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I've just completed what i'd consider a transition to barefoot style running (about 8 weeks) after being an avid runner over the last 3 years. I'm not a coach, and have no formal training but I think that I can offer some advice to someone else who's going to do what I just did. I should add that I am a cyclist as well, so i'm not a couch to runner type, i'm quite active.
- I went all in. Bought the VFF (KSO EVO), bought Vivobarefoot shoes (two pairs) and haven't worn any other type of shoes since. I've really made an effort to focus on how my feet hit the ground to make the new normal. I think this really helped.
- Prepare to have a lot of calf/achilles pain for the first 3-4 weeks. In my case I was running under 5k per run, I was in a lot of pain, and had a tough time walking. Consider starting to take a Magnesium supplement (supposed to help with muscle pain) and drink lots of water. At times I thought I had seriously pulled my calf muscles (and a few other muscles closer to the front of my calves, rest with my legs up helped.
- Start slow. Very slow. My first run was 1.3kms and my calves were hurting for 3 days.. (https://www.strava.com/activities/275900485)
- Watch as many videos as you can, learn what good posture is, learn what your stride should look like and try and mimic it (this is a good youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/posetv)
- Consider getting a watch with a metronome - running at a high cadence is very important to the proper form, and I found having one on my Garmin 920xt watch was a godsend. I actually don't run without it anymore.
That's all I can think of now. I've put just under 300kms on my VFF now (and they're barely showing wear on the bottom), and just did my first 20km run this past weekend with minimal residual calf pain. I guess the only other things i'd say is that make sure you're resting enough between each run. And make sure you're eating enough protein.
Happy to answer any questions to the best of my ability btw!
Your coach has a boss - either a director of athletics type person or the school principal. Get your parents and a doctor's support and take it directly to one or both of the bosses in a professional and respectful manner.
You can also appeal to local press (TV, newspapers, locally focused social media like nextdoor.com or patch.com or a facebook group) .
You might also consider a dual-track effort by going to the press and the school hierarchy at the same time.
PM me if you have specific questions, I have some experience with this sort of thing and I am happy to help.
For those wondering (like I was) Slow Jogging seems to be a sub based around the ideas and teachings in a book called Slow Jogging.
Correct me if I'm wrong!
And /u/chrisabraham I'd suggest adding some basic info in the sidebar for people who stumble upon your subreddit.
I know this sounds crazy, I've run in VFF, Merrels, and Xero Shoes, and while Xeros have been my favorite so far as far as lasting value, which just released a closed toe, I have found these really cheap ones I like called "FitKicks" on Amazon. They're basically socks, with a sole on them a few millimeters thick. I do a considerable amount of road running in my neighborhood and I've burned holes in most of the listed above from anywhere from 3-6 months out of them depending on brand. Usually get about 9 months out of Xero, running anywhere from 4 to 6 miles a day. I'd recommend trying them for 20 bucks or if you're nervous try the Xeros, they're a little pricier but best barefoot feel I've had.
FitKicks Mens Active Lifestyle Footwear - Black - Large https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B16YF52/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yzyxzbVM1BRCT
https://xeroshoes.com/shop/activity/performance/prio-men/
I've also been wanting to bite the bullet and get a pair of soft star runamocs but haven't yet, so if you look at those and go that route, I'd love feedback.
If you're daring, you can try drawn-on flip-flops.
But my real answer is invisibleshoes.
Im using hot tuna splashers for minus degrees or salted runs https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Tuna-Mens-Splasher-Aqua-Shoes/dp/B078WNG18G/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=wasserschuhe+hot+tuna&qid=1622032745&sr=8-3 For plus degrees they are too warm and i run barefoot.
This is the pair I like. I have ordered loads from amazon(30+ variants). These have been my favorite. It comes with a flat insole(some have a orthodontic insole) the heal is nice and the laces are decent. And they have latest awhile. The spot when my pinky toe is has separated but it seems to just be the cosmetic top piece, no actual hole. But to be fair I have a really big bunion there and I wear out leather shoes there.
SAGUARO Mens Womens Barefoot Gym Walking Trail Beach Hiking Water Shoes https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KMQ5X4Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_NRGVB9VNE62QEX5Z0N66?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I bought these based on recommendations. They’re cheap and I’ve already put a ton of miles on them in the past few weeks, no issues (only that I removed the padded insoles). I bought them to use for snow runs since my Merrell VGs have wore down tread.
KSO EVO on amazon, $60. I bought one pair, about to buy 2 more:
Mens: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DYXM3AU/ref=twister_B0108T2TT2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Are you doing myofascial release for your arches? Start with a tennis ball, if you find it not doing anything anymore (too soft) switch to a lacrosse ball ($3-4 at a sport store, much firmer). http://www.ehow.com/how_8235849_use-ball-instead-foam-roller.html
...Or golf ball, apparently: http://www.livestrong.com/article/171171-proper-foot-posture/
Isn't that stuff pretty rigid once it dries? I've read about people using that plastidip stuff. There's an instructable for it (actually quite a few more on the side bar). You should give it shot then write up a report for us :)
I don't have a good source on it, but your running form should actually start in the hips and your spine should rotate.
No, VFFs are not great in the winter. I have tried Bikilas and KSO Treks. The Bikilas don't offer enough grip on snow and ice to be safe. The Treks are great for grip but like the Bikilas, offer no protection from freezing salt water. I have just picked up a pair of Inov8 F-Lite 195s, I hope they will keep my feet warmer. I am committed to doing a Marathon on Feb 20th, so I need a good solution.
I don't know anything about that plastic spray, but it looks like you'd only be able to achieve a very thin layer with it. Here is an instructable for a Sugru substitute. I'm going to pick up materials tomorrow, so I can let you know how that turns out. :)
I really liked the book Barefoot Running: Step by Step. He has very practical advice from the head to the toe about how to position your body and what it should feel like. (Bend your knees.)
Anyone had any experience with these Dr. Martens Men's Tobias Boot https://www.amazon.com.au/DR-MARTENS-Tobias-Greasy-Lamper/dp/B005M8WHJC/ref=asc_df_B005M8WHVK/?tag=googleshopmob-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=341743646091&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15244805027625539141&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=...
So two answers here.
If you’re running barefoot and happy - don’t go to shoes! The rest of us are busy undoing years of mistakes by wearing any kind of shoes for running. If you’ve got good mechanics now don’t blow it by putting on shoes and letting cushioning and grip mess up your gait.
As for the shoes... Xero Prios are damn durable. You could probably get north of 1000 miles on them and they have a replacement guarantee if the sole wears out. I also have a pair of the Whitins and they’re super cheap and they’ve lasted a long long time.
I'd recommend something like Merrell's offerings, I had the Trail Glove that lasted a good few years before it wore through the rubber, and now I have the Vapor Glove, which does seem like it is wearing a little quicker than the Trail Glove did, but still worth it for the build quality and comfort.
Having used Feiyues in the past I think you'll greatly enjoy the reduction in weight, though there may also be less sole padding,
If you think that you'll prefer to keep a little padding the reviews seem to point to the Trail Glove 3 having extra padding compared to the Trail Glove 1 (which was a little padding) and seemingly no padding in my Vapor Glove 2
You could try an anti-slip spray for the soles of some non-slip-proof minimalist shoes. I found this on Amazon but I'm sure there's more products out there. I have a feeling that there's not likely to be much crossover of the two niche markets of slip-proof and minimalist shoes, ha ha.
They sell them on Amazon, albeit in limited sizes. One review is claiming vivo has discontinued the model due to poor durability, but they are still on the UK site, so...
They actually work great as water shoes, I wore them this past weekend while tubing in a river. They do take a while to dry out though.
I've only been wearing minimalist shoes for about a year, but came across spiked massage balls on Amazon about six months ago and since acquiring them run my feet on them quite often during the day while working at my standing desk and they feel great on the footsies. I also use them for tendonitis relief in my elbows/arms and they work great for that too.
These are just the set that I happened to buy because they were on sale and they seem perfectly fine to me, but upon retrieving the link just now I noticed there are some with better reviews etc.
Great eye! Your comment made me go look for the order in my emails: these are from 2011. Time flies.
I also found an Amazon listing. I hadn't noticed the TP (Terra Plana?) logo. Vintage indeed.
Or you can get eosinophilic enteritis. Which, although rare, would not be even remotely fun to get. I will admit to being slightly biased, parasites are one of those things that I just DON'T like...
Source: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001706X96000162
I haven't heard of this before your post, so I had to look it up. There are some treatments listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailor%27s_bunion
Also, here are some photos to compare against your photos, so you can see whether or not surgery is something you want to consider:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tailor%27s+bunion&t=ffsb&iax=1&ia=images
didn't know what the word 'psychosocial' meant, so had to look it up. I suppose social pressures could be part of what he refers to, but I feel like what Sarno talks about is more about the pressure you put on yourself. I think 'psychsomatic' would be the more appropriate term here.
The whole idea is that an injury that doesn't get better, and injuries that can't be found by doctors using x-rays, MRIs, etc.....he discovered that these type of injuries are caused by repressed emotions, usually anger. or by childhood trauma, or by self-imposed, perfectionist-type pressure, or other things of that nature.
I recommend his first book Healing Back Pain. It's a short read and where he first introduces these concepts that he later expands on in The Mindbody Prescription.
I actually bought this book a long time ago when I was struggling with back pain, and after reading about him saying my pain is caused by emotions, I scoffed and put it down.
years later someone highly recommended I read his books and was literally cured within days. I couldn't believe it. still can't really. Ive told other people about this throughout the years and they too have been cured. it's really bizarre, something about even just LEARNING about what's going on usually causes the brain to give up its game and the pain goes away.
Howard Stern was also cured of back pain in this way. Stern apparently used to have to lay on the ground during commercial breaks because he was in so much pain. but after meeting and working with Sarno was cured. and Stern would then have Sarno on his show as a guest from time to time, to try to get the word out. here's one clip of him
For the record, I use smile.amazon.com and donate to a select charity
This is what my partner and I got, we're quite happy with them, £8 -
If you like the style of the Vapours, there are these that are much cheaper. They've been working great for me so far!
I got one of these foot massagers when I started getting arch pain and it helped mightily. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WLN5ZRV/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. Felt like I was getting the blood flow going and soothing those nerves. Also just felt damn good and helped relieve some stress.
I was back in action after a week or so but I definitely did not have full on plantar fasciitis, just some soreness. Tried to ease back in afterwards as well and switch to wearing some more padded BF shoes here and there and no problems since. I'll use the massager after a long run if I suspect soreness and that seems to help.
I am also tall and could probably improve my cadence. I just focus on ball of foot/midfoot landings and the form just kind of balances out for me based on the terrain and elevation. Try to listen to what the body/feet want is my advice.
Understandable. I got these because I also don't like short-shorts and I wanted something quick-drying with a pocket for my car key:
I put a boot brush by the garden hose that's nearest to my back door. I had to try a couple of different mats, because some have wires that might be boot friendly but are not foot friendly. I like this one.
Vesigo: Gel Toe Separators,Toe Stretchers Toe Spacers for Cushioning and Relieve Bunion Pain Rubber Toe Straightener Achilles Stretcher for Men and Women (2 Pairs) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RKK1HYM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_J81VSD1RJEPC3Z6VMNYD?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
These aren't true minimalist, because they don't have a super-wide toe box. But they are zero-drop. They're basically a Chuck Taylor that was designed for Navy Seals. The soles are extremely grippy. The shoes are also very durable.
https://www.amazon.com/Altama-Maritime-Assault-Friendly-Operators/dp/B074PTSR5Z?th=1
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Most Keens were too heavy and thick-soled for my personal preference. Not all are zero-drop, either. Admittedly, I’m super picky and I only like shoes that actually “feel” barefoot to me. I have worn the Merrell Vapor Gloves for just standard sneakers, and they worked pretty well. (Merrell Women's Vapor Glove 3 Trail Runner https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072135W48/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_fabc_mMmcGbH3R0VJE)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y3Z2CKK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_kTzbGbP78ADWM?psc=1
I bought these Chinese brand shoes a few months back. They are really comfortable and allow your feet to properly splay and flex. There is a little bit of arch support and padding in the sole but it can be taken out and worn without it. I still prefer my vibram v-run's but these shoes would be good for transitioning. The sizing was spot on.
I'm 15 for most, 49 in vivo/Freet - though on some models 48 would be ok. Xero sandals fit ok, but the shoes are constricting for me in size 15, plus I'm not a fan of the little bit of cushioning. Lems at size 14 weren't even close, way too tight.
Softstar I'm 15/wide, for Joe Nimble I had to email them and inquire, it was a bit of back and forth but they did come up with the NimbleToes in a 49.
TadeEvo makes some bigger sizes, at least in the one model aimed for bigger feet a few years ago, quality seems lower than most of the other brands, but they are cheaper, light, and quite low profile. I don't know how durable they'd be running.
Leguano had some that fit, they are soft and squishy, kind of designed for boat/marina use not running. Less wide than most other minimal brands, but not too bad.
When I first started wearing minimal shoes coming off a foot injury, my feet were swollen and shaped odd, I was a 16/wide then - and couldn't fit into much. I tried some super thin socks though, and some 15s started to fit. As my feet got stronger and more functional, they've decreased in size - I've been able to wear slightly thicker socks in some shoes, and the others I keep with the thin socks to allow 15 to fit.
I recommend the thinnest of Injinji toe socks, or these regular socks as the thinnest I've found - if you're wearing regular socks, that change could potentially open up new footwear for you: https://www.amazon.com/River-Outdoor-Alturas-Ultra-Lightweight-Liner/dp/B000V58WCW?th=1
Ok. So I don't know if this will work on your bad boys, as these are deffo well loved. But I've just recently repaired a tear in the uppers on my Trek Ascents & was so impressed with the stuff I used. I repaired my holey old Bikilas aswell! The stuff i used was Storm Sure. It's designed for repairing tents, kayaks, shoes, jackets etc.. It dries incredibly flexible, almost rubbery, doesn't feel hard to my feet. I've only used them for a week since my repairs, so can't comment on long term yet. But i was impressed with the intial results. Gd luck restoring those Vibrmas and getting another few thousand more km's out of em!
I am from Germany. There are quite a few of these type of shoes available on Amazon. See these from WITHIN for example: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07KN4NF44. Or these from Saguaro: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B083FCDL99.
However, I'd say your shoes look way cooler. When I saw your picture my first thought was also: "Where can I get these?!". So maybe it's worth to do a little market research; maybe there is a business opportunity for you.
I don't know what your shoe size is, but VFF EL-X are just over $60 on Amazon (for my shoe size, at least). I love this particular model because it is the most minimalist VFF offering, and yet it's a surprisingly durable shoe - I can run at least 500 miles in them before the sole develops a hole (usually the right foot for some reason).
EDIT: I completely missed the part where you said you're a female (whoops). There are a bunch of lightweight female models that have the same thin sole as the EL-X (which is male only for some reason), but I'm not sure how much those cost (e.g. Jaya, Alitza, et cetera).
Here's one of the results from Amazon.
As for how to tie them the Luna site itself has a good video.
Almost 300 miles in my Origens now with the leather straps. Only once, after the first couple of runs, did I have to re-do the knot on one of them (maybe not tied quite right at the factory) but since then absolutely no sign of failure with the straps at all. Taken them through mud and water with all the trail running and a couple of rainy runs.
They are a bit stiff at first but over time soften up (100 miles or so) and it helps to wear them around for casual use to that end. I've found you just have to stick with the traditional lacing and let any blisters or hot spots from the sandals persist and callus up. That was a problem for those first 100 miles but ever since then no issues and very comfy.
I don't think I will ever go completely barefoot but I use skin shoes. You can get them for average $5. I posted a link for some that are on Amazon. I put duct tape on the bottom for a little extra protection and so they will last longer. I did my longest run ever today wearing them. It was a slow 14 miles. Mostly on grass in parks. The furthest I ever went before in those skin shoes was 3 miles. That is what I planned today but I felt good. Once I got to 10 miles I decided to do my longest run ever (ran 2 half marathons in past). Feet fell great. Had planter fascittis in past when I ran with shoes. I'm not nearly as fast because I think you get an extra bounce from those cushioned shoes but overall this minialist running is way better on my joints, etc. Kind of wish they had minimalist shoe races. https://www.amazon.com/JIASUQI-Womens-Classic-Barefoot-Exercise/dp/B072176GY3
I’m on my 3rd set of these. Quality has improved a bit since my first pair. I only wear them with my VFFs when I workout / run. Will keep buying them as current pairs give out over time. Main goal for me in a VFF sock is no stink and these work for me. Socks
I bought some of these recently (as well as the over-the-calf version), and have been wearing them as my every day socks with my VFFs. They are very comfortable and seen to be holding up very well. They are thinner than both the average athletic sock, and than some of the other toe socks I've tried via Amazon.
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B087CQSKJF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_jkiKFb7JCMG5R?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Well, I have never climbed any glaciers or frozen waterfalls since going for minimalist shoes, so I've never tried. But I do have a pair of these and they work great with my five fingers on packed snow.
When I don't run barefoot I rock those puppies. https://www.amazon.ca/Merrell-Vapor-Glove-Trail-Running/dp/B01NBWAM6B?th=1 Love at first sight.:P
You could check the stock on Revivo if you're really desperate, although I have to say I think it's too expensive for used shoes, even if they are factory reconditioned, steam cleaned and sanitized. Also try Amazon Marketplace, there are a handful of sizes remaining in black only.
I doubt it's gone for good, probably just typical COVID related delays getting new stock and new models into stores. I expect there will be a new version or new colourways coming. The VBF store has been having a sale for the last week or so, clearing as many spring/summer season shoes as possible before the autumn/winter ranges are launched. It's happening in all clothes stores right now.
I let my kids wear those for the warmer months: https://www.amazon.com/Mejale-Leather-Moccasins-Anti-skid-Prewalker/dp/B014CSCTHC/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1536056873&sr=8-9&keywords=toddler+shoes+leather&dpID=51LeN7%252BZDrL&preST=_SY395_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
They are cheap to buy and we actually make them ourselves. My wife even created a model for the summer that lets in more air. We usually have a pair for indoor and outdoor use and sometimes one extra for indoor sports. My 4 year old daughter now even rides her walking bike in these shoes without destroying them by braking hard with her toes (like she would with thicker soled shoes). She now brakes in her leather moccasins like she does barefoot: by taking a few very rapid steps. I just love to watch these biomechanical adaptations that happen when strolling/waling/running barefoot or in very minimalistic shoes compared to thicker rubber soled shoes. Also has anyone noticed the what happens when you make your kids wear regular (high heeled) sneakers? They tend to stumble over their own feet and fall down more often than not. My wife and I use the term "clumsy shoes" when we see some kids running on the playground... Also if you need to buy more sturdy shoes for fall/winter look for cheap models with thin and bendable rubber soles/ wide shoebox in supermarkets. You can easily remove the insole and have a very minimal shoe for a minimal amount of money. Also for winter shoes try flea markets or buy used children shoes. Winter boots are always a bit more of a compromise between minimalism and cold protection. Shoes marketed as minimal still have a rather small market segment and are hard to find used and are maybe a bit harder to resell. As kids only were them for one season or so its best to buy used/ or cheap in my opinion.
These, though obviously it's US Amazon and they're all pretty similar I think. The shearling wasn't glued to the felt, but the pigskin did have a little bit of glue that had to be gently eased off. I didn't glue the pigskin to the shearling when I reassembled them without the felt, just sewed them back together. Obviously shearling requires a bit of maintenance because it's a natural material. A comb can fluff it up again when it gets pressed down, it should be aired/re-fluffed regularly and not just left in your shoe and walked on until flat for months. Combing/brushing it will also get some dirt out, dry shampoo can also be used to "wash" it and make it fluffier, and lanolin oil can be used to condition it.
Or you mean the electric heater? This one--though I got it a few years ago and can't guarantee it's exactly the same item, Amazon sellers being what they are. As I said, I removed the heating element from the socks and went DIY from there. The heating element works decently though. I had another pair of actual insoles before that I can't recommend--they worked okay for a while, but they were very stiff, zero ground feel possible, added drop, took up a lot of space, were difficult to tell when you'd turned them on properly or when they weren't working (until your toes went numb, then impossible to troubleshoot) and eventually just stopped working completely. I haven't had any of those issues with my modded heating element from the socks.
Honestly? Go read the sequel: “Born to Run 2.” He writes this one alongside his running coach, so it’s about how to fix your form and run better, faster, healthier, etc. Fantastic resource if you’re just starting out. They talk about form, training, drills, food, all kinds of things.
After running with less and less cushion over the last year, I personally agree with you. I’m down to sandals these days. Cushion is terrible for your feet. It’s like wearing big mittens on your hands then trying to sew. Yeah, you can do it, but it’s definitely not preferred.
Anyway, here’s the link to that book. Good luck to you:
https://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Ultimate-Training-Guide/dp/1524712345
I wore black Vibram FiveFinger KSOs to work for a long time until upper management caught wind and promptly banned separated toe footwear, deeming it unprofessional attire. I did some research and I found a decent shoe that works well for the business environment. They are the VivoBarefoot Dharma model. The model looks just like a dress shoe but lacks any cushioning, has no heel lift, and sports a wide toe box for our barefoot toe spread. These things feel like barefoot slippers and are a fantastic substitute for all you barefooters who have been barred from wearing barefoot attire in the workplace.
There is an eBay seller who lists them wholesale for $60 a pair: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mens-VIVOBAREFOOT-Dharma-Black-Leather-NIB-/320677615863?var=#vi-content
Make sure you go up at least one size over your normal shoe size as the Dharmas are know to be on the small end of the scale. I went up a full size over my normal shoe size and they are a perfect fit, so the scale isn't exactly accurate.
Hope that helps some people.
I have several different styles.
For ones to fit inside shoes, you'll want this type of style: https://www.amazon.com/Separators-Straightener-Separation-Combination-Overlapping/dp/B09S9WN28K/ref=sr_1_13?keywords=toe+spreaders&qid=1669911253&sr=8-13
For lounging around, any will do. The thicker the better.
I just bought these super cheapo ones and they seem to work great. Were uncomfortable at first and could only to maybe 10mins in them, now i can pretty much wear them all day.
https://www.amazon.com.au/Closeup-Separators-Straighteners-Corrector-Naturally/dp/B07PR4N2GT/ref=sr\_1\_10?crid=23JTHXFBFEDAF&keywords=toe+spacers&qid=1669867894&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI0LjI3IiwicXNhIjoiMy43NyIsInFzcCI6IjMuODgifQ%3D%3D&spref...
To be honest, you'll have to shell out for Correct Toes if you want something that's both comfortable and will last you a while.
That's said, here is a knock-off that is almost exactly the same for $35 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JQ52558/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It only comes in "medium" size though.
Currently a few of the Vibram FiveFinger models are priced at $50 or less at vibram.com.
Probably the cheapest shoes I actually run in are FitKicks. They are listed from $12 for small sizes on Amazon. My log suggests I've only run ~50 miles in these on the roads, but they look new.
These are fleece socks that I've been thinking about buying. They look warm and they're supposed to go over your regular socks so they're not soaking up sweat.
Do you just mean water shoes, or are swim shoes something else? I often walk in $10 water shoes I got off Amazon and they allow me to spread my toes. The material is like a slightly thicker, tighter stitched sock. I took out the inserts too.
When it comes to affordable shoes that abide by barefoot design principles you can't beat Saguaros. They're also pretty tough. My 4-year-old has tried to destroy his three pairs with no luck (he grows out of them before they show any wear).
I have two Strassburg Socks. I'll wear both at the same time.
Other things that can help are rolling the foot with a ball, or massaging the calf with massage gun, or rolling the calf with a foam roller (less intense) or ball (more intense).
There are Japanese work boots that look minimalist. They are split toe and you can find some that have steel toes.
I found these on Amazon, but are a composite resin, not steel. Jika-tabi is the word to look for, I think..
I walk/run 3-6 miles every morning with my dog. Three years ago, I got to the point where everything hurt all of the time. Sort of weird, because the distance is not significant and my pace was rarely arduous.
I switched to a zero-drop, flexible-sole shoe. The relief was immediate and persistent. I did develop some new sore areas and muscle aches in places I hadn't experienced previously, but the grinding, lingering pain was gone.
I've tried zero-drop/barefoot style shoes from a variety of brands, and hated spending $200 on shoes that wore out in a few months, so until I can afford my goal of a bespoke pair, I use an inexpensive brand that fits me well. I replace them every 4 months (600 miles-ish).
In addition to choosing the zero-drop, high-flex shoe, I've changed my mentality completely when on my morning jaunts. I walk at a pace that feels good and enjoy what I see around me. I veer off my route to follow my dog if she gets on some scent she wants to explore. If I feel like running, I do so for as long as I want to, and at a pace that feels easy. If I don't want to run, I don't run.
Brain/body connection seems to be the key to staying healthy for me. I have no goals for pace or distance. The only rule I adhere to is getting out and moving for at least an hour every morning.
My feet are fantastic (though I finally had to toss my entire previous shoe collection due to my feet now being wider and less willing to conform to trendy silhouettes), my knees,hips and back are pain-free, and I'm happy to pay $120/year to those dudes who make shoes cheap.
Just be barefoot! You can also use the kind of socks with a bit of rubber on the soil, like https://www.amazon.com/Ozaiic-Workout-Pilates-Hospital-Cushion/dp/B07NVC48BZ/
Flip-flops are what is more minimal with the "slider" feature. Prefer when they are 0 drop and with minimal cushion. Note that some say it's bad footwear.
sorry for the late reply
i wear these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09Z67MFQV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
and lem's boulder boot
i might try the altra escalante, they look like they aren't zero heel-drop tho, and they're probly not good for my work environment, we're supposed to have no slip shoes and leather/waterproof material is preferrable to cloth (hot coffee spilled on cloth=pain)
Currently I love to run in those Amazon Whitin Shoe Socks lol. (https://www.amazon.com/WHITIN-Minimalist-Barefoot-Multi-Purpose-Portable/dp/B08SJ3CCN6)
But I've heard that the Shoe socks from Skinners are far superior, so I hope to get a pair of those in the near future. (But for now, I'm enjoying the Whitin ones :3)
Originally I bought these to workout in, but I found I thoroughly enjoyed using them for outdoor runs a lot more. So now I just workout barefoot. I'm not sure if these are the most ideal shoes for running in, but for now these work for me and really give my feet a workout.
Anything from amazon should be fine though. Make sure it is a hard board though, if it's soft it's not the right thing.
They are Whitins
See also Joomra, Oranginer, A Leader and others for very similar models.
Hey no worries.
I wear these guys in my Vivos, Lems and Altras. They are more naturally shaped and have realistic spacing between the toes. 11CAD which is like 0.80USD. There is a small tear on mine, and its getting worse over time, but I've also been running and walking in them for the 4 months.
This is also VERY nice to do. Obv, take it easy when starting.
I've been wearing FitKicks KOZIKICKS as my winter slippers for several years now.
They fit like barefoot-style shoes, but with a plush lining.
Here's a link to them on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07612FMPB/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_CBM5MVZFZ9J5SCTC6BA8_0
Thanks again for the info. Can't find the exact ones I bought but they were like these.
Do you mean something like this? I always thought they squished my toes together. I like my toes able to splay out. https://www.amazon.ca/Smartodoors-Girls-Canvas-Ballet-Dancing/dp/B00UMOGH5G/ref=asc_df_B00UMOGH5G/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292948632191&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7953021778539341698&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvq...
Or is there something else?
I wouldn't recommend either. I used to swear by Trail Glove 3 but they've changed a lot. Toe boxes on the latest models of Vapor Glove are way too narrow compared to actually foot shaped shoe. I have a Joomra trail running shoe that would be great for hiking in, also does well on pavement, and not expensive.
I don't know. You could go with orange or silvery accents to match the shoe. Mix and match. I like the rounded ones myself, but you do you.
These shoes in my experience are very slip resistant. With the insole in, it's great for walking 10,000+ steps daily on concrete which I also do for my job. Plus they have tons of room in the toe box.
I own and love these. I'm not combat arms and haven't had much field time with them, but I have no complaints on range days.
The same socks that I've used before, when running in "normal" shoes. Example here. I just can't use shoes without socks, no matter how hard I tried.
I don't have any experience with Altra but I just bought a Joomra trail running shoe, has decent padding with the insole in, very comfortable and wide toe box. Also less than half what you paid for Torin 5. Maybe consider that brand :)
I got some tabi socks first but found them restrictive since my pinky toe goes inward a bit and I want to correct that. I got some of there which are a bit better but also got a hole on the big toe. I like the freedom of movement for each individual digit. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086GF4S8Z/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I like these because they’re warm enough and inexpensive, but I wear holes in the big toe pretty quickly.
3 Pairs V-Toe Wool Black Warm... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N6KV2HK?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I ran through a whole winter in some cheap Whitin Trail Runners. I'm in the midwest, so a good part of Dec-Feb, the roads are covered in snow and ice. These worked great in sub zero temps, snow and ice. I'll wear some warmer wool socks if the temps are below 0ºF.
Amazon? They have Knitido but also seem to have cheap ones like these (5 pairs for 6 Euros): https://www.amazon.fr/REKYO-Hommes-Chaussettes-Doigts-Respirant/dp/B075XBMY1P
If you can order from german Amazon I can recommend these: https://www.amazon.de/Zehensocken-echter-Baumwollanteil-handgekettelt-Komfortbund/dp/B00MR2RMYQ (10 pairs for 33 Euros).
They are a bit thicker than Injinji or Knitido, but also much cheaper and still OEKO-TEX 100 certified.
Are you doing the metronome pacing technique? I had to constantly force myself to slow down as my HR was unsustainable for long runs. This $10 investment has been a game changer;
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07785J8Q4?psc=1&ref=ppx\_yo2ov\_dt\_b\_product\_details
It wasn't until recently that I even realized some Whitins aren't "wide". I guess certain models are wide and others aren't?.
Anyway, I have the W81 in "Grey Gum" and they fit as expected, and they're advertised as wide. If you're looking at those, at least, I'd go with your regular size.
I've got a pair of Whitin sock shoes that work well. I don't feel like they twist around my foot at all. They would be my daily go-to if they were just a tad wider in the forefoot, but I have an unusually wide toe splay and they are pretty flexible so I doubt that would be a problem for most people.
After doing a ton of research on barefoot/ minimalist shoes (and not wanting to spend close to $100) I opted for these a couple weeks ago for $40 and I absolutely love them! I've only started the barefoot journey, but these had amazing reviews and I can 1000% see why ( i think they do mens too):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RHDS13V?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
i've got these and they are nice and wide and have huge toe box. I really like them.
Hoping their loafer style ones are as wide.
Thank you all for the recommendations.
While researching all the options, I actually found another I’d like to add to the list.
I ordered a pair of Jim Greens boots from Amazon because of the wide toe box & aggressive heel I was looking for. Tested them out and I can say they do have a much wider toe box than the usual, but are not minimalist wide. They’re pretty comfortable for work/hikers so I’m sticking with them for now. They’re like a cross between a Danner & a Timberland with much better fit.
The Mini-Mils & Hanwags are still things I’d consider in the future.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155064847974
I ordered these (except size large) - they seem to be exact copies of Correct Toes.
https://smile.amazon.com/Correct-Eliminate-Bunions-Fascitis-Separators/dp/B07JQ52558/ - Amazon version - looks exactly the same if you prefer that.
I'm also really rough on shoes and my Xeros have done this often.
May I suggest gluing them? Here are two contact cements that will work very well.
The fatigue and discomfort you’ve described all seem normal in transitioning to zero drop. With any new “exercise” it’s important not to neglect recovery/rest time. Your feet will tell you really quickly when you’re not treating them right, and will also heal really quickly as you adjust and adapt over time.
Massaging your feet with a lacrosse ball before bed and on a mid-day break will help soothe the atrophied muscles that you’re using again. A quick search do this subreddit will net you enough other exercises to supplement if you’d like.
Try working every 2 days until you’re not feeling so much fatigue, then every other day, and finally every day. Might take weeks or months depending on how neglected your foot health has been up until this point.
If you really want to understand more, this might be worth the read: https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Body-Barefoot-Transitioning-Footwear/dp/0989653986
I've been wearing different kinds of minimalist shoes for a long time now and the best shoes I've bought, from a comfort, looks, true minimalist, and durability standpoint, as well as the best price - under $45.00, are these Whitins. They're Amazon knockoffs and are the reason Merrill dropped their trailgloves: just couldn't compete with these. I loved the trailgloves, so I was mad at first, but, once I was in these for a bit, they are just way better, and better looking.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07R4PP2TX/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_2?smid=AH38Q19C11L2S&psc=1
Forgot to add the WHITINS.
For $40, these are more durable that the Vivobarefoot primus lite 3 specifically for lifting.
Vivobarefoot primus lite 3 - Great for powerlifting (squats/deads), but always had an issue with the sole/glue separation around the crease area less than a month. I tried multiple pairs, but all had the same issues. Amazing returns policy with them though, so you might as well try them yourself. With sizing, I had to size down.
Merrel vapor glove 3 luna leather - Too rounded and not stable enough for serious lifting (squats). Also, barely wide enough, but good room (length wise) in the toe box. I would pass on these. With sizing, I went with my regular conventional size. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NGCJ25?psc=1&ref=ppx\_yo2ov\_dt\_b\_product\_details
REEBOK POWER LITE MID - Great for powerlifting (actually designed for it), and even better if you remove the insoles for more barefoot feel. Zero drop and wide toe box. I really felt planted on these. Sizing is similar to converse hi tops, but much wider. They're currently OOS, so I suggest signing up to get notification. https://www.reebok.com/us/reebok-power-lite-mid-men-s-training-shoes/G55580.html
ah yea those are the same ones I tried out. I found them on the narrow side tbh. But foot shapes can varry alot. So if they work for you then thats perfect. I cant seem to find the wide option for amazon eu but heres what I mean https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NVFD4RV?nodeID=14807110011&psd=1&s=prime-wardrobe&isTryState=0&ref=tbyb_huc_1_DPB09NVFD4RV
I'd look into getting a cheap thera gun for your calves if you're not already doing that, and getting something to roll out your feet. I really like this thing
And they're tight around the arch/big fascia but not uncomfortably so.