This is looking good! Finally a complete browser interface.
Readwise has a lot of potential if they improve the browser interface. I think this could have been the missing link for me to consider Readwise AND Obsidian.
Annotation is missing using the Readwise extension- you need Hypothes.is but they don't import the attached images to both annotations and highlights.
Readwise needs to show up both the highlights and the images. Let's hope something comes up in the future.
Update: we've endorsed hypothes.is on our main notes page. http://cs231n.github.io/
it seemed like the easier way to go, and their video (https://hypothes.is/what-is-it/) is epic. We want to be part of the movement.
I looked into https://hypothes.is which seems to be a nice way to annotate/highlight web pages. It didn't have Emacs integration, but now it does :-) I think it might be useful for people using org-brain, org-roam, zettelkasten, or perhaps just want to save web highlights into Emacs for some other reason.
Thanks to u/karlicoss for this post which led me to Hypothes.is.
I was looking for the same word. Somehow I feel his visions (which come through better in his writings and other interviews) are still ahead of where we've come. I strongly recommend at least skimming through his augmented intellect paper, ditto with Vannevar Bush's essay.
Here's a interview with him from 2003, seems like an amazing person as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeSgaJt27PM
The other day, Web Annotations becoming a web standard is bringing us a little closer. (https://hypothes.is/blog/annotation-is-now-a-web-standard/)
Marie Krarup sin artikkel har blitt delt en del her i Norge også.
Men hun viser jo ikke til et eneste bibelvers for å underbygge påstanden om at å hjelpe flyktninger er det motsatte av nestekjærlighet. Så jeg tenkte jeg at jeg måtte hjelpe henne litt, ved å markere deler av teksten og vise til relevante vers.
Beklager at teksten er på norsk. Men skriftspråkene våre er jo så like, så jeg vil tro at dere ikke har noe problem med å lese det :)
Hvis du vil bidra: https://hypothes.is/
I guess, the idea of annotation on webpages has been around for a while, but this is a recent development that I signed up for a little while ago. It allows users to post comments and links that overlay a webpage when you are running the extension in your browser or through their webpage. Here's a feel good intro movie on their main page.
Well, now you can go onto lds.org and annotate whatever you like with this tool. You can point out what is omitted from the essays. What is spun. What is untrue.
Advantages: you can write anywhere without the site owner's permission.
Disadvantages: only users of the platform can see your annotations.
I thought some folks here might find the tool interesting and useful.
I'd heard about this a long time ago, but I hadn't realized that they released an Alpha until today.
As one can see, it's not being used a whole lot, so maybe we can collectively turn it into an /r/INTP away from home!
There is a lack of browser annotation, hypothes.is integration is annoying and zero idea about their grand plans forming together.
They have specific criteria for "on-boarding" and I haven't been able to get the foot in the door despite numerous requests here and on Twitter.
I also agree about the regional pricing- but they have to justify the associated costs. Yes, a lack of a competition is hurting everyone in the knowledge-gathering ecosystem.
Yep, Save to Notion is currently better than the official Notion web clipper.
Beyond that, Readwise is a good way to get web clips into Notion. I particularly like their integration with Hypothes.is, which actually keeps your highlights on the web page even after a refresh.
My friend, I have been dealing with the exact same conundrum for years: Amazing web-app with a concern for lack of upkeep/continued development... I've been looking for a good way to jump ship for a while.
Stumbled onto weava today, did some googling to confirm, found your post, and now you have my thanks.
Cheers!
P.s. I hope you hate hypothes.is and the other similar garbage, just as I do 😆
I'm not sure what you mean by your use of the word "creative". I'm worried that you've seen too many photos of decorative and frilly commonplace books on Instagram and Pinterest. I tend to call most of those "productivity porn" as their users spend hours decorating and not enough collecting and expanding their thoughts, which is really their primary use and value. Usually whatever time they think they're "saving" in having a cpb, they're wasting in decorating it. (Though if decorating is your thing, then have at it...)
My commonplace is a (boring to others) location of mostly walls of text. It is chock full of creative ideas, thoughts, and questions though.
If you're having trouble with a place to start, try creating a (free) Hypothes.is account and highlighting/annotating everything you read online. (Here's what mine looks like: https://hypothes.is/users/chrisaldrich, you'll notice that it could be considered a form of searchable digital commonplace book all by itself.) Then once a day/week/month, take the best of the quotes, ideas, highlights, and your notes, replies, questions and put them into your physical or digital commonplace. Build on them, cross link them, expand on them over time. Do some research to start answering any of the questions you came up with.
By starting with annotating things you're personally interested in, you'll soon have a collection of things that become highly valuable and useful to you. After a few weeks you'll start seeing something and likely see a change in the way you're reading, writing, and even thinking.
>:jseval (function(){window.hypothesisConfig=function(){return{showHighlights:true,appType:'bookmarklet'};};var d=document,s=d.createElement('script');s.setAttribute('src','https://hypothes.is/embed.js');d.body.appendChild(s)})();
Thanks: that works. So the URI-percent encodings were causing trouble. Interesting.
sarahfromscotland repeating the same lies (deceptive fact can be a lie) with a throwaway account. This is classic socking, attempting to create apparent agreement from multiple people when, in fact, so far, none of the real accounts (with a history) in this thread have agreed with what "sarah" writes above.
Oliver, on RatWiki, as Tobias, is claiming that all this is created by me or Mikemikev to "make him look bad." In those claims, Oliver lied about the content of my comments, and he lied about the history, as I have explained in hypothes.is annocations. It would make no sense for either Mike (for whom I am not responsible), or I, or any of his other targets, to attempt to confuse these discussions and use them to spam Oliver's long-stated position, with many socks. But Oliver is literally insane. His brother is higher-functioning but vicious. Oliver might be right that the socks are not him, because they could be his brother. I will know more later when I study the data.
Arlandon clearly is aware that the claims were false, he expressed belief that the newspapers knew this and lied. He was responding to my comment that they were deceived. So the question was trolling. These are trollsocks.
Oliver then claimed on RatWiki that there was no evidence he had contacted media and pretended ignorance. So I presented the evidence (which I had seen when it was fresh, it was from SkepticDave, which was Oliver, whereas any impersonations would have been quickly whacked at that time.)
The structure of lies and deception is falling apart, and they are getting desperate. Oliver's current account on RatWiki is now widely known -- there! -- to be him. Oliver is facing a lawsuit, and obviously does not know how to shut up. (I am not claiming he is the sockmaster here, he might well not be. But he is responsible for what he has written and continues to write on RationalWiki.)
You will be able to configure whether to share all activities for a book. Once a book is marked as public then all annotations, highlights and comments will be shared with friends. Will share an initial screenshot of the Branch functionality with you via PM that we are working on. Annotations will work in a similar way to hypothes.is and we will consider allowing readers to seamlessly sync annotations to hypothes.is
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Our mission is to redefine the reading experience, it made sense for us to start with eBooks and documents based on our other revenue streams such as our Business and Educational offerings. We support EPUB3 and other iterative formats composed of HTML, CSS, JS and other HTML5 components which is basically the web(articles). We will be supporting most features currently in Polar and will be releasing a native Desktop app later this year.
Your most secure bet would probably be SpiderOak (Free 60 day trial for 2 GB of files.)
Google Drive or Dropbox have free serves and are hard to beat, but offer zero privacy for the most part.
There are a bunch of addons/plugins that do something similar to what you want (except approval of comments). Here's two:
http://annotateit.org/
https://hypothes.is/
Hypothesis seems to be more polished and can also annotate on PDFs, Annotateit requires 3rd party addon.
Combined with any content management system (wordpress?), you have something pretty close to what you asked for.
Good luck, and when you get started, feel free to post here. I wouldn't mind checking out what you are up to.
thanks to samausi I have eventually figured out pretty neat way to collectively annotate ML papers. Please go here: https://hypothes.is/alpha/# , install the extension or bookmarklet and look on the 7 steps, which are mentioned there. Then go here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.0580v1.pdf and enable the extension in url bar. You should see my test annotation on the right side. If you create an account, you can comment my annotation or create your own. But don't forget to set the comment as public. I hope you would be as impressed as me.
What do you mean with "annotation software"? For public web annotations I use Hypothesis and that tends to work well. You can also use it for private notes, but I have never used that option.
Currently, the best workflow I've found for this is either:
I'm working on some stuff behind the scenes to hopefully improve this situation :)
As for organization in Notion, I use the PARA method and create topic-based Resource pages. Notes go in a master Notes database, and Resource pages simply contain a linked/filtered view of that Notes database.
I use Hypothes.is and a templater script for web, which you can find a demo and description of here. For PDF, I believe there is an Obsidian plugin that lets you highlight using Hypothes.is in app, if that helps :) Both are free!
Once you've connected your Hypothes.is account to Readwise, it will sync automatically a few times per day, but if you'd like the highlights to import into Readwise more quickly then you can keep manually syncing.
Does highlighting the content of the post work?
If so, the Command browser for iOS and something like getmatter.com or hypothes.is for desktop may solve your problem
I also remember seeing a SmartBlock in the smartblock store that you inserted the link of an article into and it pulled the content formated for Roam. Not sure how well it'd work for LinkedIn, but it's worth a shot.
In addition to all the other good advice from others, it might be worth taking a look at others' production and output from a historical perspective. Luhmann working at his project full time managed to average about 6 cards a day.1 Roland Barthes who had a similar practice for 37 years averaged about 1.3 cards a day.2 Tiago Forte has self-reported that he makes two notes a day, though obviously his isn't the same sort of practice nor has he done it consistently for as long.3 As you request, it would be useful to have some better data about the output of people with long term, consistent use.
Given even these few, but reasonably solid, data points at just 90 minutes a day, one might think you're maybe too "productive"! I suspect that unless one is an academic working at something consistently nearly full time, most are more likely to be in the 1-3 notes a day average output at best. On a per hour basis Luhmann was close to 0.75 cards while you're at 0.53 cards. Knowing this, perhaps the best advice is to slow down a bit and focus on quality over quantity. This combined with continued consistency will probably serve your enterprise much better in the long run than in focusing on card per hour or card per day productivity.
Internal idea generation/creation productivity will naturally compound over time as your collection grows and you continue to work with it. This may be a better sort of productivity to focus on in the long term compared with short term raw inputs.
Another useful tidbit that some neglect is the level of quality and diversity of the reading (or other) inputs you're using. The better the journal articles and books you're reading, the more value and insight you're likely to find and generate more quickly over time.
They're not as easy to come by as you might think, though they pop up from time to time. Given shipping costs, you're definitely better off finding something locally if you can.
OCLC started digital shared cataloging in 1971. The peak for pre-printed library catalog cards was in 1985, and they quit printing cards in bulk in 2015 after shipping more than 1.9 billion cards during that time.[1]
Hey, I've built Conote which is very similar to hypothes.is but works on more sites!
I have just submitted a safari extension to Apple to allow one click highlighting of pages on IOS and MacOS. It should hopefully be approved in the next few days. I'd love if you checked out Conote as an alternative to hypothes.is :)
>Short story: I was working on a very large AI-based "semantic desktop" app called CALO at SRiI International. I was asked to look into adding a bookmarking feature to it, so I signed up at delicious and decided as my first bookmark to tag and annotate our project's website openiris.org (dead landing page still exists)., When I clicked Save, delicious returned and told me that 13 others had already bookmarked that page.
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>To me, that was a marvelous revelation - this was long before the likes of twitter and Zuck was still talking up Facebook. Now, I could see what others were thinking, what topics seemed related, etc. The bookmarking platform I built for CALO was called Tagomizer.
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>So, is the social aspect important? Yup.
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>But, to me, there's a somewhat unsocial dimension equally valuable: my own private and walled-garden research. That is, private channels.
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>For that, https://hypothes.is/ fits the bill just fine. It has an API which allows me to bring down my stuff, or public stuff, and process it as needed.
You can use the roam/js hypothes.is extension to import+sync your annotations to your roam graph (here's a demo of the process). Alternatively, you can use an app like textsniper (macOS) to get a quick copy paste process without importing the pdf in your graph.
I don't think of Readwise as a "highlight manager", but I'm not sure what a highlight manager is anyway. I use Readwise to collect highlights, and make notes, from books, mainly on Kindle, Apple Books, and highlights I collect from paper books using the Readwise iOS app. I also use Readwise's integrations with Instapaper, Pocket, Hypothes.is, and Libby. Mostly, though, its books that I am highlighting and noting witn Readwise. Adding bookmarks to Readwise notes is part of reading books. I don't think Readwise would be a good bookmark manager.
I played around with Raindrop.io but not much.
Generally in these areas, having a preexisting model to imitate is far better/easier than trying to innovate something from scratch. Try something minimal and easy and evolve it as your needs dictate.
See also notes from Annie Murphy Paul's The Extended Mind.
I've gotten really into highlighting things. I use Pocket Premium to highlight things usually but my main bookmark manager, Raindrop.io, came out with highlights recently! I'm also playing around a bit with Hypothes.is.
I've also recently gotten a subscription to Readwise, which not only syncs your highlights with a bunch of other services and allows you to export them (I export them to Obsidian), but it also has a really neat feature where it picks a random highlight that you can review each day. It's really neat!
Memex can now handle PDFs too. Also local files, like Hypothes.is.
The upcoming Readwise reader will also cover PDFs - at least for storage and reading. Hopefully that will mean highlights also.
Not so sure it would handle local PDF files stored in the browser though. But let's see. I don't have a clue about their architecture yet.
I second the annotation thing. It seems to be working in getting my students to read (or at least open) the math textbook for my class. You should look into the "social annotation" tools for this: Hypothes.is and Perusall are the two I'm aware of.
I have been waiting for too long, and despite being reasonably tech-aware, I haven't been able to get the "on-boarding". I just need the access to the development and start with my data collection and Obsidian connection.
It's good to have "some update", but they are making it sound like a concierge service. I don't need it. I need a reliable solution to sync with the browser and the PDF's I read. That's all. Hypothes.is is bad in that regard. Their requirement for being on Discord is onerous- the application is horrible to begin with and lags terribly on my hardware.
Nevertheless, it is the TINA- There Is No Alternative- especially if you want a reliable option from web annotation (and PDF's) to sync to Obsidian. I won't touch Roam Research and there's no comparable solution to Readwise.
Will I recommend it? In this frame of mind, NO. I agree that software can be complex but raising the expectations and then underdelivering it is a bad customer move.
I hope someone from their team is reading it and reaches out to allow me access. My repeated exhortations on Twitter have not yielded anything.
I'm wondering about the exact same thing, don't know of a place for this on Reddit.
What annotations are you talking about, for example for the article you mentioned? Have you tried hypothes.is? Sometimes I see public annotations on there, though admittedly very rarely.
Sidekick is a lot like a lot of the other browsers in this thread like Stack, Biscuit and Station. SigmaOS shares some of the same design patterns but has a couple significant differences. The big one under the hood is that it’s WebKit, not Chromium or Electron so in runs more like Safari and improves performance.
The second thing is that it’s a bit more of a hybrid between the other neo-browsers and a more traditional one, at least the way I use it. You sort everything into workspaces (groups), then vertical tabs, there’s an additional level of grouping within a workspace as well. I have some workspace setup for web-apps similar to the other mentioned browsers, then I have project-based workspaces that I use pretty similar to Vivaldi or Edge tab groups.
Sidekick seems like it focuses primarily on the whole permanent web-app angle while leaving your traditional browsing tasks to whatever your default browser is.
I’ll jump to Sigma full time as soon as they get Raindrop.io, Matter and Hypothes.is extensions supported.
Here's my workflow:
Feel free to ask me any questions
I've just started trying Hypothes.is today. It seems a little too big for me, but I really do like the idea of making it easier to save reference notes and annotations as you read. Especially that it stupports PDF
I stumble upon the same issue. What is confusing is the wording on the sync page. It suggests there are no highlights at all.
>Import Complete
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>Your account has been connected.
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>However, it seems as though you don't have any Hypothes.is highlights yet. Get highlighting.
I already have a trial account- I can make it more meaningful if the pain point of annotation goes away- Something as seamless as Inoreader system that you have implemented- syncs in real time.
I need Readwise to become the central point for personal knowledge system- especially for lifelong learning. I am also carefully looking at Obsidian to extend the ideas for writing.
If you mean hypothes.is, you might take a look at https://forum.obsidian.md/t/retrieve-annotations-for-hypothes-is-via-templater-plugin-hypothes-idian/17225 which has some options for doing this easily.
Do you have 1:1 devices in your school? If so, I have found the chrome extension https://hypothes.is/ to be incredible. You can digitally annotate any text with your class. Have students pose questions and other students help answer them. They can post pictures, and respond to other comments too. While you can follow the dictates of the curriculum for annotating you can also allow them to perhaps post relevant memes, or interesting questions that turns the annotation into a class discussion that everyone can contribute to at the same time. I have found students really enjoy it and I do too. It also helps that you can easily access each students annotations for the semester and per article in order to tell how well they are doing and progressing.
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Take a look at hypothes.is and Diigo. They hold highlights and annotations in context + allow you to explore those highlights into Roam and give you a link where you can see them in context. I expect there will be more players in this annotation-layer-over-the-web space.
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One site I haven't seen mentioned here yet is https://hypothes.is/
Especially as students get older and more able to discuss and analyze texts it is a fantastic, simple tool. Students can add it as an extension in their Chrome Browser and then you can look at absolutely any article or text on the internet and the students can annotate it collaboratively. They or you can ask a discussion question and other students can reply. It is also really easy to see each individual student and all of their comments so you can grade based on their interaction with the text. Of course, all this only works if each student has access to a device, although maybe pairs would work too. Insert Learning is a similar extension with more functionality but much slower.
Another really helpful tools for something like a novel study is using Google Docs. Create a two-column table and put important passages in one side and then on the other side students can add definitions to difficult words, background info they research, comments, and a section for discussion questions. That way the whole class can collaborate on building knowledge around a text and sharing their ideas.
In addition to curating meta lists here in our subreddits (e.g., this one on COVID-19 misinformation) we can also create such lists by annotating them in our memex (e.g., using hypothes.is and using appropriate tags. Then we can create a "smart search" (in hypothes.is that would be simply a particular URL), which would the matching entries. The one downside to this is that there is no collaborative filtering as here on reddit. That is, such tags and smart search are likely rather a good companion/basis to manage such meta lists here on reddit.
Check in with your students with learning disabilities. If they've never had an online class before, they may not know how to navigate their learning disability in an online class setting. This was one of the biggest lessons I learned when I first started teaching online. Knowing how to manage your disability in a classroom (which in theory they've been doing since grammar school) is totally different than knowing how to manage it in a digital space.
To help all of your students, be really consistent in how you post material. Number the tasks you give them. Use the same format for instructions, announcements, assignments, etc.
Have all tasks due at a consistent time (all of mine are due at 5pm on Sunday for the entire week, even when I suggest that they start a task early, I still set the deadline to 5pm on Sunday).
Send out announcements in briefer chunks of information rather than really long ones.
If you're going to do video lessons, make sure you offer either a transcript or subtitles (as someone who has taken online classes, my biggest pet peeve is not having these because sometimes the speaker isn't as clear as they think they are).
If you're going to have an online discussion be really clear in what you expect. Give examples, word counts, etc. so they know what they should be modeling.
Programs like Hypothes.is are great for group close readings of a text. It's free, easy to use and you can have students turn in their annotations as an assignment.
Screen-cast-o-matic works well for recording lessons/things on your computer screen. Again, free, easy to use and a good tool if you want to ask students to do a presentation on a topic without forcing them to be on camera.
Was planning to do exactly this in Bubble. Would be easy to create a nice interface and link to the Hypothes.is API. Generating the Roam-friendly output would just take some more steps, but sounds like you've got that part sorted out.
Open to collaborate on this - think it would be very useful for the community. Roam + Hypothes.is would be powerful
Not a full answer but I've been contemplating the same question and one thing I'm planning to do is make extensive use of namespaces pages for this, e.g. `[[Imports/nvALT/Some note in nvALT]]`, `[[Imports/Hypothes.is/Some Article in Hypothes.is]]`, etc.
You could probably do something similar with your Evernote folders.
I was a Diigo user, but I was really disappointed that they limited the number of highlights you could do per month. It urged me to look for something else, and that's where I met Hypothes.is. It's a great app and project. They are also involved in W3C's working group about web annotation standards. I recommend it to everyone now! :)
PS - Thanks for the Hypothes.is tip, will also check that out. Have you ever used Diigo? If so, how does it compare? I've been wanting an open-source solution myself, so that highlights/notes aren't held hostage by some third-party service that could disappear any day.
@Abd
https://hypothes.is/users/Emblyn?q=
>ye oliver hates trans people
No evidence presented; this is not only false, but exposes this Emblyn person is insane.
Might as well claim I hate Buddhists or people with long finger-nails. Make BS up as you go along.
> Everything I have written on this case has been based in evidence. The evidence about Darryl Smith and John66 is complex, and not all of it has been published. However, I'd quite clear on it myself. For a year and a half, Oliver and his twin have been claiming that what I write is "lies," but asked for specifics, they don't provide them. Every page on the blog is open for comment, and it would be easy to cite a specific claim. If one wants to be even more specific, hypothes.is could be used and then a page comment pointing to it.
LMAO. Virtually everything you write about Oliver Smith is malicious lies and smears. He's pointed out specifics, but you don't remove or retract your lies. He's provided many examples:
The list can go on and on.
Kevin - so much of your vision resonates with me, and I applaud you for how far you've already come.
I would really appreciate some thoughtful commentary on how Polarized differs from or is similar to hypothes.is. Other than dabbling in both as a user, I don't have a vested interest in either Polarized or hypothes.is (yet!), and I've been looking for a movement to join and contribute to. I say movement because I think the potential goes way beyond a new product or app. I want to interact with information in a fundamentally different but obvious way, which includes a blend of retrieval and referencing, and an overall emphasis on reducing the chore of making connections with content and people so I can focus on the meaning of the connections.
At the core, I don't see a huge gap between the vision you've presented and what I'm reading over at hypothes.is , and for the record I don't think that's a bad thing. I think innovation is commonly obvious to many and executed by few. But, I would like to hear your thoughts if you think there are fundamental differences, overlaps, or other considerations you would voice as we consider funding and participating in Polar.
>Branch, the social aspect of the platform that will allow you to share your reading activities, notes , highlights and bookmarks with friends or other members on the platform. This will be opt in once released.
I would love to know more about how this will work. I sharing a one off function, where I have to explicitly share each annotation? Or is there some sort of grouping where you can follow someone's activities, etc..? I'm also interested if you see any convergence with ideas like hypothes.is. It looks like you're a books first platform that will accommodate articles converted to a designed-for-books format. Polar bookshelf is almost the opposite: it's a reading platform more geared towards articles that would also take in books.
This can also now be annotated using Hypothes.is here: https://hyp.is/go?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.coalition-s.org%2Ffeedback%2F
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Thank you! The account creation is part of how https://hypothes.is works. I don't hold any of the data or login details. Though I agree it would be nice to have a way to comment without any need for login. I will provide this feedback to them. As for notes getting crowded, I think we will need to see frankly.
I am truly flattered about your offer as I am not a web developer ! Will chat via PM.