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>Essentials plan

Where are you seeing Essentials plan as a response? The product looks to have been around for a good while but it's targeted at those who have corp email IDs already:

https://workspace.google.com/essentials/

It's no answer for the family gsuite accounts where email is the primary application.

>-Create free workspace essentials acct https://workspace.google.com/essentials/ add each user (use their email alias) to team account as member, main acct as manager.
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>-Create cloud identity for each user

At first glance, I would have thought it would have been one or the other rather than both.

What's the thinking for having both of these for a single user?

Thanks!

They offer Google Workspace Essentials Starter: https://workspace.google.com/essentials/ If you host email separate, it may offer sufficient features for your use.

Very far fetched. I don’t think they’re looking to create new free tiers for anyone. Especially not a free business product for families. Heck I only discovered last night that they even have an edition of Workspace for individuals (one man businesses). It lacks support for custom domains though. But does support bookings. So confusing. They overcomplicate things for everyone. I’d argue that the root cause of all our problems here is that Google doesn’t listen to or understand the customers. They are very good at creating new products, but often poor at execution. When it doesn’t immediately work out, the leadership changes and after years of poor support they give up and cancel it and make a new product to replace it. Rinse and repeat.

https://workspace.google.com/individual/

Check out this guide to see if any of it could potentially help.

https://www.notion.so/Hook-Up-Custom-Domains-To-Gmail-f227238798244f7abb69290e3691d54d

Sorry if this has been answered already - but is there a link to alternatives beyond these, with what is and isn’t included clearly listed? Basically I’m looking to retain access to Google drive, email, calendar, and that’s about it. I have a domain hosted elsewhere. Help appreciated, there is a lot of info floating around and kinda hard to navigate tbh.

For this specific case, the ease of use is more important because it would also be used by other family members that are not tech-savvy at all. They would have issues with anything that's more complicated than Gmail + Google Calendar, which play well with Android and iOS.

If I valued privacy more than easy of use, I would probably use EteSync for a end-to-end encrypted solution for contacts + calendar that works well on Android. Or maybe email services like Protonmail and Tutanota, but they still need a better integration with Android and iOS (especially for calendar and contacts).

>free forever

Apparently common sense doesn't exist for some people.

Anyway, Google never, ever, say "free forever". In fact it says right there in the term of services (which you agreed)

>Google shall have the right to change, suspend or discontinue any aspect of the Service at any time, without notice. If Google makes a material change to the Services, Google will inform Customer, provided that Customer has subscribed with Google to be informed about such change.

I suppose you don't have a legally binding docs, or even an ads that say "free forever"? ¯\(ツ)/¯

I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing but individual does NOT have custom domain in gmail "Workspace Individual does not come with a custom email address. Check out Google Workspace and Google Workspace for Education if you need one." https://workspace.google.com/individual It looks like a very special type of workspace that I don't know who should be interested in it.

Could use ProtonMail Professional but tbh for family use I'm not inclined to pay $8/mo/user (discounts bring that down). I'm in the same boat. I weighed up moving to Visionary, which includes ProtonVPN. But every time I did the maths I decided I needed 4 people, all keenly enjoying everything it had to offer, to be worth it. I'm sure some people have that, but not I.

I also have a ProtonMail Plus account, and I love it. The only deal-breaker, as you mention, is the lack of multi-user support. So I'm keeping the GSuite legacy for my family. Now, for myself, nothing beats the ProtonMail Plus/ProtonVPN package I have.

My feeling is that it suggests equivalency to all the other Yes's, which it is not because of the unexpected additional requirements and limitations.

This applies to all instances of No¹⁰, such as Infomaniak app passwords (Applies to calendar and contact sync only; IMAP, etc. uses the full account password. See this comment for more), and mailbox.org 2FA (4-digit PIN + TOTP manually entered into a single field for web login, and IMAP, etc. still uses the full account password).

This reasoning also applies to the instances of No⁹, where the feature isn't natively available but can be achieved using manual workarounds.

Would you say I should change all instances of No⁹ and No¹⁰ to Yes⁹ and Yes¹⁰? Or would it be more useful to introduce a value besides Yes and No, and if so, what would you name it?

Highly unlikely this means anything. I guess these are just the terms shown to new user accounts under G Suite Legacy tenants ever since they changed the branding to Workspace.

It seems that the oldest archived version of these terms date back to 2020-10-31: https://web.archive.org/web/20201031044304/https://workspace.google.com/terms/standard_terms.html

And note that it says:

> Google may, at any time, discontinue the no-charge version of the Service and only offer a premium version. In this event, Google will provide notice consistent with Section 10 of this Agreement and Customer will have the opportunity to convert to the premium version.

I'm approaching things the same way you are and are also concerned about Google's reliability regarding their other services (Drive, etc.).

Having said that my plan is to move my domains and users to mxroute for email and then, hopefully, we can keep our Google Identity for Drive, YouTube, etc. via the no-cost Workspace Essentials Starter ( https://workspace.google.com/essentials/ ).

I haven't made that change yet mainly because I don't see a way, clearly articulated by Google, to set up the Workspace Essentials account from my existing GSuite Legacy account. And, due to the frustrations with Google as discussed, I'm not making a move until I know they have their shit together regarding that process.

Are you checking it in the admin console directly?

https://admin.google.com/ac/billing/catalog

To me, all pricing was shown in my local currency.

It should be the same currency as the prices posted here: https://workspace.google.com/intl/en/pricing.html (you can change the language/region on the bottom of the page).

As far as I can tell, the no-cost option is already available as Google Cloud Identity. You can sign up an account without a credit card, you only need an email address to do so. I think this is the option that will eventually be made available to migrate to.

https://workspace.google.com/signup/gcpidentity/welcome

Cloud identity is a free licence. You can actually signup for it without workspace. [1]

In my experience you can delete the google workspace subscription and keep cloud identity.

It’s used for identity management with GCP and other google services like AdWords. High level if your enterprise was on Microsoft 365 but you wanted managed google accounts for thinks like AdWords / YouTube / GCP etc you can configure google cloud identity to integrate with Microsoft 365.

I don’t think at least in the short term google would kill this service but make your own decisions there. Don’t forgot there’s also google workspace essentials [2] but I’m not 100% sure how to add a licence for that from admin.google.com. If you want to keep google play store, some form of google drive etc the cloud identity free subscription will help here. You just need a email replacement.

For me personally I’ve moved wife and I to Microsoft 365 business (we had multiple domains and aliases so other options were limited) and I’m pretty happy with 50GB mail and 1TB of one drive. I only use iCloud for photo sync and have an old consumer live.com account with 400gb bonus that I use for backing up iPhone camera roll. I also use my old Google workspace with cloud identity free mainly for YouTube and storing some old google docs.

[1] https://support.google.com/cloudidentity/answer/7389973?hl=en

[2] https://workspace.google.com/essentials/

Ah, thanks, didn't know that.

Here's a direct link to that exact topic.

$1/user/month for 5GB, $1.25/user/month for 10GB. https://www.zoho.com/mail/zohomail-pricing.html

Side note: F*&% Google. They are like the ex that you keep thinking might change... Someday... Maybe...

the no cost option is exactly what i donot need, for last decade, the one and only thing i ever used in gsuite free tier was the email with custom domain for myself and families......

that's why i have migrated it to zoho.com, which has free for ever tier (max 5 user, only 1 domain, but that's enough for me).

I'll wait to see what exactly the no cost option offer

It was an speculation based on how Non-Gmail regular google accounts get converted to be an account with Gmail.

accounts.google.com/SignUpWithoutGmail

You can signup on above link with a different email (non-gmail) and then login with it, try to go to mail.google.com/mail and it will offer you to add Gmail and use an username for @gmail.com address.

People presumed the accounts will be converted to this status, which is highly unlikely considering organizational constraints.

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27 months, 99€, ending today!

Totally true. Nowadays, we should never believe any company saying that their product is Free forever. I have a lot of free forever subscriptions like GSuite Legacy, Ivacy lifetime, icons8 and a lot more. Each one of them does stop these lifetime options now and then. :(

The tricky part is that no one here (I think) knows all the details yet. What we do know is that access to the core services like Gmail, Calendar, Drive, Docs, etc. will go away. Google Voice seems to be considered a core service: https://workspace.google.com/terms/user_features.html

After the transition and (unless you pay) suspension, the admin will apparently still be able to export data for 60 days and after that you can still sign-in with the account and access content from non-Workspace services and paid content. So your YouTube content and Google Photos shouldn't be affected (they specifically mention both).

I'd assume that what happens is pretty close to what happens right now if you suspend one of your users. Maybe I should see if I can make a test account and suspend it to find out...

I think it's just an error on how the discount is shown, as the regular price in India is already 210 INR per month according to their website: https://workspace.google.com/intl/en_in/pricing.html

In my area, somewhere in Latin America, it's free for the first 6 months, then 70% off for a year and full price afterwards.

I didn't realize there was a way to get Microsoft email without using Office 365, so this is very helpful, thanks! $4 is an improvement over $6 when you have 10 accounts to deal with ($40/mo instead of $60/mo).

The other option I'm considering (if the free GSuite plan doesn't materialize) is Zoho Mail Lite which is $1.25/mo for a 10GB account. Zoho has ActiveSync and is pretty reliable, so it's a decent option.

I like this one Bluemail

Not sure if this helps, but I jumped onto Google Plan and searched for calendar apps, and randomly grabbed OneCalendar as the ratings seemed good and they have a support website:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=biz.codespark.xcalendarapp

Zoho is not listed so I flicked the developers an email and they responded promptly with this:

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>Hi,

Yes it works for Zoho using CalDAV. However you need to ask Zoho support to turn on synchronization for your Zoho CalDAV account.

Kind regards,

Jeroen

Weird as CalDAV seems to be on - or at least I can see the settings for it. Anyway might be worth a go?

>If I had only one user, then I'd pay Google, sure. As it is with five, it's just too much for essentially email (nobody cares about anything else in my family).

i was actually referring to Google One :-) Not just one user. I don't know how they handle it exactly, but what i have heard of is that gmail free accounts are indeed used to generate revenue (as in "you are the product") while paid accounts should be exempted from that. Thats what i was referring to.

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as for the SMTP server, i guess i will have a testrun with another domain. Wanna be 100% sure before switching.

Even the website doesn't mention it, but it mentions other smaller trivial apps like Keep: https://workspace.google.com/essentials/#

> Google Drive: Store, access, and share your files in one secure place. Google Docs: Word processing for teams. Google Sheets: Collaborative, smart, secure spreadsheets for fast-moving organizations. Google Slides: Beautiful presentations created together. Google Meet: Secure video meetings for teams and businesses. Google Chat: Simplified 1:1 messaging and group collaboration. Google Calendar: Integrated online calendars designed for teams. Google Forms: Easy to create surveys and forms for teams. Google Sites: Effortlessly create impactful team sites. Google Keep: Keep organized. Capture inspiration and to-dos effortlessly.