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Everyone should read whats the matter with kansas. It goes into this dynamic. It goes into the rise of Sam brownback and the libertarian psychosis that destroyed kansas. Bernie already has a massive representation with low income people in red States because of his message.
What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America https://www.amazon.com/dp/080507774X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_J6FuBbR4K8Y7E
> single mother
> caring for disabled parents
> Trump voter
Can we update What's the Matter with Kansas for the new level of cognitive BS these people put themselves through?
Kansas is actually turning purple believe it or not. The governor is Dem, one of the Congressional delegates in DC is a Dem. Many typical Kansan values run afoul of the modern GOP platform.
There's a book that is a little older but still very relevant named "What's the matter with Kansas" that talks about how Kansans vote against their own interests because that's the way their parents voted and their parents before them.
I suspect that you'll see Kansas as a swing state in the 2020 election as Trump and his policies have fucked the farmers royally.
"Do as I say, not as I do". Kerry got swiftboated, while Trump and Bush each evaded service.
It's too bad that anyone that needs to hear and take to heart what you said will start closing their mind to it a few words in, because that's the case in a wide range of issues that affect their voters' everyday lives.
A family friend of mine wrote a book about it years ago called What's the Matter with Kansas? (named after the classic William Allen White editorial), which starkly lays out the array of policies that conservative candidates in Kansas back that broadly hurt their own supporters, while offering little actual support for the causes that their voters say are most important to gain their vote. After reading it, Louisiana feels eerily similar. (FYI: the documentary adaptation is...not great).
Not to get too political, but at least I know that Democrats are mostly being self-serving by backing policies that help the general populace instead of those that only serve to hurt them and lying to them about how.
There's a book called <em>What's The Matter With Kansas?</em> that analyzes Midwest America's mass migration to the Republican Party in the 1980's and how Reagan used religion to get people's votes.
That’s the state’s fault.
relevant reading materialRelevant reading material for you
What's the Matter With Kansas? by Thomas Frank goes into how it happened over there several years before the MO GOP used a similar blueprint here. So not exactly the full answer to your question, but close enough to give you an idea.
If you haven’t read this already this book does a really good short history of how wedge issues were created and weaponized. It’s still from the 90s but the history laid out is still legit.
LMAO! so one woman with a sexidt, anti-women's bodily autonomy is supposed to prove a point? There are fucking women draftinf this sexist legislation. This idiot you're quotinf isn't furthering your argument. She's just an idiot.
Let me guess what's next, poor people don't vote against their own interest? Here's a good book you should read, seriously. It describes the very ohenomenon you just brought up: What's the Matter with Kansas?.
Idiots advocate against their own interests all the time. This isn't new.
in the same vein, "What's the Matter with Kansas?" by Thomas Frank.
(You may take some solace in the fact that Kansas is having an absolute conniption about OU going to the SEC).
Give this a read
What's the Matter with Kansas?
TLDR: as the world got more complicated, rather then trying to understand it voters moved over to identity politics. Vote for the guy who believes what I believe and he’ll implement the changes I would implement
In Thomas Franks' <em>"What's the Matter with Kansas: How Conservatives Won the Heart Of America"</em> He lays out how decades of Republican strategy has been to shift the debate onto cultural differences and away from their own cynical and destructive policies. The republican ideology is essentially "less taxes, less regulation." This means more "freedom" to big corporations to drive strugglingly family farms and businesses into bankruptcy, while allowing the pollution of local environments or watering down workers rights and wages in the pursuit of maximum profit. Populist conservatives in red states are literally voting themselves into oblivion, but they do it because the discourse has been shifted onto an urban/rural cultural divide. Traditional economic class divisions - Poor and working class vs lawyers bankers and corporate executives, has been re-coded to hard working rural White Christian Americans vs The lazy decadent urban latte drinking foreign car driving, immigrant loving city dwellers - those "evil Libs" who want to use federal funds to take your guns or force schools to teach Darwinism or allow women autonomy of their physical being.
The author Thomas Frank wrote extensively about it during the George W Bush years, basically describing the MAGA cult before the Tea Party and Sarah Palin gave them a national voice and before Trump validated them on the national political stage.
The book is "What's the Matter With Kansas" and he details this way better than I could possibly attempt to do so.
It might be a bit dated now, but read What's the Matter with Kansas. Using the state of Kansas as a case study it shows just how conservative convince people to vote against their own self-interests.
What's the Matter with Kansas?
In short: CULTURE WAR CULTURE WAR CULTURE WAR.
24/7 nonstop pumped into these drooling Fox viewers brains.
"Black NFL players kneeling!"
[Tax cuts for Wall Street]
"Abortion! Gay marriage!"
"They're taking your guns!"
"They hate your Christianity!"
It's been their playbook for decades & decades. They can't honestly sell Right Wing economics (which is a corrupt scam for their mega-wealthy donors). So they have to sell their garbage product in roundabout ways. And man are they ever good at doing so (unfortunately).
> People like your friend don't understand the heritage of the state.
Although I admire your drive to keep the history of Kansas alive, over the last 50 years more and more people have moved from the Deep South into KS and brought their world view with them. I grew up in Alabama so I know those " traditional values" very well.
A really good book on how Kansas changed politically:
> What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America - Thomas Frank
Read “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” and it’ll start to make more sense. Like the imaginary scene the author narrates at one point, they’re an angry mob outside of the rich gated suburb RINOs shouting at them “we’re so furious we’re going to cut your taxes!”
“For decades, Americans have experienced a populist uprising that only benefits the people it is supposed to be targeting.... The angry workers, mighty in their numbers, are marching irresistibly against the arrogant. They are shaking their fists at the sons of privilege. They are laughing at the dainty affectations of the Leawoof toffs. They are massing at the gates of Mission Hills, hoisting the black flag, and while the millionaires tremble in their mansions, they are bellowing out their terrifying demands. 'We are here,' they scream, 'to cut your taxes.”
― Thomas Frank, What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America
If anybody is interested, the book "What's the Matter with Kansas" is a great read on why American conservatives vote against their own self interests.
Your typical (dumbass) Shillary supporter isn't constantly asking why Sanders has a "poor white Republican-voting southerns" problem. If you did, the answer would be the same. See: What's the Matter with Kansas
Thomas Frank wrote about this ten years ago. For 30+ years, the Republican establishment riled up their voter base by inciting their fears over social and morality issues. But amazingly, the track record shows that on average they don't actually do anything for these issues once in office, instead by and large defending corporate insider interests. At which point it's very easy to contrive their lack of follow-through on the left, and then continue the cycle of RedSox/Yankees politics into the next election cycle. A great example is immigration. 'Closing the border' and deporting illegals is an oft-used talking point on the right. But at the end of the day, they don't really want to lose that cheap labor base or its overall effect on the price of labor. This strategy has been a revolving door of status-quo-maintenance that's worked quite well for a few decades now.
However, now the Frankenstein they've created has become unmoored from the table and is smashing everything inside their proverbial mansion. This guy says he wants to ship all the illegals back and build a wall. And he actually means it. So now they are shitting their pants.
However now the Frankenstein monster will venture out and wreak havoc on the whole city.
BRACE YOURSELVES... BEAR THROUGH... BUILD UP AGAIN?
White people vote for shit that goes against their interests all of the time, a book was written about it. What's the matter with Kansas talks about how conservatives won Kansas, but most of their policies hurt the people in the state.
This book isn't remotely marxist, but it is an interesting look at this issue from a coastal American liberal. Althusser probably could have rewritten the thesis to include something-something about ideological state apparatuses :)
There's a whole book about why the answer is "no."
EDIT: People who don't interact with the court system very often won't notice that there is something just short of open hostility between two branches of our State government. People who do interact with the courts - like, say, lawyers - understand that this is a "Big Damn Deal" and are legitimately worried about what will happen next. There are about five really big, hot-button issues pending before the state supreme court right now, and each one presents the potential for a constitutional crisis.
Way to go you marxist. Check out the book Whats the matter with Kansas It gives a pretty good analysis of the manipulation of middle class voters in terms of their religious or 'family' values.
The short answer is the Koch brothers and their libertarian ideology using Kansas and other interior states as a laboratory for their overarching plans to create a corporate oligarchy in America.
But the more nuanced answers can be found here - <em>What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America</em>
(An excellent companion book is <em>Democracy in Chains: The Deep History of the Radical Right's Stealth Plan for America</em> )
good for you for wanting to educate yourself about this stuff, seriously
Don’t need future scientists, current scientist already figured out
What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America
Kansas is Kochistan (a planned and well-executed corporate coup) whereas the Georgia state government is just full of ignorant racists.
There's even a pretty famous book about how Kansas went hard right: https://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/080507774X
Many books have looked into that question, including --
A book from 17 years ago:
Fair point... and that's why there's a2 decade old book about how we Kansans love to shoot ourselves in the feet.
A decent book on the topic I read awhile back.
Really eh, So Florida republicans are about "small gov" when the pass unnecessary and mean spirited legislation that stigmatizes and shames gay kids or kids from gay families? So Texas is about "small gov" when they pass laws that restrict teaching about slavery? or laws that criminalize women's right to reproductive care? Or maybe you mean "small gov" reflected in the convolute laws drafted by republican states that make it difficult for minorities to vote? or that gerrymander voting districts? Or maybe "small gov" as in rolling back environmental protections at the behest of polluting corporations, or worker rights. Or perhaps what you really mean by small gov is low spending - you don't like your tax dollars wasted on things - like subsidies to profitable corporations, so they can come into a town with their big box chain and wipe out small family owned businesses, or push a pipeline through indigenous territory, or keep police budgets bloated so they can be kitted out like storm troopers to handle people undergoing mental health incidents because they don't have a single psychologist on staff to deal with those. (no budget for that); Or the blank checks cut to the pentagon every year? It's one thing to blindly parrot right-wing mediasphere about Small Government republicanism it's another to look at the real damage those policies have inflicted across society - the facts confirm the GOP have evolved into a nativist conspiracy addled and cruel party that puts profits over people almost every time.
Every single social advance over the last 150 years from women's right to vote, to a regulated 5 day work week, or the right to collectively bargain, to desegregation and the civil rights movement was launched from the left and was fought against tooth and nail by so-called "small gov" republicans. Wrong side history every time. Here's a good book for you - explains how it's possible red state republicans continuously vote against their own best interests everytime and then blame the dems for their shitty situation.
I’m from Kansas. You genuinely have KC, Lawrence, Wichita and Topeka. It was actually a play on the title of the book. https://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/080507774X
What's the matter with Kansas?
Oh dude this is a great book about that! It’s older but it does a great job of illustrating how the rights been able to move the needle in public opinion.
And if you want to actually pick up a book which explains Kansas politics in a nutshell read this one. It's 17 years old but still very relevant.
This should basically be the 24/7/365 pitch.
But the science is in as to why it isn't:
What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America
I don't. I've done my research. And the research says at best that supply side economics can have benefits to an economy on a large scale, but in practice it only leads to greater wealth disparity, loss of low-wage jobs, lower velocity of money, and a temporary stimulus that leads to a larger deficit.
Sowell might have some credibility in talking about it as an abstract economic policy (which is basically all that libertarians can do), but you can't look around at our last 40-year economy and say "yeah man, that shit worked, give me another hit of that supply-side bro." It statistically only benefits the wealthy.
I would encourage you to do the same. Read What's the Matter with Kansas. . Kansas under Gov. Brownback implemented straight supply-side economics, and it literally destroyed their state. They are still digging themselves out from the direct results of their policies.
Have you read this?
Every 1% I know votes Blue but if the dumb dumbs want to vote for a tax break they aren't going to stop them.
Read the book.
What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America
What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America https://www.amazon.com/dp/080507774X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_mhSkFbVWP9RSF
I don't know what was the "light bulb" moment for you only, but frankly Republicans haven't been classically conservative since Nixon. They concentrated on unimportant but divisive issues (drugs, abortions, same sex marriage, guns, etc.) to win votes from one issue voters who constantly vote against their best interests just to piss off the other side.
Even Reagan, who is constantly brought up as the patron saint of conservatism, was not a conservative by almost any measure.
Check out What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America by Frank Thomas: https://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/080507774X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1&tag=httpwwwkalelc-20&linkId=4603df6811f7dca14f6514e73f08d3b8&language=en_US
What’s the matter with Kansas by Thomas Frank is a great read for understanding how people can be manipulated into voting against their best interests
I can’t help but think about the people on the other end of these comments and upvotes. Read an excellent book about how it happened to people in Kansas but I just don’t understand the victory-foreclosure and victory-unemployment crowed. Their beliefs aren’t founded in anything beyond faith in “their” guy
Their own doing. Guns and bibles. https://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/080507774X
No prob. And I agree with you on your <em>"What's the matter with Kansas"</em> point. Only money has nothing to do with it.
Here's the most famous book on that subject, from more than a decade ago.
It's been going on a while, here's a little gem from 2005
There is a whole book on this.
"What's the matter with Kansas?"
What's the Matter with Kansas? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Read "What's The Matter With Kansas?" by Thomas Frank.
> but since there are no policies that enable the poor to vote en masse, like easily reachable polling stations
This simply isn't true.
> or a voting holiday, combined with retarded voter id laws is it the chicken or the egg?
LOL if you really think a voting holiday or less restrictive voter ID laws would improve turnout. It's been well documented that the poor don't vote BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE. The upperclass vote in more numbers because they're aware of the policy implications any given election could have on their own well being. When I said "read a goddamn book," how about What's the Matter with Kansas? for starters. The poor, whether due to lack of education needed to understand the issues, or complete apathy because they have other, more pressing needs to attend to (why the fuck would you take time out of your day to listen to arguments about the positive and negatives of a current account surplus when you're working 18 hours a day to feed 3 kids?), or (most likely) a combination of both, don't care about politics, period. Has zero to do with voter ID laws or polling places. This is what I meant by saying "telegraphing your ideology:" you're spewing out a bunch of left wing bullshit that's been proven to be false over and over again.
> more wealth inequality means more people are poor, more money in politics combined with less poor people voting amounts to democracy being out of the hands of the majority,
What does being poor have to do with not voting? You're confusing correlation with causation.
Fun fact: Sanders' policies align closest with mine, before you go and assume I'm somewhere on the left/right spectrum that I'm not.
> My reasoning has no issues. As you said poor people dont vote, more wealth inequality means more people are poor, more money in politics combined with less poor people voting amounts to democracy being out of the hands of the majority, since the majority are poor or at least heading there, it's a bit of a stretch but not by much.
Yeah, sorry, but Citizens United was decided correctly. You want a different electoral system? Propose a Constitutional amendment that changes the voting system to a 6-week U.K./France style one.
> I'm glad you see yourself as part of the 1%, in which case seeing as the system disproportionately benefits you and almost no one else why should anyone trust your arguments?
Because they're based on empirical data, and not empty, unproven assumptions? Just a thought.
> I mean honestly at this point I'm laughin, even if my logic was as spurious as you claim it is, acting on my ideas would result in what pray tell? The nightmare of a system run for the many instead of for the few.
Considering how wildly incorrect you description of the status quo system currently is, why would anyone take seriously your prescriptions?
Oh. Kansas. There's a whole book on why Kansas is screwed up.
>crap like gender and race and other identity politics crap about who the candidate is rather than about what the candidate says they'll do or their record shows they'll do in office.
But Obama wasn't significantly more popular than the old rich white man Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton and Obama had essentially the same policies, which is why Hilary was initially the logical choice. Obama overcame Hilary in the primary for two reasons: They were both running on Healthcare Reform but Hilary was known for failing to pass it (Obama would go on to successfully pass it) and Hilary was known for voting for the war in Iraq while Obama was known for voting against it (Obama would go on to end the war in Iraq.) It's a pretty cut-and-dried comparable. How did Clinton win this exact same "stupid vote?" Wouldn't it be simpler to notice that the same policies grant the same voters?
>This sounds like it needs to be unpacked more.
Black and Hispanic voters are often strongly Christian, creating no special love for the pro-gay and pro-abortion policies of the Democratic party. There are also wide swaths of black and Hispanic voters who are gaining financial affluence and are eager to vote for more regressive taxes and deregulated business out of aspiration, just like their white equivalents in Kansas.
But Hispanic people are loathe to vote for politicians who advocate building a big stupid wall along the border of Texas to keep the filthy wetbacks out. Hispanics don't want to entertain a conversation about making English the official language of the United States when we've intentionally had no official language for 200 years. Meanwhile black voters would have to suffer birthers like Donald Trump taking to the Republican stage to discuss, for eight exhausting years, the incomprehensible idea that a man named Barack Obama could even be an American. They'd have to listen to the audience roar with applause as characters like Newt Gingrich intentionally condescend as hard as they possibly can while espousing flatly asinine policies.. It's humiliating.
Meanwhile the democrats are offering amnesty to the children of illegals, are offering states the option to end the war on drugs, are offering healthcare reform and gun control and the preservation of anti-discrimination legislation. Long term they'll probably grant Puerto Rico statehood and normalize relations with Cuba, if the republicans can't stop them.
Minorities voted for Bill Clinton and Al Gore and John Kerry and Barack Obama for the same reasons. They'll vote for the next democrat too, unless the republicans stop trying to kick them out, incarcerate, and otherwise belittle them. Whites are going to eventually be a minority in the United States, and I'd like to think Republicans can be mature and pragmatic about that reality and reform themselves willingly. But maybe they'll freak out like children and lose a bunch of elections for it. That choice is theirs.
Someone literally wrote the book on this very subject.
If you haven't read it yet, I would like to bring to your attention "What's the Matter With Kansas"
> what the fuck is wrong with this country?
I think you mean what's the matter with Kansas?
If you're interested in such thing, this book is a fantastic read: http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/080507774X (No affiliation)
You need to be more specific.
There's a whole book about what's the matter with Kansas, maybe that's a good place to start.
Sorry, should have provided a link. And I got the title wrong. Enjoy.
> I agree in principle but the question how is this accomplished?
First we need to understand how and why these poor folks keep voting for the right. I highly recommend this read.
Have you read what's the matter with Kansas? Because Thomas Frank comes up with almost the exact opposite conclusion that you have.
In my opinion uneducated people are more easily swayed by propaganda and the use of emotional appeal. This is a detriment to what democracy is. People who cannot think for themselves cannot be said to be able to make a sound decision concerning their leadership.
Yeah Mexicans and Islam goes first, as for economic data, people always bitch about the economy so it is not really valuable at all.
Trump appeals to the uneducated white poor. But it is naive that these people even understand economic issues. They are angry, but not angry at Wall St. they are angry about people in their faces, the social issues. Wall St. is smart enough to lay low.
This is how the Trump voter works, Trump will start parroting traditional Republican views on Taxes for the rich and these people will support him regardless and with glee, because the SJW filth hate Trump.
the GOP in it's current form only as a means for the rich and powerful who was to continue to usurp more power for themselves to embolden politicians who capitalize on religious zealotry, racism, homophobia, and so on.
This is the short of it. While this is the long version
This book is supposed to be a pretty good outline of how Kansas totally fucks itself continuously voting against its best interests.
There's that book out there, What's The Matter with Kansas that I keep wanting to read that deals with this well, I understand. I wish they would write a sequel for my birth state titled: "What the Fuck Happened to Indiana?"....