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Yeah take that Delhi. Clean up and get your shit together!
And fight for better net neutrality laws while you are at it. Give that prick internet.org some down-votes while you still can.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
/r/india Lets rate the freebasics app with a single star and leave a review with #NetNeutralityMatters already !
Here's the link to the app
If one looks closely, Facebook + Reliance Combo on Internet.org also violates Net Neutrality. We have to be very critical with what Net Neutrality is. I request you all to do the same for Internet.org too in Play Store.
>Of course, to pay for the free service they increase the paid service 3x because why not
question please : first, is there any source that may support this argument? I know it's a common sense because there is no free lunch. but is it really true that provider is simply gonna raise the price for the paid service 3x? And if that ISP do that, the customer will be mad and they will simply choose other provider (which is really bad for that provider). Or even other option, people can simply abuse the system : only use overpriced ISP to use internet.org and use normal ISP to browse other sites.
The next question, the internet.org (CMIIW) is only available on XL (currently). So if i don't want to use the "free" internet and i don't want to get overpriced paid service, i can simply use other provider right? that's it solution is done.
Downvoting Internet.org is a doable feat. It is not a worldwide app yet. Also, we have to do what is necessary to protest. Just because its big doesn't mean it can't fall under its own weight.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
Here is a meaningful protest: go vote 1 star on facebook's internet.org on googleplay store. It is not a world wide app yet and your comments to support the real internet will mean a lot at this time.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
Don't forget to downvote internet.org application on googleplay as well. That is not a worldwide application yet and a downvote on that will mean a lot!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
They can downvote internet.org app on google play to say that they don't support this watered down version of the internet and are in support of net neutrality.
Link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
Then go downvote internet.org!
That app is not worldwide yet and downvoting it will send a clear message. Also, you have to do what is needed to protest against scum, history will take note of your participation.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
It is the paradox of life. Don't let it stop you from doing what is necessary however to stand for what is right.
Don't forget to downvote this guy:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
"In perfect irony, Zuckerberg talks about seeing the wonder of a kid in a remote Indian village discovering the power of the internet. The upshot being that if Zuckerberg – himself a child prodigy – ever was brought up on internet.org, he couldn’t have ever built a Facebook."
Lol
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
Edit: id like to draw people's attention to this issue because it affects all of us now with larger companies setting the precedent on the internet. You could start by trying this app^ if it is available to you and rating it one star if you think this is wrong. Comment as net neutrality violations or distortions of the real internet. I truly dislike the fact that Facebook wants to confuse this app as the "internet" for billions when it is not. Why couldn't Zuckerberg call it facebook.org or facebook plus?
If he also wanted to connect billions of new users to the net he could have simply invested in better networking infrastructure and wifi access points so net penetration would have increased and costs being lowered. Under the guise of this false philanthropy however, he is distorting the internet with a poorer internet for poor people. This will hinders India's sovereignty and intellectual development. The same app is also set to be released in Brazil and Europe soon, facebook is aiming for a monopoly on the internet.
Here are some further links to explain how facebook operates in developing countries:
http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/
And what the future may be like if they keep getting away with it:
I personally cannot support facebook as the internet because Facebook seeks to exploit and sell our data for their own profit. Hence we have do what we can now by protesting and at least spreading the word! Please check r/india as well, they have been busy fighting this for quite some time. Good luck everyone and let the net be neutral for everyone!
Edit 2: similar article to OP's submission but with more details: http://qz.com/385821/poor-internet-for-poor-people-why-facebooks-internet-org-amounts-to-economic-racism/
Edit 3: Can John Oliver, Conan or any other talk show host cover this as well? It's trending pretty quickly and if anyone gave more exposure to this then perhaps facebook won't control and limit the internet for future gens. Brazil and Europe are also next so please Mr. Oliver or any other host (if you can see this) we request that you cover this issue after your own investigation on the matter since it continues an important line of thinking to safeguard net neutrality! Thank you for your help!
Edit 4: Archived: For your own needs to share.
Yes! But you must do your own research as well.
1.) Facebook's internet.org has released a mobile service with free access to other select apps and sites thru deals they have made with other large companies secretly in your country. If you don't wish to use those free applications than you have to pay extra for everything but people are already enjoying those extra things for free on the real internet right now. Extra things like youtube, reddit, alternative news etc. Being able to access everything on the net is called "neutral" or nondiscriminatory access on the internet which is what makes it more enjoyable. This basic concept is also the foundation of net neutrality and what we may have to fight for.
2.) Facebook wants to push "internet.org" in developing countries (through the continent of Africa, Asia, Central America and Europe) where billions of people have never accessed the internet or know how it works. And since the public does not know what the internet is, facebook is wrongly convincing everyone that their own select offerings are the internet itself under the pretense: internet.org. This is somewhat manipulative and it is not the true internet. It is just a small limited offering. Facebook is doing this in order to capture the market so all activity and user information for the new billions can be recorded or sold to other businesses as profit for themselves.
3.) Now a serious social problem also emerges here: New users believe that facebook is the internet because the service is called "internet.org". But the internet (as stated above) is in fact different and full of more exciting services like youtube, alternative perspectives, diverse education and droves of differing things but users will instead have to settle on facebook and the free select apps because why pay extra for anything more?
In the long run however, this has the serious potential to limit self development and mental/societal progress because facebook is essentially limiting diversity in education, viewpoints and potentially self improvement through the limited offering of internet.org. This can be considered quite tragic.
Now the bottom-line and what it all means: Facebook has had a secret motive to confuse, control or limit the internet thru internet.org. It is simplifying the net and making money off the users while using developing countries as platform to exploit others because there are billions that have never used the net to know the truth for themselves. The truth is however, that everyone CAN have neutral access to the complete internet and data sets can be made affordable, perhaps through subsidies on lower end spectrums like 2G while higher end spectrums like 4G are commercialized normally. A workable solution can be discovered through cooperation between citizens and their government because access to the real internet can be considered imperative for global development and innovation.
In response, there has been a lot of marketing by facebook and it is trying to defend itself by claiming that it is not breaking net neutrality and that it will never charge for other services but these are moot because Net Neutrality is already broken with selective access to few things and they already control what is free or not. They are claiming philanthropy and universal access but it might just be an attempt to monopolize or restrict the internet instead.
The links below are sources to help you better understand what I shared above. Please look through it and do your own research. You need to share this amongst your community and spread the word if you believe in it. Then start protesting if you want after understanding the situation. Your intellectual development or sovereignty may depend on it because the internet is a self development tool for better knowledge, alternative view points, start up businesses, communication and diversity in innovation.
2.) http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/
What you can do to protest if you desire:
1.) Vote 1 star on internet.org app and other facebook apps thru google play store. Look at the other comments talking about net neutrality, comment that it is not the real internet and leave 1 star.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
2.) Understand what facebook really is, it is selling your information to other companies and governments without telling you. Its best to just use it minimally or for protest from here on in, alternative social media sites like diaspora or ello are better since they do not track you.
Share this informative piece on facebook so people who don't have the real internet can see it and learn for themselves! Tell them to share it even further etc.
3.) Pay attention to all net neutrality issues. Here at r/India we have been making an initiative to push back against the recently launched facebook's internet.org after becoming aware of how bad it is so please check out our concerted efforts if you need.
4.) Finally, push and work with your governments to enforce net neutrality laws if you need and better fight for it through cooperation and dialogue with sovereign regulatory agencies or courts.
Good luck!
TLDR: Making this post to share the counter perspective that facebook's internet.org is not really the internet. Across the real internet, you can access everything equally and there is no price or bandwidth discrimination. It is the fundamental concept of net neutrality, something facebook might be breaking. People also have the wrong idea that facebook is the internet, which is a mistake that can set a dangerous precedent. The real internet can be used for better self development, sovereign development or seeing different perspectives. Hence if you don't like the limitation of facebook's internet then organize amongst yourselves and protest accordingly. The developing world can have the real internet with smart subsidizing/smart investments on networking technologies but that is if you guys believe in it and ask for it. Sorry if the TLDR is too long lol.
I am trying to write a set of solutions that Facebook could compromise on for india but I am not extremely versed on how facebook's internet.org is financed with reliance or telcos to do it total justice here.
Nonetheless, what could be done to improve things as a starting point is to:
1.) Call this service facebook.org. not internet.org because it is not the complete internet. It would be incorrect for new users to believe that Facebook and Internet are the same thing. This is part of fakebooks pernicious strategy but the ulterior motives have been discovered, so it cannot come to pass.
http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/
We have to vote one star on this application to send a clear disciplined response that we stand for the real internet. As it stands internet.org has over 500k downloads and it is penetrating the market. The damage is happening!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
2.) Big companies need to Invest heavily on networking infra and put it in writing by drawing a plan. This would increase wifi penetration and thus the real internet can be accessed over time by those who need it..
3.) ??
I need more help from the community to draft further solutions as part of what india could accept thru Facebook or net neutral internet. I just believe the first two are critical otherwise we must continue protesting by dumping facebook accounts, tweeting companies, voting one star etc.
Don't let facebook confuse everyone on what the internet is while partitioning access to WWW in the developing countries. Sovereignty and intellectual development depends on it!
It's hard to target official FB app but we can target this internet.org app. People are doing it already, what say people?
Flipkart and Airtel apps. But Internet.org was left out.
Why facebook's internet.org isn't the internet. Now please let me explain...
1.) Facebook's internet.org has released a mobile service with free access to other select apps and sites thru deals they have made with other large companies secretly in your country. If you don't wish to use those free applications than you have to pay extra for everything but people are already enjoying those extra things for free on the real internet right now. Extra things like youtube, reddit, alternative news etc. Being able to access everything on the net is called "neutral" or nondiscriminatory access on the internet which is what makes it more enjoyable. This basic concept is also the foundation of net neutrality and what we may have to fight for.
2.) Facebook wants to push "internet.org" in developing countries (through the continent of Africa, Asia, Central America and Europe) where billions of people have never accessed the internet or know how it works. And since the public does not know what the internet is, facebook is wrongly convincing everyone that their own select offerings are the internet itself under the pretense: internet.org. This is somewhat manipulative and it is not the true internet. It is just a small limited offering. Facebook is doing this in order to capture the market so all activity and user information for the new billions can be recorded or sold to other businesses as profit for themselves.
3.) Now a serious social problem also emerges here: New users believe that facebook is the internet because the service is called "internet.org". But the internet (as stated above) is in fact different and full of more exciting services like youtube, alternative perspectives, diverse education and droves of differing things but users will instead have to settle on facebook and the free select apps because why pay extra for anything more?
In the long run however, this has the serious potential to limit self development and mental/societal progress because facebook is essentially limiting diversity in education, viewpoints and potentially self improvement through the limited offering of internet.org. This can be considered quite tragic.
Now the bottom-line and what it all means: Facebook has had a secret motive to confuse, control or limit the internet thru internet.org. It is simplifying the net and making money off the users while using developing countries as platform to exploit others because there are billions that have never used the net to know the truth for themselves. The truth is however, that everyone CAN have neutral access to the complete internet and data sets can be made affordable, perhaps through subsidies on lower end spectrums like 2G while higher end spectrums like 4G are commercialized normally. A workable solution can be discovered through cooperation between citizens and their government because access to the real internet can be considered imperative for global development and innovation.
In response, there has been a lot of marketing by facebook and it is trying to defend itself by claiming that it is not breaking net neutrality and that it will never charge for other services but these are moot because Net Neutrality is already broken with selective access to few things and they already control what is free or not. They are claiming philanthropy and universal access but it might just be an attempt to monopolize or restrict the internet instead.
The links below are sources to help you better understand what I shared above. Please look through it and do your own research. You need to share this amongst your community and spread the word if you believe in it. Then start protesting if you want after understanding the situation. Your intellectual development or sovereignty may depend on it because the internet is a self development tool for better knowledge, alternative view points, start up businesses, communication and diversity in innovation.
2.) http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/
What you can do to protest if you desire:
1.) Vote 1 star on internet.org app and other facebook apps thru google play store. Look at the other comments talking about net neutrality, comment that it is not the real internet and leave 1 star.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
2.) Understand what facebook really is, it is selling your information to other companies and governments without telling you. Its best to just use it minimally or for protest from here on in, alternative social media sites like diaspora or ello are better since they do not track you.
Share this informative piece on facebook so people who don't have the real internet can see it and learn for themselves! Tell them to share it even further etc.
3.) Pay attention to all net neutrality issues. Here at r/India we have been making an initiative to push back against the recently launched facebook's internet.org after becoming aware of how bad it is so please check out our concerted efforts if you need.
4.) Finally, push and work with your governments to enforce net neutrality laws if you need and better fight for it through cooperation and dialogue with sovereign regulatory agencies or courts.
Good luck!
TLDR: Making this post to share the counter perspective that facebook's internet.org is not really the internet. Across the real internet, you can access everything equally and there is no price or bandwidth discrimination. It is the fundamental concept of net neutrality, something facebook might be breaking. People also have the wrong idea that facebook is the internet, which is a mistake that can set a dangerous precedent. The real internet can be used for better self development, sovereign development or seeing different perspectives. Hence if you don't like the limitation of facebook's internet then organize amongst yourselves and protest accordingly. The developing world can have the real internet with smart subsidizing/smart investments on networking technologies but that is if you guys believe in it and ask for it. Sorry if the TLDR is too long lol.
Internet.org needs to be taken next.
Don't forget to vote one star on this guy as well:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
Your comments mean a lot since this isn't world wide yet.
I think I have finished it but I need your help in reading it to see if its ok and also what people can do to protest may need some more content if you know anything. This just needs to be trended thru facebook... share with all your friends, get them to share it more, pay it forward type of thing until every brainwashed person thinks opposite to what they currently understand. If this can be translated in a different language and trended then it reaches even more people etc. Let me know how it is and feel free to make edits, I don't own anything.
Why facebook's internet.org is not the real internet. Now please allow me to explain:
1.) Facebook's internet.org is attempting to push a mobile service app with free access to other select apps and sites (thus breaking net neutrality) thru cooperative deals they have made with other large companies secretly. If you don't wish to use those free applications than you have to pay extra for everything else but honestly, people are currently enjoying those other extra things for free on the real internet. Extra things like youtube, reddit, alternative news etc. there is a "neutral" or nondiscriminatory access already present on the internet. That is the meaning of net neutrality.
2.) Now facebook wants to push "internet.org" in developing countries (through the continent of Africa, Asia, South America and Europe) where billions of people have never accessed the internet or know how it works. And since the public does not know what the internet is, facebook is artificially convincing everyone that their own select offerings are the internet under the pretense: internet.org. Again, this is not the complete internet just a small selfish offering by them! Facebook is doing this in order to capture the market so all user profile activity and information from billions can be sold to other businesses as profit to themselves.
3.) Now a serious social problem also emerges here: New users believe facebook is the internet because the service is called "internet.org". But the internet is in fact very different and full of more exciting things like youtube, alternative perspectives, diverse education etc. The people are already enjoying those things for free on the real internet within developed countries! Accessing those other through facebook however, is costly for users in developing countries, so they settle on using facebook and only the select free offerings instead. In the long run, this limits self development and mental/societal progress because facebook is limiting diversity in education, viewpoints and self learning through limiting the internet itself. It can considered tragic for the youth and regressive towards societal progress and diverse innovation.
Now the bottom-line and what it all means: Facebook has had a secret motive to confuse, control and limit the internet thru internet.org. It is simplifying and making money off the users while using the developing countries as a cheap platform to exploit since there are billions that have never used the net to know the truth for themselves. Everyone CAN actually have neutral access to the complete internet and data sets can be affordable through subsidies on lower end spectrums like 2G while higher end spectrums like 4G are commercialized normally. A workable solution can easily be discovered through cooperation by citizens and their governments because access to the real/complete internet is imperative for everyone!
In response, there is a lot of marketing that facebook is defending itself with by claiming that it is not breaking net neutrality and that it will never charge for other services but these are false points already since Net Neutrality is broken with selective access and they already control what is free or what is not. They are claiming philanthropy on this initiative but it is clearly trying to monopolize!
The links below are sources to help you better understand what I share above. Please look through it and do your own research. You need to share this amongst your community and spread the word. Then start protesting against it after you understand the complete situation. Your intellectual development and sovereignty may depend on it! The internet is a self development tool for better knowledge, alternative view points, communication and diverse forms of innovation so all of this is at stake because of the needless limitations imposed thru facebook!
2.) http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/
What you can do:
1.) Vote 1 star on internet.org app and other facebook apps thru google play store. Look at the other comments talking about net neutrality, comment that it is not the real internet and leave 1 star.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
2.) Understand what facebook really is, it is selling your information to other companies and governments without telling you. Its best to just use it for protest, alternative social media sites like diaspora or ello are better since they do not track you.
Also please participate in social media protests whenever you can. Share this informative piece on facebook so people who don't have the real internet can see it and learn of their own brainwashing! Tell them or share it even further etc. Awareness like this must grow!
3.) Pay attention to all net neutrality issues. Here at r/India we have been making an initiative to push back against the recently launched facebook's internet.org after becoming aware of how terrible it is so please check out on concerted effort on reddit/r/india and http://www.savetheinternet.in/.
4.) Push and work with your government to enforce net neutrality laws and fight for it through cooperation and dialogue with any regulatory agencies or courts!
Good luck and unify!
Look you guys. Facebook's internet.org already has over 500k downloads. Not sure what you hope to accomplish here but they have already penetrated the market and many people consider it to be the Internet...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en I
What is next? So many Indians are just fucking gullible...
If everyone can vote one star and bring down the rating then it sends a strong message but as it stands, there needs to be more discipline in our response!
1.) Facebook's internet.org has released a mobile service with free access to other select apps and sites thru deals they have made with other large companies secretly in your country. If you don't wish to use those free applications than you have to pay extra for everything but people are already enjoying those extra things for free on the real internet right now. Extra things like youtube, reddit, alternative news etc. Being able to access everything on the net is called "neutral" or nondiscriminatory access on the internet which is what makes it more enjoyable. This basic concept is also the foundation of net neutrality and what we may have to fight for.
2.) Facebook wants to push "internet.org" in developing countries (through the continent of Africa, Asia, Central America and Europe) where billions of people have never accessed the internet or know how it works. And since the public does not know what the internet is, facebook is wrongly convincing everyone that their own select offerings are the internet itself under the pretense: internet.org. This is somewhat manipulative and it is not the true internet. It is just a small limited offering. Facebook is doing this in order to capture the market so all activity and user information for the new billions can be recorded or sold to other businesses as profit for themselves.
3.) Now a serious social problem also emerges here: New users believe that facebook is the internet because the service is called "internet.org". But the internet (as stated above) is in fact different and full of more exciting services like youtube, alternative perspectives, diverse education and droves of differing things but users will instead have to settle on facebook and the free select apps because why pay extra for anything more?
In the long run however, this has the serious potential to limit self development and mental/societal progress because facebook is essentially limiting diversity in education, viewpoints and potentially self improvement through the limited offering of internet.org. This can be considered quite tragic.
Now the bottom-line and what it all means: Facebook has had a secret motive to confuse, control or limit the internet thru internet.org. It is simplifying the net and making money off the users while using developing countries as platform to exploit others because there are billions that have never used the net to know the truth for themselves. The truth is however, that everyone CAN have neutral access to the complete internet and data sets can be made affordable, perhaps through subsidies on lower end spectrums like 2G while higher end spectrums like 4G are commercialized normally. A workable solution can be discovered through cooperation between citizens and their government because access to the real internet can be considered imperative for global development and innovation.
In response, there has been a lot of marketing by facebook and it is trying to defend itself by claiming that it is not breaking net neutrality and that it will never charge for other services but these are moot because Net Neutrality is already broken with selective access to few things and they already control what is free or not. They are claiming philanthropy and universal access but it might just be an attempt to monopolize or restrict the internet instead.
The links below are sources to help you better understand what I shared above. Please look through it and do your own research. You need to share this amongst your community and spread the word if you believe in it. Then start protesting if you want after understanding the situation. Your intellectual development or sovereignty may depend on it because the internet is a self development tool for better knowledge, alternative view points, start up businesses, communication and diversity in innovation.
2.) http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/
What you can do to protest if you desire:
1.) Vote 1 star on internet.org app and other facebook apps thru google play store. Look at the other comments talking about net neutrality, comment that it is not the real internet and leave 1 star.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.internet&hl=en
2.) Understand what facebook really is, it is selling your information to other companies and governments without telling you. Its best to just use it minimally or for protest from here on in, alternative social media sites like diaspora or ello are better since they do not track you.
Share this informative piece on facebook so people who don't have the real internet can see it and learn for themselves! Tell them to share it even further etc.
3.) Pay attention to all net neutrality issues. Here at r/India we have been making an initiative to push back against the recently launched facebook's internet.org after becoming aware of how bad it is so please check out our concerted efforts if you need.
4.) Finally, push and work with your governments to enforce net neutrality laws if you need and better fight for it through cooperation and dialogue with sovereign regulatory agencies or courts.
Good luck!
TLDR: Making this post to share the counter perspective that facebook's internet.org is not really the internet. Across the real internet, you can access everything equally and there is no price or bandwidth discrimination. It is the fundamental concept of net neutrality, something facebook might be breaking. People also have the wrong idea that facebook is the internet, which is a mistake that can set a dangerous precedent. The real internet can be used for better self development, sovereign development or seeing different perspectives. Hence if you don't like the limitation of facebook's internet then organize amongst yourselves and protest accordingly. The developing world can have the real internet with smart subsidizing/smart investments on networking technologies but that is if you guys believe in it and ask for it. Sorry if the TLDR is too long lol.
@pazuzu_ Free Basics is an app. Here's the play store link FB tied up with partners around the world so sites that pass their tech standards are available without buying a "data pack" Check out the screenshots on the app page.
@Veloci_raptor - That is a very opinionated piece. Here's one by Tim Worstall as a balance: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/12/27/facebooks-free-basics-in-india-broadband-adds-1-4-to-gdp-growth-why-wouldnt-you-want-it/