What is Reddit's opinion of Enlightenment?

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> he format is too wide and really hard to do consistent with when you have to face this match up lottery with all these fairly powerful decks

This is crap and a cop out from people who don't know the format well / invest enough time in it.

You aren't always going to have good matchups but that is true of every constructed format in Magic.

I've played over 250 sanctioned modern matches in the last two and a half years (almost all of which are at competitive REL events) and I am just over a 70% win rate because I put my time into learning the format.

http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-55fb1b824eb167.91540465.jpg

More like, "one of the most overhyped article titles you've seen".

Sorry, there is nothing revolutionary here. This is just a new mobile skin on top of the old familiar terminal (and the demand for a mobile/touch UI on a Linux terminal emulator is debatable).

There is a lot of room for innovation in terminal emulators, which are essentially a 40+ year old technology that has seen little change in that time. Examples of projects that are actually making novel contributions:

• Terminology
• Final Term

These guys are actually thinking about what else a terminal can do – intelligently interpreting the content of the terminal, making common actions easier and faster, support displaying things other than text. I think these ideas are pretty exciting and I can't wait to see where they're headed.

I’m surprised myself, but apparently they already have market share.

> Enlightenment libraries already power millions of systems, from mobile phones to set top boxes, desktops, laptops, game systems and more. It is only now being recognized for its forward-thinking approaches, as products and designers want to do more than the boring functional user experiences of the past. This is where EFL excels.

> Free.fr is shipping millions of set top boxes in France, powered by EFL. The Openmoko Freerunner sold thousands of devices with EFL on them. Yellow Dog Linux for the Sony PS3 ships with Enlightenment as the default. EFL has been used on printers, netbooks and more.

Also, hardware performance may double all the time, but battery capacity is still pretty limited. If you can use your phone twice as long by just using EFL, that would certainly be an incentive.

Well, E17 (and its libraries) have been targeting smartphones and embedded devices for ~5 years. Much optimization and modularization was made during that period. Right now you can unload almost everything down to the configuration dialogs themselves and we don't know what the user had loaded at the moment of the screenshot.

Enlightenment

It's snappy even on older hardware. It's kind of a jack of all trades without a lot of bloat, it seems to have just the right amount of features without going full ham or too minimal. Desktop widgets or a taskbar, floating windows or tiling.

nope. not tiling. regular. http://www.enlightenment.org ... it has a tiling module... i don't actually use it (tried it 2 or 3 times). my views on ui come from years of amiga land and i very much like the old school variety of ui. and the config files are nice binary blobs. not intended for humans to mess with ever. intended to be incredibly efficient for the machine to read and write. they are just portable serialized in-memory data structures. there are tools you can use to deal with them if ever needed... but these are more for developers to go poking around. users -> use those clickeyclickey things to configure your ui. :)

same terminal as in x11. terminology. e's native terminal using modern efl. of course works on wayland compositors. also works in the linux framebuffer directly (fbcon). even supports mouse when in fbcon as well as inlined video and image display and more.

http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about/terminology

I was indeed talking about documentation for developers.

However, the very pragmatic library approach, clean data structures and the emphasis on performance is what lets Enlightenment look like really professional in comparison to Gnome, which has always been basically just a mess.

Also the terminal emulator looks really slick and might be the only chance I will ever replace urxvt.

All I need now is a dynamic tiling functionality for the wm and I'm sold.

Edit: Just found out, that it does tiling

You should be able to see new "History" tab in Notification module settings. Look at the screenshot:

http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-5f8843d4975d81.68253801.jpg

Stefan

> apples and oranges > > json is intended to be human readable/writable, thus is verbose (in a computer way). > > eet seems to be a binary format for serialization. A comparison with protocuf, thrift, bson, or whatever binary format would have had more sense.

http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1qqfhl/benchmark_of_json_and_elementarys_eet/cdfm76w

I was disappointed by Enlightenment at first, but that was because my hardware sucked, and really wasn't ideal for a X Window installation.

your desktop is already almost perfect, it just needs to be darker. but if you want real sexy appeal switch to ratpoison.

but seriously, xfce is for those that want a minimal and fast window manager. There are more beautiful things if you want your system to look cool. enlightenment is prettty imo.

Enlightenment was the eye candy desktop back in the day. EFL was much simpler than GTK or Qt became, so now Tzen uses it as a base for their UI, but it's not just for mobile. The Enlightenment DE is still maintained, if under-used. Bodhi Linux is the only non-niche distro that really uses it though.

Hi

Yes, that option is there and many other useful options in moksha. Follow ths screenshot. Press border icon and go to border settings. Then select bordeless mode. In any window move troubles, hold ALT key a grab window with mouse :)

Stefan

http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-5f8b3a4f13c1e6.99632995.jpg

Enlightenment has a setting for that:

http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-5d80954ec5ab39.49591895.png

At the bottom "Disable blanking for Fullscreen Windows" :)

If your missing any packages, then you should find them here.

http://www.enlightenment.org/download

Never did like enlightenment. I try out Elive and really dislike it. Never like that terminal call Terminology. And everything just bulk and huge which I never could get a custom to. But enjoy it if you like.

You may want to state what features you need in a WM. there is a HUGE range of them.

> I want a Window Manager that can be configured either via a graphical interface or just with plain text config files.

Err.. that would be most all of them? I can only think of a few VERY old school WM's that require you to recompile them to reconfigure them.

If you want something Very configurable - there is http://www.enlightenment.org/

it has to be one of the more, interesting WM out there.

If you want to look at some of the ones from the past, http://www.xwinman.org/ has some you may have overlooked.

One interesting recent one - which is basically i3wm+some-gnome bits is https://regolith-linux.org/

Good Luck - You are going down a deep rabbit hole. :) Watch out for i3 - once you start configuring that, you will lose all track of time.

yup:

http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-53debedba030d5.15148962.png

and not a prototype or white paper. real code. now. today. released. usable. locally. no webserver or php. runs like any other normal terminal would with ADDED graphical inlining (videos, images, edj files - ala the tytop demo which uses 4 edj files of a dial and messages via escapes to tell them to spin to a new position).

also does splits (as shown above), tabs, backgrounds can be images, animated gifs, svgs, pdfs, videos and so on.

sorry - no "df" graphical demo, but perfectly possible. tytop was showing the basics. not shown - a tyls that has thumbnails of files with ls output. you can imagine.

Memory is a tricky thing to capture how much you are really using. Most modern OSes (including most desktop Linux distros) utilize applications that use up available memory when it is free to speed up application load times.

You still haven't been specific about what exactly you are doing - you are just posting random data without context.

For example, I have a dozen terminals open, Chrome browser with 6~ tabs and Morrowind running and I'm barely using 1gig of RAM with the E17 desktop

Screenshot of htop

Yeah, gnome has a ton of bulk to it. For a while I was using Ubuntu with Fluxbox which is light weight, but requires a lot of customization to get it very functional.

Enlightenment is pretty sweet too. It's still a bit buggy though, and not as accessible as the current window manager on those computers.

aaah the stripey wallpaper. that's gone now. its a dark grey radial gradient with little grill hols. tiny ones. this is what it looks like now:

http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-502333529620d5.45617972.png

The picture says "bodhi linux", so it's probably enlightenment (or e17, the development version), although I think this could also be done with open/fluxbox or even kde and some tweaking.

The point is, if they wanted to create a radically different UI, they should've given it a new name.

I can still install the latest FVWM or E17 and set up the UI experience I used 5 or 15 years ago.

There is no way to do this with GNOME 3. It literally is something completely different to GNOME 2, so it may as well have been given a different name, like DEIGO (Desktop Environment Isn't GNOME, Okay?).

Then, at least, there would be a clear path for users of GNOME 2.x to continue bugfixing it. Because of this subtle lie, that GNOME 3 is an improved GNOME 2 (and not a fork as it really is), the real GNOME 2 has been delayed in improvements for about a year and is only now starting to pick up again, mislabeled as the fork MATE.

I'm not arguing against change. I'm arguing that not everyone can change at the same rapid pace as a DE developer can change, and the pace at which people can adjust to change will change over time (become less and less as you grow older, but also wax and wane depending on how hectic your life is at the moment). Having to deal with this shit in the middle of a PhD isn't a lot of fun, especially considering that I chose GNOME 2.x over E17 and KDE because it was the most stable and bugfix-oriented DE out there when I started!

well, it could be meta...and be referring to personal growth, or it could be me referencing this software tool here. let your own mind decide. muhahahaahaaa. :) O_o

Happy birthday by the way. I share an august birthday as well. EDIT: link & spelling fixes

> The impression I have about Linux is a grey, nerdy looking OS with lots of anti-userfriendly visual noise.

What distribution of "Linux" are you talking about? You made very specific comments which means you must be talking specifically about one distro or another. Please tell us, for all we know you're looking at old images of some shitty WM.

> Ubuntu is a nice step in the 'right' direction, but it still doesn't cut it, in my opinion, compared to Windows 7 or OSX.

Gnome, which is used in Ubuntu, looks exactly like Apple Mac minus the little apple in the corner. KDE, which Kubuntu uses, looks almost exactly like Windows 7. Hell, you can theme both of them to look exactly like Windows 7 or OSX. Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about.

> Is there a Linux version out there I don't know about?....Please enlighten me.

Enlightenment.