What is Reddit's opinion of Otter Browser?

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I'm eagerly following the development of the Otter browser.

I first got interested in it because its aim is to clone the “classic Opera” UI. It's built with Qt, and relies on WebKit and WebEngine (you can switch) for rendering (for WebKit, it is highly recommended you build it with the revived QtWebKit-ng branch).

It's not a perfect solution (one of the good things about Firefox is that it was an independent rendering engine, and supporting it means less monoculture on the web), but a decent enough one.

I've heard the Otter Browser is getting to be pretty good. It's attempting to be like the older versions of Opera, but built with Qt5.

I believe it's one of the few browsers today that isn't based on Chromium's rendering engine.

Is there any real alternative with adequate privacy add-ons? Falkon and the Otter browser look promising, and I know keyboard-oriented users like QuteBrowser, but those have yet to achieve a robust add-on ecosystem.

Without add-ons like HTTPS Everywhere, Decentraleyes, U-Block Origin, h264ify, video downloaders...It's hard to switch to anything else privacy respecting.

I don't trust Chromium, Vivaldi and Brave aren't much better, and Palemoon is run by a bunch of asshats...About the only other browser I would consider is Waterfox, but the creator tends to lag behind on updates. I think it's even still based on a pre-Quantum version of firefox.

If there was a real alternative, I would switch away from Firefox, but so far it's still the best option we have.

You might wanna check Otter. It might not have all the features (just yet) but they are striving in that direction, as they say:

> Otter Browser aims to recreate the best aspects of the classic Opera (12.x) UI using Qt5.

Keep in mind that is still in beta and I did come across some UI issues when I last tested (I think the fixed it in the most recent versions, idk). But if you want something as Opera 12 as possible, I guess this is your best bet.

No. It supports Linux, Windows including Windows XP, Mac and *BSD.

1) Go to: https://otter-browser.org/

2) Click on experimental binaries(the experimental part is misleading unless you download the weekly edition).

3) Pick one folder and download the executable.

It is far from perfect but, amazing that the whole thing is done by one guy after work, and only occasionally two other guys join him. My biggest/only gripe is that youtube on Linux works only on a full moon after doing a rain dance.

Pale moon is a bit outdated and has quite the history of security issues.

I use waterfox as a replacement for firefox which treats its long time supporter with disdain and tell them they do not matter enough and drops everything that made it useful. waterfox is great and has none of the mozilla imposed shortcomings and stupid decisions.

I've had more and more issues with opera 12 having issues displaying websites so I'm now using otter browser instead (a free software project to replicate everything that made opera 12 great based on QT5: https://otter-browser.org/ )

I'm generally quite agreeable to your point of view. I think browsers are optimized for something close to the median-powered hardware, or maybe a little lower. I think this is very reasonable given the complexity of most browsers. So if you have older hardware, even if it's perfectly capable of handling less-demanding sites, you're still paying some of the cost of the added features in browsers. I hadn't thought of it that way.

If you're browsing sites with simpler requirements, perhaps you should try something like this. https://otter-browser.org/

I do have Vivaldi installed, and while the UI is decent, it's nothing like the Opera 12 one. There is a browser that is aiming at replicating that UI, and it's the Otter browser. Does a pretty good job at that, even though HiDPI support still needs some smoothing out.

And of course, when it comes to web standards, neither does a good job, but Otter does beat Vivaldi at animated SVG support at least (no MathML support yet though, even though that might depend on the rendering engine, which in Otter would be selectable if I could build it with the new QtWebEngine backend …)

(My benchmark for web standards support is this page, which currently only renders correctly on Firefox and maybe Safari, and where every single other browser does a worse job than Opera 12).

> Long gone are the days where a lone programmer stood a chance of creating a truly unique and standalone browser, that's not "just a fork" of Gecko or Chromium.

Still Otter Browser is made mostly by a single developer and it's not based on Gecko/Blink, but WebKit.

Beware of Chromium-based browsers, they are memory hog. Use Pale Moon (Goanna), Otter Browser (QtWebKit) or Epiphany (WebKitGTK+), they are really lightweight.

Opera is safe as much as Google Chrome is. It uses the same web engine Blink. It just sends data to Opera servers in Norway instead of Google. However, it is not open source. If you prefer the look and feel of the classic Opera, try the open source Otter Browser.

Yes, it is lighter than Gecko and Blink in terms of RAM used. Try it yourself using Otter Browser or my Qt Ultralight Browser (still being developed) loading the same website.

The classic Opera used to tile tabs. You can still use Otter Browser, which is classic Opera reborn or use the Tile Tabs Web Extension.

Yes, it's hard to switch to a new browser that can't do what I want / work the same. I am keeping an eye on waterfox git commits, I will see if any kind of new tracking or analytics is added in. So far nothing, it's the same code as before just with usual patches and updates.

I can't use Firefox with only webextensions comfortably because there's some features I want in my web browser that webextensions can't do - mouse gestures that work everywhere (even in new tab page / about:addons / etc) and ability to click on tabs to minimize them / tab order that works like window order on a windowed desktop system. My next best choice is probably Otter browser although that does not have good support for addons/extensions yet - so no bitwarden would suck.

On Linux here too - I think most of the time the browser is faster than I am, so not a worry! And I've got it tweaked the way I like it now...

Although I keep meaning to get Otter browser working as they're recreating Opera 12 with a Qt5 front end.

BTW there is an interesting project that tries to recreate Opera v12 as a modern, open source, chromium-based browser. No tracking/privacy issues unlike other browser, but still in development. It's called Otter Browser.

I fully agree with the others that your comment text is retarded in far too many ways, but to maybe try to be helpful nonetheless:

• Vivaldi seems to be usable and mostly tries to include things. Not open-source, though, only source-available (and I'm not sure everything is available), and it's based on Chromium, so I personally wouldn't recommend it, but you're probably your own adult.

• Otter Browser has just had its 1.0 release. It certainly has a lot of features. It was kind of slow last time I tried it, but you'll have to see for yourself. The experimental QtWebEngine backend might be faster, too, but that's Chromium again.

• Legends have it that Konqueror still exists. Hasn't had a release since 2014 and is probably also rather slow, but it comes with a file manager and probably lots of other features, too.

Ever heard of the Otter Browser? Free and open source project that replicates the original Opera UI using Qt5 on top of the Blink web engine (same engine Chromium uses). It's mostly a one-man project and it has been going for 6 years now.