What are /r/Purism's favorite Products & Services?

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DC-Output : 19V-3.42A-65W - Input : 100-240V - 1.5A 50/60 Hz. ; Connector size: 5.5*2.5mm.

The following have been tested to work 100% with both the L13 and L15 in addition to being identical specifications wise:

Power Adapter for Asus Laptop Charger: USA UL Listed 2y Warranty Extra Long Notebook Power Cord ADP-45BW ADP-65JH BB EXA0703YH https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005NCOPT2/.

ADP-65JH BB EXA0703YH PA-1700-02 X551 X551M X551CA X551MA X551MAV X751MA X551MA-DS21Q X551MA-RCLN03 New AC Adapter Charger Power Cord for ASUS 65W https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZECL78/.

I assume that the community and Purism will make all the common programs, so I'm not going to list those here. Will instead list programs that I know I want, not knowing whether anyone will make them:

• a hiking GPS app (like Gaia or Backcountry Explorer)

• various calculators, which I'm assuming will be easy to create from Linux versions

• a timing program, with timer and stopwatch

• an alarm program, for waking up in the morning!

• a port of Google Earth would be super cool, and maybe it's possible since it already exists in Linux

• I've got an Android program called ISS detector, which I love having since I camp a lot, and it's fun to point it out to people who have never seen it

• A birding program like iBird or Merlin on Android. This requires a massive database, so I don't know if it's possible with cooperation with one of the companies that already make these kinds of apps

• Chess

• a simple music player, like Music Folder Player for Android

• A night time screen darkener that's easy to use, like Night Owl for Android

• A simple photo editor/viewer, like Pix on linux

• a QR code scanner, like QR Droid

• a shared shopping list program, like "Our Groceries Shopping List" on Android

• a sky astronomy program, like SkEye or Sky Map

• Someone needs to make sure that Syncthing will run on Librem

• it would be really neat to have a program like Wifi Analyzer (Android) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en_US

• a simple audio recording program, that will save microphone audio to an mp3 or something like that

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Basically, I was able to get Signal messaging working on the Librem 5. I downloaded snapd (sudo apt install snapd, I also ran sudo snap install core), got the axolotl snap package (https://snapcraft.io/axolotl, I ran sudo snap install axolotl --candidate), started up axolotl via axolotl -e server, then connected to the client in a web browser to http://127.0.0.1:9080. Obviously I changed to dark mode, and to complete the aesthetic, full screen it (terminal keyboard layout, ">_" special chars, F11)

After all that, I can message anyone else using signal, and share files with them. Pictures are displayed inline. But, axolotl does not support calls or voice messages as of this posting.

From the article (why did you link to a toot?)

> The setup is sane: SSL is disabled by default, which makes perfect sense for a phone that targets “normal people” and wants to be secure.

Huh? A privacy phone disable secure communications? That... can't be right. I must be misunderstanding something.

What I'm looking forward to is using Signal and KDE-Connect on the phone. Signal just needs a client that doesn't render everything in a browser and doesn't eat up the battery then it's golden, imo.

As for Matrix, there's NeoChat which is still in beta.

https://librem.one is what you are referring to, I believe. I just signed up for it a few days ago and I'm happy with it so far, and I feel good about being able to support Purism. I'm excited about the Librem 5.

As far as Mozilla goes, I don't know what they could partner up with. Maybe cloud storage, or onion support, but both of those are stretch goals for Librem One.

So Purism are launching a privacy respecting digital services bundle which includes VPN and Email. It seems there is also a "pay what you like" tier which gets you their "messaging" and "social" services. The social service seems to be a Mastodon instance which they are running. They also talk about plans to expand into cloud storage/backups, payments, and phone carrier services. Loads of info here here and here . I'm curious on what people think of this move?

What makes you trust this company with your data? It's all half baked forked or resold services and they already showed many times they're willing to lie to make themselves look better. It's barely better than me setting up an xmpp server and selling you an account. My advice would be to get accounts for services you need with specialists like Proton or AirVPN

I’ve just switched over to Proton from Google. I LOVE it. I have the Plus version and it’s so easy go organise multiple email addresses etc. Would defo recommend. ProtonCalendar is also great but the iOS app isn’t out yet (will be getting a de-Googled Android after this phone dies).

Edit: I use NordVPN which is super easy although at the end of my current payment time I’ll be evaluating Nord, ProtonVPN and others.

>Are there data limits after which speeds get throttled on Librem Tunnel ?

Seems like no, but the speed is horrible. It can't play 1080p Youtube videos in real time and pages noticibly load slower, so I was forced to turn off VPN. I now use ProtonVPN and it is very fast and I can't tell the difference if VPN is on or off. And I think it is also cheaper and allows offers many countries, while LibremOne VPN only allows USA.

>Can Librem Chat, Librem Tunnel and Librem Mail be used anywhere in the world ?

I don't know, but I will give you more important information. The Librem Chat has 10mb file limit, so if you try to send larger file, it will upload entire file and only then it will say that it is too big (and there is no built in image and video compression). If you are using free plan, you get only 1gb of chat storage, if you pay, you get very generous 2gb. This is 100% ripoff. To put that in perspective, Telegram is free, has a good track record of protecting user's privacy and it has 4gb file limit and unlimited storage. And yes, I am avare that Telegram doesn't use e2ee by default.

Overall, I would say, that LibremOne is horrible service with very stingy limits. You are much better looking elsewhere. The only reason why someone wants to use LibremOne is to support Purism.

GrapheneOS doesn't care if a phone typically ships with an Android OS or not but rather only about the actual functionality of the device with a strong focus on the privacy and security properties it can offer. Certain things are a hard requirement. For example, at this point, we consider it a hard requirement to have a well made secure element providing a compatible hardware keystore and encryption integration. The encryption integration is described in detail at https://grapheneos.org/faq#encryption and is needed to provide secure encryption for anything short of a high entropy passphrase (i.e. what most users will use in practice). It's also still nice to have even with a strong passphrase, and there are a lot of benefits from a proper hardware keystore. A lot of other things like proper IOMMU isolation for components (radios, GPU, media encode/decide, etc.), full security updates, Wi-Fi anonymity (much more than MAC randomization) and other things are also requirements.

We're in talks with some hardware vendors to try to get them to make devices suiting our needs. See https://twitter.com/grapheneos/status/1356385317952102400. We don't have shared goals with Purism and a lot of our approach / goals conflict heavily with what they do, so there's little chance of ever having official GrapheneOS support for their hardware. People are free to make unofficial support, of course.

I don't see how it would be a bad thing to have another cloud backup option available as a normal app that people could install. It's not deliberate that that apps like Google Maps and Google Drive aren't available as options on GrapheneOS but rather they depend on the OS including hard-wired, special cased support for Google services which obviously isn't going to happen. If they simply worked as regular apps, without any OS support for them, then I wouldn't have any issue with people choosing to use them. It's up to the OS to provide a good app sandbox and permission model, which it does, and it's being substantially improved upstream and by GrapheneOS. If people want to use a Google service for something like this, that's their prerogative, and I don't think it's a worse option than some other centralized service like Dropbox. I would recommend that people locally encrypt anything they store on a service like that, but that's service-agnostic advice.

People do have options to use them via third party apps like NewPipe for YouTube and of course the web browser. GrapheneOS is obviously not going to do anything to stop people from using their chosen apps and services, and while it's going to recommend certain apps / services and recommend against others, that's going to be based on the actual facts and differences between them rather than convenient misinformation and dishonesty. You can see an example of this in the new usage guide being put together at https://grapheneos.org/usage#web-browsing. It contains an accurate and fact-based comparison of the available options with recommendations based on that.

My stance is that this is an important project whether or not it ships hardware. I consider crowdfunding pledges to be a support for the idea rather than a purchase of hardware, and I'm fine if I never see phone-in-hand from this, although I would certainly love it if I do.

That being said, it sounds like they might've bitten off more than they can chew. The laptops were a much easier packaging problem, much lighter software mods, and laptop hardware tends to stay relevant for longer so an extended timeline doesn't mean certain obsolescence.

On the other hand, I'm still running a Galaxy S4 as my daily driver, so I'm not too concerned with outdated hardware, evidently! At the moment I'm pretty optimistic about the /e/ effort, since it seems like piggybacking on other people's hardware is a lot more practical, even if it doesn't give control over the whole stack the way Purism likes to work.

Ultimately we need control over the whole stack. There's no doubt in my mind that this is important. I'm just not sure if it's practical.

Yes, it works with an Eviciv Portable Monitor, just like regular linux does ... but it gets confused sometimes when you have multiple touch screens, which touch belongs to which screen. That is a linux problem, not a librem 5 specific thing.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08H8N43ZC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They criticized everything Mozilla does to make money, from search engine deals to the ProtonVPN partnership, ignoring that it can all be disabled or removed. It contains some blatant falsehoods (that you cannot disable updates or install unsigned add-ons). Why aren't we criticizing Purism for making money or cutting their own deal with PIA? If they really cared about people, they would give away their laptops for free, right?

Nah, only those "greedy fucks" at Mozilla are in it for the money, I guess, despite the Mozilla Foundation being a 501(c)(3) non-profit and the sole owner of the Mozilla Corporation. If they are motivated by greed the organization is not well-structured to achieve this goal.

This is what happens to your reasoning when you start with the conclusion.

Their warning: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/device-handling-security/#security-warning-on-usb-input-devices

They recommend a second USB controller if you have no PS/2 on your motherboard: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/system-requirements/

I'm not sure if I understand it correctly, but I suppose this way you entrust one controller with your keyboard and mouse and don't use it for any other USB devices, while leaving the second controller fully untrusted. If you have only one controller and enable keyboard and mouse in there, if you insert an untrusted USB device that pretends to be a keyboard, it can take over dom0 (like rubber ducky).

It's still worse than using actual PS/2 peripherals but better than having only one controller.

Even better, Purism could include a PS/2 controller and an external USB-to-PS/2 adapter. This way the system would see your USB peripherals as PS/2 without further tinkering.

Author here, sorry for that typo – it’s indeed SSH (I have corrected it since). KDE Connect works great on my PinePhone, I look forward to trying it on PureOS once the move to Byzantium is done.

I am aware of the NeoChat hype, but .. it was not that great when I tried on my PinePhone running Phosh, I accidentally left rooms while trying to navigate to different rooms. Also, the fact that it does not support End2End-Encryption yet makes it unappealing for me, which is why I go with Hydrogen. If you really dislike Webapps, Mirage (https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/mirage) is the only client supporting E2EE and sorta working on phones currently.

>There is currently no specific hardware (e.g., specific laptop model) that the Qubes team recommends for individual users. However, we’re working hard to make a “reasonably secure laptop” a reality, and we look forward to sharing more information about this when the time is right. - Quebes
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>https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/certified-hardware/

Again, their cert is meaningless and without definition so who care what hardware does or doesn't get the "cert".

"While the Firefox source code from the Mozilla project is free software, they distribute and recommend nonfree software as plug-ins and addons. Also their trademark license imposes requirements for the distribution of modified versions that make it inconvenient to exercise freedom 3."

https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/

>Privacy comes as one of the many nice side effects of owning the hardware and software heart and soul.

It has to be built with privacy in mind. Just look at Chromium, it's FOSS but it's still spyware because it calls home! So if you want a "private chromium" you have to use this https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

as for finding rooms, there was a way to list all public rooms but I have no idea how that would work on librem.ones matrixs server, on the main matrix.org server you can see all the public rooms

PIA actually has a fairly decent reputation amongst VPN providers. I’d put them right up there with Nord and Mullvad. PIA is also the only provider that has successfully proven its no-logs claim in court.

It is still US-based so I wouldn’t use it.

Librem Chat uses Matrix so your data is not stored in a single server but rather in multiple servers managed by different entities. Librem could cease to exist and your data would still be accessible.

Librem Tunnel uses Private Internet Access and they don't store any data.

Any client connected to your Librem Mail account will download all your emails and attachments to your device already.

Librem Social is one I don't know much about, I know it's decentralized but I don't know how it distributes information across the federation nor do I know if Librem is even hosting their own servers or just connecting you to other servers.

Is this the VPN service which uses PIA?

If you need to bypass US government spying, you shouldn't use PIA.

Similarly if you need to bypass the Chinese government censorship, you shouldn't use ExpressVPN.

PIA is US based and ExpressVPN is China based.

Yes. I agree. I use both ProtonVPN and PIA, but that’s my choice. I was also thinking of preordering. But, since reading this, I’m holding off. I want to make sure the option is there and not have a choice made for me. Should be nothing preinstalled from third parties such as PIA. It could just be an option, such as “Would you like to install?” And explain what it is and why this is a good option. My PIA subscription runs out soon and I won’t be renewing due to the fact that my ProtonMail subscription comes with a VPN.

Maybe you are receiving an authentication error of some sort? That happens sometimes, OpenVPN has some issues recognizing special characters as they are not being read correctly.

I have configured NordVPN via Manager, via teminal and via their new application. Check out another service to allocate if the issue is within your system or the provider settings

Maybe an older model from eBay? Or one of these.

https://www.amazon.com/Orange-Pi-Allwinner-Open-Source-Android10/dp/B09TR3BH34/

https://www.amazon.com/Libre-Computer-AML-S905X-CC-Potato-64-bit/dp/B074P6BNGZ/

Second that. I've been using a Nokia 130 (an older model, it's been updated now) without a sim card as an mp3 player. It cost me £1 with a pay-as-you go plan and I've been using it daily for more than 4 years. Dropped it more times than I can count. It can take a 32G SD card. It's not the best in terms of interface but it does the job, and I don't have to deal with Apple software (although for some reason I haven't figured out how to format its SD card on Linux so it can read it properly. Once formatted on Windows it magically works). The sound quality is OK imo. Doesn't read FLAC.

And Librem5 is what? High end high quality? Custom ROM is what really narrows it down, otherwise offering not that big but not that bad either. And it gets bigger if you take into account last year.

Also there is Fairphone which provides everything you want and then some. From custom ROM, replaceable battery to replaceable anything and readily available spare parts for years to come. And they will give you a discount if you send old phone to them for recycling. So that's a win-win situation in my book and I think this is the device of choice for my next upgrade. Am generally okay with Android and the device comes without bloatware and other junk at the price that is at least 200€ cheaper than Librem5.

I don't think so. IIRC it requires a plugin that is no longer allowed in Firefox or Chrome. https://www.runescape.com/browser-support

> Recent updates to Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox drop support for the Java plug-in required to play RuneScape.

> As such, it's no longer possible to play RuneScape in these browsers.

You can install the newest version from source or add the official repository to your system and install it that way.

Using the repository would make updating it easier.

I will never use Splitit again and would highly recommend other consumers to never use Splitit. OCM is one of the companies they have a business relationship with and I took advantage of the split payment plan. An order I placed on August 3, 2020 has still not been shipped (going on 20 business days) due to billing problems. OCM- On Campus Marketing LLC- another problem company, only states that there is a problem with billing and they cannot process and ship my order until billing is resolved. I eventually decided to just make the payment in full to see if that would speed up shipping, but it hasn't really helped.

The only email correspondence back from Splitit are periodic emails with a generic "Please accept our apologies for the delays. I am writing this message to let you know we have not forgotten about your case. We are waiting for an answer regarding the issue you have been facing. Rest assured that your case is still open on our side and is being looked into. We will update you on the matter as soon as we receive an answer."

DO NOT USE SPLITIT SINCE YOU WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANTLY DELAYED, IF SHIPPED, ORDER!

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So while they ask that contributions be licensed under both MPLv2 and LGPLv3+, the project is quite clearly MPLv2.

> Also, any tutorials on leaving the iOS Ecosystem and moving on to the Librem 5?

This question is very interesting! I can only imagine you asked something similar to Reset The Net: Privacy Pack, or FSF's recommended free software table for iOS. I believe we can make better table that suits your question. What's your opinion?

I might be the only one, but would want a client for Newsblur like the free software app for Android. Otherwise, basic stuff that might already be covered: * Calendar * Task list * Contacts * CalDAV/CardDAV sync for use with the above

When I asked several months ago about maps/navigation it was mentioned they would likely fork or contribute to GNOME Maps which uses the OpenStreetMap dataset: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Maps

In short, if you want better Maps whenever the official maps app is released (it's not in their 'must have' set so might not exist at launch), contribute to OpenStreetMap. If you have any quesitons feel free to join us on Slack: https://osmus.slack.com/

But neither EFL nor DALi use the Flora license - that "efl-modules" appears to be just some widget extensions which are probably completely unnecessary.

It's a bit like saying because there are "non-free" Debian packages, that completely eliminates Debian for most of the Linux community.

Not sure what "Unauthorized use or replication of external APIs is prohibited" actually means, but it's also definitely not on all its documentation pages (I am actually only seeing it on exactly one page https://docs.tizen.org/application/native/index ). All the documentation pages seem to link to https://www.tizen.org/content-license instead. And I am not really sure how relevant that warning is if the actual software packages don't have that restriction.

https://lineage.microg.org/ here is a good starting point, Lineage refuses to allow signature spoofing. Which MicroG requires, OmniRom allows it though if you were considering using something besides Lineage.

So that's a "privacy" ding.

A "security" ding that they also know about (IIRC, it was a reported bug) is that they don't PGP-sign their SHA-hashes for their download ISO's ( https://pureos.net/download/ ). The BS response to the bug was "the download is https" only addressed the threat of stealing the domain name and ignores the "hack the website" threat (a la Mint: hack the website, replace the ISO's and SHA-hashes).

> For most phones there is no chance that you can install a GNU/Linux OS

Well, maybe not a GNU/Linux distribution, but a regular Linux distribution is most certainly possible. For example at postmarketOS we boot up to 200 devices already, the majority of which are regular Android phones.

Yes, it's far from perfect, but it's a reasonable consideration.

Flatpak's offer no real security. They are a stability feature first and foremost.

https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Dev/Strong_Linux_User_Account_Isolation#Setting_up_a_fake_sudo

Flatpaks/snaps/firejails are isolating so little of the system it's like considering water shoes part of a scuba suit.

The chromium sandbox is an example of how it should be done for a desktop program, but that's an impractical amount of work.

GNU+Linux for the Desktop would have to be massively rebuilt to support userspace MAC in a meaningful way. Only two projects have done that. ChromeOS and Android.

After seeing that they had no interest in getting a phone from batch Aspen to UBports, Purism is not interested in making it easy for others in the open source community to contribute.

https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/october-2019-status-of-ubuntu-touch-on-librem-5-smartphone-250

Anyway, should you wish to contribute personally, you can review that link for some ideas of things that you could help with. Also look into Plasma Mobile community for some ideas.

https://www.plasma-mobile.org/

Any updates should be done through PureOS' package manager. I'm not sure if they use [apt](

The releases are packaged at certain intervals, similar to Ubuntu/Debian releases. Releases can happen when there's enough packages out of date to warrant a new revision that has the latest stable packages at the release date.

Any updates should be done through PureOS' pacakge manager. I'm not sure if they use [apt](https://wiki.debian.org/Apt) or something else.

Sure! r/GrapheneOS and more specifically https://grapheneos.org/ Pixel 3 and 3a are actually recommended hardware right now too, so you’re in luck! It’s probably a little technical but worth it IMO. There’s probably also some YouTube videos out there on how to install it if the documentation isn’t clear enough.

> his is the realm of speculation and gossip, but I suspect Purism sought out being "QubesOS certified", but did little to support Qubes.

I don't know that there's any evidence to support this, and such speculation seems unwarranted.

> I know for example they released a laptop soon after this deal which went against some hardware recommendations made by Qubes.

citation needed? Best I can tell, all the recent Librem laptops now meet Qubes' current requirements for hardware certification

That's not entirely true. Android is not bloated or heavy. Gapps on the other hand are. More to the point, take a look at any desktop environment and you can't possibly get away with using less than 400MB of RAM while Android will happily run on that. If you want to see just how much faster the Android is than regular Linux application I suggest grabbing Android x86 image and running it from USB. You'll surprised.

I have no idea what makes you think that first mobile release of desktop applications, services and environment would be better at running on mobile phone than operating system specially designed for mobile devices and optimized over the course of almost a decade. If nothing else Android will silently close applications while saving their state in order to free up memory for others while there's no such functionality on native Linux applications.

Early Androids, sure. Versions after 5 I don't agree as much. Android is very flexible and well optimized operating system. It doesn't feel like it but the moment you run it on x86 CPU you realize just how fast and well optimized it is. Also, when people say Android, they usually think of Android + Gapps. Pure Android is far less bloated.

I suggest grabbing Android x86 ISO image, making a bootable USB and trying it. It's one hell of a usable desktop OS and blistering fast.

By no means a perfect solution, but you could look at using LineageOS. It might be the weaker option from a security or privacy standpoint, but it involves a lot less compromise on convenience. Many apps work fine without Google Play Services, but if that's a deal-breaker, you can install something like microg along with it.

I hope the Librem 5 is great, but $600 is a really big ask at this point.

ow. Now I see. This is weird. Then the BIOS is doing fine and there is nothing to change there. On the official site they recommend using etcher as the boot media prepairing tool. Maybe then try Etcher

I've seen people mention Anbox as an option. I believe that's the solution Ubuntu Touch uses. I don't really see a reason why it couldn't work in the Librem, and seeing as Anbox is OSS, it could even come pre-installed in PureOS.

> Dont worry I generally do check gpg signatures and that built code vs code in the repo matches up. So I got ya covered.

Does that do anything? The question is whether you trust Purism ... of course somebody from Purism signed the code.

The question that I was asking was: Did you check that the source code in the repo compiles to the same binary as the binary code in the repo? That has nothing to do with signatures.

But going back to GPG signatures: Have you created and published your own GPG signature? Do you understand the concept of "web of trust" for GPG signatures? https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x547.html If so, you're aware you can claim to be anyone in your signature. Who is in your web-of-trust that guarantees that the tag on the signature is who they say they are?

I'm sure they know about this there is no reason for me to waste my time really . And you don't have to trust me on this just download librem.one mail on Android and you will see yourself . In my opinion Purism's entire marketing strategy is to tell people that we care about privacy and since its one of the few companies who does this people will give away their money to them to support them just because of that . Now they are based in US which has a terrible privacy history and if a court orders them to giveaway all of their customers info they will do it in a second . They would never risk their business . So i'm not sure how accurate their claims are on this regard . But overall i don't think they will last specially in this market if they continue giving people bad quality services and devices .

The first round is shipping out, or will be soon, according to Purism. You've seen the level of quality it's at now. It has improved a lot in the last six months or so (you can find videos online of earlier builds on dev kits) so progress is happening, and being Linux based improvements will continue to come quickly from the community once it's out.

Once it's out, reviews will follow. Based on what we've seen, you shouldn't expect it to be great, especially compared to an iPhone. This will be an early adopter product for awhile, probably at least the first year or three. I think it's reasonable to expect most of us are going to be using it as a secondary device for awhile.

As for migrating from iOS to it… there's a million ways Apple has sunk their talons into your digital life, so there's more to go into than one comment could really address, but you could start the process by migrating to freedom-respecting services like Librem One, which will work on your iPhone and other devices. Some services, like iCloud mail and calendars, will work on the Librem 5, but others like iMessage and their photo backups, will not.

But the funny thing is the e-mail app from Librem One is not ready for the Librem 5. IMO ... a lot of people are going to be pissed because https://librem.one/ shows a phone with "Librem Mail" . Most people assumed that the phone represented a Librem 5 instead of an Android phone. Marketing/PR might be the death of Purism --> it causes confusion, anger, backlash.

> Im not sure he has thought about the direction of his company in these terms yet

What do you mean? They are literally rolling out precisely what you are talking about, with more services coming soon. In fact, it seems they're rolling out a cloud backup service (Librem Files and Librem Backup), payment service, and even a pay as you go phone service (see the bottom of this site for upcoming products).

Granted, a lot of it is rebranded stuff from other vendors, but they're absolutely trying to build a brand around online privacy. I'm honestly not sure what more you're looking for from them.

There is something wrong with the times on the text message pic. https://nitter.net/pic/https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FENO1M4SWoAAXAXG.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig

And not just that the two phones are showing different times.

One is showing 6:01, and one is showing 10:35.

The phone showing 10:35 is showing 10:26 for both texts. That means the texts were 9 minutes old when the picture was taken.

The phone showing 6:01 shows the initial text at 5:52 - a difference of 9 minutes. Then the response says 7 minutes ago.

This means the phone showing 6:01 saw the text “and now for a response” 2 minutes before the phone showing 10:35.

However, the phone showing 10:35 has the response text on the right. Meaning that phone is the sender. That makes sense. As soon as that phone received the text, it sent a response.

So then how did the receiving phone receive it 2 minutes before the other phone sent it?

Good to know. It would be great if the default chat app on the Librem5 could allow users to add Jami contacts, and support voice chat (one-to-one and group) using the same P2P protocols. In fact, I'd love to see every free code chat app adding support for Jami voice chat, regardless of what protocol they use for text chat (Jabber, Matrix, or email like delta.chat).

I'm impressed with what the Jami team have accomplished with limited resources, especially providing clients for all major platforms. But as of late 2019, the UX of their apps still has a lot of room for improvement. * The current UI makes it hard to figure out how to make a voice conference: https://write.as/c7fda5x13qzve.md * There is no group text chat * You can use the same Jami account on multiple clients, but text chat messages don't sync between them, even if they're both online at the same time. * message delivery can be a bit hit-and-miss

They have a solid team working on the project though, and they seem to make sure new features are working on all clients before rolling them out. So I expect progress on all these things at some point. I'm sure they'd welcome help from anyone who can code C/ C++.

>list was last updated on August 30, 2019

:-(

Also... I see there is a Matrix plugin for Chatty, but am still surprised there isn't a native client in this matrix-native device.

If you use Matrix (which should be supported on the Librem 5) you could look into https://matrix.org/bridges/

Matrix Bridges can connect your Matrix Chats with other Messengers like Facebook and WhatsApp.

I currently use the Telegram and SMS Bridges and they work pretty good so far. I have not tried the Facebook/WhatsApp Matrix bridge. The WhatsApp Bridge seems to take some effort to setup.

Or you could try to use the Librem 5 as WhatsApp Web Client.

> Signal implements some protections like backwards secrecy, contractible and expandable group membership which are not found in Matrix protocol.

That's not really true. Megolm does provide backwards secrecy, but the way it's done is by rotating the session -- by default this is done every 100 messages (or every 7 days, whichever comes first). If you don't believe me, go to a large e2e chat you have an check that the session ID changes once every 100 messages.

Sessions are also regenerated whenever someone leaves a group, leading to contractible group membership -- they can't read new messages. I'm not sure what you mean by "expandable group membership", but the way it works is that (depending on the room policy) the Megolm ratchet of the current session is provided as well as possibly the Megolm ratchets for previous sessions -- so adding a user gives them access to the current and future sessions but not past ones (unless someone else in the group chat gives them access, usually because of the room policy).

If you designed Matrix to work like Signal, you would use Olm to send an ephemeral key for each message sent, and then you would effectively have Megolm but with a new session generated for each message. The reason why they have sessions that last multiple messages (but still use a ratchet system) is because the Signal method is simply inefficient for incredibly large group chats which is the thing that Matrix is trying to solve. But if you want to do that, you can by just setting <code>&quot;rotation_period_msgs&quot;: 1</code> when enabling encryption in a room.

It's not clear exactly what you are asking, but I'll take a stab at it.

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If you are asking about whether you can make PSTN(phone number network) calls from an L5 the answer is yes.

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If you are asking if you can call from a Matrix account out onto the PSTN the answer is that it's entirely possible on a conceptual level. All you would need is a service that you call into and have it relay the voice onto PSTN, like Skype out.

Caveats:

I'm not aware of any such service at this time, although there is one for SMS. (May be in disrepair)

The call would not be end to end encrypted. (This could be engineered around but you would need the other side to be set up so you may as well use the default Jit.si)

Check out Signal. It doesn't move SMS to the desktop, but it does keep your messages between other Signal contacts in sync to multiple devices. All of that with end-to-end encryption.

[https://signal.org/blog/standalone-signal-desktop/](Signal Desktop ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal#Criticism

For example, check out what they did to Mailpile, a Free Software project that used crowdfunding.

Paypal are the worst. They hold your money, but claim that they are neither a money transfer service or a bank, and don't have to be regulated as such, so don't pay attention to the consumer protection laws that exist for money transfer services and banks - and consequently sometimes just take peoples money and then hold onto it and tell them to fuck off.

But that's "disruptive" internet startups for you. Claiming they're not banks, or taxi companies, or travel booking operators, so they don't have to follow the laws that protect customers, suppliers, and employees (sorry, "independent gig economy contractors") and hope they can evade accountability long enough for the low prices these shenanigans allow them to pull to put their competitors out of business.

Fuck Paypal.

Netfix has infamous DRM. . And I am not talking even about streaming. The pages just load horrendously slowly, like 5 - 10 seconds to load a page. And when I did my testing something funny is going on, when you try .

There is a night and day difference between Russian and Chinese services. China is more comparable to North Korea than Russia. I would not touch anything from Chinese CCP spyware. And stay away from CCP phones, Lithuania recently found out built-in censorship function, which can be enabled remotly and urged it's citizens to throw out the phones. . Telegram is Russian, but they are independant and refuses to share keys. That's why Telegram is blocked in CCP China, Russia and other repressive countries.

I am aware about ProtonVPN rumors, but they are just rumors for now. And I trust more ProtonVPN, because they are based in Switzerland with it's good privacy laws. On the other hand, LibremOne VPN uses Private internet access, which is based in USA, with it's interesting privacy laws, PRISMs and Five Eyes Alliance.

Thanks u/Bumbieris112 . But besides occasional video chats, I don't want to stream video over a vpn - not looking to watch Netflix etc from another region. The chat file limit is also not a big deal for me.

I wouldn't trust Telegram or any Russian or Chinese services. As for ProtonVPN, the rumor is that it's a front for spy agencies, and I don't trust that either. I just want a VPN service that prevents my ISP from keeping tabs on every address I visit on the internet, and I don't trust the encrypted DNS services either.

Paying for a VPN maintained by a company based in the US is not very smart.

I would also suggest to avoid NordVPN altogether, they have been known to collaborate with law enforcement (giving logs they say they don't keep) for example in the case of the dutch KPN blackmail hack a few years ago.

It could be, but at least Purism and PINE64 are working on open source (transparency), and you're free to use your own software of you want and can.

But for Google, Apple and Microsoft, we have to trust their word since we can't see the source code, oh and mostly you're not allowed to use any software they don't approve.

And when we talk about hardware kill-switches, there's no way for Purism to make them fake unless they want to destroy themselves in few months after the product release.

And for Purism's services, you have to trust them like any other privacy focused company such as ProtonMail, Tutanota, Mullvad, ProtonVPN, ...

I’m not an expert but: Microsoft suit- replaces by LibreOffice. Should be there on your machine ready to go

ProtonVPN has a good reputation I don’t know how to install but should be easy. I’m using PIA (for the last time then I’ll be changing to either mullvd or protonvpn)

Brave should be installable from brave itself(download it using Firefox and install)

League of legends- I never gained in my life. I don’t know how to install it

Last pass: I don’t think they have native desktop client. Myself I use bitwarden. Which is easily installed on PureOS Hope it helps.

Agree with this, both in terms of the choice of provider (I really like Mullvad, but had good experiences with ProtonVPN), and in terms of using the Network Manager. Mullvad has a nice linux gui (Proton a command line one), but on Gnome systems it breaks the ability to effectively use and integrate online accounts, especially where you might have 2FA enabled. But configure it through the built-in OpenVPN client in Network manager and everything runs incredibly smoothly. You won't even notice it.

Wireguard isn't automatically integrated, as it might be on the newest distros running the latest kernel, but you can get it to work also, so you can use Mullvad's wireguard option.

Ok I went with ProtonVPN for this year at least. I got one open config file for a certain server. I plugged that into the PureOS VPN tool and it wants me to log in with a username and pw. ok. I entered the ones on my ProtonVPN acct I just made. The VPN is down. Do I need a different username and pw?

I believe this one is known to work:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07N124XDS/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A3LKWIQ3PBTNT2&amp;psc=1

It is not a usual practice at PIA.

I'm in a unique position because I've been in the VPN and security circles around reddit for quite some time, so I continue the account that people associate with me.

I started VikingVPN back in the day, founded a few years ago, etc. People who have been around on /r/vpn, /r/privacy, /r/privacytoolsio, /r/codes etc know this username by those things.

I don't mean those cheap styluses you can buy for a dollar or two, I mean Surface or Wacom Cintiq like stylus. Will lthey work?

If not, will we be able to swap the display for some other display that support one of those technologies? I think that surface 3 stylus is supported in Linux kernel we heave now. So, in my case using something like this https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Surface-Pen-Pro-Black/dp/B00VGKHPLK would be enough. But those "sucking cup styluses" are not good enough. I have used them and it's bad when compared with the surface or wacom cintiq pen.

Just buy a generic screen protector from Amazon or somewhere, they're like $12 for a two pack. I bought this one, it works fine (on my System76 Gazelle, but it's the same screen size), just make sure your screen is 110% clean before applying:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LEC2WH6

It's cheaper to make only a few sizes of laptop display panel, so screen protectors are basically universal.