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> Random articles are highly likely to be spam since we have read that a small percentage of the usenet is not spam.

True. But no provider, to my knowledge, public commented on the fact till much later. When I was running my tests, the default assumption was that providers either had their own deep retention, or they relied on bigger providers for such retention. You could actually see articles being pulled from other providers in real time by observing path headers (for those providers that exposed such details).

> It was not my impression Newshosting was a cache system? If it is a cache, how does that explain an article appearing and then disappearing in such a short period of time (days)?

I can't say with any certainty that it is. But articles disappearing and reappearing is to be expected in any caching system. Caching systems using LRU exhibit precisely this behavior.

I already understood that I would need full nzbs to test with since I knew I would eventually be testing some providers who cache and I want to use the same articles for all the tests. Random articles are highly likely to be spam since we have read that a small percentage of the usenet is not spam.

I have a program that I have altered to output some stat data. It is clear that article abc123 is present on the Newshosting platform now and gone later and then back again at a later time. It was not my impression Newshosting was a cache system? If it is a cache, how does that explain an article appearing and then disappearing in such a short period of time (days)?

> Will it soon become yet another monopoly?

Getting there. A lot of these VPN providers sponsor Youtube videos on very big channels. That's a nice way to funnel customers your way and lock out the competition.

Have seen plenty of ads for Express and Nord over the years, not a single one for Mullvad.

> Also owns Highwinds (Omicron Media) and the VPN they offer, wlvpn

HW Media/Omicron sold off everything except the usenet operations to StackPath. So it makes sense that Omicron continues to use their former network infrastructure (including vpn) probably as part of their agreement. And this may not change even if j2 happened to acquire StackPath.*

But where is the link between j2 and Omicron as in "j2 owns Omicron"?

* This part isn't very clear. The j2 CEO, in an earnings call in May 2019, talks about the

• "acquisition of the assets from stack path," and
• "VPN assets, IPVanish, et cetera, the ones that we carved out from a company called StackPath"

I have not included Cheapnews/Elbracht/Newscene etc in the above list.

I know they have had some adverse publicity recently (well the mail service has) but I really like ProtonVPN,

I occasionally use the ones that come with my Usenet subs which are limited although ok, but for my uses ProtonVPN is great and imho well worth the money.

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I will add one to avoid which is Surf Shark, I made the mistake of taking up a 2 year offer with them a couple of years ago which seemed a good deal at the time, I soon discovered you get what you pay for and had constant connection drops and very slow speeds with them, in fact my free Usenet VPN's performed better than Surf Shark.

I haven't used the service for a long time, luckily I set a reminder to cancel it when my two years were running out, I've now found there's no way to cancel an account in their customer dashboard and contacting customer services results in them refusing to cancel the account unless you engage in meaningless dialogue to give them a chance to "fix" any issues!

I'm afraid my last email to them was quite terse (I always try to remain polite no matter how bad a customer service can be) but it did the job and they have finally agreed to cancel my account before they charge me again for a not very good service.

> The chief information officer of a leading virtual private network is among three former US intelligence and military personnel who altogether have been fined more than $1.6 million by the US Department of Justice to resolve hacking-related charges. ExpressVPN CIO Daniel Gericke, as first reported Tuesday by Reuters, is among the three former US intelligence operatives and military members involved in Project Raven who worked as mercenary hackers for the United Arab Emirates, helping it spy on its enemies. ExpressVPN said its trust in Gericke "remains strong."

> The three defendants have agreed to cooperate with US authorities and pay the fine in exchange for deferred prosecution, according to a Justice Department release. The three have also forfeited foreign and US security clearances and face future employment restrictions. The agreement comes a day after ExpressVPN announced it had been sold as part of a $936 million deal to former adware distributors Kape Technologies, a company co-founded by an ex-Israeli surveillance agent and a billionaire previously convicted of insider trading.

This is great. Exactly what I am looking for when selecting a VPN service that is meant to protect my browsing habits from bad actors.

Exactly. That’s what I thought and why I shared it. Curiously, those same sites, even before they were bought by kape, were already biased, previously towards NordVPN and SurfShark, as so many other sites all of us know.

This is correct.

The Millers, (Omicron Media) are out of everything except usenet. They did retain an agreement with Stackpath for upstream transit and outsourcing VPN to bundle with Omicron's usenet services.

This earnings call reflects a deal between J2 and Stackpath transferring ownership of IPVanish.

I'd guess Omicron's bundled VPN (Easynews, Newshosting, UNS) won't be effected, they'll just pay J2 now instead of Stackpath

Tweaknews increased their claimed retention from 1100 days to 2500 days in December 2016. So, if we add two years to the 2500 figure, we end up with a figure very close to 3200. I haven't tested retention in between to know whether the growth has been continuous or sudden.

I don't believe Highwinds has three separate "real" backbones in Europe. There is one in NL, the one called Eweka, and everything else (Base/Tweak, Frankfurt, Newshosting Europe etc) is probably a case of a virtual backbone backed by Eweka supplemented by a local cache. Policies are probably applied to the virtual backbones independent of each other because the legal entities involved are different.

> speculated

That they were providing free services to their entire customer base for months at a time should have been a big clue.

> frontend for Newshosting

Thing is, none of this is a secret. All the information is a couple of google searches away.

> though lately I am experiencing DL speeds around 2-3MB when my plan isn't capped at any speed

So you were getting better speeds before?

> 2-3MB when my plan isn't capped at any speed

The Newshosting plan might not be capped. But what speed does your ISP provide?

> nzbget with torrenting and them have been leeching from the same bandwidth however the tests I have done show that isn't due to any "OS layer" reason.

So, if you stop all other downloads, nzbget still doesn't go over 2-3MB? Have you checked if you have set some speed limit in nzbget?

> any reason not concerning my provide because I could be getting such slow speed?

Such things, if they happen, tend to be temporary. If you have eliminated all possibilities at your end (nzbget, torrents, ISP caps/throttling), then there is no harm in raising a ticket.

Newshosting NL/DE and Eweka NL/DE shares same backbone so retention is same with the only difference being the takedown law, Newshosting US/NL/DE servers all follow DMCA whereas Eweka NL/DE follows NTD which as ksryn explained is most probably achieved at software level.

As for Tweaknews/XLned/Base IP and Eweka as far I have researched Base IP do use Eweka for deeper retention but do maintains its own local retention of about 1300 days.

As with Newshosting and Eweka same is followed with XLned and Tweaknews both use same backbone ie Base IP with XLned having access to less retention ie 2000 days whereas Tweaknews has 2500 days but the major difference being takedown law XLned follows DMCA with the agent being same as Newshosting whereas Tweaknews follows NTD.

Eweka is a Dutch corporation that was acquired by Highwinds more than a decade back. Being Dutch, they follow a NTD policy. So, there will be differences between what articles one finds on servers under Newshosting as compared to those under Eweka, more so when the articles in question are very old.

No it isn't Newsdemon is a Newshosting reseller so Newsdemon can access Newshosting NL and De server but Newshosting have to follow DMCA whereas Eweka follows NTD so you won't be getting same completion.

There is only a few day difference in Newshosting US,NL and DE servers in terms of completion as DMCA syncing takes sometime if you want good completion use Tweaknews(and don't go for XLned or one of its resellers like sunny as they follow DMCA) and Eweka as they both follow NTD.

> make that column

There is a better alternative.

For now, let's try to identify all the unique "backbones" that are part of the Highwinds network. For e.g., Eweka can be split in two:

• Eweka Internet Services USENET Backbone A (Eweka NL)
• Eweka Internet Services USENET Backbone B (Newshosting NL)

This identifies them separately without going into issues like real/virtual, retention, ntd/dmca etc. This things can be put in the notes for people who really want them.

follows NTD only on their local retention as Abavia follows DMCA

Tweaknews follows NTD but Base IP BV follows DMCA and both are owned by Highwinds.

Eweka follows NTD but Highwinds NL and DE/Newshosting NL and DE server follow DMCA.

Elbracht is the only one left which follows NTD but German NTD laws are even idiotic than DMCA.

I didn't checked the headers as I don't know much about posting but yeah I did compared to Newsguy US,Newshosting US,Eweka NL,Base IP BV and HWNG DE and only Novia US,B and Eweka NL had the articles.

About retention I did dl a 3000 days old NZB.

Also I have tested Newcene they have their own retention articles that were not available on Newshosting were on Newscene so it should be included among Highwinds as a backbone with retention increasing from Aug 2008(I tested their retention too), another thing this table is simply redundant it should be merged with reseller table and just ticked as provider owned like Xlned etc.

Since its beginning, Surfshark always seemed to me too much similar with NordVPN for me to trust it, considering I already didn’t trust the last. My suspicions were mostly based on the similarities between the business model of both. Curiously, this came to life around 4 days ago:

Read this then, updated in 25 March 2019
https://www.ovh.com/ca/en/support/termsofservice/Special_conditions_for_dedicated_server.pdf

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"Given that the network resources provided to the Customer are shared, the Customer undertakes not to use the Service in a manner detrimental to OVH’s other customers. It undertakes in particular not to use in an intensive manner the public bandwidth of which it has the use. In such a case, OVH reserves the right to apply limitations to this bandwidth, as indicated on the OVH website. The Customer may, if it so wishes, subscribe to additional bandwidth options for the purpose of having unrestricted use of a guaranteed public bandwidth. "

> ProtonVPN

As long as it is recommenced by those two sites, it is something I would consider if I was looking for a VPN service.

But I find that Tor Browser is more than enough for simple surfing. And Whonix.*

* to conserve bandwidth and protect exit nodes from needless MAFIAA harassment, not for any security reasons.

> Does anybody know of an actual good VPN it doesn't actually store logs or pretend that they protect your privacy?

This is unknowable.

PrivacyGuides recommends ProtonVPN, IVPN and Mullvad.

Freedom of the Press Foundation recommends TunnelBear and VyprVPN in addition to the three above.

You are on a usenet sub. A lot of providers bundle vpn connections. Greg's properties often bundle SlickVPN and CubeNet offers OctaneVPN.

But always keep in mind that we will never know for sure if and when any of them maintain logs. It's only a question of how much you trust each of the above.

I think you have valid questions. Keep in mind that both NewsDemon and NewsgroupDirect were already wholly or partially owned by me to begin with. I happened to either directly control or have tangential control over a lot of the Omicron resellers. I helped a lot of people start or grow their businesses over the years. It is a small community. My business partner at UsenetExpress is the original founder of Newshosting.

I agree, we need more than two backbones. This is why I am not trying to run Farm and Viper out of the market. I have publicly encouraged people to use those services as well as my service and even the Omicron service. The more providers we have, the better off we are. I have done more work towards promoting the smaller providers since they need much more help to get to where Omicron is already. Omicron doesn't need my help promoting. They are everywhere already. If anything, I wonder when enough is enough if you are Omicron, how much do you need to feel satisfied? But that is not my place to decide. I respect their team.

The folks at Giganews/Supernews are investing in their infrastructure currently. I do not have a say in how they manage their business so I can't say how long that will continue but I think its going to continue for quite some time.

Adding Supernews to NGD provides the community with an opportunity to get two really good services, at once, for a reasonable price. It also helps bring together two services that have never publicly worked together before.

No idea. Finding reputable VPN providers is very difficult. I'd stick to recommendations of people who know what they are doing:

• https://freedom.press/training/choosing-a-vpn/

What is noteworthy is that Giganews-controlled VyprVPN is on both lists.

u/newshosting_usenet Thank you so much for your help. I was having a really hard time finding a recent US based television show. I emailed Newshosting support and one of your support team was able to help me locate an nzb for that show and then help me download the entire season.
You guys are awesome!

I am not new to usenet. This is not how all usenet providers work. I took five minutes to look through some popular usenet sites. I am not saying these sites do not offer long term account. I am saying these sites are up front and honest about what you are getting without trying to trick the users into purchasing something at a lower price.

This is a list of usenet sites that advertise responsibly:

• Giganews
• Supernews
• Thundernews
• Newsgroupdirect
• Frugalusenet
• Newsdemon
• Usenetexpress
• thecubenet
• Usenetprime

Here is a list of sites that advertise deceptively:

• Newshosting
• Usenetserver
• Usenext
• Astraweb
• Tweaknews
• Eweka
• Newsgroup Ninja

The interesting thing is on Astraweb site it says the governing law is of Iceland and not State of Florida same as Ninja whereas its not the case with other brands like Newshosting not sure what law will be followed.

The only reason I can think of is they are using Newshosting which is DMCA compliant so for now they are using same for their local retention but instead of deleting it they are just making it unavailable for now till they officially go live.

> Judging by how it ended up with NGD, one would think it will be the same route for Newsdemon.

That’s partly the reason for my asking. I’m wondering if I should keep my Newshosting subscription going even though I already have Newsdemon (same backbone). I got the $20/year Newshosting deal last year and an even better price with ND, but I guess no one really knows what’s going to happen.

Usenet farm is pretty good I would say its even better than Tweaknews and as for routing consolidation Omicron has actually created a new AS34343 and all AMS traffic is using this new network UsenetServer doesn’t really control anything its actually Newshosting who manages US servers and interesting thing is Omicron is actually routing their US traffic with old Base IP.

Tweaknews might have access to full retention its just that they might not be marketing it.

Ok, thanks that explains the hybrid part. Interesting.

Now that Tweaknews even have consolidated routing with Newshosting, it would seem the lines are even more blurred, when it comes to the being an independent backbone of their own. It also puzzles me with their very specific retention time of 3400 days, why not the full Newshosting one 4200+, when they apparently backfil from them anyway, above their own unknown cached retention.

In other words, I should really have stayed with my Eweka sub, as they seem to be the only real NTD provider left with a fully operational and independant backbone of their own, with unbeatable retention under the Omicron umbrella.

The "personal" crazy part about all this, which I am not proud of, is that it has basically become an obsession, that I left Eweka, so I am trying to get positively confirmed in my decision with going with Tweaknews, which apparently was a mistake.

> am not sure how much retention the two Amsterdam server farms really have.

Thing is, so much can be done with the right combination of software + caching that it is quite possible that Eweka and Newshosting could simply be two different configurations operating from the same backend at this point.

For my particular use case I really like SlickVPN and think its great as a free addon.

I'm not sure if I'd be breaking this sub's rules by saying exactly how I use it, hopefully if I say there are certain Linux iso's not available where I live but SlickVPN gives me access to them I will be ok.

Its speed is more than good enough for me, even connecting to servers several thousand miles away I get more than enough bandwidth for my needs.

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The client isn't the greatest but its functional and mobile apps are needed for it to be really taken seriously however there are ways to share it without too much hassle to devices that do not have a client or app for it.

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Perhaps u/greglyda can also confirm that the Vital Connect VPN that comes with Usenet Express is the same service with a slightly different client?

Been using Privado for a little over a month on two boxes. I can attest it is much slower than without a VPN. Privado is included in my usenet server subscription.

Also, I am trying it on two machines and one of them routinely fails to connect.

I have used BTGuard for years onone machine for torrents, it is a SOCKS5 proxy. I started using Privado recently as a potential alternative to the BTGuard service but found it a bit flaky and with no kill switch.

Is it safe to say that a reliable VPN is a viable replacement for BTGuard SOCKS5 proxy service?

Tweaknews most probably is backfilling from Newshosting too they are NTD only for their own local retention which is unknown.

Both NGD and Usenetexpress local and cache retention are also unknown.

So you might be able to get older articles which are DMCAed from Newshosting from UsenetExpress and NGD if they have it in their cache retention but they will not be on Tweaknews though you can try Eweka they are the only true NTD provider for older stuff and there is Farm too who also have a good cache retention(500 days though local retention is only 75 days) and follow NTD.

I would get this if they had a reasonable independent retention. Any info on them retention-wise?

Also, what's the difference content-wise between Tweaknews and them? Would it be worth it if you already have a Tweaknews block? Considering NGD spools from UsenetExpress, which spools from Newshosting, which is Omicron (DMCA). Tweaknews is Omicron but NTD.

I did the same as you. While I like the idea of supporting independents, I don't automate everything and I occasionally grab old binaries (1200+ days old) that would not be available on independents like UsenetExpress. If I went with an independent, I would still need an Omicron company (Eweka, Tweak, Newshosting) for my fill, so why not go with Newshosting to begin with other than the charity reason?.

I am concerned about Omicron undercutting their resellers and forcing them out like we are seeing with NewsGroupDirect. Strictly from a consumer's perspective, that makes the Newshosting deal all that much better because not only is it super cheap, but also Newshosting is a tier 1 provider of highwinds which means they would not be subject to the issue of expiring contracts like NewsGroupDirect now or possibly other resellers in the future.

I'm still kicking around the idea of getting a UsenetExpress subscription (I don't feel like buying a block account would help them that much), but I'm still not sure it would add much value over my Newshosting account given the shorter retention.

> No testing for Tweaknews or Xlned?

I don't see the point. A) They are Highwinds providers. B) The only figures you may get out of it would be retention comparison beyond 2000 days with other Highwinds backbones.

> And what about Newshosting US/Eweka DE?

Again, don't see the point. The retention is going to be the same 3700+ days on most Highwinds backbones.

It's a different matter if you want to compare DMCA/NTD response, but that is difficult to do with randomized sampling as any differences will get lost in the noise. If you look at the three runs for each provider, you will see minor (and sometimes major) differences. This is due to different responses at different times. An article that failed in R1 sometimes appears again in R2. And vice versa. So, determining if the article failed due to takedowns or due to abnormal behavior on the part of the server would be a difficult task.

> Giganews/Supernews US and NL

No. This is about Highwinds and any possible connections to other backbones as all clues point to it.

> Also Xenna is useless now won't waste time on them.

Xenna is in a very interesting position compared to other Abavia resellers. I suspect that Xenna accurately reflects Abavia's own retention and that any additional retention visible on Bulk etc but not visible on Xenna is coming from somewhere else. But I need to analyze the data further before I can confirm it.

Ninja doesn't follow anything they don't control backbone or takedowns they resell Newshosting who follows DMCA btw its a waste of money if you are using Ninja or any other Newshosting reseller as Eweka already gives you NL and DE servers with NTD(Notice and Takedown) whereas Newshosting follows DMCA for same NL and DE servers apart from one pro they also have US servers also just FYI Ninja doesn't have access to full Newshosting retention which is 3600+ days and ninja is limited to 3200 days maybe even less.

They removed references after updating their website they are atleast pointing out their own local retention of 1 year and than using hybrid approach like Express and Farm but they are using Newshosting/HW Media.

>Nope. And you know the reason/history.

Peep make mistakes why promote UE/ND,NGD and Thundernews than.

>Hybrid providers are not a solution.

Yes it is you can't straight up compete with Omicron even Giganews is dying slow death hybrid providers are also increasing their retention day by day.

>if and when Abavia gets acquired, the hybrid model is probably dead.

UE is also using Omicron/Newshosting there are instances when you can dl 3000 days old articles so no it won't

XLned and Tweak share same backbone but their takedown procedures are different and Tweak doesn't manage XLned servers as you can see in top1000 you can still see both XLned and Tweaknews if you check out their terms Tweaknews doesn't have any reseller related terms while XLned has(Sunny and Pure also managed by EIS mng) and also during several test there were articles that weren't on XLned were on Tweaknews same for Highwinds/Newshosting NL server and Eweka NL server there is a clear distinction based on the legal courts they are answerable to.

Regarding IPaddress we can skip hybrid providers one but I think we should atleast provide for Highwinds owned providers/resllers like Eweka,Easynews and XLned/Pureusenet.

> what about difference between Eweka and Newshosting NL

There might be a business case for a single organization running multiple, independent, multi-petabyte, and often redundant, installations on a single continent:

• Eweka
• HWNG DE
• Tweaknews
• Base IP
• Newshosting NL

However, [I don't know what it is](/r/UsenetTalk/comments/656rv5/base_iptweaknews_vs_hwng_de/).

The only thing that makes sense is some kind of caching system similar to those adopted by UF/UE/Newsoo. That allows for differences in article availability for recent articles while serving all old articles from a single backend.

> XLned ... pureusenet

Look at their terms and conditions, disclaimers etc. They are all over the place. The pdf files still refer to Verda and Curacao.

Like I said, let's wait.

And what about difference between Eweka and Newshosting NL its all due to takedown difference same difference as XLned and Tweak the reason am saying XLned follows DMCA is because their holding company is incorporated in US(even while paying the money goes to EIS mng inc) while Tweaks in NL(while paying money goes to Tweaknews BV) also XLned reseller pureusenet DMCA abuse mail address has literally dmca in it dmca[at] and they don't have any NTD or DMCA form which shows its indeed handled by XLned.

Its not a caching system atleast not for Highwinds US,Eweka or Tweaknews themselves its as simple as this whatever servers comes under Highwinds US eg Newshosting/USN/Easynews DMCA is followed even on Highwinds NL and Highwinds DE systems but sometimes articles are available as DMCA sync takes time from US servers to NL and DE servers that come under Eweka(both NL and DE can be accessed but only via Eweka acc) follow Dutch NTD same for XLned and Tweaknews because I did a test and downloaded a two year old rls and it was only available on Eweka own NL and DE servers and not on Highwinds NL and DE servers.

> peep will keep getting confused.

I am not against the column, but I don't see how that will reduce any confusion.

You might put NTD in front of Eweka and DMCA in front of Newshosting and its resellers. But the ips will still be referred to as accessing the "Eweka Internet Services USENET Backbone NL," because they are.

Twekanews follows NTD as opposed to Base IP BV which follows DMCA Eweka also follows NTD as opposed to Highwinds NL/Newshosting which follows DMCA also fyi Eweka ASN12989 are completely different from one another as both have their own networks and serverfarms the only thing that is common is both are owned by Highwinds.

Is it possible that Highwinds has five independent storage farms dedicated to usenet:

• US - 1 (Newshosting)
• NL - 3 (Eweka, Base IP, Tweak)
• DE - 1 (Newshosting)

Sure. It would be a net positive as far as users are concerned.

Is it probable? No.

My theory is that there are only two real backbones: in the US and NL/DE. Just like Giganews and Astraweb. These minor differences in retention, availability etc might be artifacts of some transparent caching mechanism that we are not aware of.

Another possibility is that each of the acquired entities has a little bit of its own storage (like UsenetExpress/UsenetFarm) while archival storage is provided by Eweka and Newshosting. This might account for differences in availability of recent articles.

> difference ... in the articles of aviation group.

I think this would apply to almost every single group.

1. Astraweb, Newshosting and Eweka have the highest retention of them all: 3000+ days. We can now add Newscene to this list.

2. Base IP/Tweaknews is next at around 2500 days.

3. Giganews/Supernews is next at around 1700 days (I am unable to find articles older than June 2012 on Supernews).

4. XS News is 1200-1700 days.

5. United Newsserver/Elbracht: 600 days

6. UsenetFarm, UsenetExpress etc: about 15-30 days

7. Altopia: 10+ days

Can you do:

GROUP alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

for various backbones and paste the 211 response?

211 number low high group

Some examples:

• Astraweb (Source)

  211 152998 299431 452428 alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

• Highwinds (Newshosting US, Filtered)

  211 162868 15239 178106 alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

• Highwinds (Eweka NL, Filtered)

  211 162814 15293 178106 alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

• Highwinds (HWNG DE, Filtered)

  211 162814 15293 178106 alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

• Highwinds (Tweak, Source)

  211 127010 51097 178106 alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

• Supernews (Source)

  211 115333 508118 623450 alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

• UsenetFarm (Source)

  211 101028 1 101029 alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

• Xenna News (Source)

  211 101028 1 101029 alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

• XS News (Filtered)

  211 101028 1 101029 alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

So

HEAD 299431

on Astraweb will give you the earliest article for which headers are still available.

> exact same network routing

Depends on the destination.

Be that as it may, the question is: what constitutes a backbone? If we define it as usenet infrastructure that has independent storage pools plus independent routing, then we have the following situation:

For newscene using 2008 article

Path: !not-for-mail From: Glen in Orlando <> Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.aviation Subject: C-130 Taxiing @ Sun N Fun 2010 - C-130 Sun N fun 2010 (Custom).jpg (0/1) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: <> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Organization: - Highest quality at a great price! NNTP-Posting-Host: 97.102.150.122 X-Complaints-To:

For Newsguy using XSnews article

Path: !!not-for-mail From: "Bob (not my real pseudonym)" <> Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.aviation Subject: Re: Paintjobs 3 - Apache 4.jpg (1/1) Message-ID: <> References: <> User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 2 X-Complaints-To: Organization: Easynews - Bytes: 743 X-Complaints-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers otherwise wewill be unable to process your complaint properly. Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:57:48 -0800 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3841595382 X-Received-Bytes: 945

> Newshosting

The Sep 2008 article id:

<>

already exists on Newshosting.

> how to verify

Four steps:

telnet $SERVER 119

AUTHINFO USER $USER

AUTHINFO PASS $PASSWORD

HEAD $ARTICLEID

So, if

HEAD <>

works on Newscene, that would mean that Newscene retention for the alt.binaries.pictures.aviation newsgroup goes back to Sep 2008.

if not, try the next article id (Feb 2009). And so on.

> it should be included among Highwinds as a backbone

I haven't been able to verify that Newscene/Novia is actually owned by Highwinds.

• (pdf still has a Novia rep registered as their DMCA agent.

• Their nntp server () displays the following welcome message:

  > 200 Premium-News, http:\//www\ (posting ok)

> I have tested Newcene they have their own retention articles that were not available on Newshosting

Did you compare against all three Highwinds backbones (US, DE, NL)? What does the path header for a random article look like?

> retention increasing from Aug 2008(I tested their retention too)

I seriously wonder if it is their own retention. Reasons:

• They stopped accepting customers a long time back. Own retention going back 3000 days should logically make them a big player in the market.
• Their only reseller is Premium News with expensive plans and an old, weird website.

One possibility is that Newscene has a tiny bit of its own retention and some arrangement with Highwinds, and the platform is being maintained to service Premium News customers.

> simply redundant it should be merged with reseller table

I want to maintain the separation between true providers and resellers because their business practices and access to usenet infrastructure are not really comparable.

Let me think about it.

Newshosting tracert:

Newsguy tracert:

I think you should include Newsguy since Newscene is also there since they are both costly and as you can see from reverse trace they have entirely different system though both use Highwinds as network backbone but have different retention too.

You can update Newshosting and Usenetserver server addresses see this no need to use general address.

And for premiumnews

Maybe its automatic geo-dns resolution for NL and DE server whichever it gets resolved to for I-telligent,newsxs and other Xenna resellers like its with Newshosting and Giganews its allright about XSusenet but I think Xenna should also be added apart from Eweka.

If I were to add it to the list (which I won't; too costly), it would be under HWNG US.

However, based on routing, I suspect both Newshosting and HWNG US are located at the same farm. So, while the routing might be different, the underlying storage pools are almost certainly the same.

> Newshosting and Giganews

I can bypass all the geo bullshit by manually configuring the servers in nzbget.

If you're able to find permanent NL + DE servers for newsxs and i-telligent, provide the urls and I'll add them to the MAP.

> I think Xenna should also be added apart from Eweka.

Added where? And as what?

Thanks for that post but what about Newsguy they have even revamped their site also can you please update map with correct info as Premiumnews is reselling Novia/newscene now and Newshosting/UNS have access to HWNG DE too also remove Giganews HK its dead.

As of now am only able to find for Newsxs and XSusenet

Newsxs Xenna NL ip:91.223.220.11

Newsxs Xenna DE ip:91.234.215.191

XSusenet Eweka NL ip:81.171.92.188

XSusenet Xenna DE ip:91.234.215.205

Also Newshosting/UNS exact canonical addresses are

(US)

(NL)

(DE)

> Newshosting/UNS exact canonical addresses

I have these documented privately. But I'd prefer to use the simpler forms (.us/-us etc) in usenet readers and downloaders.

> XSusenet Xenna DE

Unless XSusenet provides some kind of publicly resolved name for the IP address, I'd consider this to be something private between the parties.

Newscene is still functional though used by premiumnews now as they resell novia now instead of Readnews

(205.153.76.35)

Also you can still find novia in top1000 instead of newscene but according to some of traceroutes I think there is no difference between novia and Newshosting being in same dc though novia do follow some additional hoops and different ip blocks.

Newshosting and USN have access to HWNG DE too, Giganews HK usenet server access is dead no mention of Newsguy or Xennanews also premiumnews is not using Readnews anymore instead they are using Novia.

Seems like hitnews has its own feeds as displayed on top1000 you may include it also and

Present Readnews backbone users:

Premium (Point to be noted here is they resell from elbracht() also so there are reseller with two backbones contrary to your theory of newsoo)

Present HWNG(US) and Newshosting(NL) backbone users:

Newshosting(NL):Secretusenet(74.209.132.136/137)

HWNG(US):Secretusenet(205.185.213.70/71)

Though am bit skeptical how many days will it survive as I am seeing a trend here when Frugal was moved from Readnews to HWNG and now finally to Newshosting.