I use these lights. They are on a timer that gives them 14 hours of light a day, and they do pretty well under it. Haws are low light plants regardless, so I could probably get away with less but I have some others that need more light so they ALL get to "sun" bathe. Havent had any issues with them and this setup.
Limited-time deal: Monios-L T8 LED Grow Light 4FT, 252W(6×42W) Plant Grow Light Strips with Reflectors, Full Spectrum Sunlight Replacement with High PAR for Indoor Plant, 6-Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086BWPBHL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_KJF8MBCES791RVPSP9TK?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I bought these lights for my shelves. I’d say they’re 8” or so above my plants; some are a little light stressed, while (edit: some, not all) plants with more established roots don’t seem bothered.
Nope it’s 100% akadama all the way through. Little splash of Osmocote in each one and they’re good to go.
I recently switched over to these pots, the white ones I buy have been out of stock for months so I went with these. Not only can I fit 18 pots per 10x20 now instead of 10 but it’ll be hard to run out with a case of 100 lol.
For most of my lights, I use these to adjust height. Not sure if it will help in your case. This way I don't have to move shelves. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AUP1VTS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glc_fabc_5FN878RB9XWWZ43BSAED
Totally depends on the plant in question, some stay covered for a week some closer to a month. Seedlings are tricky, I always grow them on the shady side as they are a pain to recover when the get burnt.
Edit: added the letters to words I missed on the first go round.
I’ve had the cooperi under the light for 4ish months continuously now- my apartment gets lackluster light most of the year. I have them on a timer for about 10 hours of light a day, and the lights are just full spectrum LED grow lights that i got from amazon. i’ve had them for about a year now and they’re very good.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C68N7PC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabt1_2FAUFbJDDVGXT?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Ugh, root mealies are the worst! I used to really struggle with them. Now I put a little bit of Bonide Systemic Granules in every pot.
This is basically going to by my winter setup this year, and it will move from the balcony to just inside the door. I will add a second one of those LED strip lights and move the shelf to about 6'' away, give or take. I have tried similar setups in the past, and can never achieve sun coloration (stress colors) indoors under mostly artificial light.
Has anyone been able to do this? Is it only a matter of brightness? I also have an idea that the missing element could be UV light (since other succulents 'color up' as a means of protecting their selves from UV light damage). Would adding a strip of UV light such as these make any difference?
Thanks, it's a great resource. However, I'm in India. Found something similar to what you mentioned on Amazon.
Thanks! I'm in India. Will look for surfactant for plants. Maybe something like this.
I've thought about it too.
There are beer brewing hobbyists who use the spare fridge on a temp controller.
There are hobby-level wine cooling fridges for as little as around $200. Also I learned that many of these use Peltier effect cooling, which led me to articles about DIY cooling fridges using units like this one. (Not an endorsement, just an example of what's out there.
> very limited and very specific set of fungi that form endophytic relationships with plants
^ mycorrhizae being one of them: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Effect-of-Arbuscular-Mycorrhizal-Colonization-on-of-L.-Tawaraya/421e9ae3c1ed4f729a5fb839dbea636549bfea1c#paper-header
Hoping to! I have an Amazon link to the lights as well. I am adding more to the pile right now actually and was going to update my list. I'm giving up on several types they just hate me lol.
I think I may have mites due to the raised diagonal ridges/deformities on some of my haworthias. Is there an effective nontoxic way to treat them since I keep them indoors? Would an insecticide soap like this one work? : https://www.amazon.com/Garden-Safe-Insecticidal-Insect-Killer/dp/B000BWY6K2
Thanks! I have all my lighting listed in the Indoor Lighting link in the sidebar but here’s the one in this specific photo.
When I bought this 4-pack they were $49, I have no idea why the price is so high now.
I've bought both. I love these lights and got the others because the price jumped for some reason.
Set up depends on what you need. Look into getting a shelf and a light that will be able to cover each row. For example, I have a metal shelf that is short of 2 feet wide. For each row, I have a hanging plant light that is 2 feet wide. They stick out a little bit it's not an issue. They seem to be working fine and my succulents have a pretty stressed color. I also bought trays to line the shelves too because watering will get messy.
Lights I'm currently using for these shelves: Durolux DL822N T5 HO 2Ft 2 Fluorescent Lamps Grow Lighting System with 5000 Lumens and 6500K Full Spectrum and Low Profile 7" Wide Reflector https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0721TG86M/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_RG1X0R8990NX7ZR722MN
Look for "adjustable shelves" on Amazon if you want some options.
Have fun!
I use these, and they seem to work alright. There seems to be a fine-window between over-stressing the plants and etiolating them, so I'm still adjusting to try and figure out the best distance.
I keep my little cluster of haws on my coffee table under one of these in a desk lamp. It’s enough to stress them if they’re too close. They’re so easy. Nothing like my delosperma upstairs etiolating under a million lumens, lol.
2.5 inch Square Greenhouse Pots - Black - Plastic - Deep - Case of 800 by Growers Solution https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01K8GNLLK/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_1K0S756ES60PTP6B5JGT?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Don't know why the price is so high right now. I use their 3.5" also, and I print my own for larger.
I don't know about international shipping, I'll take a look later.
They're not square, but the same brand carries round tall pots in 5 and 6 inch versions. I'm using the 3.5 inch pot now for mine and they're nice and sturdy.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SHQRP8R/ref=dp_iou_view_item?ie=UTF8&psc=1&th=1#
> The amount of light in the picture, if not under LEDs, looks like the amount your Haworthia would prefer. When I see mine getting darker, I move them away from being directly under or near the lights and within a few days, if they did not turn real dark, will start turning greener again.
This is actually night time when my main lights were off. Just my LED strip bias lighting from behind the monitor. There is this bright AF light about 3' to the left that comes on so it will be brighter, but not directly under it.
Thanks for the dormancy information. I generally water for about 1 minute from the top slowly until the pot starts to overflow slightly and then I do it once more on the other side to ensure it's fully throughout, and usually it's pretty dry within 24 hours, but I'll make sure to use a long toothpick/skewer.
Thanks for the detailed information though. I do well with my sedums and echeverias, but haworthias I'm so hit or miss on.
I've had these two for about 2 months now I believe. One is a "Haworthia Cymbiformis" and the other is a "Haworthia x Obtusa Hybrid."
I have them currently sitting under two of these lights for 13 hours a day, not directly under, and about 8'' away. I water them about once a month, I just watered the obtusa, I'm about to water the cymbiformis.
The other lighting options are to put them under this 30k lumen set-up, which seems absurd since I've heard Haworthia like less light. Alternatively I can put them on my desk which is about 3' away from the 30k lumen lights and the lights put off some pretty bright light when on. Would that give them enough? I don't know what I'm doing wrong with these guys, but it's clear I'm doing something way wrong.
I agree. They should be able to take more light. How do they survive in the wild ?
I recently purchased Barrina full spectrum grow lights to winter my succulents.
I found very quickly that I could not have any of my Haworthia directly under the lights or they would start turning darker within a day. So I have had to put them a foot or so to the side or away from the LEDs.
My plans are to slowly move them closer and try to acclimate them to the higher light levels.
Sure! I used a combination of information found here on this sub, the sidebar and personal experience.
I started out with Miracle Gro cactus soil mix and microwaved it for 5 minutes then let it cool. I sterilized the bowl and lid with hydrogen peroxide. Added a diluted amount of liquid fertilizer to distilled water and bottom watered the seed container. Sprinkled the seeds on top of the soil then added a light layer of unused aquarium sand on top of the seeds. Put lid on and put it in a bright location under my grow lights. Since I’m in Florida I tried mimicking these results by placing the seed container on a bag of ice at night (with a thin rag between the two). I put the bag back in the freezer every morning and placed it under the container every night until the seeds appeared to stop germinating (I wanna say 2 weeks in total). According to Renny, you can leave the lid on the container for a few months but I lost a few plants and leaves to mold (spray with hydrogen peroxide when you see it) so I’m now switching to the Marx method mentioned in the sidebar. Other than that, I keep it under a dedicated grow light. Seeds are 12 - 18 inches away from the bulb.
I hope that helped! Any other questions feel free to ask.
Try using a light meter app to measure how many lux your plants are getting. The app I've been using is literally called Lux. Measure holding your phone screen up directly over your plants. Most people growing indoors with lights seem to be in the 5000-10000 lux range. Then adjust the space between your light and your plants accordingly.
I second the recommendation for window screen between plants and lights if needed. It can help them get acclimated to the new setup without you having to adjust your light spacing after you've got everything in place.
I've been using these lights although their color temperature is only 2900k. No problems so far. Many people on here prefer a much higher color temperature light.
https://www.amazon.com/Monios-L-Output-Spectrum-Sunlight-Replacement/dp/B07QFPBQDR
Mine is also a clip light. I use this light It’s a 60W LED bulb and despite its unassuming appearance, it packs a punch.
I was hesitant at first because it doesn’t seem like this one would be powerful enough but I’ve been pleasantly surprised by it. In fact I now have 3 of them! I don’t have a ton of space or a ton of plants so I didn’t want something that would take much room or be a hassle to move. The timer works well and the quality seems good. It did take a couple days to get the adjustable heads trained to stay put but overall good price for a good product.
I keep my plants anywhere from 4-6 inches under the light and have it set to the 12 hour timer.
I don’t have any sort of meter to find that. They are 6500k 2200 lumen shop lights. I am going to set up a mirror of this shelf for winter and am considering if some of my plants like the haworthia should only have 2 lights per shelf. The distance from the lights matters too.
(Pack of 6) Barrina LED T5 Integrated Single Fixture, 4FT, 2200lm, 6500K (Super Bright White), 20W, Utility Shop Light, Ceiling and Under Cabinet Light, Corded electric with built-in ON/OFF switch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HBT3BVM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_WPAF2RJP2J76ARB0FA6T
There's a reason he's #1 in the pokedex!
(And if you're wondering I got the planter here.)
Yep. It's the cactus and succulent mix. The pine bark smells great too which is sorta weird.
Also on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0194E9RW4/
I'm convinced now to move most of my plants into primarily inorganic potting soil. I've had less problems with that. But then again try whatever works for you!
bought and repotted on february 1st into a pot that was way larger than the original pot. i assumed they werent plumping back up because it was too big and the roots were rotten so i unpotted last week and checked (they were not) then repotted into a smaller pot, but still larger than the nursery pot. i chose to do a smaller pot because i was worried all the extra space would eventually cause rot
they get bright direct 24/7 as all my other succulents from these lights (linking it instead of putting specs because i dont know what intensity they are) they are about a foot and a half away from the light
overnight temps are probably in the 60-70s? they are kept indoors as i live in the northern climate and we have over a foot of snow outside rn, they are far away from any windows/drafts
It's in the greenhouse, and has been moved from shelf 4 (summer) to shelf 2 (winter). I have 30% shade cloth up, and it gets maybe 4 hours of full sun in the winter.
On Amazon but they’ve been unavailable for weeks now, I’m starting to worry they won’t restock them. You can get them on eBay but you have to wait for shipping out of China. The brand is T4U, they make loads of nice pots.
I also have a hookup for Water Dance pots, they are nice.
Do you have a preferred brand? I’m looking at this
Succulent Fertilizer by Perfect Plants - Light Rate, Slow Release Formula for All Succulent and Cactus Types https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CRK6V2C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_gyJIFbKXHM7Z3
If you want to go the ink route, ballpoint pens fade much slower than sharpie, but you'd want to laminate the tags to prevent smearing. I don't think brand or ink type matters, and have used the oily ink in bic pens, and both the gel and water-based pilot brand pens.
I use cut up note cards and laminate with clear packing tape, and it works quite well. I've even stuck them down the side of the pot and they've been watered repeatedly with no issues.
Of course, protecting them from UV is going to help, so it's really about creating a durable tag that can get wet.
Probably the better solution is to use metal tags like these, or one of those label makers that does embossed tags.
It's very roughly 3 parts pumice 2 parts turface 1 part pine fines. I got the pots on Amazon. They only have purple right now. ☹ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KXJ3LNU/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_6HgQEb820RNR8
I used this - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011HXVEQM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_JgmvDb8ZNPDHS
Until I left it outside and it got rained on and clumped up.
Then I stopped by Lowe's and got one of Miracle Grow's organic fertilizers that is in a 3:1:2 ratio as well. Well, almost 3:1:2. It's actually 3.33:1:2 ratio. The Jobe's fertilizer at Lowe's with the exact same labeling isn't 3:1:2 so keep an eye on that.
I soak my plants for 30-60 minutes so they get a good deep drink. When I first went to Bonsai Jack I didn't soak them long enough and they were struggling. After I started fertilizing and soaking long term my plants perked right up and actually took off.
For what it is worth, I have a plant from my collection that is very similar and labeled H. emelyae currently a little sun stressed, but otherwise happy.
This seems reasonable comparing it with the reference book I have, Haworthia for the collector by schulz, but my app doesn't want to let me upload a picture of the page. :\
There are several varieties and growth forms for emelyae, so I don't think this is too unrealistic.
However, you see a very similar plant sold as badia by Amazon, which I think confuses folks:
https://www.amazon.com/Haworthia-mirabilis-exotic-succulent-cactus/dp/B01HP7W9FY