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It is well worth listening to the speech in its entirety, before jumping to conclusions, I think it was an important speech overall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j20a3c371mM&feature=youtu.be&t=1h34m55s
EDIT: since this thread is getting, popular, heres a UBI 101: http://list.ly/ubiadvocates/lists
Here you go. Also here's a list of 31 studies into both conditional and unconditional cash transfers in the context of humanitarian aid.
While it doesn't necessarily support your statement entirely, a basic income that was sufficient enough to lift Namibian's out of poverty increased economic activities overall even in the most rural areas of Namibia. Where before there was none, there was now more demand from people to go and purchase their own money-making equipment and tools and supplies. http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence (also in India)
Here is the list people can add to. It is a disturbing trend. God knows how many others that never made the news.
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Business would have to be even more competitive in their pay. But what I think people don't realize is that it also depends on the business, there are a lot of people who'd rather do social enterprise work and actually work for less pay because they are making the world a better place instead of helping the boss get his third lamborghini. Studies have shown that there is increased sharing and pooling of funds, and there's a lot more potential here to help with social entrepreneurial projects: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence for example crowdfunding of social-entrep projects.
I'm glad you asked. Demoralization, alienation, frustration/depression etc come from a cultural problem, that is what we have now: https://newint.org/columns/essays/2016/04/01/psycho-spiritual-crisis Understanding further requires an understanding of that essay, which is worth fully digesting. After reviewing the evidence, following the (political) trends, doing a lot of debating and thought experiments, I believe that UBI in that respect is the missing cultural elixir there and is desperately needed.
The combination of reducing poverty significantly and giving workers more bargaining power is almost certainly two key elements to reduce inequality in general, another is empowering non-profits and social-enterprise projects...but it goes much deeper than that (there are many more nuances). Besides reducing inequality and addressing cultural problems, I believe it also pushes back against societal regression, and the reason I believe this is because the studies showed that there was increased social cohesion, as well as people pooled their incomes more often, to help each other. http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence - beyond that, there have been some interesting papers that consider the impact it could have on social-entrepreneurship: https://mowatcentre.ca/basic-impact - I consider the impact it would have on crowdfunding social-entreprenuerial projects. Still, I don't ever believe it will solve all ills, but ensuring people have a foundational income floor gives the community power to push back against regression overall.
Thankfully, there are more people that respect and appreciate evidence than do not. We need to reach them with this above and this ASAP: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
Wow, lots of non-constructive criticism in here with no real strong arguments against what is proposed... just weak criticisms on credentials or only addressing one or two small points. Some real empty hate amongst major misconceptions.
I really wanted to see some constructive feedback or alternative proposals, quite disappointed in the reddit responses overall. This is a futurism sub? I expected more insightful, forward-thinking responses. Seems like a status-quo sub to me.
Not what I would expect from /r/futurology at all.
If anyone would like to learn more about UBI there is /r/basicincome as well as this resource: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
I was highly skeptical upon first learning of the idea. You should check this out- studies showed that inflation didn't increase: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
There's no evidence of increased substance abuse: http://list.ly/i/2103473 there may always be a small percentage of people who 'can't take care of themselves' but that statement ignores that those individuals are likely to require psychological assistance, of which UBI can provide access to, studies have also shown that UBI increases social cohesion, meaning others are more likely to be 'in a position' to help. I'm a UBI advocate but I don't agree in funding UBI by entirely removing social-assistance programs, better to refine existing programs & combine funding sources
> i. ill sit around and eat garbage and play video games. im not contributing anything to society.
Studies have shown that people with a basic income generally don't waste it, they use it to better themselves and their community: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
>generations of welfare people who crap out babies
Do you have evidence for this statement? This behavior is rare, and most often due to trap-like situations, or other problems such as drugs or mental issues. Of course there is always extremes, just like your current view. There have been over 150 studies done, around the world, that have shown cash-transfers generally empower people. http://list.ly/i/2069989 - there's also studies to show that people had less children with UBI: http://list.ly/i/2117179
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Here's a complete list with faces http://list.ly/list/17BA-the-cast-of-twin-peaks-third-season
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That's only one aspect of the urgency, of which there are now hundreds of urgent reasons for UBI... but the idea of UBI has arguably been around since the beginning of trade. Dealing with AI and robots is not the main point of UBI but it is definitely related.
Yeah :\ There's been a ton of UBI studies to show that most people do contribute back though, but there will be a few who don't I suppose, who is to say what they decide to do "is or isn't" contributing though? That is the question I like to ask. Anyway, studies links in here, under "evidence": http://list.ly/ubiadvocates/lists
There's a big list of arguments and their flaws listed here: http://list.ly/ubiadvocates/lists and of course on /r/basicincome 'anti-ubi' tag on the sidebar, would be curious to hear which ones you find most interesting.
> do nothing but pop out more babies.
Except that in past studies this was actually seen as something that happened less often. Look at the Manitoba study: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
We can combine multiple funding sources.
Choosing only one and trying to make that one thing work is just completely unimaginative.
I argue we should consider combining a carbon-tax with multiple other funding methods, as well as a leaning of existing bureaucratic systems.
Others will argue other combinations of funding sources & refinements.
Most of us recognize the cost of NOT implementing a UBI.
All of this is arguing the "how", not the "why".
The "how" is different for many places and is done through informed research, testing, and working together with planners, of which there is growing research to help inform policy-makers: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
> I don't know if a Namibia test is relevant.
Me neither, I mean there's tests all over the world, including first world countries like canada.
> It is not going to work.
Feel free to do some further reading here or elsewhere.
> People would rather struggle on $20k and not have to work a crappy job and have all the time in the world to do whatever they want then work a crappy job 40 hours per week for a little extra money.
Consider that that 'crappy job' provides quite a bit of extra money, if it's so crappy. And nobody says you can't have progressive taxation. At the end of the day, you're complaining about top earners/rentiers paying $2trillion more so households who make less than $100k could have higher take-home income. Or $500bill-$1trill and we talk about a lower UBI (and there's plenty people who consider 12k/yr realistic, so feel free to talk to them about that)
> I'm talking total tax: federal, state, sales, property. If you are a high earner, you are paying half.
Just curious, ever heard of a mortgage deduction?
Anyway, have a good day. :)
edit: also consider economies of scale (and digital) actually have the curious trait to produce cheaper per item at more output to some extent. As long as labor isn't highly in demand (and we have proper ecological protection rules), you can keep raising UBI by printing, till productive capacities are adequately tested. (consider keynes www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2014/09/basics.htm )
Just leaving this here for you so next time you don't have to argue, in 2 studies it was shown that inflation was not increased. http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
Also you are right about this (as seen in Alaska): >people would have more purchasing power
> The goal is for basic income to eliminate all the other aid programs with a blanket solution.
There are also other methods discussed here which doesn't necessarily mean all other programs are eliminated: http://list.ly/i/2103451
I think it's a good idea, morally defensible if financed to a good part from non-labor economically relevant property and circumstances, and proposes to improve the functioning of the labor market as it creates a level playing field between those who have opportunities to not do unfun but easy work, and those who today don't have that opportunity (so free market price finding can actually take place there, rather than relying on the fear of destitution of some, to get the work done at subsistence wages or below)
Here's some further reading that someone else today found helpful, maybe you too will find it helpful or interesting at least! http://list.ly/list/1S4y-common-ubi-misconceptions
edit: Oh also, if you don't like the huge price tag on a UBI, you can always consider introducing an unconditionally guaranteed income via a Negative Income Tax with taper, as Milton Friedman proposed. Here's a paper(currently under review) discussing figures of basically a NIT model with 50% taper (without making a statement about tax rates for people above the taper off point), with today's income situation. Though worded in a bit of a roundabout way. Basically looking at what such a model, as a UBI, would have to have as Net-Transfer, from Net-payers to people who Net-benefit.
Exactly. Learn more about UBI here: http://basicincomeday.com/evidence
Understand UBI here: http://UBI.EARTH
There is a point where a simple and effective idea, backed by scientific evidence becomes more important than an endless debate of left vs. right politics. http://list.ly/list/1RnO-more-than-50-reasons-why-ubi-is-increasingly-imperative
Added on the misconceptions list at http://list.ly/list/1S4y-common-ubi-misconceptions - thank you
Direct link: http://list.ly/i/2115812
further reading: http://basicincome-europe.org/ubie/brief-history-basic-income-ideas/
For those interested in learning more about UBI - you can find more evidence here: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence - for those who want to debate it: try not to bring up the same tired misconceptions: http://list.ly/list/1S4y-common-ubi-misconceptions - once you've done all that, join the thunderclap https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/54847-basic-income-day-is-1st-of-may
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http://list.ly/list/RxZ-events-hitchhikers-guide-to-boston-tech
offer an image sharing feature, just like everybody else, with a QR code generation, reading and sharing module type thingy. That functionality just happens to overlap with this particular usage pattern. I'm curious as to an app market's response; I'm not quite sure if it can be banned to begin with.
Please allow some sophisticated governance control layers (google+-like circles are fine too) too.
and IFTTT, zapier integration would be awesome. there are others too but i'm not even sure what services are in this category.
heres a dude's list in progress: http://list.ly/list/5YL-alternatives-to-ifttt-slash-zapier-slash-cloudwork
> Will UBI cause inflation? It will.
basic income did not cause inflation in 3 different places, and in Alaska inflation was reduced:
India: http://list.ly/i/2069986
Alaska: http://list.ly/i/2070013
Lebanon: http://list.ly/i/2070027
Beyond being a completely pointless argument where you are really just arguing with yourself (what if we gave everyone millions of $?? pointless argument) inflation was not seen in multiple studies, and in Alaska, it was even reduced:
India: http://list.ly/i/2069986
Alaska: http://list.ly/i/2070013
Lebanon: http://list.ly/i/2070027
You also seem to be confusing the zero-sum of money with the false (and dangerous) idea that economics is also zero-sum. "Money itself might be zero-sum, but the the market, trade, the economy is not."
I used to think that, but I saw evidence that it can support Earth-friendly social-entrepreneurship and give people the power to push back against damaging forms of greed and selfishness http://list.ly/ubiadvocates/lists
Less freedom from clean water, libraries, and roads? That's some backwards thinking.
You're heavily focused on corporate taxes, but that too isn't the only way to fund UBI. It sounds like you're not upset with UBI or the idea of UBI itself- you're upset with the state/government.
I hate to break it to you, but you are confusing "less freedom" with where you are seeing increased corruption.
You realize that programs become less effective when the funding is cut...right? Austerity is now a well known failure.
You make it sound like the government is some boogeyman out to get-cha. The government is run by people you know.
>UBI is communism
Now you're just being silly. http://list.ly/i/2081172
> The money comes from not wasting it on needless overhead. The money comes from taxing transactions in the new infusion of consumer demand. The money comes from taxing companies that pay poverty wages and automate jobs, which create the need for this in the first place. It comes from not wasting tens of thousands on needless months of adjudication. It comes from allowing workers to earn as much as they want without fearing a reduction in benefits.
Well said, yes, there are many to combine methods of funding it, to think there is only one way is unimaginative: http://list.ly/i/2103451
> A full UBI, if properly implemented and together with proper education, could kickstart our economy again, and make things work properly.
You're right: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
...and what you're describing to me sounds like failed neoliberalism and failed austerity.
> mostly just uneducated right wing propaganda.
You are correct, because there have been 2 studies to show that inflation was actually reduced http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence (India and Alaska PFD)
The FT article is disingenuous, if it isn't above the poverty line, it isn't 'Basic Income', that's UBI 101. http://list.ly/list/1S4j-ubi-universal-basic-income-101 It seems it was intentionally done this way. It also makes a common mistake of attempting to fund UBI via only one source, where there is a massive potential for it to be funded via a combination of sources. More reading here: http://list.ly/ubiadvocates/lists
In Manitoba (mincome), it was a Conservative government that came to power and ended the program. In other studies, since the government didn't want to fund it, churches or other groups like Unicef had to provide limited funding. Even so, there was wide variety of positive effects found: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence - other forms of basic income have been around for some time, such as the Alaska PFD, or the Macau WPS (since 2008, renewed in 2017).
> studies I read
What studies were those? Please provide a link.
>$2 milk is now $6
Actually, there are two studies that showed inflation was not increased: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
> it would incentivize lower income folks to have even more kids
Don't worry, one of the studies showed that people didn't have more kids (actually I think it reduced a bit) http://list.ly/i/2117179
>I know you want X to be a good idea because reasons, but it isn't. Sorry.
There you go again with empty statements. UBI is a good idea, there is growing evidence to back it up: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
> Demand for some things would go up, demand for other things (things that people buy less of when they earn more money, like ramen noodles) would go down
We did see a little bit of this happen in several studies: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence (not specifically the noodles, I mean).
> provide minimum economic security for an individual so that they aren't reliant on any particular govt program or employer for the necessities of life
This is quite right, it is a foundational income floor, more information including studies to support your statements can be found here: http://list.ly/ubiadvocates/lists
Please explain how ensuring people have a foundational floor above the poverty line - to lift them out of poverty - is institutionalized poverty. http://list.ly/list/1S4j-ubi-universal-basic-income-101
Disclaimer: I am part-time UBI advocate. I apologize for pouncing on you like this.
> UBI is a form of Social Darwinism.
I'm going to have to stop you right there. Completely removing all other social programs is only one proposal for funding UBI, of which there are actually many. http://list.ly/list/1S4y-common-ubi-misconceptions Evidence suggests that those who vehemently argue against UBI are actually Social Darwinists themselves, that's because they don't like the idea of equal opportunity or feel threatened by the idea of taxation or redistribution.
>People are not, generally speaking, financially literate enough to effectively make use of these funds
This statement has been proven false by multiple (hundreds of) studies. http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
>I can guarantee it won't go into an emergency savings account.
This is actually due to widespread demoralization: https://newint.org/columns/essays/2016/04/01/psycho-spiritual-crisis/
>One of the reasons we have social programs in the first place(rather than UBI) is that it eliminates a pretty substantial amount of this risk. Food stamps, for example, can be exchanged for foodstuffs and not a whole lot else. Community shelters can only be used for shelter. By removing these restrictions, you make it riskier for people who aren't financially responsible.
These programs have been shown to be more of a trap than a support. The current welfare system discourages work. It takes away benefits when you do work. UBI is more like social welfare: consider this: how does UBI benefit society as a whole? "Welfare/dole functions as a ceiling. Basic income functions as a floor. These are big differences w/ largely different effects on motivation."
>Saying that I haven't studied it well.
It's normal to be skeptical, but you sure use a lot of "I am sure"'s for someone who has clearly not studied it well.
>until it's done properly and works I wouldn't trust it.
The research is there for anyone to read: http://list.ly/list/1RdG-ubi-research-links-universal-basic-income-evidence
>while not working at all.
The studies show people work more, differently, not less... http://list.ly/i/2103309
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