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Here is what the developers say
https://www.deepin.org/en/2018/04/14/linux-deepin-is-not-spyware/
>Deepin has to inform all those interested that our Appstore backend is a website and cnzz is a famous internet statistics analysis service provider that collects website anonymous usage information such as browser user agents, resolution, etc. and which is just a same product as Google Analytics. Deepin uses cnzz to collect website access information and so to know how to improve our website experience and detect website problems. No private information can be collected this way just by the data above mentioned.
This information could be sensitive to users in China or other areas subject to repressive regimes where people could be persecuted based on what apps they download.
No logging would be the best practice especially since cnzz is a Chinese company subject to Chinese law.
Also in theory choice of apps could reveal sensitive data think of a gay dating app or an app designed to help cope with an illness.
It seems like Deepin isn't malware just too oblivious to be trusted with our privacy.
Furthermore the Chinese government could at any time force them to include malware and mislead us on pain of imprisonment.
There is therefore no hope of them ever being trustworthy.
Okay, back at my desktop. Regarding the data mining controversy, this happened early-to-mid 2018. A couple resources:
Quidsup's video demonstrating the issue
Deepin's response where they totally weren't spying (wink, wink) but they've now removed the issue
Regarding the EULA: I'm having trouble finding the original version, as they've since made changes. There is a post on their website mentioning some of them. One of the things that was written in the original, if I remember correctly, was essentially prohibition of use outside of China, for example of the ridiculousness.
Also, even in their clarification, they mention that translation errors that can fundamentally alter intent/meaning are easily possible. In a document that can actually have legal consequences, I definitely want everything to be clear, concise, and accurate.
> The application is healthy, positive, no violence, no sex, no discrimination, no politics, no reactionary, no personal attacks and no ads, no illegal contents, etc.
> https://www.deepin.org/en/deliver-applications/
Their TOS prohibits sex apps, but not dating apps. Anyway, the OPs concern is purely theoretic as I've never seen any dating apps in any Linux distro's app store.
>The EULA could go away. Don't really understand the purpose (and did not read it all). First Linux dist that I have seen using this (and I have seen them all since 1995).
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https://www.deepin.org/en/agreement/end-user-license-agreement/
it's the gpl v3, plus a thing saying not to use their trademarks or sell the software. you need to chill with the hand-wringing
https://www.deepin.org/en/2018/04/14/linux-deepin-is-not-spyware/
>We hope this clarifies the spyware thing above and make the promise again that Deepin has not collected user private information in the past and will not collect user private information in the future.
In my opinion they still collect private data. But now it's worse: if they detect some blocking software (like Pi-Hole or NoTrack) they try to hide it.
I'm not sure how you would go about actually implementing something like it, I don't do much coding or graphic design myself yet, but I could at least point you in the direction of the Deepin desktop environment / distro. It's doing a bit of that Mac OS / Fluent Design esque frosted glass look that you're looking for in its most recent version, + nice transition animations in the desktop switcher.
- Open Synaptic
- type
linux-image-(it will list all available kernels you can download) - Mark for installation
linux-image-5.8.14-amd64-desktopfor example - Accordingly install
linux-headers-5.8.14-amd64-desktop(kernel version must match!) - Run
sudo update-grub - Reboot
source: https://www.deepin.org/en/2020/11/11/deepin-system-updates-2020-11-11/
If you're using Debian, I downloaded right from https://www.deepin.org/en/download/
I don't think I even turned off secure boot initially.
I just did advance start up for windows and boot from usb
I used Rufus for bootable drive.
Two nice Chinese origin projects are Gitea, Deepin Linux and its the desktop environment (built upon KDE blocks).
While they solve Asian languages specific problem (if you don't count dead languages), IME frameworks like IBus and Fcitx are developed in the open by Asian developers.
I haven't tried looking but noticed that there are more than a few Asian kernel developers contributing to Linux. When I looked at GVT-g, it seems like all the kernel developers maintaining the code had Chinese names (working for Intel but still this is open-source code).
Regarding Deepin packages: I've never found any for individual packages. They do, however, occasionally, put up a summary on their website. For example, here's the one from last month: https://www.deepin.org/en/2020/08/06/deepin-system-updates-2020-08-06/
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If the packages are from Debian's repository, you can view the changelogs in Synaptic.
LXDE, the desktop environment of Lubuntu is not the most flexible imo.
If you want a more Windows like experience i can recommend Xubuntu which uses the XFCE desktop environment.
The chrome OS launcher would probably best be matched by Gnome on Ubuntu Gnome.
Be vary though that Gnome uses a tad more resources.
Honourable mention: KDE on Kubuntu (or KDE Neon) looks pretty polished and is familiar to Windows too but falls into the same resources category as Gnome.
Edit: Just saw that your screenshot link already mentions what you want to have.
https://www.deepin.org/en/ is the Desktop Environment and Distro used in that screenshot.
Although the site looks pretty dead now that i look at it.
If you want kwin without the rest of KDE, you might try LXQT.
LXQT can be configured to run kwin. Here is how it's done on Manjaro, other distros are similar.
Other than LXQT, you might try something with the Deepin Desktop Environment -- either Deepin itself or any Arch variant. (Manjaro used to have a Deepin edition, but it seems to have disappeared.)
Deepin has done some analytics on their app-store that were, well, "unseemly" for a Linux distribution - especially since they were not up front about it.
It didn't help that it was a Chinese company's analytics code. They have since removed those embeds, I believe, but the damage was done. Here is their official statement:
https://www.deepin.org/en/2018/04/14/linux-deepin-is-not-spyware/
There has been no evidence of "spying" beyond that and I don't think it's fair to keep holding this over their heads.
However, there are still valid reasons not to trust Deepin Linux - first and foremost their mandatory-to-accept EULA and its content.
Here's a video that explains the issue better than I could easily summarize:
I personally found it hard to impossible to agree to the content of that license, especially as a non-Chinese citizen. But the distro gives the user no choice.
I have technical concerns about Deepin Linux as well, but I do enjoy their take on the Desktop environment and have enjoyed using Deepin DE on another, imho better, distros like Manjaro Deepin.
> lxqt vs. xfce, mate, cinnamon, lxde, elementary, deepin, and of course gnome
AFAIK Deepin is QT since a good while ago >__> , and their Deepin apps keep improving ( loving Deepin Screenshot BTW, even better than Flameshot - which is based on - or any other graphical screencap tool i know on any other DE )
I don't have a lot of time to customize my DE, so I often use the default one. Deepin's default DE is probably one of the better one out there, which is what I'm using right now: https://www.deepin.org/en/dde/
Office 2016 works on Crossover which is a commercial/paid version of Wine.
https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/crossover/microsoft-office-2016
Deepin comes with Crossover pre-installed if i am right.
Hum, bora ver... usuário comum, sem grandes pretensões a não ser fazer perguntas sobre qual é a melhor distro Linux no Reddit?
Há alguns anos atrás eu recomendaria Ubuntu sem pestanejar. mas não sei como ele anda hoje em dia... Talvez alguns de seus spinoffs, como o Mint ou o Deepin, podem te interessar, tanto pela funcionalidade quanto pela beleza.
Se com o tempo você quiser interessar-se pelo sistema e tornar-se power user, o caminho natural costuma ser escolher o Debian ou o Arch Linux, ou indo mais fundo, o Gentoo.
Leveza? Tipo, máquina velha? Olha, em minhas eras de fudidaço (hoje sou apenas fudido), eu já cheguei a usar Slackware em uma máquina Pentium III. Como não tinha acesso à internet, eu usava a rede da faculdade para baixar as coisas... Mas isso é a beira da insanidade.
Hoje em dia, eu recomendaria o Lubuntu - uma versão do Ubuntu para computadores modestos. Ele é completamente compatível com o Ubuntu, a única diferença é que ele vem com uma instalação mais frugal. Mas acho que sua máquina não é tão antiga assim, então o Ubuntu original já serve.
Programação? Qualquer distro serve! Todas elas oferecem pacotes para instalar as principais linguagens de programação, indo desde as famosas C/C++ e Java até algumas mais obscuras como Perl, Python, Rust, Haskell...
Quer algo para brincar num Virtualbox (máquina virtual)? Então eu já suponho que sua máquina seja ao menos uma Core i3 da Intel. Em termos de LiveCD, em minha opinião, nada até hoje superou o KNOPPIX.
> imagine someone will probably create an extension for customizing the clock, as is the case for every other desktop environment that allows user extensions.
The only thing I can tell you is that the first feature is under discussion in internal panel. And for extensions for deepin, you can refer to: https://www.deepin.org/en/developer-community/development/
Seems that you could be looking to something like this: https://www.deepin.org/en/
On elementary, I believe you can't get rid of wingpanel. I don't recall if you can auto-hide it, though.
Somebody so woke as yourself should be able to do some basic research but I'll oblige to prove a point...
First the freaking Desktop Environment has an EULA with a bunch of legal jargon that you have to agree to when you use the distro. Most desktops, let alone distros don't have a freaking EULA with a bunch of legal jargon.
https://www.deepin.org/en/agreement/end-user-license-agreement/
Section 4 under Specifications is alarming to me... basically saying you cannot use the software to publish anything that may harm "third parties".
You give up a bunch of rights and agree to terms to a company named Union Tech Software. Which is registered in china and subject to their laws.
There is much less creepy Desktop Environment out there especially for mother dearest.
This is Linux after all man, choose wisely. Choose freedom.
Well you could at least provide what gpu you're running while describing the problem. Could you check what kernel you're running? You might want to change to 5.11 stable https://www.deepin.org/en/2021/03/16/instructions-of-dual-kernels/
That is a very old video. If you read the description, or the top pinned comment, you can see they removed the tracking exposed in that video. The creator of that video also released a second video, explaining how they removed it and what it did. Linux Deepin Have Removed CNZZ Tracking - YouTube
The data they were tracking was not any personal data, only anonymous data about your web browser, which you can read about in their statement here
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As of today, no, I would say Deepin is not Spyware.
Deepin now supports gestures by default: https://www.deepin.org/en/2020/12/28/deepin-20-1-details-make-perfection/ (see full changelog at the bottom)
Deepin now supports more gestures by default: https://www.deepin.org/en/2020/12/28/deepin-20-1-details-make-perfection/ (see full changelog at the bottom)
Mm... the only thing I did different was to first install Fedora. But I deleted that afterwards..
Perhaps consider doing this:
- Advance startup
- Troubleshoot
- Startup settings
- Disable secureboot
- Back to advance startup menu
- Use a device
- Boot from usb
If that doesn't work, consider installing a bare Debian stable.
Install Deepin v15
Upgrade from Deepin v15. Full instructions here:
https://www.deepin.org/en/2020/08/06/deepin-system-updates-2020-08-06/
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Hope that works!
Deepin os has a new Fingerprint program... you could give a try and see if works :D
You can read about here:
https://www.deepin.org/en/2020/09/11/deepin-20-innovation-is-ongoing/
I have to say Deepin 20's beta looks closer still...
https://www.deepin.org/en/2020/04/15/deepin-20-beta/
I've got the current release on a test box, and it's a lovely distro. Smooth as silk, immaculate integration and polish. It is the current Linux desktop state of the art.
The only snag is that it barely seems to get any updates.
They're in pretty much every forum thread. https://bbs.deepin.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=142114&extra=page%3D1&mobile=2
And on the website
> Recently, there is saying that Linux Deepin is spyware. The logic is that Deepin has cnzz.com links in its website and Appstore, and since cnzz will collect some client information in the browser, thus Linux Deepin is spyware. It is really a serious problem, since nobody wants to have his/her private information leaked, as in the Facebook event.
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> Deepin has to inform all those interested that our Appstore backend is a website and cnzz is a famous internet statistics analysis service provider that collects website anonymous usage information such as browser user agents, resolution, etc. and which is just a same product as Google Analytics. Deepin uses cnzz to collect website access information and so to know how to improve our website experience and detect website problems. No private information can be collected this way just by the data above mentioned.
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> We hope this clarifies the spyware thing above and make the promise again that Deepin has not collected user private information in the past and will not collect user private information in the future.
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> Enjoy Linux Deepin~
Deepin wasn't ever a botnet. People got their knickers in a twist because they used a Chinese analytics company on their store. It'd be like people getting pissed over SUSE using a German analytics company on their site.
It's not the surefire strategy you think, local chinese merchants have a knack for undercutting foreign market entrants and the market for onpremise software drastically changed since when they pirated windows 7, and China already has a handful of full stack distros with quite a few good flagship software and DEs like Deepin.
But more importantly, a lot of computer uses are nowadays locked behind websites, web services and accounts you can access from any working computer or mobile device. You dont need a complete OS ecosystem anymore, just a secure minimal base that allows you to connect to web services.
What does it say when you click flash/burn the ISO in Etcher?
Deepin Boot Maker is another open source option: https://www.deepin.org/en/original/deepin-boot-maker/
You can also use Mac's built-in boot assistant: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-create-windows-10-installer-usb-drive-mac
https://www.deepin.org/en/dde/desktop-transplantation/ They've got a page on their website, listing all the unofficial ports of their Desktop Environment into other distros. And they're more than just, Ubuntu/Fedora/Arch ports.
I absolutely love Deepin . It’s based on Debian and has everything you need to use a computer right in the box. It even has its own Appstore with programs like Spotify, Steam, and Discord. u/jakeday’s kernel installs almost effortlessly to enable most of the Surface’s features (on my Pro 4).
So if i saw an English-language distro from China, my first few thoughts might be, "Why did they bother with the time and expense and trouble to internationalize it?
Well, since there's already an internationalised distro from China, and has been since 2004, you could just ask them. FWIW, in their About Us spiel, they say:
>Open Source Idea
>The deepin project is a creative and energetic open source desktop operating system. It insist the open source idea all the way, the development are under GPL License and all the code are open sourced. The code of the deepin project has all uploaded to GitHub, the community, open source fans and the company will develop the deepin project together to make a due contribution for the China's open source.
It's also worth noting there's already a #WeAreHuawei thread in their forum. Not many responses, though this one raises a familiar refrain:
>That can happen when you use closed source store and software. I hope that Huawei will build open source solutions and alternatives so that this won't ever happen again to anyone.
You are probably out of luck
As far as I know Debian doesn't deepin in their repositories anyway and the arm edition of deepin seems like abandoned
Well, what we know is, people complained about a service similar to Google Analytics on the Deepin Store. They explained what it is, and later removed it.
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https://www.deepin.org/en/2018/07/20/statement-on-canceling-cnzz-statistics-in-the-deepin-app-store/
You are mostly right. The anti-China sentiment even exists in the open source community. People are fine with using open source software developed by the NSA, but people are heavily skeptical of Deepin for no reason but "the devs are Chinese." It hurts open source when contributors from one of the largest Asian countries are treated that way.
However, there is reason to not be okay with Tencent investing in Reddit. Reddit is a shithole, but the memory of Aaron Schwartz lives on here. Tencent is heavily involved in censorship efforts in China. It's a definite reason to be concerned.
What I find most telling, however, is the fact that these folks are gilding anti-China posts. Essentially, they are giving Tencent money. That's not what you do when you are taking a moral stand against internet censorship...
Try to reinstall gedebi, either using Discover, Muon or Synaptic. Alternatively, you can try the Deepin tool to install DEB packages: https://www.deepin.org/en/original/deepin-deb-installer/ However, I have never used it outside Deepin, so I can't tell if it works on Neon.
First things first :
- Just to be SURE that Deepin works with your PC, you can download the Live ISO on https://www.deepin.org/en/download/. Virtual box just gives you an idea of how the OS run, but without your hardware. VirtualBox emulate new hardware. So just run the Live session first.
- Is secure boot enabled ? Look at your bios for secure boot, need to be disabled for better chances.
- UEFI or Legacy/CSM ? Same, if Windows is UEFI, better install it as UEFI. For this, your bios at boot menu should list both UEFI:{device} and {device}. Be sure to pick UEFI.
- Partitionning for me with Deepin is : 300MB for EFI, the amount of RAM as SWAP (16GB for you), then what's left as ext4, mounting point "/".
-Be sure to auto-boot Deepin (you can add windows to the menu quite easily afterward).
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Deepin aclaration
https://www.deepin.org/en/2018/04/14/linux-deepin-is-not-spyware/
Budgie Yes new, but stable. I'm currently using Budgie.
Initial release December 7, 2013; 4 years ago
Stable release 10.4 / August 15, 2017; 12 months ago
Yes. The main site is abysmally slow. If you're in the US look for the James Madison Mirror at this site: https://www.deepin.org/en/mirrors/releases/ That was the one I used I think.
SourceForge has it too. https://sourceforge.net/projects/deepin/
Again, if the downloads are slow, you just have to sort/filter the mirrorlist that the package manager is using. Apparently not all mirrors are from China, so first of all try that (Edit: Even for that, there is a guide on that page). If that doesn't work (so if none of these mirrors is fast...) then you could make an own mirror. For that, there is a quick guide at the end of the linked page.
I wonder what kind of changes you want to make. Because, most likely it could be done with some configuration / installing some packages - for which I don't think making a new distro is appropriate.
On my phone and can't check but there should be universities that host mirrors to it. Check out https://www.deepin.org/en/mirrors/packages/ for some of them. Deepin is small in the number of it's users compared to other Linux distros. Expect it to be slower than others to download. It's still faster than windows updates though.
I love Deepin for these main reasons: -Debian Based -Uses a custom desktop called the Deepin Desktop Environment and it is BEAUTIFUL and simplistic. -Runs really smoothly on midrange hardware. -Deepin has their own applications which are actually pretty decent.
We have our plan: Support for both deb and Flatpak apps; both can be installed to guarantee the smooth transition from deb to Flatpak. details you can refer to : https://www.deepin.org/en/developer-community/planning/
I hear Deepin is also not bad for osx users note made in china sticker all the best things are made in china ... or was it japan?
also you can use KDE Neon with latte dock for OSX like looks ... if you don't mind customizing it a good bit to get it looking and working the way you want it.