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>WACUP (which can be pronounced as wakeup or wac-up or however you prefer it in your native tongue) is currently under development and is being designed to work only with the patched Winamp 5.666 release as a way to provide bug fixes for it (via live code patching) as well as updates for existing features and most importantly new features for Winamp.
>WACUP consists of new plug-ins to add additional features to Winamp as well as replacement plug-ins to provide better implementations of some of the plug-ins natively included with Winamp (which is one of the benefits of Winamp being heavily based on a plug-in system).
>There is also a loader program which is used to then load the original Winamp program file and which allows for some of the more complex new features to be added (as some older external tools for working with Winamp have done).
Like the other commenters said, you can still use winamp! I would suggest the version that is still getting updates by one of the original winamp devs, WACUP! https://getwacup.com/
If you are looking for an in browser solution, the main webamp site has a milkdrop integration: https://webamp.org/
If you would like to visualizer audio coming from other sites in Chrome you can use my chrome extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/butterchurn-music-visuali/jfdmelgfepjcmlljpdeajbiiibkehnih
For me it's mainly youtube-dl integration, general bug fixes/decoder updates, and the DPI scaling. They need a showcase page really. The changelog is not user friendly. https://getwacup.com/changelog/
I wouldn't recommend older versions since you could be trading new bugs for old bugs. Nullsoft (or whatever's left of them) has effectively abandoned Winamp. You can try WACUP instead https://getwacup.com/, it's the only form of Winamp that's still receiving updates/bugfixes on a regular basis.
I think this recently came up and the problem was related to modern SSL on the feeds, something isn't handled well with old Winamp. WACUP is a modernization of Winamp 5.666 and has updated HTTP handling that is better with this.
You may want to considering using 'Big Bento' instead of 'Bento' as that will increase some of the UI aspects. But the top area you've highlighted is a fixed size so other than using the window scaling options (via the main right-click menu), there's not much else that can be done.
Another possible option is https://getwacup.com/community/index.php/topic,212.0.html which is Bento-like but aims to work better on higher resolution screens & all that fun stuff.
-dro
The site I pointed to may have some of the cPro skins on. If you can let me know the name of the cPro skin you're using from the screenshot then I can see if I've got a copy or ask someone else who is likely to have a copy.
Finally, there is one other way to get the issue resolved but it might not be suitable for you as it involves using my beta update pack (https://getwacup.com/) which applies a number of other fixes that predominantly fix such oddities with modern / cPro skins.
-dro
I'm sorry but imho you're being hood-winked by the lies that they keep putting out. Nothing has apparently been done for months (and when it has been done, it's been odd bits and not continuous as it should have been), they don't want to pay developers or licensing of anything (e.g. waiting for all of the MP3 patents to expire around the world), not having it on product road maps, sending dubious legal threats to users who've done more than they have within the confines of the plug-in system, etc, etc
For the 3 years 'work' seeing as it was halted only a few months after the sale happened (as that's when I was taken off Winamp when I was working for them at the time also on SHOUTcast), I've since heard about what's in the rumoured changelog and tbh I'd be absolutely ashamed of putting it out as a release as it is a disgrace to the name and a massive level of contempt to the remaining users.
I've done so much more in just over a year on my WACUP project (https://getwacup.com/changelog/) out of my own pocket and time than that company have done in its 3 years of tenure.
-dro
Consider giving WACUP a go (can be done as a portable install to make testing easier without messing with an existing install) as it's version of Milkdrop will resolve the desktop mode issue.
-dro
Not quite, I'm an ex-Winamp dev of a few years now (the tag I was given on here probably needs tweaking) so other than the speculation of bugger all being done, I can't say what the current owners may or may not be doing not that they would either.
Though I think it's fair to assume a Windows client isn't on any priority list when what they put out after the "leak" (still hold to them doing it to test the waters) is "not an on-going project" & their new version was only talked about as a mobile focused solution.
As such I'm not at all interested in using anything from the current owners with https://getwacup.com/ now my focus instead for which a replacement in_midi needs to be developed though I was hoping someone else in the community might offer / provide one as I've more than enough on my plate at the moment trying to make WACUP run without using the Winamp core.
Main thing is that you've got a solution for your issue & keeping 2 decades of random crap in my head about Winamp has it's uses still :)
-dro
If they're HTTPS urls then that's the most likely reason for it not working & you can try seeing if plain HTTP urls for the feeds work (it won't help though if the feed only provides HTTPS urls to get the files).
Also 5.666 (& earlier) don't support iTunes urls & it depends on if you're trying to use an RSS or ATOM feed - ATOM feeds also aren't supported (it's not clear at times if a feed link is RSS or ATOM).
However as I use Winamp to manage my podcasts, the limitations with its support annoyed me and it's one of the first things that got fully re-implemented & improved as part of my winamp update pack at https://getwacup.com/ (it's in closed beta but it's easy to find how to get involved with being a beta tester). My replacement plug-in can do HTTP & HTTPS urls (feed & downloads), RSS & ATOM feeds as well as handling iTunes urls.
-dro
5.66x is the current version so old is a bit of a misnomer ;)
I don't plan on making a standalone version of the plug-in and it'll only be included as part of WACUP (my update pack for Winamp that's using the 5.666 release as it's basis - is like a video game mod in using the core game & then changing things).
If you sign-up at https://getwacup.com/community/ and pm 'dro' (mentioning this thread) then when the next WACUP beta build is released (within the next 2 weeks), you'll get beta access so you can give it a go to see if it works for your needs or not (if not I can try and fix things as needed).
-dro
It was a group re-brand with very little to do with winamp other than giving people false hope.
So 'cast' is radionomy/shoutcast (not that shoutcast gets a new logo), 'play' is winamp (with their support person indicating nothing is actively being done on it) and 'sell' relates to targetspot / advertising.
I've speculated what I think might still happen at https://getwacup.com/community/index.php/topic,226.msg1730.html#msg1730 when it comes to Winamp and this new corporate re-branding.
-dro
Other than a handful of people in the time since, most plug-ins were done and left as-is by the early 2000s. A lot of that is because those things generally work for what they need to do and there's no real need to update them (the main thing is normally down to OS changes).
I know my original plug-ins site (where the enhancer wrapper is) needs a complete overhaul but it's time / interest that is an issue (as most of us have). As I want to have things more like my other site (https://getwacup.com/plugins/) but as I want to do coding of that, site updates on the old site don't get done.
But I completely get the point you're making and in an ideal scenario the community would have stayed around and kept doing a lot of things that got people interested in Winamp to begin with and not the twilight that we now appear to be within.
-dro
yeah that was a pretty quick disappointment. I googled spotiamp and it seemed like it was available from a ton of sketchy sites so yeah, F for now. But don't you worry, the guys that are legit reviving Winamp now will probably come up with a plugin to connect it with Spotify at some point.
This is the reason behind doing WACUP (getwacup.com or r/wacup/) though it's still not complete & it's going to take time to replace everything but that's no different than any other media player being created in that it takes time to get things done & right :)
-dro
These guys have kept the most recent version going with common updates, no bloatware.
Admittedly, 2.95 used to be my go-to until they released an unofficial build of 5.666 in 2016... I had no idea they turned it into a full on project and kept up with it all these years though until someone else in this thread mentioned it. Definitely give it a look it you enjoy using winamp.
AVs are unfortunately a necessary evil and they will always wrongly flag stuff that isn't even malicious, even with small indie projects like WACUP it's a major pain in the ass having to deal with the installer or components being flagged
The install requirements for WACUP are covered at https://getwacup.com/preview/#requirements i.e. by you installing it, it will get the bits needed for you if not already present from the 5.666 release that it was based on top of.
Though as the builds have progressed, WACUP gradually uses a lot less of the Winamp files & it's aim is to be a standalone player of it's own right but with a focus on Winamp compatibility (something it can almost do with the current betas where its can run without out the Winamp core but is missing some support for using the 5.666 modern skin engine plug-in).
Putting the now abandoned 5.8 beta over the top of a WACUP install is absolutely not recommended & will make for a mess of an install that will very likely cause crashes.
-dro
The classic base skin is present (just a little bit wacupified vs the 5.666 incarnation) & depending on what you select during installation, you might be shown https://getwacup.com/screenshots/wacup_first_run_skin_selection.png
There's also nothing to stop you changing / adding other skins just like Winamp but you'll have to manually copy new skins into the WACUP/Skins folder for now as there's no attempt for now for WACUP to register as a default file handler (is part of the things not done with it being a preview).
-dro
omg, thanks to that link I now know about WACUP
>WACUP (which can be pronounced as wakeup or wac-up or however you prefer it in your native tongue) is designed to work only with the patched Winamp 5.666 release to provide bug fixes, updates of existing features and most importantly new features with the goal to eventually become it's own highly Winamp compatible media player.
I'm feeling young again
This one? https://getwacup.com/plugins/waveform_seeker/ Because yeah. Make sure to check out the forum's wishlist area. You might see features suggested there plus its got a pretty active beta community.
The most recent update was only done because they needed to get rid of the malware. If you want an actually updated version you need the WACUP community project. It's Winamp but better. https://getwacup.com/
Am guessing it might have been my 3-mode repeat plug-in (an updated version of it is part of WACUP though I don't plan on resurrecting it as a Winamp specific plug-in).
You can if using a classic skin (as seems might be the case if you've only got an on/off option) enable the manual advance option (right-click on the repeat button or use shift+r if the main window is focused) which when repeat is enabled will then repeat the current item.
The same will apply to some modern skins as not all of them support the mode either but most of those types of skin created after 2004/5 will likely have support for 3-mode repeat.
-dro
>WACUP (which can be pronounced as wakeup or wac-up or however you prefer it in your native tongue)
It's right on the website: https://getwacup.com/
I read it aloud as "whack-up".
I think the major factor would be that fewer people are using Winamp to listen to locally stored or streamed music, and instead are getting their music through subscription services. It would be interesting to see MilkDrop built in to Spotify, Pandora, Youtube Music, etc; though, at least Spotify has said "no".
It also doesn't help that Winamp development has completely stalled, so nobody is talking about it anymore. Check out WACUP for a community modified version with newer libraries than the old 5.666/5.8 versions of Winamp.
MilkDrop is open source, and there is a fork with active development (ProjectM) available. I just run that alongside whatever music player I'm actually using, instead of trying to monkey with the 'Line In' tricks in Winamp.
But yeah, it probably is down to a major change in how most people consume music, and lack of specific interest in the visualizer. It's a 'cool add-on' when available, but not the key feature for most people, so it's just been left aside. Which is part of why I reopened this subreddit this year, I just haven't had any time/energy to actually promote it.
1 - Un fork de Winamp ? (y'a une bibliothèque dedans depuis très longtemps) Sinon dans Windows 10 y'a Groove Musique (maintenu) et le Lecteur Windows Media (non maintenu) intégré... 2 - Peut-être via un clic droit sur l'icône du volume -> Son -> Lecture -> Haut-parleurs -> Propriétés -> Améliorations -> Égaliseur ou Environnement (qui changent le mixage sonore selon des paramètres prédéfinis).
seeing this on programs that rely on youtube-dl for playback (WACUP e.g), most work but i hit one instance where it refused to play, trying it a second time made it work again
this is bad, really bad
Since Winamp and WACUP already allow you easily to edit, create, and mashup Milkdrop presets... we have decided to keep NestDrop focused on the act of performing live. Here is a tutorial I created showing how to use Winamp for this purpose.
We are trying to be careful about feature creep and also avoiding features that could be confusing during a live performance. Accidentally finding yourself in an edit menu during a performance would be really confusing and personally my attention bandwidth is already strained while performing. So we try to keep things streamlined.
> I'm using the leaked version of Winamp 5.8 that was released by Nullsoft when they found out
You should be using the version patched by one of the original developers /u/thedoctor_o:
https://www.filehorse.com/download-winamp/19580/
or try WACUP, also by /u/thedoctor_o
Sounds like you're mixing up Winamp core features (search bar, album browser) with skin-specific features (fullscreen, docked toolbar). I guess your safest bet is my Winamp skin Big Bento Modern, I used Bento as a base but improved it in every possible way I could think of. Download at https://getwacup.com/community/index.php?topic=327.msg2379
The legacy desktop scrobbler still can, you can download it from the Track My Music page. You have to install Winamp in its default directory though or copy the Last.fm plugin for Winamp to its plugin directory. This should also work with the new WACUP version of Winamp, at least it does for me.
I hear you.
I don't think anyone had high hopes for the pseudo-revival anyway, and they may still be working on it, but we'll just have to see what happens.
For now, the most modern (and regularly updated) version of Winamp is a community project called WACUP: https://getwacup.com/
If the codec support is there then it probably should work (I've not used the 5.8 beta so I don't know how well it works) but it might just be a bug with their beta build. As most setups should including the decoders though it could also be it doesn't support a specific variation (as there's different levels for the video encodings).
Alternatively you may want to see how a 5.666 install works though that generally locked out h264 support from non-pro versions but a quick "ProFit4Consumption.txt" search will help you deal with that.
A final option would be to see if WACUP fares any better as test install as that does things a bit differently to 5.666 with video playback & may or may not work better.
-dro
Would you be ok if we provide this as an optional download for users to install from within WACUP ?
I know the presets generally allow doing whatever with them but as you've put in a lot of time & effort on this, I just don't want to add an option for WACUP users without first making sure there's appropriate credit to you for having curated things.
-dro
You'll need WACUP for the best experience possible and extract this zip file and put it in the Skins folder of WACUP, load the skin (C:\Program Files (x86)\WACUP\Skins, or where ever you installed it) and open the "Ryuko and Satsuki Visualizer" window by clicking on the icon at the top left
Get either of Victhor's modern skins, they are adapted to larger resolutions:
There's still a demand for a "traditional" local media player which is some of the reasoning behind me doing https://getwacup.com/ but Winamp as it was is imho dead & buried at this point (nor could I trust the current owners to do anything other than sully it's name further).
Streaming has massively changed things but the locking down of it & making it hard for Windows programs to access things with the focus all on mobile (e.g. spotify & they're deprecated Windows support library) does make it harder but its still possible.
-dro
Winamp won't handle it as its podcast plug-in doesn't support HTTPS urls. You could try with a plain HTTP url but a lot of podcasts are moving towards HTTPS & having to remember to change the url isn't the best solution plus it doesn't guarantee that the episode urls within the feed will be HTTP & I've seen a lot that hard-code HTTPS urls now).
Its why I re-wrote the podcast plug-in under WACUP (a heavily modified Winamp 5.666) to deal with such things :)
-dro
The problem is that the web page that 5.666 or earlier or the 5.8 beta are being made to show don't integrate with the hooks that the online services plug-in provides. It's due to that which is causing the issue & unless you've got PLS playlist files correctly associated with the Winamp install than you're going to have such issues.
I couldn't put up with that so I coded a native (non-web browser) based library view as part of WACUP which has the benefit of doing play/enqueue/enqueue & play/drag & drop without having to worry about the program being setup to file association handling (e.g. https://getwacup.com/images/ml_radio_view_example.png).
-dro
Obviously the wrong thing you did was to install Winamp 5.8 (and the fact that radionomy intentionally made that feature become really useless in the online services thing)
What you should do is to install WACUP, a community managed project run by dro who has added a ton of features and provides a good amount of bugfixes as well, even the Online Services thing you're experiencing
There's a community upkeep project for Winamp at https://getwacup.com/
It doesn't update the core code, but because Winamp was based around a plugin design, they keep loads of stuff up to date through that method.
I'm going to put this out there but WACUP even in a preview state can offer what you're wanting. Via the Playlist File Remover plug-in included with it that can allow you to remove files as they're played until everything is played & then it'll reload the playlist or can run a library query (has a range of options for such scenarios).
Alternatively if you're not modifying the playlist after playback begins but you're opening & closing the program at times, it can preserve the shuffle table between instances which is the main reason people experience repeat plays of files as no version of Winamp will preserve that.
Another option is to send the whole playlist to the the playback queue via a Ctrl+A followed by Shift+R within the main playlist editor as long as the JTFE plug-in has been installed & that will then play through things in a randomised order without messing with the order within the playlist (it's a different take on using shuffle but you can more easily see what's going on).
The other approach is to not use shuffle & just pre-randomise the playlist & play that through in order.
Another thing is that you can mark certain files to be excluded from playback under WACUP so even if they appear in the main playlist, they should then be skipped over which can be useful if there's definite files that shouldn't be played but want to be left in the library, etc.
So there's options & if you must then you might be able to find pre-WACUP versions of my plug-ins but there's no guarantee nor any support from me that they'll work on such an old Winamp version.
-dro
While we wait for the inevidable release of nothingness and empty promises all around, why not give WACUP a shot?
It receives updates, supports many more formats out of the box (nothing like the bloat of VLC, we don't like that) and still receives some awesome skins, even if it's slow...
The love and care WACUP receives really says something about the stability about the program, it all feels much more smoother whilst receiving new features and bug fixes along the way.
That was never a native Winamp feature & would most likely have been via my 'Playlist File Remover' plug-in.
I don't provide a standalone version of that plug-in any more (note: all of the versions out there have different issues depending on the Winamp version being used) & instead only support it in an updated form as included with WACUP (https://getwacup.com/).
-dro
WACUP WinAmp Community Update Pack
>Get new features and bug fixes for your patched Winamp 5.666 release from those who care about keeping Winamp alive and whippin' via new & replacement plug-ins.
As a follow-up on this, I've been working on the following https://getwacup.com/images/internet_radio_returns.png over the last few days to get back to something more like the 2.9x/early 5.x internet radio view (which will be included in the next WACUP beta build).
-dro
Everything in the changelogs at https://getwacup.com/changelog/ answers the first question along with what has been mentioned on the blog posts, etc. tldr; it replaces a lot of the plug-ins from 5.666 (as was always possible to do).
I was planning on keeping it all to myself & never letting anyone have a 'final' version of it... :P
-dro
Disclaimer: I do not speak for Dr. O and am not affiliated with wacup or winamp.
Winamp is NOT dead people! https://getwacup.com/ If anyone still using winamp is looking for updated information regarding is development please follow that link, especially if you have a background in software development and wish to help contribute if possible.
What will be provided at https://getwacup.com/ is like a plug-in pack but on steriods (dunno if anyone remembers the old 'Winamp Essentials' pack which is the spiritual origin of WACUP). However at the moment there isn't a public download of that update pack other than via an easy to join closed beta :)
-dro