What is with the self deprecating page if you keep asking for more explanations? It's so... weird and unpleasant, it just boggles my mind why anyone would think that this is a good look for the site.
"we cut corners to beat the deadline, sorry"
"Quit, why go with an unknown software just stick with something known"
"Suffer, if you some how manged to set this up, it'll only get worse from here"
"Mobile Last (untested), Missing Features, horrible learning curve" "Unpolished interface, horrible quality"
"We have miserably spent 3 years of our lives and are still ashamed of the result."
"Claims to be a one for all but it mediocre at everything" "at least we tired"
These are direct quotes! I guess it could be seen as a joke but it's still so unprofessional. I want to see what this site can do, not listen to some one whip and shame themselves? I feel like I just watched some one get their lunch money stolen and then shoved into a locker, maybe this is an attempt at reverse psychology or making you feel like you want to root for an underdog? If it is, it's not working.
Edit: in any case, this and Clickup (which was recommended yesterday) seems more useful for teams and professionals not just for a single person who wants to have their muffin recipes and anime watch list. Or maybe if you really have a large scale project and want to focus on the development of that.
I like Roam as a personal PKM. I have no deep experience with Obsidian, but from what I tried it looks cool. On a team level there are surprisingly no great options so far. You may try fibery.io due to bi-directional links, good ontological structure (maybe best), decent search and bearable whiteboards (Miro alternative). However, Fibery has no blocks (so far) and it makes knowledge segmentation relatively hard.
Nice comparison. I wrote very similar that compares Airtable and Fibery last year
https://fibery.io/blog/fibery-vs-airtable-we-connect-your-bases!/
Fibery is a dark horse candidate with a really compelling proposition, if you're willing to invest in setting it up properly for your own context. Their founder Michael Dubakov has a lot of insightful articles about how Fibery is different from the other players you mentioned
Check out Fibery.io.
Less known, but with a great dedicated support team.
The software is designed to give you complete control about the information being managed, how it's visualized, and how it's connected to other parts of your business.
I just discovered fibery.io. It allows you to perform and incredible amount of configuration and apply hierarchy between different departments, setting up relationships between Objectives, KPIs, Projects, Stages and Tasks.
Once you've got all your tasks, you can view them on customizable list, board, report views.
Vizydrop has been absorbed into Fibery, and the visualisation/reporting functions are all still available there.
https://fibery.io/blog/fibery-vs-notion/
Full disclosure: I am part of the Fibery team :-)
Hey, good to hear back. This is a great problem that we face with most of the tools out there, in my opinion, missing features the others have.
Agreed for sure that Confluence is not helpful for what I think you want to do. The main reason for my failures in Confluence is you can't really do any structure that links data with any usefulness. They have "task" checkboxes, for example, but no way to track those, assign, seen on a board, etc. What good is assigning somebody one of those tasks in a meeting if you can never see if they were done, when they were done, etc.
A tool that seems to be bridging the gap I think is Fibery.io. If you are able to still look at alternatives, I think it's worth your look. It's raw and missing a bunch of features, but pulls together a lot of what both Notion and Jira offer. There's a discussion here about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Notion/comments/j6u9tz/some_thoughts_on_fibery_as_a_notion_alternative/
And if you do try it, would love to get your feedback over in that thread.
Keep me posted about what you decide if you can!
Glad to see you keeping on this u/theTimmyY! This is highly requested, and as this whole request points out, shouldn't be that hard for Notion to implement.
By the way, fibery.io is solving this pretty elegantly. So I really hope that's another motivation for the Notion team to get this done!
I need this too!
I've never read it but Simon highly recommends "The Humane Interface" by Jef Raskin.
Roam is great! Conor and I chat from time to time. They still have a lot of work ahead of them though. But one thing I've noticed is that all of these companies (Notion, Airtable, Coda, Roam) have very similar inspirations and slightly different ways of realizing them. Fibery.io is also really cool! I'd say that UX is the biggest difference between Notion and the rest.
I spiritually align with Urbit so much, but every time I take a look at it, I'm confounded by their decision to make such an esoteric and incomprehensible programming language. I absolutely love what they're trying to build and they definitely have technical knowledge I don't have but I'm just waiting to see the light.
Check Fibery.io. It is the first agile tool that adapts to your process and does not force anything. Here is the explanation of the vision https://medium.com/fibery/fibery-getting-started-64bd0839c85a