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>Now, this does weaken my argument for "+anthropos", but I would still defer to history, pre-mrm, for the definition of such words.

Misandry dates back to 1946. At least according to this.

Tell me, when did the men's right movement start?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropos

The word has many definitions. But the meaning of Anthropos isn't even that important - we need to focus on definition of Anthropos that was used to define "Misanthrope."

Misanthrope is not defined as the hatred of males. It just isn't.

"one who hates mankind," 1560s, from Gk. misanthropos "hating mankind," from misein "to hate" + anthropos "man" (see anthropo-). Alternative form misanthropist is attested from 1650s.

That definitions goes back to what, the 1560s? Way before gender theory, feminism, etc. I'm sorry but the word has clearly been defined for at least 400+ years. You don't get to make shit up just because you are a super dumb Internet troll. Would you like to try again:

"What word would you use to describe the hatred or intentional discrimination against MALES?"

I checked through the thread that completed the survey.

While hosting it externally won't prohibit responses from external users of ASRS, it will reduce the 'noise' from upvote/downvote ratios that reddit produces.

But, despite those risks, I thought I'd take a crack at it anyway.

I relied mostly on questions derived from the bank of demographic questions that are 'certified', meaning that they did some background work on the construction of the question in order to minimize the potential for error or bias.

One exception is the question of gender. The certified question only provides two possible responses. I added genderfluid responses, but to my knowledge, no 'official' demographic surveys have been produced on genderfluid responses, so I cannot crosscheck the validity of these responses, for example, against a WHO Health Questionnaire. The other exceptions are the two questions of mental disorders (technically autism is a medical disorder, but it can fall under PDD).

Finally, I randomized the order in which the question responses will be shown, and introduced forced completion of most questions, with the exception of income, food stamps and Medicare eligibility.

<strong>ASRS SURVEY 2012</strong>

Obligitory &quot;Your are believing one incredible unsubstantiated account from an anonymous blogger instead of the owner of the club&quot;

The crux of this argument is whether or not something can be neither consistent nor inconsistent. Here are plenty more examples. Before you write this off as an "appeal to authority," consider that legal proceedings and court documents must be exact in their adherence to clarity and truth. Further, consider that any semantic argument can be written off (disingenuously) as an "appeal to the people" due to the fact that definitions are based on corpus lexicography.

>what false assumption goes into it?

The assumption that being better is at all relevant to the notion of a patriarchy.

> I mean... seriously, we should save this thread somehow, you know?

Easy 'nuff. Here's an imgur link. Unfortunately imgur likes to downsample big images - here's a link on a less reputable site that results in a higher quality pic. The file's saved and I can rehost it as desired.

If they can say this much about a silly survey I put together in five minutes when I should have been debugging, I can't wait to see what they say about the far-more-legitimate one that we have running now!

Cast your eyes over to the sidebar, and, if you have not already, fill in the

ASRS OFFICIAL SURVEY 2012 -------------------------------------->

(or just click here)

Any other party? The onus should be on the mom to look for the real father. If she fails to do so then it's her own fault that she has to work extra hard to take of the child.

Also look at how the system can be abused to siphon money out from the father.

Here's the court document of that case. It gets more and more ridiculous as you read on.

You still think the family courts can be trusted with deciding the welfare of the child? 8k a month to maintain the child's well being?

nubile adj (of a girl or woman) 1. ready or suitable for marriage by virtue of age or maturity 2. sexually attractive

So this literally refers to young people that are sexually mature. PEDOPHILIA!!!

SRS' war on the dictionary continues....

BTW, found the link: http://www.buzzfeed.com/amyodell/comedy-club-owner-says-daniel-tosh-incident-has-be?s=mobile

If this one is true (I have no reason to believe it isn't) then he was really just making fun of the guy who yelled out rape.

That's pretty interesting. Source

>Possibly from Old English derogatory term bæddel and its dim. bædling "effeminate man, hermaphrodite, pederast," probably related to bædan "to defile." A rare word before 1400, and evil was more common in this sense until c.1700. Meaning "uncomfortable, sorry" is 1839, American English colloquial.

Gay parenting, for one. The effects have yet to be seen since the issue isn't settled yet.

Do your own research. I've filled this thread with plenty of links to sociological research that has the potential to make a difference. And that's ignoring all the research that isn't being done on sexism or racism.

Even if this research does not make a difference, it's quite odd to hold that a field is useless just because people outside the field have not taken its results and conclusions to heart. How much responsibility do sociologists have to ensure that they are taken seriously by people who have a prior commitment not to take them seriously?

Edit: it appears freenode has blocked Tor on webchat. Will have to find another way.

If one is worried about doxing, I might also suggest using Tor and using webchat freenode. This is easy to set up. Also, /r/tor.

Nietzsche fell victim to this too. Poor nihilism.

"The best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt on any style. He kicks too good for a Boxer, throws too good for a Karate man, and punches too good for a Judo man." - Bruce Lee

It might be odd to push Bruce Lee onto other people as a philosopher but if you're one of those people who can readily recognize "the gray area" I think you'll like him. He improved my life a lot and taught me something incredibly simple yet profound: everything is useful in some way; you should take and learn the part that is useful to you and throw away what is not. Granted he was talking about not overspecializing in any one martial art but I've found the idea has filtered through my life in that Sun Tzu "The Art of War" sort of way.

He is very much so about always being a student. I think the issue you described comes from forgetting the first, most basic step to discovering new knowledge: recognizing and accepting one's own ignorance. I think we all forget we know very little at one point or another.

I'm not sure I buy the "lack of intelligence is bad" thing, especially given how poorly operationalized intelligence is.

Also, some fun history, "retard" actually means to slow or to delay/impede. It comes from the word "retarder" and "retardare." You can see the entry in the only etymology dictionary:

retardation

>early 15c., "fact or action of making slower in movement or time," from L. retardationem, from retardare "to make slow, delay, keep back, hinder," from re-, intensive prefix, + tardare "to slow" (see tardy).

You still see the Italian word "Ritardando" in music. Which is a musical marker on sheet music that indicates a part of the song that is going to slow down (AKA look up at the conductor).

It should be noted that there's been some suggestion that Machiavelli was being sarcastic.

In case you weren't aware.

>Likewise, I've noticed that people who are talented, like, really talented in CS are never unemployed. I have to poach them from other companies, or catch them through a network of knowledge. That's what I meant by hard... the supply is not enough for the demand, once you learn to set your demand for "nothing less than excellent" anyway.

http://codepad.org/4rquhM3M

This is what our field churns out. Behold its horror.

Man I haven't read The Art of War since college. I can't even remember what it said about espionage.

And it's true, a range does exist on the fence but as I said no one likes to be manipulated and showing how the other side is doing just that adds weight to your facts that might be ignored by those on the scale farthest away from you. The ability to get them thinking about your points is worth more than just convincing them where they don't think on the subject at all.

Regards manipulation, SRS-specific, it looks like you're moving in the direction of the necessity of espionage as argued in The Art of War.

Regards the fence trichotomy, I do not think it holds under closer inspection: I would argue that there is a spectrum of opinion, ranging from hardliners to moderates, and the line drawn of "fence" is actually contingent on the strength of ones' facts and analyses - where strength is taken principally to mean pertinence and logical rigor.

You're still misunderstanding.

1. A sudden or capricious idea; a fancy.<br> 2. <strong>Arbitrary thought or impulse</strong>: governed by whim.

Whims have nothing to do with accountability. Something you do on a whim is something you do for little or no reason.

If you're going to reduce language definitions to something of mathematical precision then you don't understand how language works. Saying that everything has a reason is missing the point.

the 40/60 statistic is useful when talking about women in general, but there are a lot of conditionals that go into that number

for one, "saying no but meaning yes" is different than "saying no but meaning possibly yes and not knowing for sure." i guarantee you the latter is more realistic, because of the introspection illusion. saying no but meaning yes is deliberate manipulation and it's understandable that not many girls would admit to that

saying no but meaning "possibly, if..." (e.g. "no, but possibly, if you're a good kisser") however, leaves the possibility that you could mean yes but could mean no as well at the time you're saying "no."

if someone uses "no means possibly yes" instead of "no means yes", they could have never actually said yes but allowed for the possibility of yes and classed all incidences of "no meant possibly yes but you failed" as "no mean no"

all of this will just take place in the fuzziness of your gut btw, i don't expect anyone to be this conscious in their yes/no reasoning

so that's reason #1

reason #2 is a lot simpler.

610 female undergraduates volunteering for a study are a very different demographic than 610 female nightclub attendees.

someone who is more familiar with dating culture, which is the culture of nightclubs, will be more likely to use courtship techniques like "playing-hard-to-get"

this works the other way as well

if you're polling 610 psych majors instead of just 610 undergrads, you might get a number that indicates even less token resistance

relevant source: Dunn et al. &quot;Introspection, attitude change, and attitude-behavior consistency&quot; 1989

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=hysterical

get learned ignoramus

Using a word that mean "of the womb" to mean excessively, uncontrollably emotional isn't misognynist at all SOB OH HALP IM JUST A WOMUN SOB I CANT CONTROL MAH FEELINGS SOMEONE GET A MAN TO HELP ME CALM DOWWWWN SO I CAN GIT BACK TO COOKIN' AND CLEANIN' AND INCUBATIN' BABIES SNIFFLE

Compare the demographics of <strong>SA</strong> with those of <strong>reddit</strong>.

Reddit has about as many women and minorities as the internet overall, and all age groups above 18 are represented pretty proportionally, whereas SA has far fewer women relative to the rest of the internet, and mostly 18-24 year olds. SA also has far fewer black people than the internet average.

The only thing where reddit is different from average: a lot more redditors than internet users in general make $150k+ per year.

tl;dr: SA are male, poor college nerds. Reddit are people from all backgrounds and ages, the only thing unusual about redditors is that there are a lot of high earners.

But if we take this concept further, that giving things away for free is always morally wrong, we only arrive at an even further capitalist society; think Objectivism.

Charity is wrong, and if you're trying to argue for redistribution from inheritors to non-inheritors, well that is clearly in the wrong too. You're simply changing the direction of the inheritance.

Milton Friedman had an excellent passage on inheritance in "Capitalism and Freedom":

A parent who has wealth that he wishes to pass on to his child can do so in different ways. He can use a given sum of money to finance his child's training, as say, a certified public accountant. Or to set him up in business. Or to set up a trust fund yielding him a property income. In any of these cases the child would have a higher expected income than he otherwise would. But in the first case his income would be regarded as coming from human capacity. In the second, from profits. In the third, from inherited wealth.

Is there any basis for distinguishing among these receipts on ethical grounds? Finally, it seems illogical to say that a man is entitled to what he has produced by personal capacities, or to the produce of the wealth he has accumulated, but that he is not entitled to pass any wealth onto his children. To say that a man may use his income for riotous living, but may not give it to his heirs. Surely the latter is one way to use what he has produced.