I'm puttering around with a Memrise course for Gregg Notehand if anyone is interested in taking a look. I'm not sure if it would be useful at all, but there you have it.
A few of us use Anki. I spent some intensive time studying Pitman, and some less intensive but still substantive time with Teeline, but I’ve pretty much forgotten them. Vs Gregg that I’ve been slowly ticking along on using Anki, with a two-year gap in the middle - but without forgetting and having to backtrack. So, would recommend!
Is it really that rare? I didn’t seem to have any trouble finding it for around $20 online, or did I find the completely different wrong book lol?
https://www.amazon.com/Student-Transcript-Shorthand-Colleges-Diamond/dp/B000OBFPR8
I don't know the answer to your question, but perhaps you might consider looking at Stenographie Gregg - A student's blog to get an idea of what French Gregg might look like. I can see that they retained the Gregg brief form for "government" (g-v) as the brief for "gouvernement" which honestly seems reasonable to me, but I am not a French speaker.
The manual that was used for this blog is this title: http://www.worldcat.org/title/stenographie-gregg/oclc/3258386 and the one thing to be careful of is that there are apparently at least two adaptations of Gregg to French (potentially three) and that this adaptation was done by R.J. Senecal. From /u/journalizing's link I see that Sister Marie Ernestine also did an adaptation which is considered by the owner of that site to be less well-executed than Senecal's version.
If you have an Amazon account, you can log into it, go to the page for the Simplified Second Edition manual, and use the "look inside" feature to preview some random pages.
https://www.amazon.com/GREGG-Shorthand-Manual-Simplified/dp/0070245487/
1/4th speed live transscript, in Stiefografie Aufbauschrift II
I wanted to transscribe some real-world material, and chose the German daily national TV news „Tagesschau“. I used an addon to decrease the speed to 0.25x, and transscribed the video starting at 0:18 until 0:58 (when the speaker changes). I managed to complete my transscript within ~5s (realtime) of the video finish, after a few partial tries and consultations of my shorthand manual.
I'm still very much learning, so there may be quite a few errors. Recently I've started marking the beginning of each line with a 'BE', to mark the baseline, and, in unlined paper, the scale of the shorthand text.
Thanks, but that's not the manual that I'm using. Your book seems to be a modification of the Gurney system and not the official manual. Mine was originally published by W.B. Gurney & Sons, and explicitly says "eighteenth edition" on the cover. It is this one (I'm linking to Amazon since I can't seem to find it anywhere else) https://www.amazon.com/Textbook-Gurney-System-Shorthand/dp/1436754666.
They still exist and are produced. https://www.amazon.de/Faber-Castell-119800-Bleistift-Castell-H%C3%A4rtegrad/dp/B001IVN5B6
In the german Bundestag, they still use shorthand to keep track of the speeches, so these are the pencils they use.
Project Gutenberg has lots of great resources. If you intend to share, then Public Domain is the way to go ;)
Some examples:
East of the Sun and West of the Moon: Old Tales from the North by Asbjørnsen et al.
This is rather poorly written Taylor Shorthand.
It is a poem copied from a newspaper. It reads:
> Copied from a newspaper
>At a tavern one night,
>Messrs: More, Strange, and Wright.
>Met to drink and good thoughts to exchange
>Says More: "Of us three,
>The whole town will agree,
>There-is only one knave, and that's Strange."
>(?) replied Strange rather sore*
>A most terrible knave and a bite,
>Who cheated his father and sister and brother
>Oh yes replied More "that is Wright."
>Feb. 24th 1822
>* I'm sure there's one more
A literal transcription, where all vowel markers have been replaced by a capital "V", reads as follows: > cpd fm * nwsppr > > Vt V tvrn VnV nt msrs mr strng n rt mt tV drnk n gd thts tV (x?)chng ss mr of s 3 > th Vl twn wll VgrV trs Vn-ly VnV nv n thts [strcg] V rpld [strcg] rthr sr* V mst trbl nv n a bt > wV chtd s fthr n sstr n brthr V ys rpld mr tht s rt > > fbrV 24th 1822 > > *Vm sr thrs VnV mr
This poem appeared in The Jest Book, by Mark Lemon (1865).
I'm interested in this, but I'm having trouble actually finding out which books "Functional Method" refers to, and which style it's for (Simplified or DJS?), not that the latter really matters that much for me besides curiosity.
Is it [this one](https://smile.amazon.com/Gregg-Shorthand-Functional-Method-Book/dp/B000G3C5I6/), and if so, do you happen to know of an easier place to acquire them? Amazon seems to just have both parts for $40, which is a little steep for a couple of used books from the 30s or 40s.
Thank you for these resources. Carter's Briefhand manuals are rarely available, but the system is easily learned. I used the principles, made my own dictionary of 10,000 unique words, then used Autohotkey.com (FREE) to make my own expansion-autocorrect program to use as I type 200 wpm (handwrite 100 wpm). Carter's original program eventually morphed into *Personal Shorhand (*Carl W. Salser, C. Theo Yerian, and Mark R. Salser), and currently into EasyScript.
:D
3 Ganzstufen = 6 Halbstufen, das ist wie in der Musik, immer verwirrend. Ich mags ohne .5 lieber
Wochentageは: vielleicht kann man ein hochgestelltes G als „Tag“-Nachsilbe verwenden. Die 3 Wörter mit "ganz" als Nachsilbe dürfen Ausnahmen sein. Dann kann man auch schön z.B. schreiben "5(a)g" für „5 Tage“
Die "Halt" Schleife hab ich von dir, s. z.B. 30.10. Z.5 (Ich hatte bloß den Ansatzpunkt anders in Erinnerugn). Werde "ologie" in mein Repertoire aufnehmen
Für „kein“ hab ich die falsche Abkürzung verwendet
"be un" finde ich keine schwachstelle, muss man halt im spezialfall mal absetzen
R in i-Position steht für „immer“. "reg" ist gut genug.
Ja, die Wortliste ist extrem hilfreich. Ein Wörterbuchwiki fände ich sehr cool.
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For the "tsj" phoneme you just have to define how to write it once and for all. Before I learned Aufbauschrift used to write alphabetically "tj", e.g. "natjo" for „Nation“. The two letters blend together almost as one quick morpheme, similar to "ft". And it allows to use the large backwards J for very distinct outlines even when sloppy. Sometimes I would even drop the T. As an example "pajend" could mean „Patient“, "pazend" could mean „platzend“, and "patend" could mean „Patent“
I assumed the Aufbauschrift would define it somewhere, but I never found it. There is only "tion", which is written alphabetically as "t-ion". Full phonetic is obviously too long ("pazjend", 2 large letters), and there seems to be a distaste for using the Z when its alphabetically "ts" as in „bereits“. Writing the alphabetic T and dropping the J works, but leads to some ambiguities. Dropping the T is nice but unintuitive.
Spaced repetition system, AKA flashcards that don’t waste your time with the stuff you find easy. Has rich multimedia and automation support.
I sliced up all the images from the Gregg Anniversary manual at Angelfishy to quiz myself on all the examples and exercises. (At least, for the chapters I got through so far. One day, I’ll get back to it and finish the job.)
I'm not sure that I'll get to the stage where I can write in it comfortably. I will probably continue watching the Gabelsberger Noe videos because I just love watching people teaching shorthand, and I'm still interested to some extent with the system, but I may not do much more than refer to the Richter book here and there if I have any questions about the Italian instruction. Maybe I'll post something someday using whatever I've gleaned from G-N, but I'm going back to finishing the exercises from Simply Fast at least as of now.
What I meant by 'not compact' was the fact that the large letters reach so far above and below the normal writing line. If you write the word 'fit' for instance, that F and T combination is very long! I got over the shading problem by using a brush pen. They worked amazingly well to have a thin-to-thick line. But I had worked out a system where I wouldn't have to do any shading at all. If you're interested, I can show you what I was working on with some examples of what I mean. Here's a link to the brush pens I bought, and if you have any interest in using a system with shading, I'd highly recommend trying them out. They aren't as soft as some brush pens on the market that are truly like using a paint brush.
I can't imagine myself using Alpha Script for any real note taking. I will post with it once in a while just for fun, but that's about it. But I don't think Alpha Script is only a steppingstone, since it functions as well as any alphabetic shorthand would. Roy Tabor wrote a whole book on it as a stand-alone system (here's a link to the Alpha Script book on Amazon). But if someone did want to eventually learn a purely symbolic shorthand but wanted something more simple to start off with, Alpha Script would allow someone to do that.
If you like it, you should definitely obtain the book. The author gives rules for writing suffixes like -ing, -ingly, and some very quirky rules for omitting letters. Totally worth having the book if you're attracted to the system!
It's available as an Amazon Kindle book for $3
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Finger-ShortPen-Shorthand-Gesture/dp/1491036060/
$80 - bonkers! Amazon listing: Forkner Shorthand Second Edition
ETA: I paid $13.54 on 2018-03-29. Sold by Amazon for Better World Books.
I wonder if we’ve caused a pricing bubble. 😬
Also the dictionary files are directly compatible with my favorite dictionary app ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fr.jmmoriceau.wordtheme, great for conlanging as well), so I will definitely be trying it out, as it's super convenient to work with. Thank you once again for making it very accessible :)
I think that DryErase learning sheets available from Amazon is a better suited product for shorthand practice since it has lines suitable for writing.
There are many other dry erase office products to choose from.
I am not sure how it performs in practice - smearing and ghosting - but it is cheaper than 30 dollars and doesn't require an app ;)
I believe it is Anniversary, but I could be wrong. I bought a reproduction from 1916 from Amazon, here's the link if interested: https://www.amazon.com/Gregg-Shorthand-John-Robert/dp/1475218826/ref=asc_df_1475218826/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312168414377&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12914631029629291396&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032205&hvtargid=pla-569771061591&psc=1
Do parker ink work well with Noodler's Ahab? Is this pen good enough: https://www.amazon.in/Luxury-Brands-Noodlers-Fountain-15021/dp/B0065QZKMG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534101328&sr=8-1&keywords=noodler%27s+ahab
I bought a deck of blank playing cards (specifically these) and then put the shorthand stroke on one side and the translation on the back. Then I shuffle them (either way up), pick a card and remember what's on the other side.
I've been learning Pitman for a couple of weeks now. I thought it would be a fun thing to pick up over a weekend or two until I actually started learning and realised how complicated it is. I got the basic consonants down in a few hours, but the vowels and shorthand words are taking much longer, and the random hooks, halves and doubles are being ignored for the time being.
I just picked up a Stenoscript textbook (this one).
It's nearly identical to the later versions of Speedwriting, but without as many symbols added.