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Pretty normal for static bearings. You can put stuff like Cat Crap on the ball and it'll help deflect hand crud, but it's just the nature of the beast.
The L-Trac has mechanical rollers (no static bearings), so there's no buildup.
There is a small nub directly in front of the ball, pad it up with a piece of low friction tape. Still rattles in some orientations because the ball can't be a perfect sphere, and has four points of contact in some orientations, but better than hearing a distracting click every time the cursor is moved up.
Tape used: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F3QTDH7
Also tried some 5 mil UHMW tape and that was too thick compared to the 5 mil fabric-based PTFE tape pictured.
Interesting concept.
First thing that comes to mind is that at that angle, not much is holding in the actual ball.
Assuming you're gonna thumbball it with something already existing, my first guess would be to work around the mx570
If you want a straight drop in like in your render, turns out you can order this trackball part from China. You'd have to wire and program for it yourself though.
I have not used the slim blade, but reading the review they have here, it reads like like he never uses a trackball and just prefers mice. He especially brings up RSI a lot as the only reason to use a trackball; plenty of users simply prefer a trackball regardless of any wrist pain (which I rarely get with mice).
I would also take point with facts like this ...
> Conveniently, the software also keeps a record of which Web sites you've zoomed into, even if you navigate away from the page.
I believe it will be his browser which is doing that, since it is standard in browsers. Not the Kensington drivers.
I would advise using reviews from other sources than CNet.
That's a 10 pin ribbon cable. One of the ones in this set might work:
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Switch-Ribbon-Replacement-Controller/dp/B08PDG18LW
I was just browsing Amazon and came across this thumb trackball. I assume it's pretty new, never seen it before.
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Looks a bit like an M570 but not exactly the same. Not sure if it's a rebranded item or an original Amazon design. If Amazon decide to do a finger trackball it'll be interesting.
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It's listed as out of stock at the moment on the UK site. Price is £28.49
The Kensington Orbit with scroll ring is pretty inexpensive, sounds like a good fit for you. The scroll ring is really awesome to flick with your ring finger, and the ball was the right size for me (it's not huge or tiny). I just wish they made a wireless version the same size and gave it a third button ( if you need middle click, you have to click left and right simultaneously).
It's only $30 on Amazon and there's a 15% off coupon available (at least when I looked).
Kensington Orbit Trackball Mouse with Scroll Ring (K72337US) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002OOWB3O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_WguQAbWXNCMA7
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perrix makes this one. it has adjustable stand so you can get an angle like the ergo
I have a logitech red ball from the older corded version of that. Found it on CL and just took the ball out.
There's also a red one that they sell on Amazon that fits: https://smile.amazon.com/Perixx-34-Trackball-Glossy-Compatible/dp/B071NX7Y2J/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1525723554&sr=8-5&keywords=trackball+ball+replacement&dpID=31wTPNWmyUL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
It's a Termux Arch ARM P-Root (https://github.com/termux/proot-distro) with XFCE installed! I forward the X server to an android app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=x.org.server) and it runs like a charm. Touch support is meh but with a stylus or trackball it's great.
Just FYI, that price tag is msrp. Amazon is currently selling it for ¥6853 which is roughly $60
here's the link to Amazon Japan
I didn't look for the wireless version but it should be no more than $10 more.
Now the question is: to get a wired or wireless trackball.. mostly used for gaming, but the freedom of wireless is nice. Oh the decisions!
Edit: link not working due to Japanese characters. Just google it, and you'll see the price tag. Also, it comes out on 7/22/17
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZKL66GY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_arZpFbTW0C5ZE
There’s this Elecom though it looks like it’s being affected by the Corona Inventory crush still. I can vouch that it’s really high quality and comfortable to use.
See my review here.
https://reddit.com/r/Trackballs/comments/fm9cbo/elecom_relacon_first_impressions/
Logitech M570 Trackball and an $11 tablet stand from Anker.
Yes.
I dont know how to do it, but my son makes me a game specific Auto Hot Key script for games that require a scroll wheel to zoom.
https://autohotkey.com/docs/Tutorial.htm
But you have to start it up before each session.
Without a driver you're only going to get 5 buttons out of a mouse. Unfortunately the Fn1 and Fn2 keys are mouse6 and mouse7. They aren't doing diddly squat without Elecom Mouse Assistant installed. The keys don't even output a scancode or anything that could be interpreted by something like AHK without the driver.
The only way this is going to work is to find/write a driver for chromeos, or stick an (32u4 only) arduino or similar device between the trackball and the pc to see if there is anything being output you could pick up and convert it into a keystroke of some sort using keyboard emulation (keyboard.h is already built into 32u4 arduino).
I think Kensington later released software that lets you remap the buttons in Windows (I'm a Linux user, so haven't tried the Slimblade in Windows).
> Toggling between three modes complicates work flow
I didn't even know those modes existed, I just use it like a regular trackball.
> expensive
Yes, it is.
> lacks Bluetooth
A corded trackball shouldn't be too big of an issue compared to a corded push mouse.
> can't customize buttons or alter trackball sensitivity
Again, I think they released updated software (a Windows user would need to verify). The buttons on mine are remapped and sensitivity set during PC bootup.
> large footprint
Yes, probably slightly larger than most trackballs but still less space than a mouse would need.
I have the Elecom M-XT3DRBK Thumb actuated trackball mouse. It has synthetic ruby bearings and just like you and oh, sooo many others, I swapped my stock ball for my old Logitech M570 ball. It was definitely an upgrade. . . That being said, my movement was pretty rough when I first got it. I immediately applied a dry film PTFE lubricant to the bearings and guides as I discuss on reddit. Still it took 2-3 days to completely break-in. Now, it's like butter baby!
To speak to your sensitivity issue, I have the acceleration set to .5 (a bigger number is faster. like 1.2 is jerky fast) and the sensitivity set to 1700 DPI. Which is 100 DPI higher than the Elecom's proprietary mouse management software will let you go, which is 1600 DPI. I use SteerMouse, a Japanese aftermarket universal mouse management software that allows granular adjustment of your input device settings, such as utilizing the optical sensor's full design spec of ~2000 DPI. That is why I am able to set my sensitivity to 1700 DPI. I would just set yours to your models maximum and fiddle with the acceleration until you like it.
I had some bits of foam rubber drawer liner and attached it with double-sided tape, has held up pretty well.
I used these rubber stackable doorstops from amazon to prop up my Kensington Expert at the angle I wanted. Maybe give those a try!
u/Cfarvidson you should order some https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F3QTDH7/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_PY1DCDEDPVEWJ9C171MC?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Put two small pieces on the front ball retainer. It eliminates the ball hop for the most part.
Silicone Adhesive Dots can be had to provide grip for it. A lot of items will say for cabinets and the like but its not like it won't work. Just make sure to buy the small ones. I bought a pack of these and put them on various stuff including keyboards.
I have the wired version (520) of the wireless Perixx 720 and I like it more than the M570. I haven't tried the 720 version but maybe someone can comment how they like it, if it has any Bluetooth/wireless issues, etc.
The DPI on the wired 520 does feel higher than the M570 (in the description they list the Perixx 720 as having "600/1600 Adjustable DPI Level ") and the ball movement is quite smooth, which I guess makes sense since a lot of the colored aftermarket balls people buy are from Perixx.
You can buy the Logitech Trackman Marble for really little, four buttons, no scroll, wired, but does the job and is really neat. I am currently using mine in my emulation station because you don't really need to scroll for that.
Check out the Elecom trackballs. Prices have REALLY come down since I bought mine, I think I paid $70 or $80 for the wired version.
Amazon says it supports a dongle, bluetooth, and a wired connection. All in the same model.
I do hate to spoil the pricing fun, but a brand new X-Keys L-Trac with the glowing ball and scroll is $150 from Amazon.
But, hey, if you want put it up on ebay to see how much you get for it, that's cool. Might be some folks outside the US that'd be interested, if you use ebay's international ship program.
i used the mx570 for a while, then i used a sanwa: https://www.amazon.com/SANWA-Supply-Trackball-Mouse-MA-TB39R/dp/B0042UINCG/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=sanwa+wired+trackball&qid=1553640434&s=electronics&sr=1-1-catcorr (the one i got was silver, and i used two of these - the trackball started sticking even after cleaning on the one i kept).
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i almost returned it, but wound up keeping the logitech mx ergo trackball. it's a worthwhile upgrade, but you're a lot better off using the unifying receiver than bluetooth (at least with my setup). the ergo has these...pads? that are magnetically attached that adjust the angle your hand rests at. the only thing i think would be more comfortable is a split keyboard with a trackball right by my thumb (looking at you, ultimate hacking keyboard that hasn't shipped the trackball module yet).
If you looking for a solution on windows, AutoHotKey might be your best bet. Not sure how good you are with coding though. It's software that was designed for making macros and gives a huuge amount of control over how your input devices behave. I'm certain there is a way to rotate a trackpad with it.
Edit: I looked around on google quickly, I think I found the AutoHotKey code that would give you the solution: https://autohotkey.com/board/topic/38492-swap-mouse-x-and-y-axis/ I think the code in the very last post is what you want, but I haven't tested it
just for everyones info in case they search, this is the way to do it on windows. completely agnostic of your device. the only potential issue i have run into with it is virtual machines and RDP sessions, which is fixed by installing this software there. https://autohotkey.com/board/topic/55289-dragtoscroll-universal-drag-flingflick-scrolling/
as for linux, you should be able to get rudimentary functionality by emulating a simultanious left and right click as a middle click, and mapping that to scroll like on windows rather than the copy/paste buffer. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9973/configuring-mouse-for-rightleft-button-simulating-middle-click-for-copy-paste
I had similar issues with scrolling too. Finally, I removed the Kensington software and I now use Mos (it's for Mac OS) to fine tune the scrolling.
I’m not using BTT, but a kind redditor suggested using steermouse when I posted about having similar Mac troubles. It recognizes the elecome huge with no problems, and supports all sorts of cool shortcuts for all its buttons.
I found a backup of your former GH wiki tutorial on the Wayback Machine here: https://web.archive.org/web/20120528162259/http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:8810
That has some pics missing from your Imgur albums, showing exactly which solder pads to use for buttons 4 and 5; these are clearly labeled SW4 and SW5 on the right-hand topside of the PCB.
I've read that CST's config software supports inversion of the mouse axes, so that would allow turning the case 180° (putting the sloped end pointing away from you, scroll wheel towards you), in which case I'd cut into that sloped palm rest to add the extra buttons there. I gather the buttons are "hinged" at the bottom (palm rest) end with the actual switches mounted towards the top (scroll wheel) end, so this rotated orientation could also make the buttons easier to click for some. Of course, this would probably only be comfortable if you put it on a keyboard tray below armrest height, so your forearms are supported by chair armrests and don't need to rest heavily on the trackball body itself.
https://autohotkey.com/board/topic/55289-dragtoscroll-universal-drag-flingflick-scrolling/
i used to use this on a 2 button kensington orbit. just had it setup to hold right click and fling the ball. works really really well.
Sure! You'll find it on Amazon.de as well ;-)
Ach was, ist deiner im Zoll hängen geblieben? Da hab ich wohl Glück gehabt - Kam ohne weiteres per Post.
Out of curiosity (sorry this is a little off topic): is there much of a difference between Zr02 and Si3N4? Would these work on Kensington trackballs? I've read that they are 2mm bearings.
I don't know about the bearings, but I did get the Perixx and I'm happy with the upgrade. Also, I use a Turtle Wax's ceramic spray coating to keep the ball smooth. Daily application works best.
Just amazon, I like these:
https://www.amazon.com/Kailh-GM-4-0-Mouse-Switches/dp/B08K9FSSLH/
For the Perixx balls, they make mediocre mice, but they have amazing balls:
https://www.amazon.com/Perixx-18021-PERIPRO-303GR-Trackball-Compatible/dp/B071NX7Y2J/
A bit more than me. I went through the same Kensington Expert trackball (+ 3D Printed riser), an Adesso T50, which is nicer in some ways and worse in others, and finally settled on the Logitech MX Ergo.
I find the MX Ergo (fully tilted), is easiest on my wrist when I need to do some mousing.
My primary keyboard is a Thinkpad Keyboard w/ Trackpoint (USB, recently replaced with wireless), so if I need to do some mousing while typing, I don't need to move my hands.
Regarding the scrolling steps, if you like you can configure the trackball to use the ball to scroll instead of the wheel. You would hold down one of the buttons (you should be able to configure it to use any button) and then move the ball to scroll, that's kind of similar to the inertia on the scroll wheel. That's what many people do with the Logitech Trackman Marble, since it doesn't have a scroll wheel or scroll ring.
There are a few ways this can be done in Linux, the Arch wiki lists some.
Here is a glossy red, and they also make a matte red:
Perixx Peripro-303GR Small Trackball, 1.34 Inches Replacement Ball for Perimice and M570, Glossy Red (18021) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071NX7Y2J/
Some signs point to it, although I hope that's not the case since that's what I'm using right now. Someone recently posted in this sub that Logitech customer support told them a few months ago that it was being discontinued, so they weren't able to send out a replacement unit (they offered to send them an M570 instead). A couple days ago some big sales started on the Marble on the major online websites (it's currently $16.99 on Amazon). Amazon stopped selling it yesterday but are now selling it again (and they say the wait time for one is 2 months), so I'm not sure what's going on.
Absolutely, the more the merrier! Here's the product page where I asked the question
For real. Let's start a petition to name this color "royal #kingshit purple"
i bought this one, do you just take those 2 screws out to change the bearings?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DMF2DNW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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are all mouse bearings 2.5mm?
Nice caps. I have seen plenty of beige-colored trackballs when I was browsing for one but they are all vintage things on ebay with no scroll option. I'm not sure if you could mod them..
The silver orbit is not discontinued on Amazon, but beware that it doesn't have a scroll ring, although I'm sure there's a ball-scroll mod in guides somewhere.
And you can always opt for the silver Expert.
Well I feel silly now. Thanks for translating the page for me. IT seems they have it on the US amazon page too.
Just to give you a heads up, consider a pointing stick. Also known as a nipple mouse, it looks like a little rubber nipple you put a finger on. It requires barely any movement (And I mean absolutely tiny amounts of movement, most people would not even be able to tell your finger or thumb was moving) and is quite accurate.
Thinkpads are famous for having one in the middle of their keyboards. Indeed, Lenovo do standalone keyboards with them for desktop PC's as well. Here is an Amazon UK link to one, it is what appears to be a tiny red button in the middle of the keyboard.
There are also medical devices that you can get that work in the exact same way, but probably a lot pricier.
This stuff. It's tricky to use, you don't need a clear coat, and you don't need more than maybe 1 or 1 1/2 coats. Otherwise the gloss look disappears and you can't get it back. It's really weird.
Sounds like the enamel or whatever on the outside of the ball has worn down probably. I’d just buy a new ball. You can buy the 34mm balls on Amazon and eBay.
Lots of people here use these: https://www.amazon.com/Perixx-18021-PERIPRO-303GR-Trackball-Compatible/dp/B071NX7Y2J
I would recommend it.
Out of the box it feels okay but it never gets smooth smooth. The process is pretty simple and takes about 15 minutes but after you'll notice the difference. I've been rocking a modded one for almost a year now with no issues.
This video shows you how to do it and what bearings to buy. I ended up getting these bearings off Amazon.
Kensington Expert Mouse? There's a wired version for cheaper. I picked up one recently to complement a MX Ergo. The Kensington has a bigger ball and its clicks aren't particularly quiet but it meets your other requirements. I've had this for a week and I've settled into a comfy grip with LMB on thumb, RMB on pinky, MMB on ring finger, and index/middle to operate the ball.
Printing a wedge for my Gameball. It helped me with hand pain. I use this one https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5112625
I vhb taped the Gameball to the wedge, then noticed the wedge slides all over the desk, so I put this on the bottom of the wedge https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ST3G41Y/
According to Amazon they do.
Email joanna.yu@kensington.com or [email protected]
I got this from the comments on this other adapter they sell.
https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Replacement-Receiver-Keyboards-K75223WW/dp/B08MSXTDMZ
I'm not using them all at once, but they're all connected and on: Gravi, Orbit, and a Logitech mouse connected via dongle; Deft Pro on BT; a wireless keyboard using nice!nanos over BT; and a BTA30 transmitter for BT audio; plus I live in an apartment with a lot of nearby wifi and other BT devices. I'm using this BT adapter which performs marginally better than the onboard, but I'm still getting occasional interference, especially with the keyboard.
You know, its odd... I have been trying for over fifty years and I have never managed to get the hang of solder braid! It just flat-out refuses to abide by the laws of physics when I use it! The wick just sits there and laughs at me!
Now the 'Engineer SS-02' solder sucker... That little thing is the next stop away from magic at how well it cleans contacts. I have had DIL-40 chips literally drop out of their circuit board while de-soldering them with it--no further persuasion required! Cannot recommend it highly enough and I have four in storage along with my active unit just in case Engineer ever stop making them.
My apologies also--reading back over my comment I realise I sounded rather combative and unnecessarily argumentative. That was not my intention at al. Thank you very much for taking the time to comment back to me!
I think it is back - after searching for a long time I found it on Logitech's amazon store.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F42MKG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
Anyone know if this could be a knock off?
I'm not sure the history of Razer and their macro pads, but their first one was called the Nostromo, which shares the name with the first macro pad that I ever used, the Belkin Nostromo. You can still buy them used for fairly cheap and they're not the RGB monstrosity that will require Razer's shitty software.
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Nostromo-Speedpad-n50-10-Button/dp/B00005U2DX
At the moment it looks like the "Jelly Comb" trackball is being sold on amazon.de (presumably EU-wide) under the Nulea brand name. I haven't found the "Delux" trackball yet.
I'm going with the Elecom EX-G or stick with logitech; which is the devil I know and get the newer m575.
Just FYI for anyone in the US, that Elecom wedge is available on Amazon for $24 with prime shipping. The same store page also offers a folding pad-style wedge and stick-on bumpers of different sizes for more customized configurations.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B8NCGZPB/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_9?smid=A1XFLR6ZIMX0HI&th=1
I use a vertical mouse for gaming at least 3-4 times a week. I use the $30 dollar version of this: https://www.amazon.com/ZLOT-Vertical-Wireless-Ergonomic-Adjustable/dp/B07T3PFWCB. I have several of the high end Logitech mice (G604, G502, G302) and this is similar in build quality to those and has a great sensor. The only thing I can say is that it feels a little small in my hands, but I have large hands.
I also have the M575, Elecom Huge, and Elecom EX-G Pro, but I'm a trackball newbie. They are much different experiences. I think it depends on what the reason for getting the mouse is. If it's for pain, then I think this would help a lot more along with keeping your hands in a more neutral position.
I swapped mine with the silicon nitride and initially I didn't think there was an upgrade, but when it came to smaller precise movement, it is a lot smoother.
Here's the link:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07STBBJL1?psc=1&ref=ppx\_yo2ov\_dt\_b\_product\_details
I find the expert is pretty versatile, you can move it around a lot, as it can be a RH, center or LH very quickly, which helps you to stay flexible. Sometimes I kick back and put it on my lap. Get a couple cheap wrist wrests to go with it, I recommend the kensington ones, great value and easy to change up as well.
The Huge, I find is much better off as a permanent RH option. It doesnt perform so well in the centre as the expert, and while you can use your left hand to manipulate the ball, the rest of the buttons do not suit at all.
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The scroll wheel is definitely my preference, even better than the thumb wheel.
Those aren't exactly what I got, but they're theoretically better due to being G3 instead of G5. These are the ones I got, and I've been satisfied with them thus far: https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-30pcs-Chrome-Bearing-Precision/dp/B09993S89P/?th=1
thanks so much for your time sharing your experience and you have an impressive collection! I also building a fleet of my trackballs so I can swap them during the day and training my left hand to use slimblade. I will give it a try but I just gave the ball a good wax paper rub and also used pencil on the rubies and it is not super smooth and I can do precise movements with little effort and almost no friction. Will see how long it will last.
Is the ones you got?
https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-50pcs-Chrome-Bearing-Precision/dp/B099949ZRT
720DPI might work well. Most modern trackballs use around 500-600 unless you get the higher end ones. So with mouse acceleration that is built in into MacOS it might work well. Here's an article about adjusting mouse acceleration so you can probably easily use it with the smaller DPI's as well.
It should be one of the top results on Amazon if you search for "Micropack trackball." If you'd prefer a direct link, you can follow the one below:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B9G5BN3M?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
Didn't read whole thing, but arm/wrist pain solutions are available in the form of vertical / tilted mice that keep your wrist in a more natural position. You can get these in both traditional and trackball designs.
I bought a cheap traditional one off Amazon recently for my wife and she really likes it:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B009D9CZ5C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Note: The scroll wheel does not tilt on this particular model.
I use a regular flat trackball mouse but I put some foam tape under the thumb side to make it kind of tilted, but not really enough. Better than nothing though.
Good luck, hope you get what you need.
There's plenty of handheld and portable devices, but I don't know anything similar to your requirements, except for this project: https://www.behance.net/gallery/63986023/Ergonomic-Keyboard
I believe your best bet is, to use handheld device like this one: https://www.amazon.com/EIGIIS-Ergonomic-Trackball-Handheld-Wireless/dp/B07F7H3PYT/
Yeah, Elecom makes both thumb and finger balls. The EX-G is thumb. I haven't tried the Huge, which is the one people seem to mod a lot. I tried a Elecom Deft fingerball, and the ball is nice, but almost all of the easy to reach buttons are on the thumb.
I tilted the EX-G with one of these cut in half. It gives it about 30 degress of tilt At some point I'd like to get a custom one like what you have.
Perixx, colour as you see fit.
I didn't bother with translations, but I imagine that Amazon.com.br ships to Brazil. Amazon
It could well be a combined serial / PS/2 device. There’s a good write up on the differences at http://www.doublehammer.com/help/phserps2.htm - but the simplest solution is probably just to get a serial to usb adaptor like https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Converter-Prolific-Chipset-CB-DB9P/dp/B00IDSM6BW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1YROVDUBQ2SI9&keywords=db9+to+usb+adapter&qid=1661858013&sprefix=db9+to+%2Caps%2C74&sr=8-3
I bought this one a few years ago and it fixed my wired Expert Mouse from jittery to flawless. The one I bought then was slightly more purple than the one in the picture, not sure if it has changed or if it was the same picture back then.
Are you specifically looking for a different color or just a replacement?
Perixx's red ball is pretty good: https://www.amazon.com/Perixx-Peripro-304-Rollerball-Replacement-Compatible/dp/B07DXBMT6Z/
I have not had much luck getting used balls in good condition from ebay. New replacement Kensington balls do pop up from time to time.
They make USB Switch boxex that will let you switch up to 4 devices between multiple computers. Here is one I found on Amazon that allows 4 PCs, and 4 peripherals:
https://www.amazon.com/KCEVE-Selector-Computer-Switcher-Compatible/dp/B092YSB89D
Of course, if one of the devices you wan to switch to is a phone or iPad, this really isn't an option, but if everything is a PC, Mac or Linux, this works quite well.
I have my keyboard, trackball, and Yubikey plugged into it and am able to switch between 2 computers with the push of a button.
So I bought my Elecom Huge about a year ago and it took a while for me to get it to where I really liked it.
I was coming from a MS Trackball Explorer, and I guess was used to having my wrist tilted. I don't have a 3D printer though.
So I started exploring options and what I ended up with I have had in place about 9 months now. I just took some pictures, as it is easier to show.
Essentially I took about a dozen Diet Dr Pepper 12 pack flap ends and stacked them up and then took a piece of very thin sytrofoam and put it about midway sticking out. This gives the edge of the trackball somewhere to stick into. Then I bought a wrist bean bag and it just sort of lays over and across the cardboard wedge.
I found after playing around with different angles, that I actually like it almost sideways, or at a steeper angle than I knew. You just push the edge of the trackball into the Styrofoam and create a little crease so it holds there.
While I don't know if this solution will work for you, it might help spark some ideas to mess around with.
They make these for doing presentations and stuff like that.
If small, repetitive motions are going to be an issue, you may look into something more like a thumbstick than a trackball (like a Wii remote 'nunchuck')? Those work with steady pressure, rather than repeated scrolling motions.
here is the link to the listing I ordered from. What arrives is the Delux branded version with the red ball, so the listing is incorrect.
At the time of ordering, the Delux trackball was listed on Amazon as well, with the red ball and delux branding, but I cannot find it anymore. here is the delux on Aliexpress.
The precision is likely your problem, as other redditors seem to have better luck with more precise bearings (a lower number after the G is better). I swapped the stock ruby bearings in three Deft Pros to the G10 precision ceramic bearings you linked and they weren't much better than stock.
I'm currently using G5 silicon nitride bearings in all three and it made a world of a difference, even in my main Deft Pro that I'd been using with the stock bearings for a couple of years. Some people tried the bearings I linked but still had some issues and they ended up with G3 chrome steel bearings.
Unfortunately there's no go to recommendation as people's experiences seem to vary a lot. Hopefully one of the bearings I linked will fix the problems you're having.
Ceramic Zirconium Oxide Ball G10 Precision
I know those are probably nowhere near true g10 precision, but I don't need perfection. I just want a nice smooth mouse lol.
I ordered a set of four of them. Pink should be bright enough, right? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086VM7N26/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
sure. L-trac comes in translucent blue with blue glow, translucent red with red glow and black with no glow. https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-5W-Ambidextrous-Performance-Ergonomic-Trackball/dp/B00YI07MC2
Most like it is one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071NX7Y2J/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have the green version in mine.
Also wonder if something like this would work? Don’t drop it though haha
Very cool! If you could make the trackball just like this one you'd have a buyer: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-TrackMan-Marble-FX-Trackball/dp/B00000JBUI
That was the best trackball I ever had...
I did use 2mm bearings. Here are the links on Amazon where I bought both drill and bearings:
I'd get a rather larger wrist support, this is what I use for mine and it made a world of difference. https://www.amazon.com/Allsop-Comfortbead-Wrist-Mouse-29808/dp/B000XZ8MB6/ref=sr_1_7_mod_primary_new
Kensington Orbit Mobile (the touch scroll ring one) might be an option if you can tolerate wireless. It's tiny.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kensington-Orbit-Wireless-Trackball-K72352US-Black/dp/B0050SPZMK
Note that there's another wireless Kensington Orbit, which I've read is bigger (never seen one in the flesh though). Please stop naming everything 'Orbit', Kensington.
https://www.rtings.com/mouse/reviews/kensington/orbit-wireless-trackball-with-scroll-ring
[Deft Huge](ELECOM 2.4GHz Wireless Finger-operated Large size Trackball Mouse 8-Button Function with Smooth Tracking, Precision Optical Gaming Sensor Palm Rest Attached (M-HT1DRBK). I personally prefer the smaller Deft Pro.
I'm so sorry for being an ass! Amazon copied out a garbage link! I've updated the comment for other people but here you go: ELECOM Wired Finger-operated Large size Trackball Mouse 8-Button Function with Smooth Tracking, Precision Optical Gaming Sensor Palm Rest Attached(M-HT1URBK) https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07353DBP9/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_2BH4N1B1R1CZSK0KBT41?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I use a modded Deft Pro. I installed the 2.5mm ceramic bearings. I have Lymes Disease and RSI in shoulder and wrist. I moved to a Trackball because of having a 43" 4K Monitor and dual vertical monitors that are 32". My shoulder was getting a work out movibf about my new WFH setup. The Trackball was fantastic at reducing my shoulder pain.
I own the Elecom: Deft, Deft Pro (daily driver) & Bitra. I love them all. I have also modded all of them. The Deft Pro is my favorite among my collection. I also use Steer Mouse for increasing the traction speed and scrolling speed. As well as mapping function buttons. I have one click: double click, copy, & paste.
I tried the Elecom Huge. While I loved the massive Trackball, I could not get over the foam pad and wrist rest while at a standing position on my standing/sitting desk. Sitting down it was fantasticand felt great in the hand. However, standing up meant that because of the extra thickness of the wrist rest I now had to pivot my shoulder to use it. Also, this put more strain on my wrist as well as it had to be raised.
I also purchased these adjustable Armrests https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TTDW2FK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_08774686D3HP1NXT4XZ7 they have helped a lot.
I found them used on eBay, but you can buy them new for https://www.amazon.com/X-keys-Feather-External-Button-Switch/dp/B08ZDR39XV
IMO, at $40 each, it's a bit insane. I paid about $15 each and I think it's still high. When I have time, I plan on making better buttons with key switches like: https://imgur.com/a/4zsbx
That's likely the reason, and if a developer needed to port a library from Linux/BSD to macOS it is likely much easier than porting to Windows.
That tracks with my own experience, I made the mistake of getting G100 steel bearings and they were horrible. Idk where you're from, but here's a link to some G3 chrome bearings. My only worry is how they'll hold up over time, as they're softer than ceramic and there is a warning about rusting on the product page. Don't really want to tear my Deft Pro apart to replace bearings if I don't have to, the ball socket is a PITA to release from the base. Not to mention the two ribbon cables that don't want to go into their slots easily.
I actually got one of these, which is kind of "meh", but it does work to fit after I cut out the foam in it:
Thanks for the reply! I ended up getting this and it seems like it will work pretty well for a softer case:
sisma Travel Cords Organizer Universal Small Electronic Accessories Carrying Bag for Cables Adapter USB Sticks Leads Memory Cards, Grey 1680D-Fabrics SCB17092B-OG https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CNRDHK1/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_JT505QQJR3J7B70XNFM5?psc=1
Not sure about all of the Logitech M570s, but mine, PN 810-001807, SN 2022LZD0UR18 has 2 switches, Omron, D2FCF-7N. Found them on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/D2FC-F-7N-Switch-Microswitch-Switches-Logitech/dp/B00HPL57JQ and a few other places with a basic web search. May save folks time and eye strain. :D
I have one of these underneath my Slimblade (which you should NEVER use as advertised, it's anti-ergonomic).
It's pretty hard to get the angle just right, but I have mine so that it stays grounded no matter where I press down on the trackball. I have it so it tents the trackball for a right-handed user. That plus a gel wristpad in front make it significantly more comfortable for me. I didn't think it was bad before, but this setup I have is better.
There are a bunch of no-name devices like this one that should work since the trackball seems to be captive. I wouldn't swear by it though since they're similar to the relacon and it has that issue.
Nice mini reviews!
I've been using the Logitech MX Ergo for several years. I keep trying other options, but I haven't found anything else as comfortable. Every little detail works, right down to the slight ledge for the pinkie.
I did swap out the default grey ball for on of the alternate 34mm Perixx balls you can buy on Amazon. I bought it just because I wanted a different color, but I have actually found that I like the feel of it slightly better. And it's a cheap upgrade.
The Kensington Pro Fit Ergo frustrates me because it comes so close to being perfect. I love the general design and the vertical orientation. The big problem is that, at least for me, the ball is too far to the rear. If I put my hand in the most comfortable position on it the ball ends up slightly to the rear of the knuckle on my thumb. I can adjust be grip rearward, but then the rest of the grip feels wrong. (When I take the same grip on the Logitech the ball is centered under the ball of thumb.)
I gather that most people prefer finger balls. I used them for years, but sometimes ended up with a fatigued hand after long sessions. That never happens to me with a thumb ball. And I think I'm quicker and more accurate with the thumb.