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Well, Mother Theresa is an expert on the subject. She left humans in her care to die in pain, denying them medical care and antibiotics. Her policies led to deaths from untreated injuries and diseases in the filthy, poorly managed hospices she ran (The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice https://www.amazon.com/Missionary-Position-Mother-Teresa-Practice/dp/1455523003/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1473084988&sr=8-1&keywords=hitchens+mother+teresa&linkCode=sl1&tag=chitch-20&linkId=58b39e60ab5d4a6a041d265dc54c8221)
Christopher Hitchins had quite a bit more to say about her; she cozied up to the Duvalier family who ran Haiti as a savage dictatorship for years and considered Charles Keating (disgraced savings and loan executive who bankrupted hundreds of elderly retirees when his pyramid S&L investment bank collapsed due to his greed and mismanagement) as her good friend.
She also opposed contraception and compared contraceptives to abortion, even though India women begged for them so they wouldn't be forced to give birth every year.
God Awful Movies just did this one last Tuesday.
The take away was this: It's depiction of abortion is so over the top that if it weren't made specifically to scare children away from seeking healthcare it would be hilarious. The fact that it's a movie made to scare children from seeking healthcare is the true horror.
Also Abby Johnson is a liar.
Why is this so hard to believe? The United Nations agrees abortion is a human right,, while in Kansas, abortion is a constitutional right., but carry on with your 'icky' response, as if it will change a damn thing about these FACTS.
Of course, nobody ever is going to frame their own actions as bad for women- to a certain extent, I suppose each side thinks certain things are good for women, and work to enact their vision of how the world ought be. That said, if we go off of feminist values (prizing women being given equal opportunities, funding measures that directly address women's needs, etc.), then Democratic policies tend to be better for women.
Wikipedia's page has a nice compendium of different aspects that are often cited as comprising the "Republican war on women", and if you're really interested in understanding this claim, you might want to get your library's copy of Tanya Melich's <em>The Republican War Against Women: An Insider's Report from Behind the Lines</em>.
>Also, what if they (or some of them at-least) don't want to control women, they just genuinely believe that fetus deserves life.
I'd personally say that they then might need to contend with the ramifications of their actions, even if their intentions are not control.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1644210584/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_wNgcGbJHRJSN1
If it's something you worry about a lot, I highly recommend this book.
Although it's very, very, unlikely - make a plan. Whether that's being on birth control, having Plan B in stock etc. It's less scary if you can take more control over it.
I wonder if Lalanymous is talking about this, which I read about in Christina Page's <em>How the Pro-Choice Movement Saved America: Freedom, Politics, and the War on Sex</em>:
>A study published in the journal Fertility and Sterility and funded by the Canadian Institutes of Health Research found that as many as 40% of women may develop "preovulatory follicles" two or three times during their menstrual cycle. If the appropriate signals are received, these women have the biological potential to ovulate at different times during the cycle, not just once, as formerly thought.
> An abortion is safer than giving birth.
Is that true? According to the WHO, the maternal mortality rate in western countries is about 7 - 12 deaths per 100,000 pregnancies.
The mortality rate from legal, best medical practices abortion complications is actually significantly higher once you get to about six weeks in the pregnancy. At thirteen weeks, it's more than twice as likely to cause death, more than three times as likely at 16-20 weeks, and over ten times as likely at 21+ weeks. (Source)
So according to the data, the average abortion seems to be less safe than the average western birth.
Edit: This was wrong. Please ignore.
There are different definitions of human being, some more complete than others. Dictionaries provide incomplete definitions. For example it's clear that a mute person is indeed a human being but that doesn't ahve the power of articulate speech. A 1 month old baby doesn't have a superior mental development over for example animals. So that definition is defining human beings.
Also, if you want to go by incomplete definitions. Here's the definition of child https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child See that the first definition says 'unborn'. Also, from the definition of your own dictionary of a child is : A son or daughter of any age.
There are other definitions by other dictionaries but they all point to the same thing.
For example this source is a collection of other dictionaries: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/human-being
So yes, fetuses are human beings. Furthermore the term has a biological and medical use. As I said, dictionaries provide the basic incomplete information, but don't include the actual scientific meaning in most cases. The fetus is considered a living organism in biology, in humans it's a human living organism, which is a human being.
Well, you likely already have experienced it, even without a name. The book I linked to is great; but I actually did intend to link to Mental Load by the same author. Its a book that can help explain to men what a load it is to carry the majority of the grown up responsibility in a relationship.
In that case, I'll go ahead and suggest another shirt.
"Hell was boring" it's my absolute favorite.
She's a religious prolife advocate, if that tells you anything.
https://www.amazon.com/Story-Birthright-Alternative-Abortion/dp/091338206X#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div take a look at the one review
This isn't directly about abortion, but there's a good book called "Jesus and John Wayne" that talks about how horrible toxic ideas of masculinity became a driving force in evangelicalism. It might be useful in a "know the enemy" way.
I'm so sorry that happened to you and your friends. My daughters were raised in an open information household. Their favorite book before they could read themselves was, "Where Did I Come From?" (https://www.amazon.com/Where-Did-Come-Peter-Mayle/dp/0818402539).
The point is really that personhood begins with first awareness/mental states. It's not so much the act of giving birth that matters - birth is just required for those to begin. Viability isn't a relevant factor in my mind ; people who require regular blood transfusions from others to survive are still people.
The uterine environment inhibits consciousness; some more scientific articles on that are here:
https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/SDRTL/the-importance-of-awareness-for-understanding-fetal-pain
and here
Ah, got ya. Yes, that can definitely be helpful to understand their rhetoric. I've done that a few times myself. That can be useful for a number of things.
The prolife sub sidebar had a link to recommended reading which had this book listed for CPCs. That might be useful for your research.
I listen to them weekly. This last week and this coming week they're doing the Flat Earth 'documentaries' Flat Earth Clues.
They also reviewed Voiceless a while back, another 'true' story about a veteran who heroicly harasses a women's health clinic.
Devil's advocate argument here, but this is an interesting link to a secular (atheist) group of pro-lifers.
https://sites.google.com/site/roeflip/
They have an argument there as to why fetuses should be considered people. Anyone care to rebut?
>A doctor forcing a trans-vaginal ultrasound, or any procedure without consent, just does not go on
That is patently not true:
2013 case
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/transvaginal-ultrasound-lawsuit_n_3907422
2018 case
https://rewire.news/legislative-tracker/law-topic/forced-ultrasound/
Just 30 second google search. I am certain there are more, especially with states with heartbeat laws.
>but calling it rape is just not accurate or respectful to people who have actually been raped.
I am a rape victim of "legitimate rape". Don't you dare speak to me or for me as if you are actually concerned with my feelings and well-being.
This is actual rape, as in penetration of the vagina, without consent by any object or body part.
Are you a woman? Have you ever had a transvaginal ultrasound? I have had many, I had ones that lasted 10 minutes or more, and were extremely uncomfortable. I have no doubt in my mind what the definitions of things are.
http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/ I can't speak for this person but my guess is that it will not change this person's mind any more than my following sentence will change yours. If you you support killing the most innocent and helpless form of a human being instead of giving them chance to live and decide their own fate but instead forcing them to die helplessly at least love the people who where given a chance like YOU and every one on earth who has ever lived, anyone that ever will, love your fellow human and most importantly yourself and mother because she gave YOU a chance.
i there are millions of unwanted kids some adults now with families of their own families who are happy that they weren't murdered by their own mother's. over 99% of these kids that you speak for do not want to be brutally murdered and would be scared of the thought of never living because they just want a chance to live or at the very least a chance to decide the fate of their lives instead of just having their lives taken just because they're a mere inconvenience to their own mother's. http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/
I used to think the same way as you but I thought of what it would be like from my own perspective to have a chance Instead of just being erased so I have decided to try to convince people to change to save the lives of these children you can see in the link above or at the very least just one. Because I believe every child deserves a chance to live.
Why does being female give you the right to murder someone else And participate in this http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/ ? And how is this not worse than murder? This literally is killing the most innocent and helpless form of human while taking away the longest amount of life possible and preventing any future families this person most likely would have loved and been loved by.
I am aware how to use punctuation, however I am not here to demonstrate proper punctuation or grammar as much as I am to quickly reply to people (so they don't lose interest) on seeing the other side of the argument and hopefully (but not likely) cum to the conclusion that ending an entire life almost 80 years, all the experiences and kids that they might have had through the process of abortions is wrong and maybe save the lives of the children of the future parents who read them because every body I know and love and are loved by many wouldn't be here if they were aborted. I also know that there are many millions who never got the chance to love or be loved by someone because they were aborted. This site shows how many people are aborted in live time in the world this year. http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/
Firstable, that's just my logic that they created a life (they just got to know where the babies come from, so they knew the most probable consequences) and now they should at least give it a chance to live. It is life. At the top in my post you can find my evidence that life is created at conception (strange that no pro-choicer has ever shown me the counterevidence).
No one can be killed as long as they don't pose a lethal thread. And it almost never does. But if it isn't, they shouldn't get killed. Sex isn't here for fun only. I'm sorry. This is reality.
Earth doesn't need more people - really? This is the excuse for murder? Hitler was an eco-activist, right? In all our history there wasn't such low poverty and starvation rate. I think that with the technologic advancements we will manage.
Bigger problems? What's worse than 40-50 milion innocent children dying every year (http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/) ?
You are defending annual mass murder? I don't know who's really sick in the head. No one has the right to decide who is to live and die. Sorry, I won't chill the f*ck up about that.
From chapter 10 of
The Wisdom of Abortion, Kim Johnson
https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Abortion-Kim-Johnson/dp/1460929756
The religious hysteric feels threatened by sexuality. That’s why he wants to have as little to do with sex as possible; that’s why he says that the only valid use of sex is reproduction. He imagines having such an opinion of sex elevates him closer to the angels. In fact, it brings him down to the level of the lower animals. For it is the lower animals that use sex exclusively for reproduction. Among the lower animals the female is receptive to sex only when she is in heat and can get pregnant. But women don’t go into heat like cats and dogs. God so designed the human female that she has sexual urges even when she’s not ovulating. According to the religious hysteric, a woman should deny her sexual urges unless she can fulfill the “true” function of sexuality: reproduction. But, unlike the religious hysteric, most people realize that sex has a higher purpose than mere reproduction.Sex is primarily for the expression of intimacy and love, for affection,and even for fun. Its reproductive purpose is secondary.
This book begins with the stories of women who are glad they had an abortion, how it improved their lives. (A later chapter describes how the human soul doesn't implant until MONTHS after conception so it doesn't have a human soul and therefore is not a human being.)
The Wisdom of Abortion, Kim Johnson
https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Abortion-Kim-Johnson/dp/1460929756
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More here: https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2021/09/terms-of-use-violation/
Love Meera Shah's <em>You're the Only One I've Told: The Stories Behind Abortion</em>. Intersperses stories of individual women's abortions with facts and information that provide more context about abortion generally as it relates to each's story. I feel like it's a really good book for people not overly familiar with the subject.
Consent to take a shower is indeed consent to getting wet. But it’s not consent to drowning or slipping breaking a neck, or losing a limb. If something endangers you, you have the right to stop it. Abortion is borderline self defense. The fetus does not ask for consent before it parasitically feeds off your body until it almost kills you at birth. Or at best severely disfigures you, and leads to a lower pay, and after you get a divorce (50%) chance or become a single mother household (25% for whites 55%+ for minorities) you will likely not find another lover because 66% of marriages where there is an existing child fail within a year, and probably even more for non marriage relationships. Cited Source
The most extensive and logical rebuttal I ever seen was in a (short) book about abortions. It basically refuted all religions, provided real world implications as towards why they are necessary and why we would be f***ed if not for them, why they can be morally justified, while criticizing the basic and incomplete arguments IN FAVOR of abortions. It has honestly turned into my favorite book and is kind of like my handbook on invalidating any argument against abortion.
Honestly, it’s pretty bad, the inconsistencies I mean. I’ve been on the fence, constantly conflicted if abortion was right or wrong, and then I read this book and it kind of goes over these inconsistencies in thought specifically about abortion. I learned it wasn’t just about the mother and how much women AND ESPECIALLY BLACK WOMEN and communities suffer, but how if we didn’t have it we would be on the cusps of a possible human rights crisis. If you think housing availability, and prices are bad now, what about all the baby would be’s that would want a house (especially minorities), and the overcrowded schools they would have. And the disproportionate amount of teen pregnancies in minorities as well.
Also made me feel really stupid at times, like, how can I approve of the death penalty and then think about supporting “pro-life” it doesn’t even make sense, a grown man/woman who poses no threat to society is detained and stripped of their freedoms doomed to live a life in prison, and we’re still going to kill him for no reason. Completely excessive and unnecessary, but pregnancies literally kill women and destroy communities and raise housing prices faster than the communities wages increase.
SMH They make it seem like a simple issue of murder or no murder, but it’s not!
Yes, I tried it with a batch import of ip:port and also with just individual ip/port combos and tried all the protocol options, but got the same error ever time, even on the "What's my IP" site provided by FoxyProxy.
I tried both the Standard and Basic versions of FoxyProxy and when I enabled some of the better-performing proxies from the list, I always get "Secure Connection Failed" when trying to load just about anything, regular or private session. :-(
Remember you can get it on Amazon for much less than this! Here’s a link: My Choice Emergency Contraceptive 1 Tablet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1UOMJ9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_7NZNY1A35QHRQ2S1B7Z4
I really recommend David Boonin's "A Defense of Abortion". He systematically and convincingly debunks all the popular pro-life arguments - this book radically changed my views on the subject. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.com/Defense-Abortion-Cambridge-Studies-Philosophy/dp/0521520355&ved=2ahUKEwja0-jHgOzqAhX6FTQIHa6HD18QFjALegQICxAB&usg=AOvVaw2sme6F47a0S1oWaAxbpAmL
I personally feel that you are liable for the harms that you incur on someone, even if said harms occurred in utero, so if you end up birthing someone who suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome due to your actions, it's wrong, inasmuch as we agree that FAS and other issues caused during pregnancy by the mother's actions are detrimental to someone's life and well-being.
That said, I also believe that in many cases, pregnant women are struggling with addiction, and they want the best for their children, even while they slip up and make mistakes. I believe a certain level of compassion is needed- women who are addicted to drugs and alcohol are more likely to neglect prenatal care, for example, if they are condemned rather than offered help, or if they fear being jailed or judged for poor birth outcomes.
I think it's very . . . telling . . . that we only treat certain activities dangerous to fetuses as bad, while others are good. I've posted this before, from Lynn Paltrow, in Jennifer Block's book <em>Pushed: The Painful Truth About Childbirth and Modern Maternity Care</em>:
>"She also maintains that they must be seen in the context of a culture that celebrates the woman who conceives quadruplets after multiple fertility treatments- treatments that put the fetuses at risk for severe prematurity, neurological damage, and death- yet imprisons the woman who puts her fetus at far less risk with illegal drug use.
And finally, I think it should be noted that there's so much different advice from medical authorities regarding drinking- whether a beer or glass of wine a week or a month is fine or still cause for concern- that I don't think that we ought be practicing judgment just because we see someone who we know is pregnant or a stranger who is visibly so consuming alcohol.
Never heard of this one! Might have to give this one a read once I finish the other books I am reading.
ETAI looked on amazon to see if there was a used copy for cheaper. Most of the other titles after it seemed prolife in nature save for 1 or 2. Came across this one written by the same author though! https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Roe-Abortion-Should-Legal-Even-ebook/dp/B07MTFJ517/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=a+defense+of+abortion&qid=1600016858&sr=8-11
Their is another Jane collective movie in the works with Elizabeth Moss and Susan Sarandon https://variety.com/2019/film/news/elisabeth-moss-susan-sarandon-call-jane-abortion-rights-1203125775/
If you have not ready it this is must about Jane https://www.amazon.co.uk/Story-Jane-Legendary-Underground-Feminist/dp/0226424219
How the Pro-Choice Movement Saved America: Freedom, Politics and the War on Sex Paperback by Cristina Page and The Means of Reproduction: Sex, Power, and the Future of the World Paperback by Michelle Goldberg are two that I have on my shelf and really like, but there's no lack of great books. Are there areas that are of particular interest to you- the legal aspect? Medical? Societal?
These will give you a lot of reference to the pre-Roe movement. As for more recent history, other folks can probably help you more than I can.