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Indeed. John made a follow-up documentary three years later in 2010 that was twice as long called The Secrets of Scientology: A Panorama Special where he re-interviews Mike Rinder, this time after Mike left Scientology, who confirms it all, and Sweeney also wrote a book in 2013 called The Church of Fear: Inside the Weird World of Scientology

Looks like this is legit. The guy's father posts at the Underground Bunker under the handle Sid, and is ex-Scn himself. There is a medical emergency in the family and they are desperate to reach their son.

Our show, Liar City, is Clearwater-based. I thought it'd be nice to give a general overview of the Project Normandy stuff and the Gabe Cazares stuff, since 'Going Clear' is likely to just gloss over those two things.

Check it out if you're into that sort of thing.

Stitcher:

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/liar-city

TuneIn Radio:

http://tunein.com/radio/Liar-City-p670566/

Yes.

The first time I did so, this lifetime, was before I got involved in Scn. I was 15, planning a trip, and I'd gone to the hospital to get a (not very common) yellow fever vaccine needed for the destination. I didn't yet know that I was vasovagal so I wasn't prepared for the shot. I completely passed out... and found myself at the other corner of the room, contemplating whether I wanted to return to my body.

But oh yeah, I was 15. I had a blind date set up for a few days hence... so I decided to come back because I was curious about what my friend's friend was like. (Such a 15 year old girl's reaction!) I was unreasonably disappointed when that relationship didn't work out.

It was all very disjointed and vague at the time, however. When I got my Drug Rundown about 5 years later, that incident was among the first I addressed. When I ran the incident, I recovered the experience in more detail. It was far from a "full perception" thing. I'd say the recall was more akin to sitting in a rail car looking out the window where the window's really dirty. It's there, but it's blurry, and my attention wasn't fixed on what I was looking at.

I've been exterior several times since then, but that's the easiest story to convey.

It's true though. It's OT3 in particular where Scientology members learn about the Xenu story (and about body Thetans and removing them through auditing.) And ex-scientology members who reached OT3 or above also confirm it.

Here are the complete OT documents OT1 through OT8 including lots of Special Rundowns. You can see for yourself:

• https://file.wikileaks.org/file/scientology-ot-levels.pdf (OT3 in particular starts on page 229.)

• https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology_collected_Operating_Thetan_documents

Thank you for the reply though! I had thought you were at least OT3 and so would know the reason why it's denied.

My husband's white and always has a friendly chat with the Fruits of Islam (aka the young African-American men handing out literature). He's been really into the NOI ever since I had him read The Autobiography of Malcolm X. The Fruits of Islam sell the best incense btw, skip the literature though because it's a bunch of hotep bullshit.

The Art of War is mentioned in a few lectures/ references and early editions Nathaniel Bowditch's New American Practical Navigator were praised for being concise and to the point in the student hat lectures.

Will Durant was pretty much the first ever "pop philosopher". He wrote a mass market book called "The Story of Philosophy" which is actually reasonably excellent.

LRH references him in passing a number of times throughout the materials of Scientology, including in one of the "study tapes" that you have to study the Student Hat. Most Scientology orgs will have a copy of Durant's book in their qual library, though nobody tends to read it (I did).

He got targeted by academia, but not for being a populist (as LRH makes it out to be). He was a devotee of Spinoza, and as such advocated self-mastery and discipline. He recognized that a lust for power lay behind most political and religious sensibilities - including, fatally for his reputation, socialism. Nowadays, we'd call him a "redpill" philosopher. He wouldn't have liked LRH much, I don't think.

I know what you're asking for... especially given that I'm familiar with JavaScript: The Good Parts and its ilk. I wish I had a good, solid reference that fit the bill. But while there are useful sources of data, nothing is precisely The Least You Need To Know (in the positive sense you're asking about).

I agree with /u/ellaraitch's book suggestions; those are the most pragmatic of Hubbard's writing. (Like Heinlein's novels, the earlier books are the best.)

But hmmm... now you have me curious. I'm going to see if any of my freezone friends have a single good reference that they'd recommend. I'll let you know if I get good suggestions.

I don't think they're going to go this route. HBO called them on their crap before they even stepped out into the playground. Lesser monied individuals or organizations would be in court already. Miscavige has such an insatiable need to be whatever the hell he's trying to be that I don't even think public opinion tempers the rush he gets from fighting his strategic fight. The Art of War by Sun Tzu is a revered text. For Miscavige it's not about right or wrong it's about winning, outthinking. HBO has the advantage on this one but he's working on it. MMW.

sure.

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmddUKmfQ4fFqWRV3K7Kqy7ArSvnbnLA9tVAwi6suoLJp6?filename=life%20history.rar

Hmmm, I searched for the ISBN and found this which looks exactly the same as the copy I have... but has the normal subtitle. And it was published in 1999

Sci-Curious,

Well said.

Chuck Beatty, ex Sea Org 1975-2003

Scientology gloms onto the historical progress of any group using top drawer lawyers who can make the case for the continued free existence of really offensive groups with offensive and false promises.

a lesson for a malevolent group, is hire the best current lawyers.

The "War Is Over" video on YouTube shows the IRS "win" of Scientology, and the presentation to the lawyers who "won" Scientology's foot into this door of religious tax exemption, get their Waterford Crystal trophies, and if interested observers of Scientology wish to see who rode herd on these hired gun top lawyers, look carefully, Marty Rathbun sits aisle chair right next to them. Marty and Miscavige ran their lawyers, and today Marty who was a good defector up to a point, the point being Marty still believes in the legitimacy of the Scientology legal "win."

So, I think fault goes to US legal history also, since in the eyes of even today's top drawer critics of our legal history in the US, is the belief that the system is essentially which lawyers make their cases the best, and not necessarily on which side is morally right.

Marty Rathbun's blind spot is his moral blind spots, in alignment with the moral blindspots in the US legal system history.

https://disqus.com/by/chuckbeattyx75to03/

Most ex-COS members I've known, felt the benefits were outweighed by the burden of membership in such a sick organization.

Self-reflection and meditation are free and copyright-free. Anyone can learn to clear their heads or live with mistakes and disappointments. Read "Man's Search for Meaning" by Frankl. Get the big picture on your humanity.

Hubbard's infamous secret rant about the planet Farsec has never been made public, but those who have read it will tell you it is one of his most unhinged — Farsec was the planet where psychs originated and from which all the evil in the universe derives. The meanies from Farsec were sent to earth, originally as priests, to control the population and then eventually converted into their “real” profession as psychiatrists.

A review of Marty Rathbun's book Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior says "The Farsec discussion is worth the book alone" but then you have to read a Marty Rathbun book.

My goodness you are so presumptuous about me, whom you have never conversed with about Scientology or Ron Hubbard at all. You have mistaken me for one of the Ronbots. Perhaps you stupidly assume that all Scientologists are identical wind-up robots or something. I'm not sure I care.

I'm one of the people who, for many years, strongly encouraged Janis Gillham Grady to publish her memoirs of Ron Hubbard and her life under him as one of his most trusted Commodore's Messengers. I did that despite having confirmed with her and some other Apollo crew, that many (not all) of the negative reports about him being a major dickhead during the Apollo era were true and correct.

What I consistently do is fact check with the primary sources and compare with other primary sources. This is what I have always done whenever possible. I'm not even remotely interested in information that has been heavily processed, spun, and/or embellished by persons with various propaganda agendas.

Michael A. Hobson - Independent Scientologist

Hope you guys enjoy it! 6 more weeks it will available on Barnes and Nobles and other platforms. Please give it a review or stars if you like so it can find young woman sitting on the fence in their cult. It’s the first graphic novel for the anti-cult community. Cult Girls https://www.amazon.com/dp/1736764799/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_BBJGZ4515ADHM91ETMJ1

If they dispute the Xenu story why not just play them the audio of LRH telling the Xenu story himself as crucially connecting the idea of engrams to body thetans in the recorded 1968 Class VIII Auditing course on Assists, lecture #10?

I put the idea out there on meetup.com and it gained quite a bit of interest. People said they wanted to present on books they've read, or help organize, or come meet new people.

What I have to offer is time to organize the group. I can find meeting places, help plan the meeting topics and format, and communicate with members.

Even weirder. The only reference I can find to ISBN 9781900944960 that has the "power" title is on worldcat: http://www.worldcat.org/title/dianetics-the-power-of-the-mind-over-the-body/oclc/796896480. Publisher still New Era, 1999. Can you post a pic of your book cover on imgur or something?

> It is also interesting, since you brought up the issue of telepathy, that BTs which are even more aberrated than normal thetans, nonetheless have the power of telepathy

The explanation supplied for the telepathic communication is that it is made possible by the proximity of the two thetans. The fact that it is attached to ones body should supposedly enable one to transfer thought to it. There is a whole section on it in NOTs series 1 which can be found in the OT Levels pack at wikileaks: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology_collected_Operating_Thetan_documents

yes, watch out reading about ot3 causes pneumonia, insomnia followed by death!

one lady told me a guys back needed adjustment after he read it! oh my, maybe those scientologists chiropractors are behind the leaks!

also reading ot8 can cause self combustion

lol, i remember when i was scared when i first read the materials! those jokers had me fooled for a minute

then you read revolt in the stars and find out lrh wanted to make zenu star wars harharhar

revolt in the stars is a good book though, i recommend it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_in_the_Stars

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology_cult_%22Revolt_in_the_stars%22_%28circa_1975%29

but lrh says it is a neat and tidy compartmentalization

http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/Part14/Chp41/pg0770.html

Knowledge is a pyramid, and knowledge as a pyramid has a common denominator which evaluates all other data below it. At the top point of this pyramid, we have what could be called a Q or a common denominator. It is in common to every other datum in this pyramid full of data.

it's actually a very fixed and set in stone belief system

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Talk:Scientology_cult:_Keep_Scientology_Working_in_L._Ron_Hubbard%27s_handwriting

When somebody enrolls, consider he or she has joined up for the duration of the universe-never permit an "open-minded" approach. If they're going to quit let them quit fast. If they enrolled, they're aboard, and if they're aboard, they're here on the same terms as the rest of us-win or die in the attempt. Never let them be halfminded about being Scientologists.

Please explain in terms of wave math such as in my simulation https://sourceforge.net/projects/fluidgravity3way/ which is based on recursively that along each direction any unbalance is instantly scaled on both sides to equal, recursively like e (see the pictures or run the opensource program by double-click). This is how I see the universe as a dimensionless topological manifold.

Also, putting this here because it's a comment on the article above from Lorna Carlton, the subject of the article and also recently out. It is news to me, and not sure how "new" the information is, but:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/theundergrondbunker/saturday_95/#comment-1999437445

> those on OT 7 have to become Patrons I believe, that is a $60,000 status. Someone can correct me on that if I am wrong, but I had friends on the level who had to continually pay. Also, to do certain auditing actions, they have to bring someone else into the church or they are not permitted to progress on their auditing.

If so, this adds yet another level of pyramid scheme and pay-to-play. Blech.

"Block Together", the web application that facilitates the kind of blocking Kristie Alley is doing, is hosted by the leftist activist site riseup.net. It's a statement of fact, /u/youngandfreezone, not a debate.

> It was Hubbard who encouraged him to beat people into submission with physical and emotional abuse.

You shouldn't lie about things that are so trivial to fact-check. Ron Miscavige's Book Ruthless, Scientology, My Son David Miscavige and Me says no such thing anywhere in it.

For those interested, the Amazon Kindle Edition is quite inexpensive and it is a good read with lots of first hand information from someone who was actually there - David "Darth Midget" Miscavige's own father. Amazon provides a free Desktop Kindle reader for PC's and Android Devices, if you don't own a Kindle.

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist

If I may jump in and recommend another excellent book that is not Scientology related but, in my eyes, contains a lot of good ideas which might be of interest for you: The Power Of Now by Eckhart Tolle. This one's truly a gamechanger.

> I'm surprised they let her stay as long as they did.

'Escaping Scientology: An Insider's True Story: My Journey With the Cult of Celebrity Spirituality, Greed and Power'

"Karen's story will show how people become radicalized by extremists. This story is not about rehashing and reliving the trauma of the past. It's a story coming from a survivor/thriver. I strongly encourage people to read this book carefully and thoughtfully, to realize the degree that Scientology has long been exploiting well-known social influence methods and techniques."

You should really check out this website https://www.freedomofmind.com/. Steve Hassan is an amazing speaker on issues concerning life after cults. He was a member of the Moonies and has written extensively on the subject. He has a ton of free resources on that website. Also you may want to check out the book, The Gaslight Effect. It's a great book about how to deal with the fallout of correcting your world view after you have basically been brainwashed to believe your reality is something that it is not. Lastly, I would highly suggest you check out /r/exmormon it is a much more active sub than this one and the things that you are looking for are going to be found there. I'm an exmormon myself and have found all of these resources on that subreddit.

if you really want to know? then read this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1883536065?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

ETA: Engrams as L Run Hubbard describe it, does not exists. He was a fraud and a Con-Man. What best describe "Engrams" is Cognitive Dissonance.

I disagree about a deep understanding not be possible, I mean people can form deep religious views around even the simplest of things - but that understanding really needs to come from oneself, it's hard to tell people how to understand something subjectively.

Scientologese isn't really a secret language, you can even buy a Scientology dictionary pretty easily. It is a lot of words, though, that really only pertain to Scientology. Other religions with large amounts of doctrine have a similar thing - the university I went to has a 35 volume Catholic Dictionary for example.

I personally find OT2 to be a bit more "out-there" than OT3. It mostly deals with so called electronic implants but it doesn't have the narrative story of OT3. A good place to look for "weird" stuff is the book Scientology - A History of Man which contains what I consider to be the prototypical elements found in the later Xenu myth.

Fear is one of my favorite stories ever. Typewriter in the Sky is also really good.

You should read For the Life of the World by Fr. Alexander Schmemann, he (basically) argues that golden thrones are necessary for the practice of Christianity. We read that book in one of my university religion classes and most of the class got visibly angry at the author whenever we talked about the book in class.

I've not tried this particular thing, though I do have a Mindplace Procyon that I find interesting to use. I'll check out the series you mention too :-)

Also, power and attention. Those seem to me to be the reasons Hubbard did most of what he did. He wanted to lecture others, be revered, hold power over adoring sycophants (mostly women and rich people), be seen as an expert, hobnob with world leaders and intellectuals, that sort of thing. He wanted to seem like a rebel, anti-establishment, a challenger to the prevailing power structure (in psychology, the government, society).

I do think that Hubbard had as a sub-goal making money. Or at least stealing it. His many run-ins with the law show that he was a fairly regular theif and embezzler - running up bills and not paying them was his norm, as was taking people's money and just doing his own thing and going away. Not just Parsons, the department and grocery stores, and the issues with Don Purcell where he lost the rights to Dianetics stuff, but those in particular stick out as a way to show how much he really thought he could just take money wherever he wanted.

And some of the most revealing parts of A Queer and Pleasant Danger were the parts where Kate remembered being ordered to go to Switzerland and open/manage bank accounts under an assumed name, or deliver suitcases of cash to banks in other countries. It's been a while since I read it, but that was the part that stuck out to me the most - and wondering what ever came of all the money she hid for Hubbard.