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I believe (not sure) that is a picture of the steel-framed skyscraper in Spain (Venezuela?) that had a multi-floor office fire that burned out of control for ~~days~~ a day. Needless to say, the building did not collapse, and certainly not at near-freefall speeds.

Edit: It's interesting to do some reading about this again after newsens pointed it out. The Wikipedia article clearly emphasizes (including saying it was "Destroyed"; something not featured in other Wikipedia entries about imploded buildings) the partial collapse more than other sources.

Not to disturb the America-centric navelgazing here, just to point out that it is too often forgotten that 9/11 caused, 10 years after the fall of the iron curtain and the demise of the Soviet Empire, the first and only casus foederis of the NATO according to Article 5. The implications are huge, because it pulled a lot of other countries - all of NATO-land, to be specific - into the never-ending "war on terror".

At a recent press conference, a speaker for the government of the Federal Republic of Germany made clear unmistakably that "the objective [of the mandate in Syria] is the war on terror", in direct contradiction to centuries of Philosophy of War (James Clavell's foreword to Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" comes to mind: the true object of war is peace). (I am a peace-loving person, call me a tree-hugger, but I am not a pacifist)

You mentioned the surveillance state (thought history after the Third Reich and 40 years of socialist regime in East Germany; the resistance was/is stronger than in the Netherlands, for example, but the accepteance is creeping in with Facebook and Whatsapp); but America's allies have been implicated in the justification of torture as well - if only by allowing rendition flights through their airspace.

And do we really think that the intelligence agencies of France, Great Britain, Germany, Spain, Sweden etc pp know not fully well that 9/11 was a false flag? Dr. Angela Dorothea Kasner-Merkel is a physicist, ffs, and wrote her thesis on quantum decay processes. For a lawyer like Schröder to be duped, that would have been forgivable. But Merkel, who studied in the GDR? (Meanwhile, skeptopaths had no better thing to do than make fun of engineer Ahmadinedjad who called the BS.)

Forgive my rant, which aims at including "international" to the call for a new, independent investigation of the crime of 9/11.

Yeah I happen to have copies of some of the statements.
A newspaper managed to obtain them after several years fighting for them under a FOIA request and made them available.
Every surviving fireman was 'debriefed', but more like counselling.
They were not asked any questions, they were brought into a room and just asked to talk, and it was all written down, possibly recorded - who knows.
Anyway, here are some of the statements.
I haven't read these since then, and not even now, but Karin Deshore springs to mind.
http://www.filedropper.com/911-firemenreports

I agree that he/she has misspelled "analysis" occasionally but most of the time it's being used in the plural where "analyses" is correct.

But "jsut"... that's a new one on me. I don't think I've ever seen anyone else do that.

then, by that measure, it's really, really freaking weird. Most flights were at least 60% filled in 2001, but these were from 30% (Flights 77 and 175) to 18% (flight 93).

I've never been on a commercial airliner that as 80% empty. If this webpage is accurate, and to be honest, I don't know that it is, then more people cancelled the flight than actually flew.

It's comment threads like this that make truthers a running joke out in the real world.

We have two conflicting observations, but you only accept the one that confirms your theories, even though it doesn't actually prove anything about your overall demolition story.

Once truthers stop pretending to be scientists, and actually do real science, someone might take them seriously...I think it's probably a little too late for that, though.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ae911truth.org

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/foxnews.com

I'd put them in a compare link for you, but you can't see ae911 on the graph when you put...well, basically any other site

But he can offer plenty of reasons the official story doesn't hold up.

For starters, I doubt the 19 hijackers had a shit tonne of military-issue demolitions charges.

As I said, maybe to someone else, there is no conjecture, I don't see accusations anywhere, just a whole lot of reasons the official story is BS. So ask yourself - "Would the US Governmnet BS the story on purpose, thereby weakening their case for war?" or is it more likely that the facts don't add up simply because they fabricated most of it? I'm going with Occam's Razor.

>Why this sub is quarantined ?

Reddit is partnered with the Atlantic Council to “combat misinformation”. Numerous Bush admin 9/11 insiders are on the board of directors of the Atlantic Council

https://rumble.com/vleq6v-facebooks-partner-the-atlantic-council-5-frightening-facts.html

>What’s not gone is Libya’s oil. The nation still sits on about 41 billion barrels of oil, ranking its reserves first in Africa and ninth in the world.

>Most of it is high-quality crude in close proximity to Europe. It is hands-down the one asset that put Libya on the modern world map.

>Libya was pumping about 1.6 million barrels of oil a day before the March revolt shut down its exports. Production has gradually ramped up as the fighting died down and workers could be safely sent in to repair damaged or neglected facilities. Meanwhile, Libya’s National Transitional Council has assured the industry that they’ll honor existing production licenses and delivery contracts. At least for now.

>So what’s this mean for the oil market? Since 1.6 million barrels per day is less than 2% of global demand, it’s not likely to have a huge impact on oil prices. Except in Europe. That’s because about 85% of Libya’s oil goes to European refiners. Restoring Libyan oil exports should eventually shrink the price spread between North Sea Brent Blend, Europe’s benchmark crude, and West Texas Intermediate, the U.S. benchmark.

Read the rest

Nah - it can't be about oil...

September 11, 2001: Air Threat and DDO Conference Transcripts

Starting on page 20 it's not exactly clear what happens to Flight 93. Interesting responses from the Air Force. What's blanked out?

These poor people. Sure, there might be a few bad apples...I might be too if my father was tortured and killed by the people who took my house and farm. For a solid collection of atrocities against Palestinians, check out Beyond Chutzpah, a rebuttal against Alan The-Case-For-Israel Dershowitz.

Interesting. Thanks. Also interesting:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/world/middleeast/iran-tehran-building-collapse.html?referer=android-app://com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox

> Masoumeh Abad, a member of the Tehran City Council, said tenants of the building had been warned “at least 20 times” that maintenance was needed, the semiofficial news agency Fars reported. But local news outlets suggested that the municipality had been lax in carrying out safety regulations.

Much more info is needed though.

I wonder if some of that is them discussing shooting down Flight 93...after that it looks like Dick Cheney is trying to have confirmed that Flight 93 was shot down.

I also found this interview about the orders from VP:

“shoot down authority came verbally from VP over conference call” (page 6)

https://www.scribd.com/doc/241754172/2012-042-Larson-Release-Document-25-pdf

>"Were the Soviet Union to sink tomorrow under the waters of the ocean, the American military–industrial complex would have to remain, substantially unchanged, until some other adversary could be invented. Anything else would be an unacceptable shock to the American economy.” (emphasis added)

--George F. Kennan in his preface to Norman Cousins's 1987 book The Pathology of Power.

Kennan was present at meetings in DC after WWII which were to shape the CIA and held at James Forrestal’s house...Kennan the Kremlinologist then went about his duty by writing the “Long Telegram” and his “X Article” which helped whip the U.S. into a frenzy and create the Truman Doctrine...eventually, in 1989, Kennan was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by...you guessed it...GHW Bush. Even more interesting is that Kennan’s quote is derivative of one which John Stockwell made:

>In 1980, Stockwell said that "if the Soviet Union were to disappear off the face of the map, the United States would quickly seek out new enemies to justify its own military-industrial complex."[6] http://wikispooks.com/wiki/John_Stockwell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Kennan

This is just a good summary and introduction to the evidence. Christopher Bollyn has done the lions share of dot connecting, so if you're interested, go look him up. He literally wrote the book on Israel's involvement.

> Why would they warn them? If it were me I'd just record the whole thing and make sure I had enough dirt on the perps to keep me safe.

Like the fake OBL videos? Yeah, that's what I thought.

> p.s the dancing israelis said they were there to document the event.. where is their video, pictures etc..? Wouldn't it be damning if it existed?

Collected as evidence, and shipped off to Israel afterwards along with the suspects. No way they would ever let us see that shit.

> that wasn't israel.. zionists maybe, but not necessarily jewish

http://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

Look here for all the evidence you need. Israeli dual citizens, Mossad, Zionists, they all had a hand in this.

This may not be the whole truth, but sounds quite likely. However, this is not a site I would link to when forwarding this, and this saying sees to be presented only at dubious places.

Any strongly reliable source available?

It's interesting that on the amazon page for the show there are comments published way after the WTC NIST report came out (in 2005) that still hold this up as a great engineering explanation and something to use to argue against "conspiracy theorists".

https://www.amazon.com/NOVA-Towers-Exclusive-Investigation-Collapse/dp/B000067A3R#customerReviews

Sad how uninformed people are. They're quite happy to defend any fake and obsolete explanation as long as it has the stamp of approval of the 'proper' authorities on it.

911 Truth Commission

People would be more willing and less fearful of adopting the views of 911 Truth activists if they felt they were calling for forgiveness rather than retribution and punishment.

The peace movement should call for granting amnesty from prosecution and guarantee of an ample, lifetime pension to anyone who agrees to testify on their roles in the events of 9/11, extending this offer to any members of the US government, foreign governments and/or terrorist groups involved in the planning or execution of the attacks of that day.

Additionally, individuals should step forward and volunteer to spend time working with those who give testimony on crimes they have committed so that they might be reintegrated into society.

Instead of executing Nazi war criminals we should have devoted all the human resources available to us to rehabilitating them, awakening in them awareness of the nature of their actions so that they could have come to understand that they must make amends. If they had remained alive they would have been a living testament to the transformative powers of forgiveness.

Historians and psychologists especially should come out in favor of preserving invaluable study material in the form of the opportunity to converse with the authors of unfortunate historical deeds.

We must find a solution to the existing state of affairs that would be acceptable to both the accusers and the accused. It should solve the problem it sets out to solve without creating additional problems. It should present itself as an ethical means to an ethical end.

In "The Art of War", Sun Tzu said never to surround an enemy. If you do not leave him an out, he will fight to the last man.

For an interesting discussion of these ideas please see (and expand the comments) three posts by “John Stan” here: http://www.opednews.com/a/3...

> I believe the government understands very well the phenomenon of cognitive dissonance and could accurately predict that the majority of citizens would believe what they were told in the aftermath regardless of counter-evidence.

If you haven't already, read Naomi Klein - The Shock Doctrine, then you don't have to believe: you know that the phenomenon of mass hypnosis induced by shock and national trauma is well understood and frequently exploited.

This is when you point them to the WTC Building Plans on Archive.org.

Surely, examining the blueprints, one would recognize the central columns and cross bracing surrounding the elevator shafts. Should prove no problem when engaging in a conversation with such a "learned" man.

The June 1 instruction's requirement that, in response to hijackings, "requests for DOD assistance" should be forwarded "to the secretary of defense for approval" wasn't in fact new. The predecessor to this instruction--CJCSI 3610.01--from July 31, 1997, similarly stated that in the event of a hijacking, "The NMCC will monitor the situation and forward all requests or proposals for DOD military assistance for aircraft piracy (hijacking) to the secretary of defense for approval."

The earlier instruction is online here: https://web.archive.org/web/20060512090521/http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01.pdf

According to tineye.com this image exists nowhere else on the internet.

https://tineye.com/search/617bdcbfaef385d402094cac72f9cf78edc5dc52/

Unless you can show us a source other than your own upload to Reddit then I have to remove this as a troll post. The fact that another of your accounts /u/LightBringerFlex is known to us here and has been suspended by the Reddit admins does not help your cause.

Rules 5 & 9. Removed.

FWIW, you can find copied PDF versions of it online somewhere. Either way, it's a worthwhile read.

Make sure you take the time to ponder his importance of Ukraine in attacking/destabilizing/controlling Russia. It'll do much to explain our overthrowing the Ukrainian government twice in the past decade and our present actions there.

I'm not asking you to "divine the actual conspiracy plan" (perhaps astrology would be more effective?), you missed/dodged my point entirely. Why not reread and actually respond to what I said concerning those four steps?

>fire induced free fall

Since it's already reasonable to believe that fires could have caused a global, progressive collapse, the real question is whether progressive collapse could lead to free-fall. But both a controlled demolition AND a fire-induced global failure would result in a progressive collapse, neither having greater explanatory power of the observed rate of the collapse.

Even ignoring the other things I said in my previous post concerning how rapid collapse is reasonable (negligible resistance = basically free fall), we have no reason to reject the fire-induced collapse over the demolition conspiracy theory. I could have just as easily used your reasoning to "rule out" the controlled demolition theory.

>And best I can tell nobody has managed to publicly produce anything of the sort, eh?

Not for WTC 7, to my knowledge. As for the towers, yes, such as: https://archive.org/stream/WTC-REPORT-GREENING#page/n0/mode/2up

Plus, similar plausibility considerations (e.g. controlled demolition hypothesis has no greater explanatory power for the rate of collapse).

"As a result, the reaction of the low density nanothermite composite leads to a fast propagating combustion, generating shock waves with Mach numbers up to 3."

I read Dr. Wood's book and you obviously have not done so. How sad that you would rather be ignorant of the compelling, overwhelming, and conclusive evidence Dr. Wood presents. As I said before, "Those that choose to focus on hearsay, speculation, conspiracy theories, or unqualified opinions while ignoring irrefutable factual evidence by avoiding it is what keeps a cover-up in place."

For those who don’t like the lie behind door #1 (19 bad guys), they present you the lie behind door #2 (Richard Gage's thermite). Then, if you don’t like the lie behind door #2, you are offered the lie behind door #3. (James Fetzer's nukes) Any lie is okay with them as long as it keeps people from looking at the evidence Dr. Wood presents. This is why “thermite” is okay with those promoting “mini-nukes,” and why “mini-nukes” is okay with those promoting “thermite”.

https://vgy.me/NiTnPC.jpg

Do you know how many research papers there are available on 9/11?

I don't. But I do know that one academic database named Pro Quest, contains over 300,000 research papers in relation to the World Trade Centre and 64,000 ebooks.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=uo3ys&s=8#.U5vA4vlw4_Y

That's just one academic database, of which there are thousands in existence from thousands of academic publishing companies.

So I cannot except that most, if not all, are "poorly researched opinion pieces with absolutely no actual evidence".

You cannot possibly know that. No one can, surly?

>Do you really think any economist actually thinks going back to gold would be a good idea? I think maybe Ron PAul just has a massive stash of gold somewhere he's pissed he never got to use. There's certainly no economic benefit.

there is really nothing to be gained from reading your regurgitated tripe, but the above is a good example of why nobody takes the Ron Paul haters seriously. thats NOT an intelligent argument against the Gold Standard.

why not dig yourself out of debt, then come back and tell the rest of us how money works?

i recommend financial peace university.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=financial%20peace%20university

Thanks. Any study that can be reproduced would need to list the name of the (industry-standard) software used in the study and would need to make available all input data used in configuration.

Lots of people have seen the 5:00 pm Jane Standley clip. It's curious. But have you seen her appearance 3 hours later? Even more curious. Why is she the only reporter on the BBC that day that experienced "satellite timing"-twice- when speaking about WTC7 (Solomon building)?

Jane Standley live on BBC 8 pm EST 9/11/01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsqAHhTWEH0

Archive of full day BBC coverage (and other networks)
https://archive.org/details/911/day/20010911#/

What critical files are missing, exactly? What are .apdl files? As best I can find, these appear to be computer animation files from ANSYS: http://www.ansys.com/Products/Simulation+Technology/Structural+Analysis/ANSYS+Mechanical

Admittedly, I do not have the software or knowledge to verify or assess this.

firstly, the 'potato' you referred to is not a potato. if you read the description, you will see that the bullet used was not a potato: "My spud gun finally penetrated metal. Bullet was very simple. The barrel of the gun is 2" PVC, so I bought 1.5" PVC and built it up with duct tape to make it fit the 2" barrel fairly tight. I filled the center with crumbled up newspaper (you will see me pulling paper out of the hole the bullet makes in my car). The 'casing' of the bullet (the 1.5" PVC) was intact after the hits. Pretty cool that it could bust a hole in the metal like that."

now.. if you have not seen the blackout frames then you have not seen the forensic analysis that has been done on the feed, which means i'm not clear on how you are going to comment accurately on the shape of the alleged nosecone. for reference, here is a slightly cheesy video made on the topic: https://www.ureka.org/videos/watch/7234/analysis-of-mainstream-video-footage-of-911-reveals-manipulation-techniques

and here is a shorter videos covering some of the same material, including numerous witnesses on the day stating that there definitely were no planes and that the explosions were caused by bombs: https://www.ureka.org/videos/watch/11040/911-no-plane-witnesses-proof-theory-rip-your-psychological-operation

i am not 'attached' to the 'no planes' idea, but these points need to be in conscious awareness, for the full details to be known.