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> Browsers these days are becoming unnecessarily bloated.

This is hilarious on context. I remember when Firefox was called Phoenix, and it was built because Mozilla was slow and bloated.

Mozilla is now called SeaMonkey. It's been 3-4 years since I last tried it, but when I did, it was a crapton faster than Firefox.

Netscape Navigator is even less resource intensive. It was branched into Mozilla Suite then SeaMonkey, but it is still maintained and works with all of the latest web standards.

Eh, it REALLY depends on when you are talking about.

The Mozilla "suite" was originally Netscape Navigator, which was of course THE browser. This became Netscape Communicator (version 4) which became a "suite".

I loved it at the time because you had a full browser, mail client, IRC, etc. Keep in mind this was circa Windows 95/98.

IE 5 when released was really the death knell. It was certainly faster and more lightweight than Netscape.

Netscape 5 never came to be, but thankfully the source code lives on.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org actually continues the tradition of the Mozilla "suite" as an open source project. I believe they take Firefox, Thunderbird etc for the project but I haven't even thought about that project in years.

>, the way that Mozilla developers abandoned seamonkey and flocked to firefox.

btw, seamonkey still exists today:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

I wouldn't quite call it abandoned... I see what you're saying though...

Netscape Navigator lives on as Seamonkey. Try it out if ever you are on a slow computer; I've never found a faster web browser. It was originally built for 486s and Pentiums, but it supports everything Firefox does.

Actually it's still around as Seamonkey, not Firefox. Firefox is a continuation of Firebird, not Mozilla Application Suite.

Here's a Seamonkey screenshot ( http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/img-screen/win7/browser.png )

It should look like what you remember of Netscape far more than Firefox does.

> Probably more like a 90's remote xterm display.

Story time: That's how I learned that some user interfaces could be more productive and usable than others.

In 2001, I had an internship at HP, and I shared an HP-UX server with three other people, using Envizex II X terminals. I was in high school, and the Microsoft Xbox had just been released, so I told all my friends that I used an X box at work.

Puns aside, it was surprisingly productive. There wasn't any network lag, so I didn't even realize that the server wasn't under my desk until I ran the 'who' command a noticed everyone else was logged into the same server. We realized we could open windows on each others computers, and we had fun answering questions like 'where is the Metcalf file' by making the Metcalf file pop up on their computer.

I had been running FreeBSD at home, but only with KDE, which seemed to just be copying Microsoft Windows 98. I felt like CDE was far more productive than either KDE or Windows 98, and I once I discovered that XFCE had more or less the same interface as CDE I was hooked.

Even now, I have a hybrid tablet that dual boots Android and XFCE on Ubuntu. Between a bunch of custom touch gestures using touchegg and the onboard on-screen keyboard, I can get things done much faster in Ubuntu than in Android. I only boot into Android to run applications that aren't available in Ubuntu Linux. Speaking of the 90's, I have Netscape's spiritual successor, Seamonkey, as an email client, and it is much, much better than Google's mail client.

Both touchegg and onboard have broken features (touchegg's pinch/unpinch feature and onboards auto-show/hide feature) so they could be a bit more productive, and its nothing close to a keyboard and mouse, but still Android and iOS have nothing on the setup.

For Netscape - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

For IE

• https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/neofox-ie-6/
• https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxe9/

Though if you are doing with jkjustjoshing is suggesting please don't. Someone who is not you will need to support this setup. When the helpdesk script says to do this IE thing everyone will get frustrated because the steps don't work.

There is also the SeaMonkey browser suite which is the continuation of the old Mozilla suite, but with modern browser engine enhancements and proper security updates. If you want a browser where the user interface doesn't change, this is it.

Ah, Netscape Communicator, I do remember using that for many years. Ended up going to SeaMonkey ( http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ ) when that was released.

Oh, and it is Redhat, not Redhot.

It shouldn't, but it will have an effect on the system speed - even though El Cap has terrific memory management. You'll get the rainbow beachball on occasion. If you're not stuck to any browser, I've found the snappiest on a 2009 is SeaMonkey - it is a developer's fork of Mozilla based on the old Netscape Communicator Suite - and has Add-ons that work nearly identical to Firefox's and it's a bit faster. Put in NoScript and uBlock Origin and you'll have a much better time on the internet.

One thing to be mindful of is that a Mac is pure quill UNIX at the core - so the kernel uses virtual memory - swapfiles - and requires that you keep at least 25% of the hard drive free.

(If after some time, you manage to save some dosh, pick up a SSD, build yourself a bootable installer and swap the drive, reinstall and it will be as fast as a newer machine..)

I do not know why Waterfox's developer hasn't replied to my query, but I have a strong, sneaking suspicion that the developer relies heavily on Mozilla's own coding and since Mozilla just ended support for OS X 10.6-10.8 with their last full feature version of Firefox (version 48.0), I have a feeling we older OS X users will NOT be seeing anymore Waterfox upgrades/updates for OS X 10.6-10.8 from this developer, any longer. Waterfox's last version for OS X 10.7-10.8, is the same version number as Mozilla Firefox. So, that tell me this version of Waterfox maybe done and the last version for older OS X users.

Mozilla is continuing secuirty versions of an older (version 45) through their Firefox ESR program which will only offer security updates only for versions 45-50 until April 2017. No new browser feature updates. The Firefox ESR extension program is targeted to Enterprise and educational institutions, but individuals CAN ignore this and download and install the Firefox ESR versions that, will still run on OS X 10.6-10.8. You just won't get any new features and newer add-ons and extensions may not be compatible with this ESR version of Mozilla Firefox. Download and install Firefox ESR here.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/

I kept both versions of FF on my system and labelled the ESR version Firefox ESR to differentiate the last full version of FF for OS X 10.6-10.8 and the security updates only version.

The only other supported web browser for OS X 10.6-10.8 is SeaMonkey

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

Check them out!

Good Luck!

Nah, that's Seamonkey. Literally. As in, it's based on the same code of the original Mozilla Suite, which is the result of the open sourced code of Netascape, kept updated with the rendering engine from Firefox.

I have a MacBook Pro5,3, 2009 with 4GB RAM and Yosemite (even!) and never, ever have had issues with SeaMonkey.

It is a developer's fork of Firefox, based on the old Netscape Communicator and includes a chatzilla and mail app (which I don't use) and is a tad snappier than Firefox and I like it a heck of a lot better than Safari or Chrome. It has the add-ons tools and though not as many are available for this as are for Firefox the main ones that matter are; namely NoScript, AdBlock Plus and FlashGot.

Granted, I can't stand tabs and keeping to windows-only keeps me running much leaner than the whole multiple pages w/ multiple tabs on each - that is a part of your issue there! You've got plenty of life in your machine, four times the memory and twice the CPU's so without me being snarky, yes, there is another browser option to try, but at your current usage patterns with browsers - the web is getting clunkier with ads being served to any and every popup or script on a page and flash in half of them demanding resources.. you really need to learn to run a bit more lean on how many pages you have up with open tabs in a browser at a time. Try the SeaMonkey, add the add-ons and use it a bit more streamlined and see if you get better results.

Good luck!

Everyone rags on 10.6.8 but I'm still using it with no issues whatsoever.

I have dual-boot and Yosemite on the other partition and it's is a 'meh' experience so far - there are many of the tools I rely on for my graphics - like my Intuos tablet drivers no longer running in 10.10. Sorry, not acceptable. Too much social media/cloud based shit going on as well. (no I do not want to connect my contacts to the cloud, thankyouverymuch)

For the video and music, yeah, 10.6.8 is all you need and as /u/TurkeyLerg said, Safari is right out, I recommend SeaMonkey which is a developer's fork of Firefox based on Netscape Communicator and is a bit snappier than Firefox. It's also got the Add-ons so you put in NoScript and AdBlock Plus and you're good to go.

The DVD is all you need. Boot from the disk and go to the Disk Utility and repartition the drive so it wipes the data and starts fresh. You'll have to do that anyhow. Reinstall the Snow Leopard and just get all the updates. Once you get the machine to 10.6.8, the AppStore app will be available and you just take the upgrades to Yosemite if you are so inclined, or decide at the start to partition into two volumes and go dual-boot and test out Yosemite that way w/o wiping out the Snow Leopard install.

I dual-boot Snow Leopard (and Yosemite) and don't have issues, it runs just fine and the java troubles are with Safari 5, which has holes you can drive a truck through. Don't use Safari in 10.6. When you move to a different browser, I recommend SeaMonkey, a developer's fork of Firefox that is based on the old Netscape Communicator. Add that and get the latest Flash, then the add-ons NoScript and AdblockPlus and it's fine.

The Mozilla Suite lives on in Seamonkey. For anyone that wants a classic file menu based web browser with a modern rendering engine, this is it. I've used it before and it's actually rather slim for everything that it does. Back then computing power was much less though.

Well, if you want customization, etc in a browser you may want to use SeaMonkey instead. It is basically a mix between the classic Mozilla Suite and Firefox and several Firefox addons work with SeaMonkey too.

The closest alternative today is Seamonkey. It's the evolution of the old Mozilla suite from way back when. Compatible with a lot of the Firefox stuff too, as they share the same codebase. No torrent client, though.

Also SeaMonkey, something I've been using forever. It's more like the original Mozilla browser in look and feel yet still keeps up with Firefox core updates. I really wish it would get a lot more love than it does.

Having been in the Moz community for awhile I remember there being a program called seamonkey which was the Mozilla Browser Suite before there was Firefox(or if you like Firebird) and Thunderbird(IIRC I think it was called Minotaur). It is basically an all in one browser, with an email client, IRC Client, HTML Editing, etc. You can check it out, AFAIK the Moz foundation no longer maintains it but it is maintained by the SeaMonkey Community and is based on the same Layout engine as Firefox (Gecko).

> Since Fx is a java program

Firefox is not at all a Java program. You may be confusing Java with JavaScript - while they have a few things in common, they are separate and rather different languages.

Also, it seems silly linking to some random download website for SeaMonkey, when it has a perfectly good official website.

There is an open source HTML editor in the spirit of Dreamweaver called SeaMonkey. If all you need is a quick edit without learning code, that will probably handle it for you.

SeaMonkey also seems to be free from the bug on FreeBSD. Makes sense,

> … Building on the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 52.9 ESR, …

– and the Mozilla bug bit the 56 branch.

Some update on the MAC and plug-in option that I came across today, if you're still using the same setup.

While Safari fixes might be a while off, the Seamonkey project browser should support the MAC plug in still.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

Sea monkey browser still recognizes silver light. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ some offices we work with use cloud 9 for their work and we had to install it in a few Macs because the company needs the plugin still.

SeaMonkey. After Mozilla abandoned the Mozilla Suite in favor of Firefox and its greater speed (which, in a bit of irony, was dramatically decreased in the next versions whereas Mozilla Suite became much faster) the community picked it up and continued development (the Mozilla Foundation helped with hosting and resources and AFAIK some SeaMonkey devs also work on Firefox).

As for why, it is simple: it provides an "all-in-one" internet suite with browser, mail client, newsgroup client, irc client and even an HTML editor (which i use to write docs and stuff and also as a lightweight word processor). Normally i'd use separate programs for these things, but the best around are already made by Mozilla and SeaMonkey shares most of the code, so i save both space and resources with SeaMonkey.

Also i like the "SeaMonkey Modern" theme on my desktop. It isn't really modern, considering that it is there since the early 2000s, but it is kind of nostalgic since i was promoting Mozilla way before version 1.0 was released and before Firefox was even a thing (Mozilla back then was the name of the program - it was called just Mozilla without the Suite suffix - and SeaMonkey was the codename of the project, which became the codename of the spinoff just like Mozilla was originally used as the codename of Netscape).

Nope, it's known as SeaMonkey®. If anyone remembers, Netscape included an e-mail client, web editor, IRC client, etc. Firefox is a standalone browser, (Thunderbird a standalone e-mail client) but SeaMonkey is still an application suite.

You're welcome. I'm in the same boat as you, they add useless shit like Pocket but remove or change stuff that they really shouldn't.

There is a viable alternative though, Mozilla has another product called SeaMonkey, which is, for lack of a better explanation, Netscape Communicator with the most recent version of Firefox's guts inside it. It supports many of the same add-ons that Firefox supports (at least right now) such as ABP, uBlock Origin, and Greasemonkey and RES with modifications. The UI hasn't changed since about 1997, so once you get used to it and customize it, it is extremely unlikely that an update will break it. (and if it does, it's almost always a change that Firefox forced upon us; we can't avoid everything, but we do avoid most) If you don't like the 90s-style interface, there are plenty of themes available for it. I use both Firefox and SeaMonkey regularly, and contribute to both, but once Firefox pisses me off enough (removal of themes or XUL add-ons is probably going to be it) I will switch to SeaMonkey full time.

I'd been using Seamonkey since it was still the Mozilla Suite, but it's development and maintenance has been very lackluster of late (not the dev's fault, they're doing their best but there's so few of them).

So I've recently switched to Pale Moon and Fossamail. Fossamail is basically a slightly better maintained fork of Thunderbird, sharing Pale Moon code instead of Firefox code.

Unfortunately rushmc1 below is correct, mail client development has basically stagnated in the last decade, and it's a shame. Don't use gmail, it's toxic shit (unless you're happy with google reading all your emails in order to market to you). Google already has more control than it should over what you see of the world, don't give them more power to manipulate how you feel about things.

Well, there are SeaMonkey (which is developed with help from Mozilla) and forks for guys like you. Mozilla has never been interested in a stagnated web, quite the opposite.

It's actually not Netscape, but a custom theme for the Firefox-based SeaMonkey, running on Windows 7 with the Classic theme enabled and a custom Start button. Netscape added tabs in 6.0 (the first Mozilla-based release) which was released in 2001/2002, which was way before IE, who introduced tabs in IE7. (2006)

If anyone's interested, you can replicate my setup with the NS theme by installing SeaMonkey and installing my add-on pack on top of it.

Check to see if Adobe has updated Flash. I get those beachball of death issues in Safari almost exclusively.

If I might suggest, try the fork of Firefox called SeaMonkey - it's basically a suite based on the old Netscape Communicator and has lots of tools, and since migrating away from Safari (it was too prone to issues like you are having) I've not looked back.

SeaMonkey

There was a browser simply called Mozilla. It had the same interface and all the functionality of Netscape's Communicator (Browser, email, newsgroup (usenet), IRC, WYSIWYG HTML editor, etc...). It still exist today, it's called SeaMonkey. Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox was a project to isolate the web browser portion of Mozilla in order to make it lighter. The Email client part of Mozilla was also separated into ThunderBird. Also, Mozilla was a internal code-name for Netscape and was officially adopted by the Mozilla foundation.

Not a popular choice, but I love Seamonkey. It's a community driven project based on the Mozilla Suite (after Mozilla decided to abandon the suite in favour of Firefox and Thunderbird).

I really like the integration of the browser and mail component, as well as the availability of extensions (Adblock Plus, Ghostery, Stylish, DownloadThemAll, etc).

It utilises all the back-end advantages of Thunderbird and Firefox, but uses half the memory since it shares components. I've used it to connect to Hotmail (POP3) and Yahoo (IMAP), and I even use Enigmail and Lightening extensions. It's nice :-)

Hmm. I'd say you've got something up. This is the grab from my 2009 2.8Ghz C2D MBP with 4GB of RAM.. Set the Activity Monitor to see all the processes and check also, if you've got items set to auto-launch in your Accounts settings.

That's an awful lot of RAM usage for just VLC and Safari.

Exdited to add: Also, try instead of Chrome or Safari as a browser, using SeaMonkey. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ It is more or less a Netscape Communicator-styled fork of Firefox with a much smaller size and has all the Add-on support for the things that matter, like NoScript and AdBlock.

I use it pretty much all the time now, and it's got full functionality in Yosemite and uses less memory.

I'm running Snow Leopard on my MacPro and have been getting stellar service with SeaMonkey, which is a fork of the old Mozilla suite and is loaded with options..

Here: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

Community members picked it up when Mozilla abandoned it, renamed it SeaMonkey, and continue to develop it.

And that is one of the reasons why open source is awesome. :-)

I think we should take a step back from this, as you've started to call me names now (for the record, "retard" is ableist). You're telling me that the open internet is harmful to innovation, right? Well, a lot of very interesting things have been built on top of the internet. I don't really think it's reasonable to claim that adding regulations and restrictions would somehow improve on that innovation. You claim it would increase innovation at lower layers, by more than enough to compensate for this loss, right? Well, let's look at what a world like that would look like. You'd have lots of different protocols (e.g. SIP, IRC, NNTP) for moving information in different formats. So either you'd need lots of different client programs (e.g. a newsreader, a SIP client, a chat client etc.), or you'd need one program that could do it all (e.g. Seamonkey, formerly Mozilla Suite). The former is not acceptable to end users. You may feel it's more elegant, but end users don't care about elegance. They want to click on one icon and call it "the internet", and no amount of "training" will make it seem any more natural, though you may be able to get them to use it that way; honestly, if they need training, you've already failed. The second option is harder to write and maintain (compared to a web browser), because you now have 10 or 20 different standards to keep track of, instead of just one or two. Honestly, it seems to me that HTTP/HTML is clean and elegant compared to that option. Or perhaps I've misinterpreted you?

Sunbird, unfortunately has been discontinued: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/2010/04/sunbird_10_beta1_now_available.html You can however find its successor, Lightning, as an extension to Thunderbird or SeaMonkey.

SeaMonkey however, is chugging right along. Pace of innovation/features is not what it once was with our relatively small, all-volunteer, community. However we do release on the same schedule, and with the same Gecko Versions as Firefox. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

I'll refrain from a salesman pitch, but if you liked it before, and think its for you, give it a shot, and if not, happy if you keep using what does work for you.

It's a "browser" that integrates email, newsgroups, IRC and a lot of other stuff. Check out www.seamonkey-project.org. Or what that a stab at my design for not explaining clearly enough?