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I’ve had really good success with this nylon strainer. . It’s not spendy, so my suggestion is to compare yours to it, and perhaps consider trying it. Some grains can be small, but over time if healthy they plump up. I have lots that easily are the size of US pennies and dimes.
I just bought a bottle here https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SQWHMXF/
that I will be using when I get it (tomorrow) onward to make water kefir -- IF it works. Don't know!
Cold brew filters (I have one) might be way too small, not sure. And the fruit-infusion filters (like the new container I just bought) might be too large. I have no idea. But I saw someone who said they were using a cup like that (fruit infusion) and it was working.
Good idea though! If the thing I'm using is too large for the grains I will try the coldbrew and see what happens.
I think they have a cotton muslin one too, but nylon seemed easier to maintain, at least for me. Another more spendy option is to get a conical mesh strainer. It’s sometimes anachronistically called a chinois. Works great too.
https://www.amazon.com/HIC-Harold-Co-43657-Fine-Mesh/dp/B0042KVL66
Looks delicious! These strainers work great, and clean up in a flash in the dishwasher (instructions say not to, but I’ve had no problems).
https://www.amazon.com/Kleynhuis-Yogurt-Strainer-Ultra-Fine-Micron/dp/B07868DR5D
This looks fantastic, thanks so much!
I also make Icelandic skyr, which while yogurt-like is technically a cheese owing to the addition of the tiniest bit of vegetable rennet. It’s also made with skim milk.
In any event, it, too, requires straining, obv. And the easiest way I’ve found to do so is to use a fine-mesh conical strainer (anachronistically called a chinois). There also are fine-mesh nylon “yogurt strainers” that can be had and clean up in a flash in the dishwasher (they advise you don’t do that, but I’ve had no issues disregarding the warning).
Recently, my grains have gone rogue and if I extend their fermentation they get yeasty and funky in a way I don’t like. So I need to rein them in a bit before trying this. Thanks again!
https://www.amazon.com/HIC-Harold-Co-43657-Fine-Mesh/dp/B0042KVL66
https://www.amazon.com/Kleynhuis-Yogurt-Strainer-Ultra-Fine-Micron/dp/B07868DR5D
I agree with the previous poster. I bought my grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon. They were inexpensive, and others here have purchased from this particular seller as well. (No, I'm not affiliated with them in any way.)
Unless you can somehow find someone locally, you're gonna have no choice but to send away for them. Fortunately, grains are hardy little devils, and they will be fine.
I (and many others in this sub) purchased grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon. They have 3,000+ excellent reviews.
I (and many others in this sub) got grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon. They have great grains and almost 3,000 excellent reviews.
Lactose is just a sugar. You can buy it on Amazon.
Around 10 grams of lactose in an 8oz of cow milk. 10*16cups = 160 grams in a gallon.
160 grams of powdered sugar converts to 1 cup.
So, 1 cup of lactose per gallon of coconut milk.
IBS here. Keifer has not made me better or worse,but I like it,so I drink it. When I was treated for h pylori,keifer did help mitigate my symptoms. What has helped is Holigos. I order it from the company,but you can also get it here.
Amazon have different types fermentation heating pads.
I'm having the same issue with my Sauerkraut. My room temp is to low. My plan is to get some thick polystyrene and make a fermentation chamber, using the heating pad to keep it warm.
I've just found it, in case you're still interested
I got these because it was cheaper to get two. I keep my kombucha and my kefir on them
Intersting. I've never thought of fermenting flax. I often use the whey from milk kefir to start fermenting other things.. might have to try that.
What is very long? Even at 72hrs there is still a good deal of carbs left. see table 2 in https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Microbiological-and-Chemical-Properties-of-Kefir-of-Suriasih-Aryanta/4520a25947cedabac23173d40c919b48c2aef218
As much as I really despise Bezos, I've found wonderful luck with Florida Sun kefir grains from Amazon. This photo shows the new grains on the bottom compared to my old ones on the top. They are huge and have already doubled in volume since I got them two weeks ago.
> I am not reusing "grains" like most people say around here
Uh, you just answered your own question. This (above) is why you're having problems.
> Can someone please tell me how I can keep it good for longer than 3-4 days?
To be honest, I'm surprised I'm surprised it lasted that long.
> This is very frustrating
Then buy some actual grains. Many people here (including myself) got theirs from THIS SELLER on Amazon. They have 6,200+ excellent reviews.
Good luck!
The taste will get very tangy after a while. If you like that then fine. It is not complicated to strain it. I use this strainer https://www.amazon.com/IMUSA-IMU-71133-Plastic-Strainer-6-Inch/dp/B00IA8KNAQ/ref=sr_1_14?crid=1JQFIHZD9P4Z7&keywords=Strainer&qid=1659914245&sprefix=strainer%2Caps%2C508&sr=8-14
and I strain it into a plastic container, add my flavorings or fruit, then into the fridge.
I use one like this permanent coffee filters The 4 cup (meaning for a 4 cup coffee maker) is just right for my needs and fits around the lip of a large coffee cup and drains the whey into the cup when placed in the fridge for a few hours and covered. I am in the process of replacing it with a stainless steel version to avoid the plastic, but it has worked wonderfully.
>Unfortunately store bought kefir is not "alive" and has added normal sugar hence the mold.
The ingredients label for [Lifeway Kefir](https://www.amazon.com/Lifeway-Nonfat-Plain-Kefir-Ounce/dp/B00B03YTI0/) says it contains "live active cultures"
This, specifically. The grains have to be rehydrated, but they never worked and the company wouldn't respond. When I bought it the reviews were all positive. Now, it's 24% 1-star reviews from people who had my same experience.
I live in Argentina and this is the only yogurt maker I could find that has on single container instead of multiple small glasses. I am not sure they sell this outside South America.
I have browsed Amazon for US delivery and this looks very similar:
It is exactly the same concept, by an different brand.
Yep it's the powdered one. I'll buy the live culture next time
Milk Kefir Starter Cultures - 3 sachets for up to 100 liters of Kefir https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00B0CZTRG/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_F6TPM3S3F5V9M47EJN35?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I use one made with a silicone strainer and a stainless steel funnel. The holes are perhaps a tad small but it does the job.
Norpro Stainless Steel Wide Mouth Funnel with Silicone Strainer - https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0036B9KF6/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_WWN41943YVHWAKFBKDK3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Making grains is extreamly difficult and has not been shown to occur from store bought grains (though it is technically possible it might take months).
Inthe book Bacterial Polysaccharides: Current Innovations and Future Trends
By Matthias Ullrich, Caister Academic Press; 1 edition (June 2009)
http://www.amazon.com/Bacterial-Poly.../dp/190445545X
http://books.google.com/books?id=SBh...page&q&f=false
Top left page 273
"motaghi et el. (1997) showed that it is possible to grow kefir grains on the skin of a sheep stomach bag. pasturized milk and sheep intestinal microflora were incubated at mesophillic temperature. The coagluate was frequently replaced with fresh milk. After a period of three months, the polysaccharide-protein matrix [kefir grains] had developed."
Get plastic lids for your mason jar so you can shake the whole thing a couple of times while it’s fermenting. I don’t know if you’re using standard or wide mouth but this is what I’m talking about.
STARUBY 16Pcs Plastic Mason Jar Lids - 8 Regular Mouth Lids and 8 Wide Mouth Plastic Storage Caps for Mason Jars, White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S344V34/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_1ANK5740N99HWEWFGDAF
I have been using this one for a few months:
https://www.amazon.com/Kombucha-Brewing-Fermentation-Heat-Wrap/dp/B07F1B2HMB/
After three years of making kefir, mine started behaving quite differently this fall, after I switched to ultra-pasteurized milk. Wrapping this around the jar is one of the ways I have managed that as the cooler temps in the house slowed the fermentation.
> it is not possible to keep it alive for longer than a few batches is that true? Where do you access grains in that case?
That is correct. Kefir starter can only be used a handful of times. You cannot make kefir forever using kefir starter. For that, you need grains.
I got my grains from THIS Amazon seller. Their grains are great, and they have 5,000+ excellent reviews.
I got mine a few years ago so the listing is long gone, but they look like this. Mason jar middle part of the lid, with a nipple on top that has a slit in it to let excess gas escape. Can also find them online by looking up airlock lids, waterless airlock, silicone fermenting lids, etc.
- 48 hours should be good for your first ferment.
- the second ferment is where you get your "carbonation" effect. If you want it to bubble like soda you have to keep the gases contained.
- you do not add any sugar to the second ferment - only fruit or fruit to juice to flavor your water kefir.
- paper towel secured by a rubber band is completely fine.
- personally I use mineral water and this organic sugar. I find it at my local grocery store so you should not need to order it from Amazon.
Supposedly metal is a no-no. I use something like this inside of a plastic bowl.
I've gone through similar process, though for milk kefir I do a quart every other day. I also add protein powder (whey, peanut or soy depending on what I want), which makes it more energy dense. Often, I also add Konjac powder, which makes it super thick, e.g. mousse like, and more filling.
Similar impact on deserts and soda. Both fructose and artificial sweeteners also impact your micro-biome, see https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Gut-microbial-adaptation-to-dietary-consumption-of-Payne-Chassard/8b7309806e40ec560df6c4d1ed11e3970d439a89
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You might find next up is replacing all soda with water kefir.. I drink 1-1.5L of that a day.
TECHTONGDA Electric Horse Riding Abdominal Exercise Machine with Safety Switch Stomach Weight Loss Trainer for Abdominal Fitness Exercise https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F3VMQT3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_6KR0WF9MDV9GPC0Y8ATX?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Numerous people in this sub (myself included) bought their grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon. They have almost 5,000 excellent reviews, and their grains are top notch. Good luck!
Looks like the one I was using:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IA8KNAQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
it is 6 inch, the diameter just fit in a 4 cup glass measuring cup(I was using to catch the kefir), for 28-30oz Kefir+grains, this one can't process all at once.
a 7 inch strainer can hold over 30 oz with no problem, that is the one I used for the "container setup".
I have tried with banging the shaking the 6 inch strainer over the measuring cup, it gets kefir drops all over the place.
It comes down to how much total volume is there and strainer mesh size and if you have big enough bowl to catch the stained kefir.
My kefir is thick enough to support a tablespoon stuck in the center, and I’m done straining in just minutes with one of these spatulas through one of these strainers.
> If I wanted to make a business out of this, I would look to add some value, and also charge just 1 or 2 dollars above shipping
Um, you'd never "make a business out of this" because you obviously know nothing about running a business. In fact, I bet you're a drone who works hard to make somebody else rich (assuming you have a job).
FYI, selling kefir grains is not a lucrative business, and the fact that you think you'd make a "healthy profit margin" proves how naive you really are.
Also, I hate to break the news to you, but the seller that you linked to is selling 1/2 of a teaspoon of kefir grains for $5.90. Let me repeat.....1/2 of a freakin TEASPOON. Now that's raping ppl! On the other hand, this seller on Amazon is selling 1 TABLESPOON of kefir grains for $16.98 (which includes shipping).
*I know you're a little slow, so let me break it down for you: The seller you linked to is selling 0.5 teaspoons of grains for $5.90. And it takes 3 teaspoons to make 1 tablespoon. So if a person wanted to buy 1 tablespoon of grains from your ripoff seller, they'd have to pay $35.40!! ($5.90 x 6 = $35.40)
So YOU are actually the one who's promoting a seller that's "raping ppl"! $35.40?!?! Dumbass LOL!
> If I wanted to make a business out of this, I would look to add some value, and also charge just 1 or 2 dollars above shipping
Um, you'd never "make a business out of this" because you obviously know nothing about running a business. In fact, I bet you're a drone who works hard to make somebody else rich (assuming you have a job).
FYI, selling kefir grains is not a lucrative business, and the fact that you think you'd make a "healthy profit margin" proves how naive you really are.
Also, I hate to break the news to you, but the seller that you linked to is selling 1/2 of a teaspoon of kefir grains for $5.90. Let me repeat.....1/2 of a freakin TEASPOON. Now that's raping ppl! On the other hand this seller on Amazon is selling 1 TABLESPOON of kefir grains for $16.98 (which includes shipping).
*I know you're a little slow, so let me further explain: The seller you linked to is selling 0.5 teaspoons of grains for $5.90. And it takes 3 teaspoons to make 1 tablespoon. So if a person wanted to buy 1 tablespoon of grains from your ripoff seller, they'd have to pay $35.40!! ($5.90 x 6 = $35.40)
And you're bragging about that?!?! Dumbass LOL!
> If I wanted to make a business out of this, I would look to add some value, and also charge just 1 or 2 dollars above shipping
Um, you'd never "make a business out of this" because you obviously know nothing about running a business. In fact, I bet you're a drone who works hard to make somebody else rich.
FYI, selling kefir grains is not a lucrative business, and the fact that you think you'd make a "healthy profit margin" proves how naive you really are.
Also, I hate to break the news to you, but the seller that you linked to is selling 1/2 of a teaspoon of kefir grains for $5.90. Let me repeat.....1/2 of a freakin TEASPOON. Now that's raping ppl! On the other hand this seller on Amazon is selling 1 TABLESPOON of kefir grains for $16.98 (which includes shipping).
*I know you're a little slow, so let me further explain: The seller you linked to is selling 0.5 teaspoons of grains for $5.90. And it takes 3 teaspoons to make 1 tablespoon. So if a person wanted to buy 1 tablespoon of grains from your ripoff seller, they'd have to pay $35.40!! ($5.90 x 6 = $35.40)
And you're bragging about that?!?! Dumbass LOL!
Many people in this sub (including myself) bought their grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon. Their grains are top notch, and they have 4,200+ excellent reviews.
Good luck!
I don't wash my brewing jars (either milk or water) unless they just get too crusty. I wipe the rim from when I poured it out. I bought these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RDXY2CV/ref=twister_B07TMQWL4V?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 to strain my water kefir and they never have to leave the jar. The milk kefir is too thick to go through the holes easily.
You also can use a seedling mat with thermostat, or a kombucha heating wrap like this one to coil around your jar.
Wow so many great tips, fascinating lore, and trivia. Thank you! I’ll save this for future reference.
I’ve been consuming about a cup a day, with no overly ill effects other than a bit of a rush when I have it first thing, together with the gastro effects you’ve described. I’ll cut it back, like you’ve suggested. I wonder if both aren’t caused by an intestinal serotonin release (which can cause more watery stools in addition to lifting mood). I drink kombucha and eat other fermented foods, so maybe that’s helped mitigate the response somewhat but better to be careful, and why rush, right? What’s more I’ve been craving it! I wonder if the SCOBY doesn’t have “zombie” effects haha.
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My grains are from Poseymom too, but I’d also like to try Gem Cultures, but they’ve been out of stock.
And I’ve thankfully fermented and stored exactly as you describe: glass Weck jars covered with a coffee filter to primary ferment, then into the fridge in a Pyrex container with lid I don’t fully seal to avoid explosions and because I don’t want it to get fizzy by trapping CO2, or inadvertently making conditions more favorable to yeast by creating a more anaerobic environment.
If you need a tad more heat, maybe consider a wrap heating mat, like this one . The company’s owner, Glen, is also a very nice guy when I’ve written (no affiliation).
I’ve been very happy with my results the past few days, since it’s now getting warmer in NYC, by placing my jar in a small cooler with an ice pack that keeps the jar (I have a stick on liquid crystal thermometer) at 72°F.
Thanks so much again!
Cuisinart Set of 3 Fine Mesh Stainless Steel Strainers https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007TUQF9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_VKBADG7GJB6HM81ZQFXP?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
This is basically what I use!
I do find it much easier to separate the kefir from the grains if I stir it with my spatula before I dump it into my strainer. If I don’t do that I get a lot of clumping. Mixing the whey back into the curds helps get rid of the weird chunks of cream that don’t like to go through the strainer.
Who the heck are you ordering from that takes 10 days to get you your grains? You need to find a new seller man.
I (and many others here) bought grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon. They have 4,200+ excellent reviews, and the grains have been great. My buddy got his order in 2 days.
Good luck!
Just buy some online. Many people in this sub (including myself) bought grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon. Their grains are great, and they have 3,900+ excellent reviews.
Good luck!
The easiest thing to do is to buy some grains off Amazon. I got mine from THIS SELLER. Others here have purchased from this particular seller as well. Their grains are inexpensive, and they have a ton of great reviews.
Several people in this sub (including myself) have purchased grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon. Their grains are excellent, and they have 2,300+ great reviews as well.
Google Mr. and Mrs. Kefir for their website. They sell on Amazon, too.
I got the dehydrated ones first but purchased (on Amazon) from Mr. and Mrs. Kefir because of the raw milk. Came in a small container and worked great. I'm new to this, so appreciated their instructions and good grains.
> Where do kefir grains come from
No one knows for sure. (Just like no one can say for sure where humans came from.)
> where do you buy them?
I bought mine from this seller on Amazon.
I was just looking to buy something similar, because I moved and my new kitchen is too cold for anything to ferment properly in a timely fashion. I am trying to also make filmjolk, which needs room temperature, and would also like to make Quark, which needs a different temperature entirely that yogurt or kefir.
I have two yogurt makers that are too hot, so currently trying to figure out a way to use them without anything actually touching the too warm base.
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Basically, I'd buy this if:
- I can set the temperature digitally anywhere between 20C to 50C and also set an auto-timer
- The top is expandable so I can use a higher jar
- The base is large enough for at least two large jars
I would not buy it if it was set on one temp setting and only for kefir. Multi-use, as others stated, is key here, as that would allow me to justify getting yet another appliance by donating my current yoghurt makers.
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I have this in my amazon shopping cart, this should give you some great ideas: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MEEH0SE/ I love the collapsible design , the size, the fact that you can add shelves and the temp settings. I dislike the price and that it isn't very pretty to look at. Yours is awesome because it would also keep things cool in the summer time, though I find I have less of a need for that. Consistent heat is more what I personally need.
> Got the grains from a local health food store
Don't know what the other commenters are talking about, but the problem here is that you did not buy kefir grains. You bought kefir starter. Big difference.
You can buy actual grains HERE on Amazon.
Just in case, here's another on Amazon that I've had for a couple of weeks. Only took a few days before they were doing really well.
I got some off amazon, these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B011IXTPMQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I got my mom the cultures for health ones.
Mine were producing in about 2 days, hers took a few days longer. I've been pretty rough w/ them, shaking them out, throwing them in the fridge and finishing off in the counter, washing them in tap water, etc. They're still strong af! would recommend
I (and many others in this sub) bought grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon.
They include instructions, and they also made THIS VIDEO for their customers.
Good luck!
The most low effort way I've found to do milk kefir is to buy silicone tea bags, like these.
You put the kefir grains in the tea bag, then just lift them out once the milk has cultured. I do it in mason jars so I can put the jar straight in the fridge once the tea bag is out.
+10
Fusion Teas is great!
*To the OP: Many people in this sub got their grains from Fusion Teas, which has 3,000+ excellent reviews.
Good luck!
Many people in this sub (including myself) have purchased grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon. They have over 3,100+ excellent ratings. I believe they're based in Texas.
Good luck!
Try Amazon. I bought my water kefir grains from this link (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010PBELYY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9G4aFb4XRVAAR) and they work perfectly!
If you want to connect with folks locally, I can’t help!
> I have browsed the web like crazy but have yet to find where I can purchase
Um, did you not search Amazon?
I (and many others here) have purchased grains from THIS SELLER, who has 3,000+ excellent reviews.
Good luck!
What type of kefir are you drinking? I make mine using raw organic, unhomogenised, non GMO, grass fed cows milk. Long whinded but I went into this wanting results so I opted for the best. I recommend milk kefir to everyone but imo there's no point unless you're using raw milk. You can get decent results with organic pasteurised milk but it won't be as good as the raw milk that has all the enzymes and nutrients retained. Any other type of non dairy milk isnt going to provide the grains with the nutrients they need to thrive and therefore produce the best quality kefir. I've made milk kefir on and off throughout the years and have noticed huge differences in my immune system compared to when I'm not drinking it. When drinking 2 latte glasses a day I notice no colds, no runny nose, improved energy, less sluggish, amazing skin, etc. I'm also picking it back up now because I'm attempting to heal my own tooth decay (amongst using other home remedies). It truly is a powerful superfood, keep it up! In the early stages of making milk kefir I too got fed up with cleaning strainers, spoons, etc. Thankfully tho my work sell a container specially designed for milk/ water kefir, it's an all in one container with a built in strainer, so no need for all that irritating washing up. Here's a link to one on amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kefirko-Fermenter-Starter-Easily-Violet/dp/B0181DH2TO
No, you'll never find grains at the store. FWIW, I bought my grains from THIS SELLER on Amazon. (They have 2,800+ excellent reviews.) However, it looks like another commenter lives in your area and is willing to give you some grains, so that's your best bet!
Combined with a few days of a no-carb diet, boron pills will kill any candida inside of you, but it cant change the environment you currently have that is encouraging it.
You must stop eating poorly and change to a no-carb / low carb diet. No alcohol. To change your internal microbiome, try S. boulardii, it works for some people. Also, get your vitamins checked. Low vitamins can create an environment where good bacteria don't thrive.
Killing the candida inside you is easy, creating an environment where good bacteria dominate so it wont come back is extremely difficult.
I bought mine off Amazon (the seller has over 2,100 great reviews): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007GGRJTG/ref=twister_B07CJXH7YZ?_encoding=UTF8&th=1
However, I don't know if they ship to Canada.
Thank you for the reply! I strain the grains and put it in my fridge as soon as I see the yellow whey starting to appear at the bottom of the jug.
I hadn't actually been weighing the grains, I was just dumping my whole container, about one cup, here.
I have two questions actually, I see people saying they use coffee filters over the top....I've been using this fermentation jar, and lightly screwing the top on it, not all the way tight though. Does the coffee filter let it get more air?? Also, when you put the batch (with grains strained out) into the fridge with the tight cover, aren't you afraid of the jar exploding from pressure?
Im waiting for my first set of kefir grains (in the US). I went with amazon seller "Mr and Mrs Kefir" https://www.amazon.com/Milk-Kefir-Grains-Fresh-Mr/dp/B00UQMPJOE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496342321&sr=8-1&keywords=Mr+and+mrs+kefir
I just got some from this guy. Not sure if he ships to the UK or not, but the grains (live) revived very easily and they are potent!
According to him, he's successfully revived grains even after 3 weeks in the post, so assuming they're packaged right they should travel just fine.
My water kefir grains (just purchased a few weeks ago) came from Florida Sun Kefir, and they are now on their third batch and have produced some wonderful kefir so far. Not sure if you're looking to do milk or water, I think they only do water though. I got mine here: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051WV5K6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I only drink a half cup of kefir a day, so I use a clean small espresso jar.
I use the jar's lid, only tightening it to "fingertip tight". Ferment 24 hours, remove grains and plop them into a clean jar, and let the kefir continue to ferment another 24 hours.
1 - There's really no need to rinse. Swishing the cage and grains around in the milk of a new batch should be sufficient.
2 - If it works for you, there's nothing wrong with it. I like it to ferment 24 hours, that way I only have to take care of it once a day, and so I don't overproduce and waste milk. Simply reduce the amount of grains you're using for it to take longer.
3 - I'm also on a ketogenic diet. There's really no way of knowing the carbohydrate content of homemade kefir, so I calculate it the same as commercially-produced kefir, about 6g carbs per 1/2 cup (118 ml).
Once I see pockets of whey in the curd (before it becomes fully separated), I remove the grains and let it continue to ferment (secondary fermentation) another 24 hours. At that point it's usually separated, so I just stir it together and refrigerate it. I figure this way I'm reducing the carb content as much as possible. I also only drink 1/2 a cup of kefir a day (1/4 cup morning and night)... I make it in a 2 oz instant espresso jar.
I am new to making kefir, so I can't compare/contrast for you. But I can offer that Fusion Teas delivered kefir grains that amazingly healthy, and they provide an ebook with the purchase that is quite informative.
Check here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007GGRJTG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00