's unlimited desktop backups on all of my attached storage, which is about 15TB now. The Mac Mini pulls about 7W idle, though I'm not sure how much the external HDD's use since they all have their own power bricks. Overall its been great since obv it has x86_64 CPU giving it great software compatibility and the potential for plenty of specs to run any software I could need.
For archival, I just set up rsync scripts on my other Mac's to copy my home directories to the Mac Mini's attached hard drives. Windows could prob do similar with the SMB shares. I am not sure what kind of Wifi access speeds you need, but rsync from my MacBook to the Mac Mini typically gets ~5MB/s transfers over Wifi on my basic home router.
The drives I have been using are the plain old desktop style external's which keep going on sale, like this one which I snagged for $175 during Prime day. They will def be on sale again in the future if you just keep an eye out.
If I wanted to, I think I could host Plex or other media servers on the Mac Mini, though I doubt it would be able to handle much transcoding, instead I just use another external HDD attached to my Shield TV with movies on it and call it a day.
This is def not an "ideal" setup but its worked quite well for a while now and has solved a lot of similar issues to yours. Its been inexpensive, low power consumption, and very flexible.
Now I read that not SMR is a good thing, should I buy this one? https://www.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
I'd likely get 2...
Just read that: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_llFHFbDCT08BZ?th=1 is NOT SMR is that an issue? Should I get an SMR drive instead?
#1 - your teaching me so much! That is crazy cool. I bet they missed one small requirement which caused them to be listed at 5400rpm class instead. Thank you for doing the good work and testing them! I wonder if you can post your results somewhere. 10MB/s - 15MB/s is fine, its just home use!
I don't think I get consistent RPM with my current, I see it fluctate quite often. I dont use RAID however. I use UnRaid only currently, and do not plan on switching to RAID.
#2 - skip :)
#3 - Again WOW. I need to broaden my mind. I am excited to try these out. In fairness the Seagates I used (2 of them) that went bad were old and Refurbished.. So fair play.
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#4 Last question! Do you know if https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_llFHFbDCT08BZ?th=1 is SMR or non-SMR?
Do you have a preference personally between SMR and non-SMR?
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This 12TB shuckable drive was on sale for $175 on prime day. Use that knowledge how you wish.
I am seeing an identical error using a WD 12TB Elements Desktop Hard Drive, USB 3.0 - WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN I got on sale.
On Windows, I was trying to follow /u/coollllmann1's method (SMART short test, badblocks, SMART short test, fio) via the DataHoarder wiki section "How to test purchased drives"
Then I deviated, assuming if a short test is good, an extended test would be even better.
The short test had Raw_Read_Error_Rate of 2 and apparently it's supposed to be zero, which made me think something might be wrong.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: |ID#| ATTRIBUTE_NAME | FLAG | VALUE|WORST|THRESH|TYPE |UPDATED|WHEN_FAILED |RAW_VALUE| |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| | 1 |Raw_Read_Error_Rate |0x000b|100 |100 |001 |Pre-fail|Always |- |2 | | 5 |Reallocated_Sector_Ct |0x0033|100 |100 |001 |Pre-fail|Always |- |0 | | 7 |Seek_Error_Rate |0x000a|100 |100 |001 |Old_age |Always |- |0 | |196 |Reallocated_Event_Count|0x0032|100 |100 |000 |Old_age |Always |- |0 | |197 |Current_Pending_Sector |0x0022|100 |100 |000 |Old_age |Always |- |0 | |198 |Offline_Uncorrectable |0x0008|100 |100 |000 |Old_age |Offline|- |0 | |199 |UDMA_CRC_Error_Count |0x000a|100 |100 |000 |Old_age |Always |- |0 |
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I launched an extended self-test in the evening ...
C:\Program Files\smartmontools\bin>smartctl -t long -C /dev/sdb smartctl 7.1 2019-12-30 r5022 [x86_64-w64-mingw32-win8.1] (sf-7.1-1) Copyright (C) 2002-19, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
=== START OF OFFLINE IMMEDIATE AND SELF-TEST SECTION === Sending command: "Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in captive mode". Drive command "Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in captive mode" successful. Testing has begun. Please wait 1387 minutes for test to complete. Test will complete after Fri Oct 16 21:44:24 2020 PDT
... and checked the next morning to find it had failed.
C:\Program Files\smartmontools\bin>smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdb smartctl 7.1 2019-12-30 r5022 [x86_64-w64-mingw32-win8.1] (sf-7.1-1) Copyright (C) 2002-19, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
Read Device Identity failed: scsi error device will be ready soon
A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.
Found this thread by accident. 12TB Elements now for about $260 CAD on AMZ for the next 15 hours for PRIME.
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It's down to $258. I bought one earlier.
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
if you need more space this is an all time low according to other subs. just shuck it and throw the drive in your server.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B
before taxes it comes out to $14.58/TB which is a great deal
If that's gone, here is the Prime Day deal for the same price: WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN
Deal link: Amazon
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https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A4XRJ8S0WXSO0&psc=1
Looking at it now, I'm not 100% sure if its in AUD, but it's .com.au so surely. With $20ish for shipping it's just over $30AUD per TB.
Deal link: Amazon
Deal link: Amazon
Deal link: Amazon
https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_MWDPEbASFKKVD
Amazon
$378 to be exact
Same price on Amazon: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/
Amazon has the WD Elements 12tb for $200 which is a slightly better deal - $16.6/tb instead of $17/tb
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_i_XKTOEbM93E8YE
Also, if you’re looking to buy external white label WD drives to shuck, right now there’s a decent deal on Amazon for 12TB drives for $174.99 which come out to $14.58/TB
Alternatively if you want to stick WD Reds, the 4TB drives are on sale for $90. Though they’re much smaller obviously and are $22.50/TB, they do come with a much longer warranty period, and don’t involving the hassle of shucking and a smaller warranty window that the white labels have.
Just some friendly suggestions as these sales are not bad at this time and you may still be deciding which hard drives to purchase.
Sold Out.
Amazon and B&H have it for $175 today.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1532285-REG/wd_wdbwlg0120hbk_nesn_12tb_elements_desktop_hd.html
Prime day deal du jour....
Was $380NZ including delivery and all taxes. Stupid cheap
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B
12TB for sale recently $ 175.49 if you're in the US
i see 12tb WD elements going for 217$ ? is it this model ur referring or something different?
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