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Psychologists are starting to think that personality is more nature than nurture, but environmental experience still plays a role in terms of how your genes express themselves.

Check out this book, The Origins of You, for more info. It's a longitudinal study that follows thousands of people. The bottom line is that your psychology as expressed at age 3 is a pretty accurate reflector of your psychology later in life, but extreme experiences can alter things somewhat.

So as far as Enneagram archetypes go, yeah, you are what you are. Your number won't change, but cognitive behavioural therapy and positive environments can impact how healthily you present your number.

I'll always be a 6. But I don't *have* to be a paranoid wreck :) I have the ability to be a stalwart, centered skeptic instead, with the right degree of perspective, purpose, and self-care.

This is the first thing that comes to mind - https://www.amazon.com/Heroes-History-Worship-Lucy-Hughes-Hallett/dp/1400079799 - though a lot of these are on the sx side of things being larger-than-life inspiring personalities. Also, take a look at the history of Ancient Rome - https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-death-throes-of-the-republic-series/

Part of Carlin's thesis is that Roman Culture essentially tried to cultivate something like 8ness and that's why it dominated.

I'm probably biased because my idea of 8ness is perhaps too heavily based on an sx 8 I know. I think SO-first 8s are quite different.

Live Fully Coloring Book For Enneagram Type 5 (Investigator): Positive Messages & Affirmations Coloring Book To Be Your Best Self (Enneagram Growth Series) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YQM3P4C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_M6A33YZ29VFK64ED559H?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Hey everyone. I’m a 9w1 who would just like to recommend this book to other 9s. I’ve listened to it all the way through at least three times.

I’m not going to say it has “cured” me of being conflict avoidant, but I will say it has helped me learn tools to deal with conflict and even embrace the concept that conflict is necessary and healthy. As 9s we’re eventually pushed to conflict whether we like it or not. I think our main problem is that we push it off so much that when we are finally forced into conflict it’s in very dramatic terms and we’re very triggered and angry. In essence we explode.

Learning to deal with conflict early, and in a healthy manner is key, IMO. I’m also a big fan of Talking to Strangers, just as a fun, information oriented book to help us learn the common pitfalls of communication.

I like that you caution people on typing others (or at least until they are good at it and others want to e typed). I also like your last two good links. Asking questions that combine the Hornevian and Harmonic triads is often effective at narrowing types quickly.

Here's a link to a great relatively new book, "The Art of Typing" by Ginger Lapid-Bogda on typing and tips, and includes important related topics:

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Typing-Powerful-Tools-Enneagram/dp/0996344772

I'm still working on typing myself but gravitating towards 5. I definitely understand where you're coming from. There are some remarkable trends playing out in humanity that technology seems to have quite a hand in.

This may sound strange, but one thing that gives me comfort is contemplating how small humanity really is in the scheme of things. Even if all of humanity falls into a dystopia, nature will carry on just as it always has. Stars will keep burning, planets will keep turning, and somewhere it's likely that other conscious life will/already has developed. I'm not sure why that thought is comforting for me, I guess I just like knowing it's a safe bet that there will always be the potential for free thought somewhere/sometime in the universe.

An important truth for me has been the realization that I can only influence a certain sphere in my life, but that sphere is where my focus should be. I can't change the fact that there might be a disaster. There have been many disasters throughout history. What I CAN change is my response to such an event. I can learn about what I value and practice those values even in dark times. It's heavy material, but Man's Search for Meaning is a great read on this subject (at least it was for me).

Lastly, I see evidence that humans are realizing what's happening with technology and starting to question their dependence on it. We're all basically addicted to it, yes, but we're aware of that addiction now. We're aware that we're not happier because of social media, we're sick of constant advertisements, and we miss talking to our neighbors, hiking in the woods, and feeling like the world is "on the right track." That awareness can turn into action, people can reconnect, and all the technology in the world still can't stop the energy of millions of people when they unify behind a goal. So I think there's hope =)

Clarification: <em>The War of Art</em> by Stephen Pressfield. Your (OPs) new bible.

Here is a summary article of it. But really get the book. Devour it in an hour, and get writing/creating.

Here's a link to a good relatively new book, "The Art of Typing" by Ginger Lapid-Bogda on typing and tips, and includes important related topics:

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Typing-Powerful-Tools-Enneagram/dp/0996344772

This book was recommend by the therapist and I have already shared it with three friends, it’s so good:

https://www.amazon.com/Adult-Children-Emotionally-Immature-Parents/dp/1626251703/ref=nodl_?dplnkId=33c1ef08-9bcb-4cd4-b741-94fb40045ea7

I think having insight into your triggers and most importantly being able to have open honest conversations with your kids is helpful. My parents didn’t know how to talk to me (they didn’t really want to connect with me though) so that made it problematic. It’s easy to deal with peoples triggers when you can discuss how it affects them and affects you. That takes being able to be vulnerable

Much clearer: https://www.amazon.com/You-Unlimited-Mind-Reading-Masses/dp/1600373585/ref=sr_1_1?crid=SDX3KF7SOAWY&amp;keywords=you+unlimited+joost+van+der+leij&amp;qid=1669331480&amp;sprefix=you+unlimited+joost+van+der+leij%2Caps%2C271&amp;sr=8-1

478 is a powerful composition. Maybe try this book to find some inspiration. There are strategies on how to create a satisfying way for people with more interests than usual. https://www.amazon.de/Refuse-Choose-Interests-Passions-Hobbies/dp/1594866260/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=&amp;sr=

And the books of Marie Silva are nice about Enneagram Type 4, 7 and 8. They go deep in the soul (in my opinion) and show what your talents are on each type.

Oh, actually, there was this study of AI that could detect criminality based off a pool of photos that included criminals and civilians https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Automated-Inference-on-Criminality-using-Face-Wu-Zhang/1cd357b675a659413e8abf2eafad2a463272a85f

To me Naranjo is probably the best author to use cause he was the one who created and formulated Enneagram as a psychological theory. Ichazo's teachings were extremely spiritual and abstract, but Naranjo developed the system on the basis of actual psychology (even though I heavily dislike the Freudian/psychoanalytical approach).

All the authors studied from him or from his students, but the thing a lot of them learned from him when he was still a beginner, which means some authors developed their own interpretations based on Naranjo's early works, which are obsolete compared to his late books (for comparison, Riso learned with him before 1995, but he wrote books up till 2019).

The clearest example is the fact that Riso-Hudson's E2 is considered "The Helper", because of their veeeery old class with Naranjo. He corrected this mistake afterward:

>Since my statement in the early 70s that E2 people were “Jewish mothers,” it has become widespread opinion that they are, most characteristically, “helpers.” This is misleading, for the role of helper is even more characteristic of E9. In this highly emotional and romantic E2 character, “help” translates as “emotional support,” and on the whole, the personality is better evoked through “lover” than “helper.”

So, in short, Naranjo is the best author for me because he was the creator and continuously sharpened his knowledge of the types throughout the years.

Also, I don't think he's superficial at all with E8 and E9, he literally has a ~500 pages book on Enneatype 9 (and there will soon be an E8 book written by his students)

They're part of a series called "Psicologia de los eneatipos", here's the Amazon link to the type 3 book for instance, the first published in the series. They're all in Spanish so I had to use a photo translator when I got mine... definitely worth it though.

Not Character and Neurosis, this one. I have the other one too but not read it yet. It sounds offputting.

But I don't find masochism a harsh description, if you do then you may find Ennea-type Structures harsh too, he refers to masochism here too and the 4 chapter is even titled "Seeking happiness through pain" (which I disagree with but don't think it's harsh).

My type One friend read and highly recommended this book on having self-compassion, which seems to be an area that Ones struggle with as they seek to grow in health: https://www.amazon.com/Self-Compassion-Proven-Power-Being-Yourself/dp/0061733520

Sp 5s score higher on compassionate love and are said to be the most 5ish of 5s because they repress their instincts to a very high degree and are also the most reclusive. The Sx 5 is also reclusive but their isolation is counteracted by an intense desire to be in an exclusive relationship with a special someone. All subtypes of 5 numb their emotions but the Sp 5 does this the most, while the Sx 5 feels emotions to a greater degree and perhaps even intensely at times, earning them the nickname of an oyster with powdered sugar inside.

Both subtypes are heavily mistrustful and, being 5s, demonstrate a great analytic capacity and also a high degree of intellectuality. The Sx 5 is more hungry for recognition in this regard, making them like So 5s in this respect. The Sx 5 is also the most aggressive 5, due largely in part to having an easier time accessing their emotions than the Sp 5.

Sp 5s also score higher on compassionate love, and have a very high superego which moves them to help others. Sx 5s score higher on erotic love, aka desire love, and while warmer in contact than the Sp 5, they are also more selfish and egocentric. The Sp 5 generally has less ego problems and is, in a way, more capable of renunciation than the Sx 5, which clings to the ideal of absolute perfect love.

You can order this book if you'd like for more information (+100 pages on each subtype), it's in Spanish but can be translated through the Google Translate app or something else: https://www.amazon.com/Avaricia-arrogantes-indiferentes-Claudio-Naranjo/dp/8416145911

If you want a source, read this. It explains pretty much from top to bottom why this is right & the commonly reposted 'chestnut subtypes' are wrong.

You don't need to take anyone's word for it, just confirm with your own logic & faculties of observation whether if it checks out.

If any part of this sounded rude or like it was making assumptions, I apologize, but if you read it again, you'll see that I was only referring the traits that you yourself used to describe yourself in this post, since I obviously do not know you & can only judge & extrapolate from what you wrote here. If the information is limited there is of course a chance of misunderstanding. If you give me more information (like saying you're cp) the result will of course be more accurate.

I didn't mean to imply anything about you. I was just trying to explain my reasoning so you can see why I've arrived at it & judge for yourself whether or not it checks out - and in any case this is just my 2 cents, you can take it or leave it no one's saying you have to agree.

I mean, typology can't tell you who you are, you are the same person before & after you or anybody else pins a label to you. It can only explain the traits that you already have. There's absolutely nothing I could do to you dude im just a rando on the internet.

I'm honestly a little bit rattled as I do not see which part of what I wrote came off so insulting as to merit such a strong response but whatever it was my intention was just to answer your question as best as I could.

My favorite book (because it's a mix of actionable info and theory and a great overview of everything) is Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self Discovery, by Riso and Hudson: https://www.amazon.com/Personality-Types-Using-Enneagram-Self-Discovery/dp/0395798671

This guy is kind of taking the brave stance of being a type 2 sp/sx male - Why You'll Marry the Wrong Person. With 2s there's a highlighted interest in emotions, relationships, marriage, seduction, some social gossip here and there, the give-and-take aspect of people relating to one another, and an interest in both 8s and 6s and at times 1s, 4s, and 5s. I'd recommend buying Wisdom of Enneagram and completing the quizzes in that book if you're searching for your type.

a lot of what you're talking about is straight up trauma and moving in and out of triggered states of being. so you're constantly going into flight/fight/freeze mode and while I think there are likely correlations between trauma responses and types, it is going to be VERY hard to see past those responses to identify who you really are.

as far as this:

>anxious anticipation of the past to repeat itself

in What's Your Enneatype? by Liz Carver in the section about Sixes it specifically says

>Pretraumatic Stress Disorder (n.): The "reliving of traumatic events" or episodes before the stressful situation ever takes place (if it even takes place at all.)

this seems to match what you're saying a lot. maybe this book would be helpful for you to read?

in terms of my own strengths as a child, the problem I had is that they were the only things that were celebrated. I was ignored when I was hurt or in pain and there was no tolerance for showing weakness, where weakness was defined as basically any soft feeling. I (8) responded to this by emotionally detaching from my parents at a relatively young age, my younger sister (3) responded by playing to strengths they admired and rewarded.

There’s a considerable amount of competing narrative around the original symbol and where it came from. What we know is that Gurdjief did not use it as a personality system but as a much bigger, cosmic model of the universe. Ichazo has a subset of teaching that uses the model at the personality level, which Naranjo builds upon further - while also injecting his own esoteric narratives around where the personality types came from.

If you’d like to dig into the symbol and numbers this is a decent primer:

The Enneagram of G. I. Gurdjieff: Mathematics, Metaphysics, Music, and Meaning (Codhill Press) https://smile.amazon.com/dp/1930337949/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_QMB5FZJ14X9616Z96PFZ?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1

I am not an expert, but I find the online tests to be... inconsistent. And now, as you said, you have a confirmation bias.

I did a quick search online for the bullet lists that describe each type but didn't find it. If you look you can probably find it. I used https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004MYFLAY/.

I narrowed it down to the possible types, went thru the bullet lists and checked off what applied to me. It was clearly down to 5 or 8. At that point I read thru the detailed description in the book of each type and looked at the internal motivations descriptions.

Most folks who know me guess off the top that I'm an 8, but in looking at the internal motivations descriptions it became clear I was a 5 that was just well integrated.

Anyway, that's how I'd approach it. An expert may come along and give you a better approach.

They don't ever go to 1 really. There's a confusion in the enneagram community that integration is supposed to represent personal growth and all things positive, and disintegration is the opposite. Well it doesn't work like that. The growth measurement is the health levels for any type. So an unhealthy 4 is going to integrate to an unhealthy 1, and do you really want that? If you want to learn more about health levels I highly recommend the Wisdom of Enneagram book, it explains this confusion in there with plenty of primary sources.

>Could you explain how it can effect a more long term goal?

1. It forces the goal to become actionable. That is, you find the next thing to do in the goal and 54321 do it. A lot of inaction in big goals is not knowing what to do next or not knowing how to act on it. So the 5 second rule forces the issue.

2. You run out of small need to dos that run around your brain and take up cognitive space because they are taken care of and met. We 9s like to use minor priorities to avoid big priorities and commitments. When the small stuff is taken care of, there is more space for the big stuff.

3. Every big goal is a set of small actions. You write a novel one word at a time. Wring one word is easy. Writing a novel is hard. When you use 54321 to write the next word, the novel will get written.

4. You are much more likely to meet a big goal because you meet all the small ones and are now inclined to act and meet your goals than not act and not meet them. You can trust yourself again. This is huge for 9s. We don't trust ourselves to do what we need or want to do. We don't tend to take on that responsibility and power. We tell ourselves we do, but we are lying and we know it so we avoid, hedge, let other people decide for us and so on.

>Since big life changes can't be made in one impulsive moment, how do you keep the momentum going on something that takes time and planning

GTD. &quot;Getting Things Done&quot; is an organizational/planning methodology developed by David Allen that works really well for this. You can keep track of everything through it. But again taking action is the important difficult part for a 9, not planning.

The Brain That Changes Itself: Stories of Personal Triumph from the Frontiers of Brain Science (James H. Silberman Books) https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B000QCTNIW/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_navT_g_56N48Z3TBRK0RP71XZDP

This was recommended by my therapist for a 2, I know. Maybe it’s something you can work on to help: Self-Love Workbook for Women: Release Self-Doubt, Build Self-Compassion, and Embrace Who You Are (Self-Help Workbooks for Women) https://www.amazon.com/dp/1647397294/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_R59CE8M9WVNMSHASC36E?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1

It really is all about loving yourself where you are at. That’s why you keep flipping back to a persona. You haven’t accepted you are your core. Best of luck. Hope this helps.

Here's an excellent one -> https://www.amazon.com/InsideOut-Enneagram-Game-Changing-Guide-Leaders/dp/0984884203

Discovering your personality type, also Riso and Hudson. The most accessible enneagram book I've come across, and doesn't try to inject a bunch of new-age mysticism into the thing.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/311057.Discovering_Your_Personality_Type

There is an old podcast called Wild Crazy Meaningful Enneagram, and the hosts talk about the Enneagram in a non-religious manner. You can find the old episodes here.

okay uh i did someting else to it but i really really hope this works if not ima just type all the percentages down. (sorry for the incovenience) Result image

Found it on Amazon. It has battery powered LED lights that you can switch on and off. Really cool.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B091HHDX35/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_QF97M71SNBCX8ZEDDPNQ?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1

What helped me was reading this book: https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Enneagram-Psychological-Spiritual-Personality/dp/0553378201

Here's a great book on the 27 subtypes: https://1lib.us/book/11828553/c46446

There's also a +600 page book about type 7, if you're willing to purchase it (it also goes into the subtypes of type 7, but much more extensively, including childhood, historical characters, the characteristic neurotic need, etc): https://www.amazon.com/Golosos-Tramposos-So%C3%B1adores-y-Charlatanes/dp/841614558X

Right on, I know where you are coming from. I highly encourage you to book that appointment. Call up anyone who is local and see if you're simpatico, and make a deal.

I can only speak from personal experience and say that the handful of folks (including myself) that I've had take the official test has been typed accurately.

I have taken the test both ways, and can say that although I scored the same type, I had a more confident experience through the institute and also was able to dive deeper through their material.

I've also read https://www.amazon.com/Personality-Types-Using-Enneagram-Self-Discovery/dp/0395798671 cover to cover, as well as having my educational background in social sciences.

It's good to dig and research, though we are all susceptible to potential blind spots in our conscious development, and thus need objective input to inform the subjective processing.

The type 4 one is straight-up stolen from Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self-Discovery.
Seems like a pattern is emerging.

Pseudoscience for sure. Science on the other hand has actually studied MBTI and found litterally zero correlations with anything. See: https://www.amazon.com/Personality-Brokers-Strange-History-Myers-Briggs/dp/0385541902

While the general approach is to focus first on treating the mental health issue using mental health professionals and approaches (and just supported by knowledge of the Enneagram), my understanding is that this Field Guide is one good source to help integrate the two.

https://www.amazon.com/ENNEAGRAM-Enneagram-Counseling-Therapy-Personal-ebook/dp/B00CM1RSIW

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004MYFLAY/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&amp;btkr=1 my favorite resource so far! Personality Types - Don Richard Riso. Road Back to You has also been enlightening and is a much better introductory book (author holds a Christian perspective if thats okay with you! he is not pushy about it)

Longitudinal studies (of people across decades of their lives, from birth to death) can shed some light as to how personality develops. This book is fairly recent and very interesting, based on a fairly robust longitudinal study: https://www.amazon.com/Origins-You-Childhood-Shapes-Later-ebook/dp/B082DL3PJC

I was in the same boat, I literally identify with all the types in your title too. I read this book (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310348277/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1) and had some discussion with my girlfriend and close family, I am pretty sure I am a 9w1 now. Honestly I came here to post something similar, and the other comments have already confirmed it enough. Its tough for me to identify as a 9 because you almost instinctual want to disassociate yourself with your feelings and for me at least, idealize with being and intellectual (5).

The book mention's 9's being the type having the most difficulties learning about or being in touch with their identities (even though they seek it deeply, as you can tell by the amount of thought you put into this post), as well as seeming to just blow up with anger like a switch, and then feeling terrible regret for their anger. These are what led me to believe I was a 9.

Edit: I am also very indecisive and behave differently depending on who I am around. Both typical 9 traits from what I understand.

I'd talk to a good counselor/therapist about it primarily, in order to stay away from self-diagnosing. But here is a book that I've found on a subject: https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Unaffirmed-Recognizing-Emotional-Deprivation/dp/0818909188/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1550759268&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=healing+the+unaffirmed+recognizing+emotional+deprivation+disorder

You can also google for scholarly articles on "emotional deprivation."

https://www.amazon.com/Character-Neurosis-Integrative-Claudio-Naranjo/dp/0895560666/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1526093323&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=Character+and+neurosis

Personalitycafe forums also have pretty much the whole chapters in each type sub-section. Usually stickied. The actual book is worth it though.

http://personalitycafe.com/enneagram-personality-theory-forum/

Yeah that feeling is rough. How people present themselves, and what they actually do often don't match up. Add in the fact that what we perceive of them is only a tiny fraction of who they are and it is a miracle anyone has any friends at all!

What helped me when I was having a hard time with this is a beautiful book called How To Win Friends and Influence People. by Dale Carnegie. It has been in print for 80 years because relationship, friendship, intimacy, is a skill but we think it is a personality trait. We are never taught how to deal with other people and make friends. We are just expected to "figure it out." This book is geared for getting in the door so to speak. It has a number of ways to create and sustain a friendship. Then you can go as deeply/intimately with a friend as you care to.

It is a mistake to associate type 8 with these disorders. They only fit type 3. The mistake is that type 8 is associated with Borderline - Impulsive variant. This disorder leads to violence, but it is not anti-social. It is impulsiveness. See my book: https://www.amazon.com/You-Unlimited-Mind-Reading-Masses/dp/1600373577/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1507650870&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=you+unlimited+joost+van+der+leij

You do sound like a 9 to me. :)

This book is a great read if you are interested in learning more about your type (and other types) in depth. It will also help you confirm your type: The Wisdom of the Enneagram

I would suggest that you read this book and you make get a more in depth idea of the two types. My partner is a classic 9 and i'm a classic 4 (we both fit the types earily well) so I have a pretty clear idea of how each of them can look. It does sound like you have some aspects of both, but the motivations and fears of each type are pretty different.

Let us know if you figure it out! :)

If you're going religious, this book was written by the rabbi at a synagogue I used to go to. It also happens to be pretty great.

You're welcome :)

I found this book to be good at explaining the mechanics of self-compassion, but I didn't find it particularly convincing. Self-compassion is something you need to think you deserve, and then something you need to practice every day. So far I haven't found a resource other than personal development that encouraged me to practice it. But maybe you're different. I know there are self-compassion quizzes online... Maybe that can point you in the right direction. Best of luck!

This one

It's a great complimentary book to the official Riso-Hudson book. She doesn't address wings, but she goes much more in-depth to the sx/so/sp variants (which probably correlates to a wing anyway) than any other author. Like a 4w3 is more likely to be an sx or so than an sp.

It is not my best book, but the only one currently available in English. https://www.amazon.com/You-Unlimited-Mind-Reading-Masses/dp/1600373577/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1468996125&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=joost+van+der+leij

Asking others is not a preferable method of discovering your type. Read all of the type descriptions closely, and if that doesn't do it for you, nonjudgmentally examine your behavior over the next few days. It can be a process, but the only one who can really type you is you.

Edit: I'd recommend using the Enneagram Institute's book, <em>The Wisdom of the Enneagram</em> if you can get your hands on it.

No that makes very little sense.

Forget about growth, it is about leaving stress behind (type 6) and go towards relaxation (type 3).

In times of stress type 9 starts to have a lot of negative inner self talk and worries. Rather than do this kind of thinking it like a type 6, it is better to start new projects, work and do something (type 3) as it will relax you.

In times of stress type 9 is searching and reading looking for explanation that explain why the type 9 is stressed like a type 6. This only stresses the type 9 even more. Instead do what type 3 does and get a "what is in it for me" attitude looking at how things benefit you.

In times of stress type 9 focuses like a type 6 on theory. Relaxation follows when type 9 focuses on practical stuff like a type 3.

In times of stress type 9 starts to become suspicious of others. This is the interest type 6 has in looking for depth gone wrong. Way better is to be superficial like type 3 as that relaxes the type 9. Grow a Teflon skin if you want growth.

All details can be found in my book: https://www.amazon.com/You-Unlimited-Mind-Reading-Masses/dp/1600373577/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1465708047&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=you+unlimited+joost+van+der+leij

I agree this will help a 9. I really recommend the book Crucial Conversations

It will give the skills to turn the kind of conflict 9's are uncomfortable with into dialogue, including how to initiate dialogue. It's a very 9 book, because 9s are naturally inclined towards mediation.

Here's the book.

Yeah that's a good point. The "might as well" attitude could be helpful. Try it out, discover what's important along the way.

• Buy Riso's book
• avoid the internet, it's mostly people rambling and speculating