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So would something like this work since it's ZigBee certified? Or does it have to be both ZigBee and Hue certified?
Even if it would connect, I presume the Phillips Hue app would block something like this from appearing in Apple's Home app since they aren't HomeKit certified?
My PresenceLight UI has a 'Configure Custom API' tab three from the end - in between Configure LIFX and Settings - do you have that? If so, you'll see a check-box with 'enable custom API calls' - gives the Teams presence options, configure API Method get vs post, and identify the API URI - requires knowledge of the target API calls / auth / etc.
edit you noted you have Hue lights as well, so I assume you have a Hue bridge. I'm not familiar with Arlec strips, but found a few images that look like basic RGB strips under the hood - if so, and if you aren't tied up to the Arlec ecosystem, you might be able to install a 3rd-party zigbee controller and add them to Hue - I'm using the Dresden Elektronik ballast to run some cheap 5050 strips in my den, works great but a little funky (reverse R and G on a few, presents as sperate W v Color on RGBW, etc.) [link]
This is the only controller that will work with Hue, and as you said, not HomeKit.
I’ve used it before and it’s not worth your time. There are no generic LED Controllers that are Homekit compatible without the use of HomeBridge.
Buy Hue. It’s worth the price.
I used [link]. I needed it to fit into a certain spot though. That one looks good to.
Hue is nice. It has plenty of integrations, such as OpenHAB. But as you say there is the upfront cost since you need the Hue hub (which is technically Zigbee)
The hue strips are also quite expensive, but there is a 3rd party zigbee LED strip controller that works with the Hue system. I have this controller for my desk lighting. See: [link]
There is a Hue-compatible LED controller available from dresden elektronik that may work with your existing LED strips: [link]
If you buy a hub, you can control 50 separate devices. The Lightstrip Plus is a good choice for 2 meter lengths. It has color and white support.
Love it! Just last week I installed rgb leds in a similar channel as part of new baseboard on the stairs, and I gotta warn you--once you're done, you'll be looking all over the house, plotting what to light up next.
I think you're right to do them in channels--especially in a kitchen, that'll be easier to keep the fancy bits dust-/moisture-/grease-free. They're really easy to work with, just use a mitre box and a hacksaw.
rosencratetc's point about adding a motion sensor is a good one. Do you have any other smart bulbs in your environment? We're using Hue's new motion sensor, and I really dig it. With that, you can do scheduling, too.... You can control generic strips with Hue by adding this ballast .
(Briefly: cut the barrel jack off the end of the power cord, strip the wires back a wee, and connect to ballast. If you go this route I can add detail & photos.)
This works for me. I did my kitchen with them. They're on Amazon. [link]
For the most flexibility I would use separate controllers. A 2 meter Lightstrip Plus is 1600 lumens at 4200K. If you keep adding 1 meter extensions from the same controller and power supply the total output will remain 1600 lumens. The dresden elektronik FLS-P Ip can support longer strips and lets you push through 5 A versus 1 A with the Lightstrip Plus. You have more options with the dresden elektronik controller, but also more work since you need to pair it with your choice of light strips and power supplies: [link]
The dresden elektronik LED controller works well with the Hue bridge: [link]
Not sure if you're using Philips Hues or not, but I picked up one of these and it works with the Philips hub. You can use the cheaper light strips that you mentioned with it.
I use Smartthings and it works pretty well with that. I know it's ~$50 but you're not tied to a 6' strip of lights. Hope that helps
There are many challenges with this approach. Aside from matching colors accurately the power supply and LED controller are limited. The Lightstrip Plus looks great, produces excellent colors, and gets very bright and dim. Once you start adding 1 meter extensions the light quality and brightness starts to diminish, especially at higher wattage (e.g., concentrate, energize, 4200K). The basic 2 meter strip can output 1600 lumens. As you add more strips the total output cannot exceed 1600 lumens.
I originally planned a 10 meter run with the LightStrip Plus, but had to abandon that. Even with a more modest 4 meter total length I can hear annoying buzzing for higher wattage light values. The colors appear slightly more saturated near the LED controller. It is barely noticeable with a 2 meter strip, but once you plug in more extensions it creates an unwanted side effect.
For longer runs you may want to look at dresden elektonik's FLS-PP Ip: [link]
The FLS-PP supports a maximum output current 6A versus 1A for the Philips Lightstrip Plus. You need to consider both the power supply and how must power you can send through the controller. For really long runs you probably want one or more signal amplifiers.
Do you have hues? If so, I highly recommend getting one of these and wiring them up to work with the hues. It's amazing! Great job btw. I owe my wife a bed frame still.... 2 years later.
I have a ZigBee RGBW ballast (www.amazon.com/dp/B00NMSQ4QQ/) hooked up to a 5-meter RGBW strip. It just started showing up for Alexa last week. It disappeared when I ran Discover Devices but it reappeared later. I can turn it on and off and change the brightness but I can't change the color through voice commands.
I've gone a little nuts with this- I have four different systems and a bunch of lights.
Several WeMo switches, hooked into a variety of lights including an LED tape and some christmas lights
2 Hue Lux bulbs
1 RGBW ballast (www.amazon.com/dp/B00NMSQ4QQ/) with an LED strip, connected to Hue
Several GE-link bulbs in A19 and floodlight sizes (on Wink)
Several LIFX Color 1000 bulbs
I'm happiest with the color quality of the LIFX bulbs. The GE-Link bulbs are a little on the warm side (which is fine for home lighting) and are brighter than the Hue Lux.
Hue and Wemo have very fast response times, followed by LIFX and then by Wink. Those are still quite quick. When I first set up Wink they were considerably slower but they've gotten much better over time.
The Pivot Power Genius from Wink is the slowest responding device I've tested. When I first set it up it was almost unusable. It has also gotten more responsive over time, although it still lags a second or so behind other items.
FYI Philips Hue is just Zigbee. Any Zigbee-compatible lights should work with the Hue bridge and app (despite a recent controversy). If you check the reviews you'll probably find someone saying the product works with Hue.
This little device for instance, works with Hue and allows you to use third-party RGB/RGBW-strips: [link]
They're not a specific brand. Zigbee is an open standard, so you just need to check if the "smart" bulb you're looking at carries the zigbee logo.
As an example, the following is a device which communicates via Zigbee and allows you to control a regular RGB or RGBW ledstrip: [link] If you check the reviews, buyers confirmed it works with Hue.
I haven't bought it yet nor do I know if the latest firmware had affected it. This is what was recommended to me when I was looking for the same thing: [link]
Sadly, not a lot cheaper
You might know this already, but the Dresden Electronik one works well with Hue: [link]
Your link doesn't state if this product is ZigBee LightLink or HomeAutomation, in theory, if it LL, it will work fine, if its HA, it won't work.
I'm on the hunt for an answer to this question like you. I will update this as I find more solutions, but right now it seems like this is the ideal route. You run your led strip into this controller which then, I believe, emulates the strip as a Hue light.
I'm still unsure if you need a hue bridge to connect it to the echo, though.
I came across this on Amazon a few weeks ago, haven't picked one up for myself yet, but the reviews are promising.
RGB LED Controller
According to the description they should work with most RGB strips, which you can find all over Amazon / eBay and since they are Hue / Zigbee compatible, they should work with most solutions.
This ballast makes cheap LED strips integrate into your Hue setup. It works perfectly with mine. Check the Amazon comments for details. [link]
I use Hue brand bulbs. The white ones aren't all that expensive, but Cree and IKEA bulbs are compatible with the Hue hub. For LED strips, I use the FLS-pp lp controller^1 to connect them to the Hue hub. I use Lutron Caseta switches and Pico remotes. Hue is Google Home and Alexa compatible, so voice control doesn't even require a controller. Both Hue and Caseta should work on Home Assistant, but not positive. I use a Hubitat. For Caseta, you'll probably need the Pro Bridge^2 , but again, not sure on HA.
^1 The FLS-pp lp uses pin-style connectors which are kinda a pain in the ass. There's a Chinese knock-off that's cheaper with plastic push-pins. Unfortunately, the connectors don't work worth a shit, so the more substantial FLS-pp lp connectors are IMO worth the extra $20.
^2 Energy Avenue (.com) has good prices on the bridge, Pico remotes, and Caseta switches, but watch the shipping; some of the remotes don't have the correct shipping weight.
This can be used with an LED strip, white or colour.
It will show up in your Hue app and Hub and have the same functionality as an official Hue device
Source: I have two of these in my scene setup working with official Hue lights and LED strips
I'm doing something similar, but I am using this guide I am going to have it in my basement so it's going to be 15'x12' So I'm getting 2x of these 4x of the lightstrips and 2 power dapters
It's actually going to be saving me A LOT of money and allow me to go around corners easier.
>What hub should I go with? Device list looks to be close to 100 devices, I have a v2 Samsung Smartthings right now but am eyeing the Hubitat. Anyone had any experience with the latter? I'm a programmer by trade so the extra work is actually desirable.
I have the Hubitat. IMHO, it's not ready for prime time, but really really close. Since it uses the same development platform as SmartThings, it's... only slightly beyond my ability to port things over. What I have noticed currently missing.... 1) Google Home integration. It's said to be a priority. As a work-around, you can either go through IFTTT or use a man-in-the-middle like Tasker and Google Assistant. Frankly, there's not much point to integrate Home/Alexa, since you can't send commands to them; they can control Hue, etc., on their own. 2) The built in button controller works fine, but I haven't been able to add automation, because there's no button "release" event. Said to be in the next update (which are frequent). 3) Weather... It can be done, but I've not found a way without a man-in-the-middle. WebCoRe has it, but that feature hasn't been made to work on the Hubitat.
In your case, the Hubitat is a solid choice, at least compared to SmartThings. (I've not used any other platforms.) [You shouldn't have the issue with the locks as you did with SmartThings, excepting of course the lock simply not engaging correctly.]
>Anyone know any smart bulbs that are cheaper/bulk priced? Buying Hue's 1 by 1 is not selling it for my Wife. Moving to mostly switches anyways but may want colored bulbs in certain places.
In general, it's better to control the power rather than the device. The only advantage to smart bulbs is color. I'm personally a huge fan of color, but even I have to admit it's over-rated. I can't in conscience recommend anything but color "toe-kick and undercab" lighting. LED [strip] lighting opens the option of using an LED controller with sensors/power input controls (specifically, Fibaro). By avoiding smart bulbs in the primary fixtures, you can just use smart switches to control the power.
Aside from the odd deal (often for refurbished) I've never seen much of a price differential on Hue products.
>Toe-kick and undercab lighting. I either need Z-wave/Zigbee/WiFi-that-works-with-a-hub or need to find a solution (like plugging into a Z-wave outlet). I'm unfamiliar with whats out there and don't really think its financially sound to string my entire Kitchen's toe-kick lighting with Hue LED strips.
See above. I have not managed to implement my LED lighting as yet, but used a FLS-pp. I have no complaints with it. I also have, but not used, a Fibaro Controller, which has built-in input control. The Fibaro Dimmer has a secondary power that can used as sort of a sensor input, so it can be paired with a normal dumb switch. [Both FLS-pp and Fibaro can connect to Hue, making everything easier to manage, even if through SmartThings/Hubitat.]
>Wife is expecting and wanted any ideas for smart home features. She's a bit paranoid so was looking into something more robust for child monitoring.
If smart kids were an option, I wish I had known about it. :-D
How about a moisture sensor in the diaper...?
As for general smart home ideas, they are plentiful, and ample room for more than one topic. The basic one I'm chasing right no is having lights come on dimmer at night (but the lack of a "release" button event is hampering me).
>Wife and I are indifferent on touch-screens on the walls trend... anyone have thoughts? Assuming I do, suggestions?
Touch screens are on my bucket list, but I've heard (and agree with in general principal) touchscreens are best used as like "admin" panels limited to couple in primary areas (eg on the fridge and/or coffee table). For day-to-day stuff, you just can't beat switches. They clearly indicate how to be used, have tactile feedback if used successfully, and (with dumb switches) clearly indicate the current state of the switch. (The last is a bit harder to achieve with smart switches... The closest is having a little LED on/off indicator.) My rule of thumb is that if I need to explain to a guest how to do something, then I didn't design the system well enough. I don't know how to achieve that with touch screens unless the interface is super-simple, in which case... why bother?
Another factor that I personally don't think should be ignored is "accessibility". The visually impaired (or anyone at night) can't use a touch screen.
>Anything I'm missing (HVAC and appliance smart devices didn't seem to "do" much to justify their costs)? Brand suggestions for some of the generic devices I've described above? Any critiques for what I've outlined to install for a new home? What is written here is the "ideal" that I could find. Complications and budgeting haven't 100% been factored in.
Leak sensors with everything that has water. Power monitor for the washer and dryer (if they don't have it built in). Maybe power status on stove. Door sensor on the fridge. Integrated smoke alarms (not necessarily integrated to a "smart home", but with each other). Bathroom vent (with humidity sensor). Attic fan (cross-comparing outside temp with attic temp sensor, and perhaps also HVAC setting). Smart ceiling fans. Motion sensors (for light control and ceiling fan control).
As you say, with four devices, you probably aren't going to want a hub, but a hub does give the advantage of control. You say you'll be controlling through the phone, but that's often a pain in the butt (at least, for normal usage). I've not used LifX or Tradfri, but not seen anything negative that applies to your usage.
The real issue is using light strips and bulbs together. I don't know of a single solution for that. You could either 1) Get a hub for lights such as Hue, or 2) Get an automation hub like SmartThings. There may be another way, but if so, I haven't heard of it. If either separate apps or voice control is good enough, then you could get away with no hub at all.
For LED strip controllers, I've used these:
I just installed the FLS-PP [link] Works great and I haven't had the disconnection issue that some people seem to have in the reviews. I have about 20' of RGBW on the underside of my platform bed, I could probably double that if I needed to. [link]
Here is what I use for my build out.
For the extensions between the gaps I made my own extension cables I'm sure you could use pre made I just wanted a cleaner look. The connectors to link LED strips together works real slick but takes a little practice to get it right but I used one ballyst for my whole kitchen and just ran extenstion cables and use Y adapters to Y off and extend to each section.
I use these adapters.
In my example, I believe I would need 3 FLS-PP IP Zigbee ballasts ($55ea), 1-2 RGBW LED strips ($17ea), 3 power adaptors ($17ea), a splitter (~$15ea), and 4 ethernet cable adaptors (~$20 total). Grand total ~$268 on the conservative end + tax.
Or I could buy 3 Hue lightstrips ($90ea), splitter (~$15ea), and 4 ethernet cable adaptors (~$20 total). Grand total ~$305 + tax.
I could save ~$40 or bite the bullet and know that my current ecosystem will work seamlessly with the Hue lightstrips. Either way its not cheap but there are trade offs to going the DIY route.
Please disprove my estimates/theory, I would happily pay less for a setup with equal functionality :)
P.S. I'll add links to the items listed above but I'm on the train commuting in and the wifi sucks :/
Here's what I used to do my kitchen. Works with Hue can be cut to length and comes out nice and clean. Did do some soldering but you can probably get away not having to. I used 1 ballast and ran a wire thru the attic instead of using 2 ballasts but that was just to save on cost.
I was also looking at an alternative solution from another reddit post which would use the following items:
If this makes sense then it would look something like this?
LED strip --> strip connector --> 10m extension cable (through ceiling) --> strip connector --> LED strip for cabinets on other side of wall
Found a very informative video of the ballast + LED strips + hue bridge: [link]
That's already $93 + tax so if it makes more sense to just get a refurb hue strip kits and synchronize them to the same room (Kitchen) then I guess I will go with another set of hue strip kits.
I use one of these, mated to a cheap Sylvania RGB led strip:
Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?
I'm trying to make two led light strips "smart" by having them work with my Philips hue bridge, so I've decided to get an FLS-PP controller ([link]), power supply, and a cheaper roll of RGBW LED's. I eventually want to connect everything to HomeKit. Since I'm routing two LED strips with different colors to the controller, I heard I need to use an amplifier ([link]). At this point I feel like I don't know how to go about connecting everything together. I know that one of the light strips is going to be about 5 feet long, and the other long enough to provide coverage alongside the edges of a 60" TV. I don't know whether each light strip/color will be able to be controlled individually or not, how many power supplies are needed, and if there's an easier/better way to go about this. If someone could give me some advice, I would really appreciate it!
TL;DR want to install two hue compatible led's on a budget, don't know best way to go about it.
I basically need a weatherproof version of this
FLS-PP LED Controller, Zigbee, Hue Compatible
Supernight RGBWW LED Strips
Power Supply, 60 watt 12v
They have a larger power supply available as well. You'll have to do the math on how many strips you want to run.
I have this exact setup with two strips (and no issues whatsoever)... Hue sees it just fine.
5m RGBW RGBWW 5050 Led Strip Light DC 12V 4 in 1 Led Chip Waterproof Non Waterproof 60led/m indoor outdoor home decoration
Wireless electronic ballast FLS-PP lp with Power PWM interface for RGBW and RGB lights (12/24V LED/LED stripes), ZigBee certified product [link]
Either go for the ip20 or ip69
Would something like this work?
Maybe somehow tap into the tree lights
I have seen these mentioned from time to time. I am curious to see what others say, since I am interested in something similar.
I've had great luck with this:
I have mine connected to a Gen1 Hue hub, but it may work with other platforms.
If you are going down this path, you may want to consider dresden elektronik. They make a Philips Hue compatible lightstrip controller. It supports RGB and RGBW lights. The current output goes up to 6A, so it can power much longer strips at brighter settings. I have tested this with my Hue Lights app, [link], and it works fine: [link]&
Was this the controller you got? Anything special you needed to do to get it to work, like any sort of soldering or extra components you had to buy?
You need the LED controller that it already has - alternatively you could get an LED controller separately and get some cheaper LED strips (still need a power transformer such as the one you listed).
If there's already a socket for the light, you might be able to plug directly into that with an adapter (not sure those exist in the UK, but you could check your DIY store). That would be the easiest since the Hue strip has a wall-wart style plug with a backward connector.
Otherwise, you need a 24v transformer which you can cut the wire coming from the hue strip box and hook that up along with the wires from the switch (be sure to turn off the breaker first!).
They sell it in the USA too :)
Not by itself. Needs to be connected to one of these
I think you need this for it to work with Hue:
Have you looked into the FLS-PP lp ballast for light strips?
A lot cheaper option than the hue lightstrip plus. I just bought two of those and hooked one up to an existing led strip I had behind main tv, and bought one of these light strips and hooked up to the extra ballast in the bedroom.
Cheaper if you are looking for longer strips of led lightstrips or converting existing.
Yes. You can use the dresden elektronik FLS-PP Ip: [link]
I tested this last night with my Hue Lights app, [link], and bridge firmware 01030262 on the v2.0 HomeKit square bridge. This LED controller supports RGB or RGBW, so even strips with a white channel can be used. It can handle up to 6A with a suitable power supply. By comparison, the Lightstrip Plus has a 1A power supply and 1A LED controller.
The controller does a good job mapping color temperature modes to pure RGB strips. For example, Concentrate, Reading, etc., look pretty close to bulbs with color temperature support. You can also get a bundled package that includes a 3 meter strip and 2A power supply. With the bundled strip the controller could select colors, dim, and turn on/off with good response time.
I just added one of these to my hue setup with 30ft of LED RGBW strip. It works great so far. Halloween will be nice and scary with the huelloween app.
And this [link]
Check and confirm specs before jumping in the deep end. The lamps have a long lead on them and Mount the controller remotely.
Or you can use this route: [link]
They support RGB and RGBW light strips and integrate fully with the HUE system. Make them as long as you want!
I'm not sure what you mean by spliceable lights but maybe this product would fill that gap? [link]