Hear me out, but this Philips headset is the first one out of MANY that I've tried and wear with TMJ pain free. It's very loose, almost zero pressure on the head, I'm not sure how it even stays on me to be frank.
Great headset, highly recommend.
I use this pillow and I love it! It has two height options and works well for me because I’m a side and back sleeper. It’s $39.99
Face Ice Pack for Wisdom Teeth, Jaw, Head and Chin by WORLD-BIO - 4 Reusable Hot & Cold Gel Packs with Adjustable Stretch Wrap Relief for Injuries, Oral and Facial Surgery, Migraine and TMJ Pain https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NRFBBD3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_fabc_FmZ9FbWESM313
FYI: There are labs that cut out the dentist as the middle man and can make you custom night guards for half the price. I did one through Amazon for $130 and have been very happy with it.
I grind through mine pretty hard and it helped save me some $.
Bei posted a viral tiktok where she credits her jaw transformation to this jaw exerciser product sold on Amazon. Her original tiktok had a lot of views and comments from young girls and women want to buy the product.
After being exposed by Thyrant video (above), Bei had turn off the comment on her original viral Tiktok video. She is currently limiting who can comments on her other videos. She also privatized her Instagram and YouTube. However. the link to the jaw exercising product still stay on her bio - free for impressionable young teens to purchase. Aside from the dubious claims, this product is highly overpriced and has a lot of recent bad reviews.
People are still buying it and she is making money from it bc of that viral video (which she reposted again for views). If you saw her viral video and want to buy the jaw exercise, don’t. If you still want to try it, please consult your doctor or dentist.
A wedge for my legs makes back sleeping much more comfortable and is good for the lower back too. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CSH9DLR/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have a cold spray (gebauer's instant ice) that I spray over my jaw muscles before stretching them. Makes it less painful to stretch and calms the inflammation, so it has reduced the face bulges for me. (On recommendation of doctor!)
I have a prescription for ethyl chloride cold spray but you can get a slightly weaker version on Amazon (still works pretty well):
I also get dry needling in my jaw from my doctor and it has reduced the swelling in my face a LOT.
Cool, thanks for the tip, that's really useful. I'll check them out if I can find some in the UK. What's the sound quality like for music, can they do decent bass?
There's a pair I have my eye on, but I've no idea if they'll do the death grip without trying them on. I'm assuming the answer is yes.
Good advice. Flector patches (diclofenac) are a topical NSAID that works well for superficial muscle pain but need a prescription and are expensive.
Strongly believe everyone has excess stress affecting their health at times and learning to cope with it is essential to wellness. If someone is not inclined to see a psychiatrist or psychologist, they can get this book from Stanford pain center used from amazon for $4 along with a relaxation CD.
At this point it would make most sense to get away from looking at your symptoms as caused by a structural problem in your jaw joint or dentition and see a pain clinic. Traditionally UCLA has had one of the best ones in the country for dealing with TMJ syndrome under the late Dr. Graff-Radford. His disciples and influence should still be there.
You can have your teeth apart and still have tight muscles. Set your watch to beep every hour and take that moment to stand, stretch, take some belly breaths and make a scan of your body for tightness. Be sure your teeth are kept apart, by relaxing your clenching muscles, not by tightening the jaw opening muscles under your chin to separate your teeth.
What was formally called muscle tension headaches are now called just tension-type headache because the pain didn't always correlate with muscle tension, but usually the two go together. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/tension-headache/symptoms-causes/syc-20353977
See if you can open this New York Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/28/magazine/relieving-stress-mind-over-muscle.html
It's amazing what a couple minutes of diaphragmatic ("belly") breathing can do for muscle tension. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/stress-management/in-depth/decrease-stress-by-using-your-breath/art-20267197
For many, the tension is better within the first minute.
It's recommended you do your belly breathing and mindfulness 10 - 20 minutes every morning, but, in addition try it when the pain has gotten worse. Mindfulness basic: Don't think about the pain or anything negative about yourself or others during the exercise. If your mind strays into negativity, concentrate on your breathing or something pleasant you've experienced or would like to. There is some reason to think that around 6 breaths a minute (one every 10 seconds) is a good rate during the exercise (although you'll naturally breath faster than that when you're not relaxing). It seems the slow exhalation phase (about 6 seconds) is what dampens the fight or flight reflex that tightens muscles. Could you try it today and reply here.
BTW: One of the things behavioral therapists agree on is that your "locus of control" can be the critical factor in whether things improve for you. If you passively feel that the cause and therapy for your situation are out of your control (helplessness/hopelessness) you won't do as well as if you take charge of making yourself better. Maybe start right now with breathing exercises? Free. No side effects. Nothing to lose.
If the back/base of your skull is pretty sore to the touch, you may want to consider getting a nerve block for the occipital. Check out Occipital neuralgia as possibility.
I ordered these mouth guards off of Amazon. Nothing is as good as a custom fit mouth guard from the dentist. But I chew through them way too fast. They’re a great deal, but you do have to heat them and mold them yourself.
Mouth Guard for Grinding Teeth and Clenching Anti Grinding Teeth Custom Moldable Dental Night Guard Dental Night Guards to Prevent Bruxism - 8 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TZNH89Z/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_NEF6ZK4GQXKE489CX6KZ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
My dentist has a contraption that holds my mouth open for me. Won’t go back to one without now. Try to find a dentist that has one unless you don’t want to leave your dentist. Or, maybe you could buy your own and bring with you?
LotFancy Gel Ice Pack with Wrap, Reusable Hot Cold Pack for Therapy, Pain Relief for TMJ, Wisdom Teeth, Face, Head, Chin Jaw Oral and Facial Surgery, Dental Implants https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FSCLPPI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_MNMEYKEYD3XQ9K3E58ZY?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
this ice pack is really for ice and heat for tmj/facial muscles!
I use one similar (down below) to this and like it.. just be sure to watch the packs closer in the microwave so they don’t burst. I like them super hot so I put them in for 30 seconds or so each but mainly until they START to inflate, then I take them out and sleep with it on
LotFancy Gel Ice Pack with Wrap,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FSCLPPI?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I got one like this advertised for necks and menstrual cramps and just strapped that around my head. It's not a perfect solution (I wish it conformed better like microwave ones), but it's a huge relief from constant microwaving or being attached to a wall and my hand wanting to die from holding it up all the time.
The benzodiazepines such as Valium and Klonepin (clonazepam) do work well for acute anxiety but are habit forming and best used for crises. It would be best to see a cognitive behavioral psychologist to learn relaxation techniques to lessen your need for pills. Absolutely everyone would benefit from a little counseling now and again as well. An introduction to their techniques is available through Amazon in many very inexpensive books - new or used. This one comes with a CD and is done by a professor in Stanford's world renowned pain center: https://www.amazon.com/Opioid-Free-Pain-Relief-Kit-Simple/dp/1936693984 . Lows tend to be temporary if you get the right help, and this book is a start. There are some promising new developments coming for treating anxiety and depression. Hang in there.
You can switch to a tricyclic related to Flexeril like amitriptyline and push the dose of that for relief. Please ask the TMJ specialist what he thinks of the behavioral approach with physical exercise, relaxation exercises, meditation, etc. Watch the Stanford University Health TMJ youtube so you go into your appointment informed instead of misinformed.
Edit: Here's a very helpful book with relaxation CD included you can get used for $6 on Amazon:
Not exactly a topical product but I love this ice roller as a massage tool for my jaw, face, and neck! Something you could use while studying too :) I've had a lot of success with it in the past few weeks, using it about once a day mainly on the side that is causing me the most pain (and its good for your skin too so win win!) https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FDKX3MS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I'm a stomach sleeper and sleeping on my back sucks, but it does help with TMJ, Have you tried cervical pillow? My neck muscles are often too tense and painful and I can find it totally uncomfortable, but have stuck with it for a few months now, and I wake up on my side only 20% of time now. Progress!
Dental Guard SMARTGUARD ELITE (2 Guards 1 Travel case) Front tooth Custom Anti Teeth Grinding Night Guard for Clenching - TMJ Dentist Designed - Bruxing Splint Mouth Protector For Relief of Symptoms https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XXRSFKC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_c9OwFb0Z6SKN3
Chronic pain sufferer with anxiety here, establishing the creds because otherwise this advice is going to seem really corny.
Buuuuuuut. Meditation, biofeedback (like meditation but they hook you up so you can visually see your body's reactions and watch to see what works as you try to relax - may be covered by insurance), massage, chiropractic, cognitive behavioral therapy (a type of counseling)...really go at it from the perspective of the anxiety. There are a lot more possible treatments for anxiety than TMJ, so targeting that is a good idea, glad you are.
If you're having trouble getting into counseling, there are some nice cognitive behavioral therapy workbooks you can go through yourself for anxiety. Here's an example but there are lots to choose from
Is the oral surgeon a TMJ specialist? Do they agree with the type of guard you have?
He linked me to this one!! I think its the same one he has in his office
That really makes me wonder if it’s just TMJ related then! I ordered the headband on amazon, just looked it up. This was it:
Outdoor Research Ear Band, Abyss,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001BG1CQ8?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Although their color options are rather weak right now. I had gotten one that is a dark blue color. And it looks like the black only has a size L available at the moment. I can’t promise it’ll work for anyone else but after trying many, this was the only one that helps me. It actually blocks the wind which is why I think it helps more then just a headband to keep the ears warm.
I'm really sorry to hear that. I've only had it for about 7 months and I haven't experienced all the symptoms you do. I got myself this pillow on Amazon and it's helped a lot of people. It was really good for me too for the first month then it started to just aggravate my jaw. But I think I just had a bad experience compared to most people. Also, the oral massages relieve my pain too. I hope you find something that works for you.
You should really see a dentist... they can help far more than random folks on the internet. Unfortunately, many can't afford that, so here are four things that have helped me:
1) Multi-daily massage/pressure on sore spots of my jaw. Youtube search 'TMJ massage' for techniques.
2) Sleeping with a homemade custom anti-grinding retainer ($6... and I only use the bottom tray) https://www.amazon.com/Thermo-molding-Fitting-Whitening-Storage-Bleaching/dp/B016RCQ5AS/ref=sr_1_4_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1477100014&sr=8-4&keywords=heat+mold+teeth
3) Cut out caffeine completely (dentist recommended it... can't remember why)
4) NO CHEWING GUM. Period. End of story. I've had a piece of gum in my mouth perpetually for the past 20 years. I saw some improvement after 1 week of quitting cold turkey.
from what i gather they arent good for teeth alignment, i sucked my tum allot as a baby and now my teeth are crap.
Thanks for the suggest
Form google imaging it. i can either get this
Seriously though, i really think this could work for me, just need something
Hello, I can’t help with the mattress topper question but it has got me thinking. My mattress is too soft, wife loves it but I leave an indentation like Homer Simpson. I use a cervical neck pillow which helps but I snore more with this (need to lose some weight in new year).
Also use something called a Pro II Back Stretcher which is great for lower back and a foam roller for upper/middle back, both help a lot.
Just a thought, but something like this might help on the bed, not sure if it would work on top of the mattress (don’t know why the link is so long!):
I like Magnesium Citrate over Glycinate. This is what I use: Pure Encapsulations Magnesium... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017CRZIK?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Magnesium Malate works well for me, too. I like to put it in a calming cup of tea at night: Myo Relax & Calm | Myo-Inositol,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0792QZBYF?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I use this one: DONAMA Cervical Pillow for Neck... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09S5TZH5N?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
There’s also Theraputica brand, although even the medium is a little firmer than I like. The one I linked to is a good medium soft and supportive.
I don't know much about botox, but here are a few other random ideas you can also try. Have you tried accupunture? I'm having some success with accupunture. I've been going to a student clinic so it's more affordable. I also wonder if maybe some physical therapy might be helpful for you. Like some of the exercises in this video: https://youtu.be/kpBc6wiEkQU (Bob & Brad tmj exercises) Like perhaps you need to strengthen the muscles on one side and help relax the muscles on the other? Perhaps a message therapist could help with this as well? Also I have heard others speak of working on their posture as something that helps with TMJ. It's something I'm currently working on. I found this helpful ap, called Perfect Posture that I'm going through, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.perfectposture
But I imagine you could also find some good exercises for posture correction on youtube. Good luck
I find this to be GREAT. It is quite bulky though and needs to be plugged in, but I use it 2/3 times a week for my traps and it really helps. It's affordable too.
This is the one I use: DONAMA Cervical Pillow for Neck... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09S5TZH5N?
It’s medium soft and has good neck support. It’s the only one I’ve been able to consistently use for the past couple weeks.
I’ve also tried the Therapeutica pillow (petite size, medium) but it was a little too firm for me. My husband really likes it though. You can find it on Amazon and elsewhere online.
Get a cervixal pillow. It definitely helps. Regular pillows suck. Either get a Theraputica one or something like this, which I use: DONAMA Cervical Pillow for Neck... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09S5TZH5N
What do you think about seeing a cognitive behavioral psychologist to learn to relax the muscles? Alternatively, the apps available keep increasing. Here's a new one with some free content before you have to sign up: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/simple-habit-meditation/id1093360165?mt=8.
Headspace is another. If you go to the dawnbuse.com website, it's available for free with links to the UCLA meditation tracts.
Behavioral therapy is where treating TMJ treatment is going, with medications such as Flexeril or amitriptyline for crises. Read about chronic pain syndrome to understand what your body is doing right now. https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/chronic-pain-syndrome-overview#1
Not this exact brand of pillow but I’ve found that memory foam with this specific shape has IMMENSELY helped my overall jaw pain. I’m a side-sleeper and have used memory foam pillows without the bend at the bottom, they almost made it worse. Would highly recommend a pillow like this one though, I can always tell the difference in pain levels when I haven’t used it.
heat pack link
8 hour ice pack
I know the ice pack is an extra link but just in case anyone is curious :)
I floss regularly (may not every day). I have this one space where food gets stuck and flossing won't get it out, so I purchased a dental tool to help me get it out. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KCXT7RC
I have the same issue. I try to sleep on my back which helps quite a bit with the morning headaches. If I roll over on my side I'll wake up with my shoulders scrunched up to my ears and excruciating pain. I went on Amazon and got a cervical neck pillow and put another pillow under my knees which helps keep my lower back from getting uncomfortable so I can stay on my back.
I ordered this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09H49LFHH?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
I feel it's a little too firm for me but it will do for now until I find a better one. I'm on a mission to stay on my back.
The only other thing that helps me with this is intensive exercise and stretching before bed.
I got one from Amazon and it’s a front tooth guard,not sure if it will help you but I’ll add the link. I mostly clench and this helps me keep my molars and jaw from hurting
Dental Guard SMARTGUARD ELITE (2... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XXRSFKC?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Neck Brace for Neck Pain and... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093BKNJN9?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Here it is, I based my purchase on the reviews as well and it’s really helped me, I ordered the smaller one
please check website Divinfosys.comHardened Steel Gua Sha Scraping Massage Tool - STICKON IASTM Tools Great Soft Tissue Mobilization Tool (B Shape) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075WTVKM6/ref=cm\_sw\_r\_cp\_api\_glt\_fabc\_AJA2TWHM6RVDYM3VM29A?\_encoding=UTF8&psc=10
I wouldn't waste your money on it. You can buy something pretty similar for 50 bucks https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CRQVG31?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
But anyways - all these things do is send a bit more blood to that area which helps a bit but doesn't solve you main issue.
You gotta figure out why you're stressing out the joint or masseter in the first place..
Joint -> moving your jaw side ways or forward too much
Masseter -> above and/or clenching
and a bad bite makes both worst...
From all the soft ones I've tried, this one is the most comfortable one for me https://www.amazon.com/Plackers-Grind-Dental-Night-Grinding/dp/B004TD23W2/ref=sr\_1\_14?crid=1PLODZ6J0K5XI&keywords=stop+grinding&qid=1654059870&rdc=1&sprefix=stop+grindin%2Caps%2C286&sr=8-14
Denta Soak. It cleaned my mouthguard almost like new. Toothpaste, soap and water, and brushing did nothing. Dentist told me not to use denture cleaner.
I use an appliance cleaner with plain water. I used to just rinse it with a little soap and I started to get skin infections around the corners of my mouth from the bacteria. Since I started using this they cleared right up.
iSonic DS180 Portable Denture/Aligner/Retainer Cleaner for All Dental and Sleep apnea appliances, DC12V, AC100-240V Worldwide https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H9B9HYL/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_Z32TXR1JVKFXM7K61EMC?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I clean mine with these:
M3 Naturals Retainer and Denture Cleaner 120 Tablets Removes Bad Odors Discoloration Stains Plaque for Cleaning Invisalign Mouth Guard Night Guard and Removable Dental Appliances https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075WWYBJ7/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_RY6TJVNPH3XMVB9CG2D9?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Cervical Neck Roll Memory Foam Pillow, Bolster Pillow, Round Neck Pillows Support for Sleeping | Bolster Pillow for Bed, Legs, Back and Yoga https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07XGMMXY2/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_D602CF9QQ1DYM89DY567
Love this one!! I use it for back and side sleeping, keeping it right under my neck
There's also a book that's really good.
I use something similar to this /. Core Products Tri-Core Midsize Cervical Support Pillow for Neck Pain, Orthopedic Contour Pillow, Standard/Extra Firm, White, 22" x 15" https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N3IUAPQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_7SZKTRJWHP921GA44MKS
I am in Canada and bought these at a drugstore, but here's the Amazon Canada link:
DenTek Comfort Fit 2 Dental Guard and 1 mouth guard for Nighttime Teeth Grinding
I clean mine and use them for a few weeks, they're pretty sturdy!
Not a CBD balm, but I use this Dr. Bronner's balm along my jaw + temples + middle of my forehead for some quick (but short-lived) relief. It feels magical. Just be careful around the temples because and forehead because it'll make your eyes water.
This book: https://www.amazon.com/TMJ-Healing-Plan-Relieving-Headaches/dp/0897935241
Posture Posture Posture
Starting to workout can help. Things like pushups, planks, bodyweight excercises.
good quality magnesium may help with your jaw (and possibly neck) issues - Magnesium Complex 500mg - Magnesium Citrate, Oxide, Taurate, Bisglycinate Chelate TRAACS - Max Absorption Supplement for Sleep, Leg Cramps, Muscle Relaxation, Headaches - 120 Vegan, Non-GMO Capsules https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YZ4YYYZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_CF698ZAJTCQYFWPTWB3W?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Pillow for Side Sleepers(15"×12"×6") The Cube Memory Foam Pillow, Bed Pillow for Neck and Shoulder Pain Relief,Upportive Head Cushion for Vertebral Protection Travel(15"×12"×6") https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09PH4XYJR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_MA0TW3P57FTPTDPPKS6S?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I'm a stomach sleeper and HATE that I have to sleep on my back now. I just bought this pillow and I'm liking it, but I know there are some specifically made for side sleepers too: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09BCPHGTS/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_asin\_title\_o01\_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I'm sorry you had such a disappointing experience. I haven't heard of estrogen as the sole reason for TMJ, but it could be a contributing factor. He didn't recommend a night guard or anything else? In the meantime order a hot/cold compress for your face on Amazon. It helps with some relief. Avoid any foods you have to tear into or chew aggressively. And try a nasal rinse. I have definite TMJ but oddly enough I also have killer allergies and recently found out that was causing ear/sinus congestion.
Headache and Migraine Relief Cap - A Headache Ice Mask or Hat Used for Migraines and Tension Headache Relief. Stretchy, Comfortable, Dark and Cool (by Magic Gel) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DG2Z1NH/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_EB999WSPVCTAXH8RN7XD?psc=1
This is the one I use
Seconding this one!! Switching to a memory foam pillow was a lifesaver. So much that I bring it with me when I travel if I can! Mine has a little divet like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Sleep-Innovations-Versacurve-Multi-Position-Warranty/dp/B01FAZR9NU
I’ve tried ones that are shaped like regular ones and those didn’t work very well- I’m a side sleeper.
I'm unsure if this can help your case but I can't sleep on my back and I use this pillow to sleep on my side. I wake up feeling okay, albeit some days a bit of jaw soreness in the morning. It has very square sides that can support my jaw. I sleep with my mouth open.
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you - this is the pillow I purchased and use every night -
A neck and shoulder heating pad. Discovered it in the middle of a heat wave, had it cranked to high even when it was 100 degrees out
I’ve been experiencing this since October and it all started because I yawned too much with my bands /braces on. I’ve struggled with tmj for years and that’s why I have braces now to correct my bite. It has only made things worse but hopefully things will calm down once I get them taken off.
I have the swaying head feeling and at rest is when I notice it more. When I’m moving around I’m fine but as soon as I sit/lay down its more prevalent.
I’ve had every work up done because my doctor thought it could be from getting my neck adjusted causing an injury but it just exasperated my tmj. (Don’t get your neck adjusted)
The best advice I can give you guys is ICE. I bought this amazing ice roller on Amazon I will link it below! Put it right on your tmd joints. I have this weird bubble thing on my right side and I’m pretty sure it’s super inflamed and that’s why I’m having this feeling. Which makes me believe that’s what is happening to you. I also clench my jaw at night which has made things flare up over and over again. Like it gets better and then I will wake up and it’s back.
Hope you find some relief!!!
You need this in your life! https://www.amazon.com/ESARORA-Roller-Puffiness-Migraine-Products/dp/B01E8IZ4ZA/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?keywords=ice+roller&qid=1647617905&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzVlBMMTZLWjNBWjJMJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzU0Mzkz...
Cryoderm roll on cold gel. Not a long term solution but really takes the edge off when I’m in pain: Cryoderm Cold Roll-On 3oz https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GYRC4U2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_8KWXF1B8EZNPB925HRRN
I recently bought this one: YouthLab ProSculp Gua Sha
The reviews are great,
highly recommend. My jade roller and gua sha stone were both to hard for me. This one heats up and vibrates so it feels so nice and gave me much relief.
I'll do one better.
That thing has been helping release the tension.
I just got this bad boy in the mail about 5 days ago. It cradles my head and there's a lot of proper support for your upper neck. Previously I'd been sleeping on a throne of raised pillows but now all I really need is this - turns out I was needing neck support
This lumbar pillow actually has helped a bit. I sleep without a pillow under my neck or head and prop this under my knees and I’ve found it helps relieve a lot of the pressure around my neck and jaw. I primarily got it for lower back relief though so it works for me for that as well. I have a firm mattress.
Nice! 😂 Unfortunately I live in the US and it's not letting me order it from there the closest i found similar to that is this one so I'm going to be ordering it soon 🙌🏽 thank you 🙏🏽
Link to pillow
I appreciate you taking the time to read the whole thing. It is very informative but you don’t see much of that information online unless you really dig for it. You’re right it says “increased levels of estrogen hormones are considered biological factors affecting the temporo–mandibular-joint.” With your excess estrogen and my low T, it’s interesting that this can be hormone related with both genders. Yeah I had 4 impacted wisdom teeth 2 years ago and I had to remove all of them because the pressure was so painful. I will never go back to an ENT unless I need surgery. It really is annoying that conventional modern dr’s don’t tell you about any of this stuff. Like they are focused on ear nose and throat but when the ear is affected by the JAW they should know why. Surely it’s a relatively common enough problem that most doctors have at least heard of TMD. “Oh you don’t want an expensive CT scan or septum surgery or some type of prescription written? Better go somewhere else and get a second opinion” Modern hospitals and dr.s’ offices are just a business that only care about making money in my opinion. I personally don’t put anything on my ear cause even touching it and pulling on it with my hands makes it get hot. I sometimes will put lidocaine or voltaren gel on my jaw and neck right under my ear but never right on my ears. I mostly just stick with ice packs and the massager pillow. Here is the facial ice pack I bought on Amazon.
Core Products Tri-Core Cervical Support Pillow, Standard Firm - Full Size https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ET9TXQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_HG78PJ70MZ8D67ZYKAN5
Elviros Cervical Memory Foam Pillow, Contour Pillows for Neck and Shoulder Pain, Ergonomic Orthopedic Sleeping Neck Contoured Support Pillow for Side Sleepers, Back and Stomach Sleepers (Blue) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088WNMNX1/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_6EJSHDPDYFV27C50Z5TH?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
These are close to the ones I have or have used. I actually had two slightly different styles of the foam one.
The first is closer to a regular pillow, filled with regular stuffing not memory foam. And slightly less structured. I like both styles, both have been helpful when I have more issues with my neck which can very much feed into TMJ issues. I think it also helps keep you on your back which is very helpful for me when I am having more issues with tmj symptoms/ avoiding side sleeping which has put to much pressure on one side of my jaw and can cause it lock up.
can i ask what ritual you go through? do you seem awake or are you pretty much incoherent?
Most of the most common causes for swelling (edema) is allergic reaction. The most common place to get it is in the feet. however, there are other medical causes
i mostly get it in my hands, but sometimes also in my feet. it is always triggered in response to something that I've eaten or been exposed to
I'm a side sleeper and I really love this one. UTTU Sandwich Pillow, Adjustable... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079FK5QKD?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
It has a sort of groove to decrease the pressure on your jaw and ear. I can tell if I travel and accidentally forget my pillow that I'm more likely to have symptoms.
I think best case scenario for TMJD sufferers is back sleeping, but if you're like me and inevitability roll to your side, having a good pillow helps.
ZAMAT Contour Memory Foam Pillow for Neck Pain Relief, Adjustable Ergonomic Cervical Pillow for Sleeping, Orthopedic Neck Pillow with Washable Cover, Bed Pillows for Side, Back, Stomach Sleepers https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CVQSTSP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_PGN794NGD38WC89WEYMY
I just got my day time orthotic last week from a dentist. I think it's making a difference. I still have to get the nighttime one.
When dealing with OTC mouth guards, I found this one which was handy: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009TRFI2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
You have to keep it in the water longer than they recommended it tho. That was my experience. Try it out their way just to make sure you don't completely screw it up. You can keep trying with this one.
HOWEVER: The dentist's custom mouth orthotic which is MUCH DIFFERENT than a bite guard has been THE MOST HELPFUL. This is really important: NOT EVERY DENTIST IS QUALIFIED TO MAKE TMJ ORTHOTICS. In fact, some have qualifications and studied it may still make crappy mouth orthotics. So make sure you comb through reviews and websites and ask a lot of questions. If you live in the Sonoma California area, Kimberly Hubbenette over in Sonoma is AWESOME. She works at Synergy Dental and is currently saving my ass.
Had a few mouth guards made be a dentist and an orthodontist. None of them fit right and they make my front teeth hurt. Im in so much pain right now that I stared to look for OTC options
Maybe try alternating cold and hot packs on either side of your face? The cold/heat change can help to reduce inflammation and muscle tightness more than cold or heat alone. Something like this perhaps?
I bought the breathe right brand one extra strength tan recently and an amazon one here: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B08PP1V8NJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I'm in Canada.
How did you tell that they were the catalysts to TMD? Is it basically sleep apnea/storing leads to grinding and clenching, is that right?
I'm not sure how effective the strips are for me, how do you even tell?
In the meantime, a quick fix could be these:
Plackers Grind No More Dental Night Guard for Teeth Grinding, Blue 10 Count https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B004TD23W2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_M55ESQBXX7B1X73MC2BP?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
They are soft. Not perfect, but they do reduce the pressure of grinding. I would only recommend that you try to wait to put them on until you are really about to fall asleep. Otherwise, they may trigger grinding while you lie awake because they activate your chewing reflex.
I am also a side sleeper with TMJ, and the same issues were occurring to me. I shopped around and found this pillow that has been very helpful to me: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079FK5QKD?ref=ppx_pop_dt_b_product_details&th=1
It allows your head to rest comfortably while supporting your cervical spine and shoulders. Shop around, see what you think though. Good luck!
Here’s a decent pillow that might be worth trying. It really does take the weight off your shoulders. The two bolster parts are different sizes and you can use the one one that works best for you. It won’t cure jaw problems but mine has made sleep more comfortable.
Lol it's from The Simpsons. The episode where Homer becomes a Big Brother and when he sees the kid he's assigned he says "I'll take him. Do you have him in blonde?". https://yarn.co/yarn-clip/4b44cca1-2bc9-4ed5-b016-8340b88aa37a
Look at oromyology or Oral Myofucntional Therapy. Airway Centric Occlusion https://www.slideshare.net/drgelb/airway-centric2
Check my editorials on TMJ and Sleep.
My nephew's ear gets really clogged, to the point of becoming partially deafened. His mother cleans his ear out with this:: https://www.amazon.ca/Washer-Bottle-System-Doctor-Easy/dp/B005M2HSQK
You will need a person to help you!
This is the one. Looks like Magnesium Citrate
Thanks for the response. I was looking at this but need to check how big it is first Deep Tissue Massage Tool Trigger Point Massage Tool Thumb Saver Massager https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MGQNWY2/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_GMMZ5Q8ZP9V1TKNXCBYB
This pillow has helped me somewhat - PureComfort – Side Sleeping Pillow | Height Adjustable | Ear Pain Relief | CPAP Pillow | Wrinkle Prevention | TMJ | CertiPUR-US Memory Foam with Soft Bamboo Cover (Soft) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQ9468V/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_8278DNFV4EZYWT3FQ6BJ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Here's a link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08C2YRTMM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
I did a bunch of research on these things last year when I got it as a gift since the absurdly expensive ones like theragun are so highly recommended over other cheaper brands but I couldn't justify the price. After buying a cheaper one and it breaking on us I settled on this one which has been a workhorse.
Tezam Electric Head Massager Neck Massage Octopus Scalp Stress Relax Spa Therapy Healing, Soft Resin Finger Gripper Claw Electronic Head Spa Vibration Scalp Massage Tool https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08F36NCYC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_RGQ9S94MVDQMN66CVYQ6
@kerrtney would you be willing to share what you've done on a video call next week? It'd be awesome to hear you run through everything that worked.
We're going to do this next Monday, August 8th at 6pmPST/9pm EST.
Let me know!
Here is the link to the video call:
I’ve gone through a few. I like this one a lot. The real ones from the dentist are the way to go, but they are so expensive and one can only lose so many….
I've bought CBD oils, John's Wort, Nettle Tea, and these Magnesium tablets this week. Literally trying everything under the sun as this point of desperation lol. Will have to report back how things go.
For me, coffee and alcohol removal made the biggest difference. I feel so much better without them both and their removal is non- negotiable if one wants to see improvement (in my personal opinion). Be wary of sandwiches, apples, steak (anything you need to open your mouth wide for). I sleep on my back without a pillow. Get massages. Reduce stress and relax as much as possible. I also really like this calming cream for rubbing on my jaw, neck, and shoulders: Diva stuff Dream Whip Magnesium and Hemp Enhanced Night Body Cream for Relaxed & Sound Sleep, Lavender Chamomile (Single Dream Whip (8 oz)) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JJV532Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_4WM8CGH8A224G03WD0QN?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Also, putting this magnesium powder in a calming tea at night really helps: Natural Vitality Calm, Magnesium Supplement, Anti-Stress Drink Mix Powder, Original, Raspberry Lemon - 8 Ounce (Packaging May Vary) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000OQ2DJQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_DMGVCE2FV1F7S5HH4PK9
This is the easiest recommendation I've ever made. I have TMJ and Cervical issues at C2/3 and C5/6. What I like about this pillow is that it is very adjustable but maintains that crucial cervical support to keep you in alignment.
There a variety of styles / shapes of cervical neck pillows. It might be worth trying another. I recently order two on Amazon that are foam and looks like a regular cotton filled pillow with an oval stitched into the middle to create the dip. I linked one similar to mine. That style make work better for you.
Core Products Tri-Core Cervical Support Pillow, Standard Firm - Full Size https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ET9TXQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_Q0XVWYWQ2FRB808P3BCY
I hope a link is allowed, but I bought this "adjustable" pillow and it works fantastically for me.
Coop Home Goods - Eden Adjustable... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYU7V4S?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Warning it's kinda expensive for a pillow and Amazon is evil so maybe try buying it direct?
It is not foam per se, not like memory foam. The filling is basically shredded foam though and it has a zipper so you can take filling out. It also comes with a bag of extra filling to stuff it more if you want. I took probably about 20% out and it's great.
I'm a stomach sleeper so it was a huge struggle finding a good pillow. Memory foam was too firm and pushed againsty jaw all night and put my neck I a weird position. But "flat" pillows basically had me lying on the mattress which didn't give enough support. This let me make my own perfect zone.
I purchased a guard off of Amazon. A dental lab sends me a kit, I take my own impression, once it's approved I send it back to them, and they'll send me back a custom guard. I ended up buying another one as a backup when they e-mailed me a discount code, and a thin daytime guard just in case I need to wear something at work.