My friend made an android app for longer term training, analysis and rating. It may be useful. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.DevExtras.VoiceTools&hl=en_US&gl=US
To me, honestly it's close and passable but as someone said a hint of forced/falsetto perhaps a little to announciated/sharp. Closest I can get is a little like the librarian/school teacher reading a book to the class-- a hint of that. Very close though.
What are you using to measure your pitch? 280Hz seems very high.
Have a look at an app called Voice Pitch Analyzer (Android. Don't know an Apple equivalent.)
My pitch averages around 217Hz.
Yeah Scinguistics is great. They usually have at least one or two 1 on 1 lessons that you can listen in on each day. I think there’s also free 10 minute personal lessons you can queue up for once or twice a week. (Usually on Sundays)
There’s actually a fem voice / fem singing lesson going on for the next 30 minutes or so right now.
If you've got a smartphone, there's an app called "Voice Tools" that my speech therapist got me to download, so that we can track my progress. The app image is a black microphone logo on a background with baby blue/baby pink and a jagged white line. (haha trans colours)
If you use the analysis tool in there, you can see your average pitch and how fem/masc your voice is. I recommend trying it out on a few cis people (whether that be online personalities or IRL) just so you have a baseline for where to aim for.
Google Play | iOS App Store
Voice Pitch Analyzer
Android has Voice Pitch Analyzer though. iOS doesn’t have anything like that (well, except for a subpar clone for $14).
Edit: their FAQ says an Android version is coming soon.
Hello. I would say that the better application for pitch tracking is the Vocal Pitch Monitor - it's specialized at what it does, shows a graph of pitch changes over time, and is also great at showing the information about notes/scales which comes handy (especially if one also likes to sing.) It's available from here : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tadaoyamaoka.vocalpitchmonitor
Also, the "gender percentages" the above application shows are pretty much meaningless for how gendering of voice works in the reality where the resonance and vocal fold mass/thinness are what matters the most. Pitch is secondary at most and, as I see it, whoever created that application did a huge disservice to the training community by carelessly hard-wiring some arbitrary pitch ranges into suggestions of how feminine or not the voice sounds with them.
Christella: Voiceup is a pretty good one if you can afford the $15 per lesson (there are three)
There was also another really good one that is an actual pitch analyzer and more and features like intonation and resonance tips or something too.
I know someone mentioned it on this sub, I'll try to find it again.
There are 3 main components to female voice: pitch, resonance and intonation. I'm no expert, but I'll give you my opinion:
Pitch - you seem to get the high pitch by going into falsetto register. This isn't natural for women so you'll need to work on that.
Try speaking only a little bit higher. One thing I did is to download a free app called gStrings that can show you the pitch of a note that you're singing. Measure your normal voice, then try speaking say 10 or 20 Hz higher.
Pitch isn't everything, and some women have deeper voices that overlap the high male range. Don't stress too much about raising your pitch.
Resonance - from the sound files you provided it seems you haven't done anything about resonance yet, but don't worry! You can practice by panting like a dog, and then panting in a higher and higher note. If you feel your adam's apple when you do that, you should feel it rise. This action should hopefully reduce resonance in your chest if you can learn to do it while you're talking.
Intonation - Men typically talk with a very flat intonation, meaning that the pitch doesn't vary much and that volume is used for emphasis. Women typically vary their pitch a lot more, and use pitch for emphasis.
To practice, try doing an impression of an exaggerated stereotype valley girl. That uses extremely varying pitch, especially if you imagine a valley girl getting, like, TOTALLY mad at something! Like, OMG! Did you totally see her at the mall?!?!
Yes it's a silly stereotype but it will help you get used to varying pitch and using pitch for emphasis.
Hope that helps, I'm just starting to learn myself so good luck!
Doesn't exactly sound quite there yet. Where are you projecting your voice from? Maybe try to project from around your mouth? It sounds like you are resonating form your chest a lot more. Also if you're wondering if it's possible to switch.
You sound completely masculine to me in your latest voice clip! :)
Pitch is low, resonance is dark, and intonation is pretty monotone, which is what you want.
In your clip from "3 months ago" your pitch is a bit higher but still in the male range, resonance is about the same, and your intonation is a little more sing-song (changing in pitch from word-to-word). So I could see how you might read it as a little feminine, though it's still more masculine than feminine, overall!
Sounds like you've done a good job adjusting your voice! I think your best bet would be to find recordings of a voice that you want to sound like (a man speaking in French, whose voice you admire) and start imitating them. You can record your voice with an app like Echo to compare it with the recording. You're doing great - all you need is a little direction and more practice! :)
If you just want some tips, I'd say focus on speaking with a low pitch, with a monotone voice, and with a lot of space in your mouth (like you're yawning) to darken the resonance. Good luck! ;)
Sounds feminine overall but with hints of androgynous or masculine resonance coming through. If you can hear the places where the resonance dips, more practice will probably improve your consistency. If you need to record your voice to hear it effectively, you might try the app Echo - I've been finding it really useful for that. :)
I'm hearing the resonance dip more on the darker vowels like "oh" and some consonants like "r" so I suspect that some vowel mods and more attention to tongue placement (back of tongue closer to roof of mouth, front of tongue closer to front of mouth) would be the most fruitful area to focus on. You're so close!
Hope that helps! :)
Ooh, can I try? :o
How to achieve a female voice in 1 minute with no training
Like they say, winners don't quit! ;) I'm sure that if you use my simple process above, you'll have a perfectly passing female voice before the heat-death of the entire universe. Good luck!
Voice Pitch Analyzer, on Google Play. It disappeared from the store once so you may want to keep this link to the GitHub page (Actually links to a Reddit post which includes a link to the GitHub page and its download/release page on GitHub where you can get an APK if Google Play doesn't work.)
Edits: restructuring so the post is not just a bunch of links link.
Mostly just lots of practice, talking at all times in a higher but none voice straining pitch, then when i got used to it, going higher again, one a week or sometimes more. I used https://online-voice-recorder.com/ for listening to my voice, and https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.lilithwittmann.voicepitchanalyzer&hl=en voice pitch analyzer for it's name sake. Also look into talking out of your head and not your chest.
I found this app Repeat Recorder Voice Practice It says it repeats when you pause but it seems to only repeat after a set amount of time. You have to set it to the "self training option". It's a low quality app and probably not ideal. It is kind of slow pace in the amount of time it takes between recording and playback and it forces you to listen to the whole recording before making a new one. I have barely tried it so I can't say that I'd recommend it. I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be a better app for this.
Thanks! Yeah, definitely checked out the guide. I think my resonance drops into my chest from time to time--definitely an area I need to practice--but overall when I talk I don't feel vibrations in my chest, only in my throat and head. Here's a comparison to my regular voice if it helps.
Nice question, I need that too. Currently, I am using the recordings from librivox.org. They are not interactive, but I was trying to emulate the voice of female speakers. Something like this https://librivox.org/letters-written-during-a-short-residence-in-sweden-norway-and-denmark-by-mary-wollstonecraft/ worked for me.
This guide is pretty excellent, but it does have a minor flaw. On apple devices, the vocal pitch monitor app is $.99, and won't run on IOS 12. Strangely, the google play variant is 100% free.
To avoid this, you can use Bluestacks for your computer to emulate an android device, and install the app from the google play store.
Try downloading a spectrometer! Have the app listen to marcy speaking, then tap on the spot that shows brightest. Then try to speak or "sing" and have it match that point/range on the graph. If this still doesn't work or if you have questions, I'd love to try to help further!
Edit: this is the app I use! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.intoorbit.spectrum
Here's the one I use
No ads, Microphone and Storage needed to function, but there's also "have full network access" and "view full network connections" not sure why.
As has already been said, you should definitely work on your resonance with the linked material, since it is one of the most important aspects, but I also feel that your pitch is very high, especially for the beginning.
Here's something I can recommend: Download something like Vocal Pitch Monitor and see the pitch of some female voices you really like and try imitating their pitches while avoiding falling into falsetto (when starting at a low pitch and sliding up to your highest note, at some point you will fall into it and it sounds hollow and very breathy). It is also important to not strain while training your voice to avoid pain, this is very important, as you don't want to damage your voice worst case. There's also women with lower pitched voices, so play around and see what kind of pitch you'd like to try and reach for!
Voice Pitch Analyzer (IOS)
Voice Pitch Analyzer (Android)
Ahh, the nostalgic sound of Korean... :)
If you have an Android phone, download the free app Vocal Pitch Monitor and open that up while playing the video on your computer - you should be able to see where the pitch falls. It helps to adjust the settings first though - see section 3 of this guide for my recommendations.
Looks to me like her voice falls on the lower end of the female range, dipping slightly into androgynous territory - let's say between E3 and C4 (or 150 and 250 Hz).
Vocal Pitch Monitor is free and better. In the settings, change the Scale to F Major and check the box to Display frequency in Hz, and practice keeping your voice above the line at F3 (~150 Hz) to stay in the female range. ;)
It's called "Voice Pitch Analyzer". I got it through the google play store but I think apple has a version also.
Yep! Voice Pitch Analyzer
The only downside is that it doesn't actually record the audio so you can't hear how your voice has changed, but it's still a really cool resource.
I was looking for it but all I can find is this and doesn't seem right... Can you point me right, please? :)
EDIT: on the other hand, found this one, can be useful for someone.
There's VoiceUp, but it's 3 modules (basic, intermediate, advanced) that are $20 each. I've only purchased the first one because $60 total feels kinda steep, but I think the advantage is that you can watch them whenever, and the instructor gives you some time to actually practice along with them, whereas you need to pause most YouTube videos because they're just kinda glossing over their exercises. I've never been to a real speech pathologist so, I have no idea if what she's teaching is equally effective.
It was removed from Google Play, but some industrious people found the <code>.apk</code> file, which you can sideload.
There's also Tuner T1 for Android, which is on Google Play if you don't want to bother with sideloading, and features a continuously-updating frequency display for the microphone input.
Hey there! I think your voice still sounds very low and masculine. Sorry I hope it doesn't sound mean, but just trying to be honest. I think going through some exercises that help extend your pitch would help a lot so you can get to a higher pitch. I personally like these videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5gBKsvSwo
I also recommend getting this app called voice pitch analyzer on the google store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.lilithwittmann.voicepitchanalyzer&hl=en
The app lets you read a paragraph and then tells you the average pitch. It also shows a graph for male/androgynous/female pitchs and puts your average on there. I think doing the warm up in the youtube videos + reading will help you a lot.
I played the audio from my PC speakers (pretty good ones) into the microphone of my Android phone running Voice Pitch Analyser.
There are some tools (e.g. Praat) to directly analyse an audio file on your PC, but I like the visualisations in the Android app.
By the way, I didn't listen to your guy voice. I find that doing so (especially if listened to first) just subconsciously makes you interpret the target voice as fake, so I avoid it.
Is working for me from UK. YouTube may not have the rights to sell it in your country. May use a VPN, or may search on YT for an illegal upload. Or other website.
Alternative: it is available on Amazon Prime offering with Ads through Freevee, in UK.
What you're looking for is a pitch tracker or spectrogram. This is what I use on Android but it's not great: spectroid
The most common self-help source I know of is a series on YouTube called Trans-Voice lessons: https://youtube.com/c/TransVoiceLessons
I also found thus book helpful, but incredibly frustrating: The Voice Book for Trans and... https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1785921282?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Others on this sub may be able to point you to other resources.
Yes, same! I recently switched to these Aftershokz open-ear bone conduction headsets. Caveat: volume and mute controls don’t work in MS Teams or Skype for business, but are really good sounding otherwise.
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I'd get 30-40 year old man with feminine voice from this to be honest,
you still have this kinda low tone underneath the rest of your voice, have you tried looking at your pitch on a pitch monitor? I use this one, I'd suggest going into settings, enabling "display frequency in hz" and seeing what hz your at, I think female is around 240~ male is normally 140~ though people might want to correct me on that, its been a while since I've looked into it
Thanks so much for your feedback! Is there anything in particular you do or could suggest I try to improve my pitch?
Also, male voice for comparison:
If you’ve got a PC and a mic on it, some of the tools that cost money on IOS are free on android run on Bluestacks, which is a free-ish android emulator. Just a fair warning as other folks have been saying, take the output from those apps with a grain of salt, as voice is plenty more complex than pitch.
Here’s a link - https://www.bluestacks.com/
Just listened, that's actually really cool! "Attitude" and pitch contour are pretty cool and not feminine at all.
However, the consonants ("sss" and "shhhhh") are rather bright, i wonder how you shape the mouth. Another thing that's just learned behaviour! ;)
There are techniques to thicken the vocal cords (by will - something singers can learn), perhaps something to look into.
Perhaps join https://discord.com/invite/bG9XRUT Scinguistics: Science, Singing, Linguistics - Discord.
I get lessons from Charles at CRAMDvoicelessons. He normally charges $100/month for 4 hour-long lessons. That's nominally $20–25/hour, but sometimes lessons go over, and he doesn't charge extra when they do.
He charges less ($55/month, so $11–14/hour) if you allow other patrons to listen to lessons as they happen. Normally only one or two people listen in, and it's a very supportive community, so I recommend that option, if you're comfortable with it.
I upload recordings of my lessons, and my notes, here. Feel free to comment or DM questions.
HAha I feel your pain! So many times I've done a voice that I liked and forgot how to do it. That's why I started explaining what I'm doing (on the vocal posture) while I record because if it's get good I have a reference to use.
But it's good to know that there is no pain or anything. But try to gradually go to bigger phrases. Voice Tools App is very good cause it gives you some and keeps recording all the time.
It's pretty good overall! Maybe it's just the O's that dip a little too low I think. Like Rainbow, Above, Gold.
Edit: have you tried Voice Pitch Analyzer?
pitch and resonance definitely sound good to me c: Its also clear you are working on raising and dropping that pitch as you speak, but i think a bit more practice would help a ton.
for me, i practice my intonation using the Vocal Pitch Monitor app and study the way it rises and falls
I still haven't been able to find much. I had a quick look through my voice book (The Voice Book for Trans and Non-Binary People by Mathews Mills) but it didn't mention tonsils or adenoids specifically.
ah yep, absolutely true! and there are some cheap xlr mics on amazon, my friend uses this one when he records with me. it gets the job done and the sound can be tweaked on the mixer board:
u/Smugcat101 it's called Voice Pitch Analyzer in the app store, made by Carola Nitz. It's a white icon with a purple intersex symbol laid over purple sound waves.
Voice Pitch Analyzer!
I'd recommend using a real-time app like Vocal Pitch Monitor (in the settings, change the Scale to F Major and check the box to Display frequency in Hz) so you can see the drops happen as you're speaking. Try to stay above F3 and you'll be in the female range. Make sure you don't go into a falsetto though!
Check out section 3 of this guide for more details. :)
That's really good for only three days of voice training! :o Pitch is good and resonance is pretty androgynous, but I'm guessing you've been working on raising your larynx? A little monotone, though plenty of cis women talk like that too.
I think some of the advice that I just posted here would be applicable:
>If you can hear the places where the resonance dips, more practice will probably improve your consistency. If you need to record your voice to hear it effectively, you might try the app Echo - I've been finding it really useful for that. :)
>I'm hearing the resonance dip more on the darker vowels like "oh" and some consonants like "r" so I suspect that some vowel mods and more attention to tongue placement (back of tongue closer to roof of mouth, front of tongue closer to front of mouth) would be the most fruitful area to focus on.
Hope that helps - let me know if you have any questions about what I'm suggesting! ;)
Voice Pitch Analyzer isn't a bad app for tracking one aspect of your progress, but I think Vocal Pitch Monitor is more useful for actually practicing your pitch and seeing where it falls in real time.
And definitely use the voice recorder on your phone to record samples to really track your progress, on resonance and intonation and everything else, not just on pitch. ;)
I don't hear my pitch as higher, but I do hear my resonance as higher in my head, until I hear a recording and I hear the masculine resonance coming through. :/
You might find it helpful to practice with an app like Echo that lets you easily record and playback your voice repeatedly.
I have the same problem with keeping the higher pitch. What I do is use this phone app, but I don't read from their script. I use it to watch the pitch of my voice as I'm talking while doing exercises. Give it a try :) I hope this helps!
In all seriousness, I was thinking about getting these sleep strips:
They're made for a different purpose, but I think it's exactly what I need! Provides a breathing hole, but keeps you reminded to keep your mouth closed. What do you think?
I was referring to variation in frequency within small intervals of your recording.
I don't have music education so I kinda lack knowledge about formants, can't help with this. Personally I do 3 types of exercises:
1) Vocal exercises, just humming 100-250hz, 250hz-100hz, 180hz, 200hz, 220hz, 230hz, 240hz
2) Reading some text keeping my frequency within 180hz-240hz
3) Speaking with people over TeamSpeak/Discord. This is very different from reading because you are not getting tired so much. When you talk with people you have a lot of breaks, as opposed to reading. However you also need to be able to answer unprepared and without training the first few seconds of the voice might be "off". With reading the start happens once and it is a small portion, but when you talk you often start to talk, many times per conversation.
I would recommend https://www.sygyt.com/en/ Overtone Analyzer for PC or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.speechtools.voiceanalyst for android.
One other thing, frequency is not everything, but I don't know how to measure resonance. So I always listen back what I recorded, not just relying on the graph.
If your interested in pitch training I have found Universal Tuner super helpful. I like that it has a virtual keyboard so I can hear the note and then a tuner to make sure I'm matching it. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.aterlux.guitartuner&hl=en_US&referrer=utm_source%3Dgoogle%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_term%3Dandroid+universal+tuner&pcampaignid=APPU_1_QxfrWruRG-fWjwSow72ACg
Vocal Pitch Monitor is free, and simple to use.
Sound Analyzer App is also free and can give you more insight to how your resonance is, but it's more complicated.
I practice twice per day, 10 minutes in the morning, 10 minutes in the evening. I skipped only if I was sick and throat was swollen. I did not start on my own though, I got a voice coach locally in Dublin, she helped me to figure out the basics, but most work is just patience and persistence.
To put it simple, the following worked for me
1) drink often, being hydrated helps a lot
2) don't cough with voice, it irritates throat and makes it swollen, which does not help at all, you can still cough without vocalization though
3) don't drink tea/coffee or anything that dehydrates the throat
Then I was doing exercises to extend my pitch. I used https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.speechtools.voiceanalyst on the phone or Overtone Analyzer from http://www.sygyt.com/en/
Just sing a single note for about 15 seconds at 180hz, then another 200hz, then 220hz, 230hz, 240hz.
Then slide from 100hz to 300hz up and from 300hz to 100hz down. It will not give you voice you voice you want by itself but if you do this for few months you will notice that it is way easier to control your pitch, to shift it dynamically when you speak, and then you can train to speak maybe :)
Feel free to PM me if I can help.
As for iOS applications, there's Voice Pitch Analyzer. That one doesn't track pitch over time like Voice Pitch Analyzer/Android does, though. Is that an absolute requirement?
Ha. Wow. I didn't expect there would be more than one or two such books.
I'm quite sure this is the one:
this will probably do the job too
you're just trying to minimize background noise, the vocal quality isn't as important for formant analysis
Actually i have this one for a 10 years or so already, I'm just waiting until parcel from my family will arrive:
I'm surprised that it lasted 10 years honestly :D
There are some tools to directly analyse an audio file on your PC, but I like the visualisations in the Android app.