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Screw the admins. This is absolute bullshit that they're trying to tell us to stop, so that they can protect the users of Reddit who participate in subs like /r/hookertalk. We should not stop at all. If there are subs that we do not attempt to shut down and occupy, it should be out of a strategic decision not to initiate because we don't have the right conditions for victory, not out of fear of the goddamn Reddit admins - who allow subs like this to fucking exist in the first place. Free speech does not include the right to violent speech, hate speech, or speech that perpetuates systems of violence, exploitation, abuse, or oppression.
We just shut down a communication channel for fucking rapists who abuse sex workers. We organized in the CDAP, filed the petition, posted it across multiple subs of the Reddit Left, occupied the sub, sent the petition to the administrators, and got the sub shut down. We did that, all of the Reddit Left, across multiple subs. Good. Let's shut down another fucking one. What the fuck is the point of socialists/anarchists organizing if we're not doing something? If Reddit is a communication channel that allows and supports the organization of subs for abuse, then that's a problem, and we need to address it.
And if they try to shut down the sub, then the sub should move towards communication frameworks like Zeronet, which are peer-to-peer and decentralized, so they cannot be shut down by centralized administration.
I'm proud of what we did with /r/hookertalk.
- https://zeronet.io/ can't be taken down (afaik) and there are a few torrent sites on there already. They don't get any mainstream attention because they're harder to access than a standard webpage and for most that's as far as they'll go
- As soon as you add money to the equation the idea of free file-sharing dies. There's also a more steep learning curve and barrier to entry that will put more people off than it brings in
That's probably the most active ipfs community.
It's not the only project that has promise. There's https://zeronet.io too.
And although completely different, there is the idea of creating a giant meshnet.
The traditional client-server model of the web is about to be made obsolete. Basically, as long as there is a central server, there is something that can be corrupted. Sure, it might not be corrupt... yet. But, eventually, all servers will fall, whether it's through coercion, willing participation (twitter, I'm sure, is eager to censor), or just plain-old intrusion (hacking).
The new paradigm shift is decentralized platforms, empowered by block-chain technology. They can't be hacked, or corrupted, because... they exist everywhere and nowhere at once. Over the course of 2018, you will hear more and more about these new platforms popping up. By 2019, the Orwellian censorship will have gotten so bad, that these platforms will begin to take over. That's my prediction, at least.
Anyway, some other pede linked this, and it looks cool to me: https://zeronet.io/
I'm not sure ZeroNet will be the one that wins out, but, rest assured, something (more likely many somethings) in its mold will power the next generation of the social media.
t. Web Developer
There is understandably concern the site won't last, or a least be ISP blocked in some countries, so....
Have you thought about mirroring the site on Zeronet? The content of a Zeronet page is limited, but you're not exactly a design complex site.
/r/zeronet
P2P websites running on blockchain tech. They will never be able to take us down again. We're leaving the treacherous waters of ICANN DNS and sailing for new treasure upon Namecoin domains.
Never desert your hearties when battle is upon us!
Join us me hearties.
Spread the name of Captain Zeronet far and wide.
The most important thing is that the next filesharing search engine must not depend on DNS. Otherwise "shutting down" a website will continue to be feasible. An option is to use namecoin (.bit sites), or something similar.
The trouble is that popular browsers have built-in support to access sites through DNS, but not anything else. So it's better for it to not be browser-based, and perhaps be integrated with torrent clients.
Now, the search engine shouldn't be just a list of torrents matching a given keyword list. One should be able to comment on torrents, to help people assess whether something is trustworthy. Other features would be rating torrents and some means to verify whether it was uploaded by a trustworthy party (like TPB colored skulls).
Something that looks promising to build p2p websites is zeronet. It builds on top of bittorrent to store the site's contents - the site owner sends a new "content.json" to the swarm in order to update the site.
Zeronet supports interactive websites (for example: a forum, or a torrent search engine where users post their own torrents and other users can comment). I'm not sure how this works yet, but it relies on Bitcoin (blockchains are a way to solve the problem "how to build an interactive, decentralized site").
I think that instead of using browser plugins, one should include a zeronet browser with the torrent client. That way, people will get into it through regular software updates.
Yeah it tends to be the case that every time there is an alt thing it becomes filled with the people who are unable to use the main thing which is often pretty undesirable.
One thing that I have seen that came closest was zeronet Which was filled with little random websites that look a lot like geocities was. They also tend to only internally link to other zero net websites.
Yes, a bit like how torrenting works. Bisq is an example of a decentralized market for cryptocurrencies, for example:
There's also the beginnings of the decentralized web, an example of which is ZeroNet:
https://zeronet.io - Open, free and uncensorable websites, using Bitcoin cryptography, the BitTorrent network and Tor privacy. The time has come to abandon ICANN DNS and create a community where we can never be taken down again. I urge you to recreate KAT on Zeronet.
While many alternatives have already been mentioned, one that deserves attention is ZeroNet, which is essentially BitTorrent applied to web services.
Advantages:
- Runs in your default browser
- Fundamentally uncensorable
- No need to buy a server; every client is its own server
- Free Domani Name Services
- There's already several Reddit-like clones operating on ZeroNet
Disadvantages:
- Less tech-savvy users may have a hard time figuring out how to use it.
- If you have a bunch of new clients with no serving peers, then you're shit outta luck
This. The problem pointed out by OP is at a higher level. Content distribution itself (even anonymous) is the easiest part, at this point. I listed some relevant efforts (imo) in my reply here: pubsub like Scuttlebot, distributed web apps like Zeronet.
Original post from ZeroTalk (note: you'll need to install ZeroNet to access that link)
He pushes decentralization and then says he uses dat. But ultimately he's still relying on centralized self-hosting. There's no mention of ZeroNet at all. I host plenty of sites on ZeroNet, and I don't have to ever worry about my sites going down, even if I turn off my computer or don't have a dedicated self-hosting system. They're decentralized by default.
Dat and IPFS are cool, but they still lack that 'umph' that really forces things to be decentralized, rather than just self-hosted. As for scuttlebutt.... That's not really a web hosting platform.
Look, as a web developer, I don't want to mess with hosting and hoping my site stays online. With ZeroNet, I click a button, and instantly have a web address to use. I upload my work and hit sign/publish and it's instantly available. I visit it through a proxy, and give the link to a friend, and now my site is available online forever. The more people, the faster and more reliable it is.
Hell, even non-developers can make sites. Just click 'clone' on any blog, forum, search engine, wiki, etc. It'll instantly clone the site and have it publicly available with a single click.
But say you're still not happy. One guy owning a site could still bring it down if he got upset, right? Well that's where ZeroNet shines compared to these other solutions. There's an option to decentralize the backend of your site that's already hosted by the masses. You can have multiple data backends, all able to be opted in or opted out by users. And then your viewer frontend. The frontend can be swapped out and the data still viewed. And the backend can be swapped out and you can use the same viewer. No worries about data going down or viewers going down.
Can IPFS or Dat do this? I don't think they can. They're excellent self-hosting (and hopefully decentralized) software. And I do indeed watch them going forward. But for my personal hosting situation, I prefer ZeroNet.
>Peer-to-peer sites using bittorrent and sqlite
Sounds a lot like ZeroNet.... oh. So it's more like the actual official bittorrent site thing, where they just pack a site into a torrent and it's entirely immutable. That basically makes it a non-starter. No one will use sites that aren't interactive and don't update lol. Kills the entire point.
Edit: It's worth noting there's been a few search engines on ZeroNet. Including a full-text search. It's entirely possible.
To be fair, gab.ai is only a temporary solution at best anyways. Once all this 'fake news' legislation comes into force they will be able to shut down websites or domains as they wish. The only way out of all this is via distributed websites and services. They truly can't be taken down unless you switch off the whole internet.
See zeronet.io for example. Basically it's websites built on torrent and blockchain technology with no central server, very clever. They are already playing around with reddit/twitter clones (or similar at least). You can use this proxy to see zeronet sites through your browser. Be warned, however, that there may be illegal content of all sorts if you go randomly clicking links, so be careful and don't be stupid. It's generally accessed via tor so who knows what's up there.
Still, a really good idea, if you're worried about this censorship that is incoming, check it out. You might need it one day.
Also see /r/zeronet for more info.
More info about ZeroNet:
Similar to https://zeronet.io/es, with the difference that IPFS is for sharing files and zeronet to display web content.
Both are ideas to build a decentralized Internet, you don't have the webs or resources in one single place, but you use the same protocol as torrents, P2P, to share the resources between all the nodes/ppl in the network. The quick advantage I think of is that is harder, if not impossible, to take down something.
Lets see them try that with the 'new internet' which is decentralizied and censorship proof.
Example:
Nothing can get banned/censored/deleted/blocked using https://zeronet.io/ it is an Open, free and uncensorable websites, using Bitcoin cryptography and BitTorrent network
Also LBRY and IPFS!
Yep. That was my rationale for mentioning Zeronet -- https://zeronet.io -- and I2P (eepsites).
People should get used to learning more about cryptocurrencies as well and how to accept various crypto payments. Example: https://www.coinpayments.net/
ZeroNet has a concept called "optional files" (see https://zeronet.io/docs/site_development/zeroframe_api_reference/#plugin-optionalmanager). This means that a zite can provide the UI and base functionality in "normal" files and then have e.g. a button through which one can download the individual files holding content (so the optional files). Furthermore the user can remove these files without problem and the sometimes even get cleared automatically, depending on your global and per-zite settings.
How to make ZeroNet work with Tor under Linux/MacOS?
- Add permission for yourself to read the auth cookie. With Debian Linux, the command is sudo usermod -a -G debian-tor [yourlinuxuser]
- Logout/Login with your user to apply group changes
It's distributed dns, so there is no registrar to attack or manipulate. All the data is hosted peer to peer, so no servers. When you decide to visit a 'site', you are getting served like a torrent instead of one point of failure. As long as torrents work, zeronet will work. Oh, and the viewer is your browser. Just on a different port than 80 or 8080. It's localhost 127.0.0.1:43331 I think is the default port. https://zeronet.io https://np.reddit.com/r/zeronet/
ZeroBlogs are made within Zeronet,an decentralized web based on block chain and torrent technology. Combined with Tor, these technologies allow the author to be in full control of their content while remaining anonymous and untraceable.
Seems like it. The dev promised an update to fix connectivity issues and never delivered. I've been keeping an eye on it, but I haven't seen anything. Some other people were offering to help, but the dev wanted to do it solo.
If you're interested in a similar project, but that's open source, actually works, and is damn cool (and more than just a reddit clone), check out ZeroNet. It's a decentralized web that uses bitcoin addresses as the URLs. All the sites are hosted by the people who visit them and want to keep seeding. Domain names work through namecoin. User accounts are tied to a bitcoin address, and then linked with the ID service. But you can make your own and have that used on sites. It's pretty cool.
There's already a reddit-ish type site, and websites are infinitely clonable. The reddit clone, "ZeroTalk" has been cloned a few times to effectively make subreddits. And the whole network feels like time has been rewinded back to the geocities/myspace days where everyone has their own little site. It's amazing and everything I'd hoped from Aether, but with more.
The blockchain net they were talking about exists https://zeronet.io/
> ZeroNet is a decentralized web-like network of peer-to-peer users, created by Tamas Kocsis in 2015. Programming for the network is based in Budapest, Hungary; is built in Python; and is fully open source.[2] Instead of having an IP address, sites are identified by a public key (specifically a bitcoin address). The private key allows the owner of a site to sign and publish changes, which propagate through the network. Sites can be accessed through an ordinary web browser when using the ZeroNet application, which acts as a local webhost for such pages.[2] In addition to using bitcoin cryptography, ZeroNet uses trackers from the BitTorrent network[3] to negotiate connections between peers.[2] ZeroNet is not anonymous by default, but it supports routing traffic through the Tor network.[4]
As a zite owner you have a key that you can use to sign any content of that zite, including other users contents. So to moderate content (e.g. remove it), you as the holder to the primary key for the zite may remove the file from your system, then sign the zite (or just the files through the command line) and publish it. However, AFAIK, the user can just re-sign and publish the content. If you want to limit a user from posting, you can set individual permissions per user in the zite's content.json file, see https://zeronet.io/docs/site_development/content_json/#user_contents
There also exists the possibility of sharing the primary zite key so that others can moderate, however I can't remember how to get it (might be stored in users.json or something in the main ZeroNet-directory) and it isn't advised to do so (plus there might be other ways I can't recall right now 😅).
For me, the difference between a static and a dynamic zite would be that static zites can't even have "dynamic" content (so content, generated by others). They are just prerendered, so to speak, only allowing the owner to have a dynamic view at most.
I read the link you posted, and it seems to confirm my concerns. The instructions you gave don't seem to do what you're expecting.
Scroll down one more section from the instructions you provided:
>If you want to hide your IP address, install the latest version of ZeroNet then click Tor > Enable Tor for every connection on ZeroHello.
I can't confirm that Zeronet is actually using the tor network, but that is much more consistent with what I would expect.
It's ZeroNet (part of the censorship resistant internet) https://zeronet.io/. It's sort of in the ballpark of Tor, I2P, Freenet, all "darknets" if you will-- not as scary as it seems. I mirror my socialist blog on all 4 platforms, and occasionally put up useful content like an ACLU site for immigrants in the United States. But there are, naturally, some far-right trolls on there as well.
sudo vi /etc/tor/torrc
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and uncomment these two lines:
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ControlPort 9051
CookieAuthentication 1
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Follow this guide, under the heading: "How to make ZeroNet work with Tor under Linux/MacOS?"
Yeah, we're filling in the details as best we can. I really appreciate the honest feedback.
This project is based on the ZeroNet (https://zeronet.io/), a decentralized, censorship-resistant version of the WWW. Think BitTorrent, but for websites. So just like how people share content via torrents that can't be taken down as long as there are peers serving the files, you will not be able to remove these websites (called zites), so long as there are peers serving the HTML. Our focus is on providing a secure, highly scalable, decentralized home for all the new DApps & LApps coming to market.
Our flagship product will be Zeronet Explorer, the first mobile browser that will allow visitors to access the Zeronet. Just like with TOR, you need a special client to access the resources. Currently there ONLY exists the desktop version.
Okay. So the token ZeroGold. Its the official token for ALL of our CORE projects (the ones that start with Zero...) that will be built on top of the Zeronet. You don't actually spend any ZeroGold. It works similar to a subscription (we're marketing it as the first HODL token) and the more you have the greater the benefits you will receive (eg. faster bandwidth on the VPN, greater rewards for premium services, etc).
There's a link to the white paper on the website, which may give you a clearer picture. On the website, you'll see a list of the first 9 projects we're planning on rolling out over the next couple months (things could change, based on feedback from the community).
Thanks again for the feedback and don't hesitate if you have any questions or additional comments.
Cheers!
Wow!
Looks really good!
ZeroNet is a decentralized web-like network of peer-to-peer users. Programming for the network is based in Budapest, Hungary; is built in Python; and is fully open source.[1] Instead of having an IP address, sites are identified by a public key (specifically a bitcoin address). The private key allows the owner of a site to sign and publish change, which propagate through the network. Sites can be accessed through an ordinary web browser when using the ZeroNet application, which acts as a local webhost for such pages.[1] In addition to using bitcoin cryptography, ZeroNet uses trackers from the BitTorrent network[2][3][4] to negotiate connections between peers.[1] ZeroNet is anonymous by default, by hiding their IP address using the built in Tor-functionality.
You should check out Zeronet.
Their goal is a decentralized web. They have some sites you may like. You can also run it through Tor if you'd like. That is how I have mine set up.
Actually, the proper way about it is to run the portable ZeroNet client, activate Tor with the top-right button, quite and restart ZeroNet and visit http://127.0.0.1:43110/1FREEMLT3GSta6TynuAC9EWM5mXCnrxkiu/.
Absolutely no mention of ZeroNet which is the exact web solution he was hypothesizing about. Weird plans to try and expand the internet before even getting something off the ground. Horrible plans, tbh.
Get ZeroNet onto cjdns, then push a zeronet+cjdns+meshnet stack. Independent mesh/web without any fuss and without any care as to who's there. Cryptocurrencies are going to crash and burn on meshnets. No way around it. They require high speeds, and people around the world. The exact opposite of meshes. Things like SSB and ZeroNet will be king. IPFS and DAT need to figure out a way of ensuring content stays online with little to no peers, or they're done for. We've already seen with ZeroNet that people aren't willing to do extra work to host content they just looked at.
P2P mesh networks are great it densely populated areas but suck elsewhere as they rely on users having devices to share data and messages across. Amazing idea in principle but not a practical full replacement for the internet.
Something in the middle though, where you use an ISP to get a connection, but users still use their devices to provide a peer to peer "servers" to host and share data would be a pretty fun thing. Would make content impossible to censor or take offline (assuming it's not censored directly at the ISP.. that's a different matter all together). https://zeronet.io/ are trying just that, as it happens.
Yeah people who hosted exit nodes, often with larger capacity web connections, were getting raided by the police over suspected child porn.
In one case the guy had his TOR exit node on a server at a professionally hosted company across town yet they still came to his house and went through everything.
ZeroNet makes use of TOR.
And there is also the TOR Birdy Thunderbird extension. So that Thunderbird will connect through the TOR network for your email.
I use I2P and the Lightning browser on mobile because it has built in settings to work with I2P.
No shit. ZeroNet decentralizes hosting. You cannot access the sites without ZeroNet. There are proxies you can use, but best practice is to run the software.
It's not "special software". It's literally just zeronet. Everything I just said, and that anyone says in this subreddit, is about zeronet, which is a software used for decentralizing web hosting. It does not apply to literally anything else.
Edit: Go read the actual site.
>https://zeronet.io/ uses a blockchain in order to keep track of modifications of zerosites.
No it does not. I can assure you that. There are no blockchains in ZeroNet. The only blockchain that is used is for .bit domain names. The ZeroName dns fetches the entries from namecoin and then the zeronet client resolves the domains from zeroname.
Other than that, no blockchain is used. Site modifications are not tracked. Instead there's a content.json file that contains the sha hashes of the files, and the latest update time. Peers download the newest files in order to obtain the latest site updates.
There is no blockchain storing older data. And as such, things can be deleted from zeronet.
>Thanks to that you can create decentralised internet sites, without servers but still under the authority of the site creator only.
No. The sites do not use the blockchain at all. But yes, the sites are still under the authority of those who have the private key for the domain. You can avoid this using two mechanisms. The first is to publicly post the key. There have been sites like this in the past. The other is to construct a merger site, with hubs and front-ends. Both parts can be replaced by users, and easily cloned. If you don't like the front end, use a different one to access the same content. If you don't like the content, use the front end to connect to different hubs to see different content. Or replace both if you'd like.
The site creator only has authority over the address, not the site. Sites are freely cloneable and able to be edited as you please. And merger sites allow user-ran hubs to display content.
It's an elegant system that removes corruption.
Privacy focused and http? Come on, this is 2017, use letsencrypt/certbot.
As for privacy focused trackers, I would like to see private bittorrent trackers that would keep minimal information about users (no IPs for example). There must be some way to manage abuse without compromising user privacy.
But really, maybe we should just move on from clearnet torrenting. I2P bittorrent is a good direction. Tribler anonymity work sounds promising too (although I haven't tested it). We just need some way to incentivize file sharing there.
Edit: Oh, and forgot to mention ZeroNet's Play, which is a bittorrent index of magnet links.
If you are on Windows you don't need to install anything, get the Zero bundle from https://zeronet.io/ and download and extract the zip then you can browse Zeronet.
You don't install anything it is portable, the download is 10 MB which is very small (less than some GIFs)
I know you!!! We’ll I don’t… but I know your library!! Super cool!!
Technically is it safe to say decentralized, because that implies more than 1 node running the same thing.
Technically speaking - if it’s only on your computer and your computer dies, it’s centralized.
Is my understanding wrong, and both me and you can host a copy of the same website like in ZeroNet?
Regardless, it’s a super cool tool you have!
If anyone out there has darknet contacts... maybe now is the time to introduce those monero (XMR) guys to EOS with ZEOS as the bait.
I also think the team should reach out to https://zeronet.io/ and see if they might incorporate ZEOS into this Tor alternative.
Start looking into Zeronet.io as a backup, it feels good to be able to post a text/video/pdf or what ever without anyone able to do more than mute you, just like usenet back in 1999.
well I wanted to just do a decentralized website: https://zeronet.io/
GitHub can just shutdown tomorrow and kill half of all opensource with it. the decentralized servers cannot be killed off that easy.
For now Rumble and other websites don't censor. That can change at any second, do to the fact that someone is in control of said website and what is allowed and not allowed. If the owner sells the website to someone with different opinions then you can/will be censored. More examples is the government can force them to do things, the owner can change his mind/opinions. Other websites like Odysee are even better because the backend (where all vidoes are being hosted/are located) is completely decentralized, however, the frontend (website itself) is centralized and they can censor also if they choose to.
The point is all posts/uploads are still in the hands of someone's will.
Solution? start using completely decentralized websites, zeronet.io ,albeit a bit clunky because it's so new, where nothing can get censored/blocked/deleted.
If you believe in free speech started learning, using and telling people about the options they have.
I understand 100% that the "The blockchain is forever. It's impossible to censor. Any content that is ever published is ALWAYS available permanently and forever." and "...But the content is still there on the LBRY network." I get it!, I am not disputing that.
BUT THIS "Even if ALL LBRY clients collude to censor content, literally any person with a bit of coding knowledge could create their own, uncensored, LBRY client -- or just download the LBRY Inc. client and comment out the blacklist (which disables it)."
most people do not have a bit of coding knowledge, so if websites(such as Odysee, lbry.tv, etc...) start censoring (and i predict they will), most are left in the dark. That's why I like zeronet.io, nothing can be censored ever however, the user interface is confusing, and in the current state, most people will be unable to use it as intended.
I love decentralized solutions and I LOVE LBRY, but I find it disingenuous for people to claim that it is censorship proof. I would say that LBRY (in its current state ) is censorship resistant and zeronet.io is censorship proof.
If you are really serious then you would upload it into a system that can NEVER get censored/deleted/blocked
Nothing can get banned/censored/deleted/blocked using https://zeronet.io/ it is an Open, free and uncensorable websites, using Bitcoin cryptography and BitTorrent network
There isn't a reddit clone on ZeroNet yet.
>With zeronet the entire thing is synced.
Not really. Each zite is sandboxed, and within a zite, ZN tends to download files as you need them. This is useful since the cache folders have size limits. You can easily increase the limit if the zite needs more space.
There is something akin to if Reddit had a single subreddit (ZeroTalk). Of course, for anyone so inclined, it's possible to copy a zite's code/content and start a different community. This is something that's possible on ZeroNet that the traditional web does not really support (e.g. reddit has code that runs on its backend that users can't inspect, whereas with ZeroNet basically everything is client-side).
Who controls that site, seams like a normal clearnet, DNS required, out of user control site.
Zeronet = Open, free, P2P and uncensorable websites that work offline also.
You control what you share and you can only ignore other user's
Hey dev here. How about a VPS with a blog to share info with the masses? A decent nginx server with good caching and compression could handle millions of users. Instead of twitter mastodon and host it, instead of discord jabber with tls, in the worst case scenario a decentralized network like zeronet (https://zeronet.io/) with these numbers it could be an option since there's enough users for p2p.
>Sorry those can be censored. If you want 100% censorship free experience , use https://zeronet.io/ ,IPFS and LBRY
Nothing is 100% censorship free. ISP's are still able to censor any given hash address or gateway in the IPFS network. The same problem can also be applied to zeronet. ISP's can monitor and block any network traffic that looks like zeronet, IPFS, LBRY or whatever.
True. individual Mastodon and Peertube instances can be censored. However: If people have en easy time setting up a Mastodon or Peertube instance, then it will be as hard to censor as with current pirate and illegal streaming sites. (whenever one is shutdown 10 new mirrorsites are setup).
You need to edit your original post with a correction. Post a link to the actual instructions. On their own, the instructions you gave open a significant security hole in the TOR browser.
This is why we need to be encouraging people to start using decentralized alternatives in which no single entity has the power to censor anything. For a decentralized domain name service, there's Namecoin, and for fully decentralized websites, where there's practically no single point of failure, I highly recommend checking out Zeronet.
Yes, Mastodon and Diaspora instances (remember: it's federated) generally don't work with the feds, however, they are likely to hand over any data if requested (at least, assume they are).
I think ZeroTalk, a service on ZeroNet might be a place for you.
Your "identity" on the platform is basically a cryptographic key with a certain nickname attached to it.
These IDs are freely claimable (as long as they are not taken ofc), mine is [email protected] (gee, who would have guessed) but you could be [email protected] (I'm sorry to any Chinese people... I just had to...) if you want to.
Realistically no way people could know it's you unless it somehow leaks (in which you have a bigger problem... or just go banzai and just straight up tell everyone like I just did).
Furthermore, ZeroNet can run in TOR (it even has built-in stuff for that) so your IP doesn't leak as quickly (just make sure to enable TOR for every connection by setting the tor = always in your zeronet.conf before starting ZeroNet).
You can use it with Tails and your identity can persist as long as your data/users.json is carried over.
Go have a look at it, I think you'll like it :)
Reddit's frontpage used to look like r/conspiracy 's frontpage. It was OK to talk about 9/11, vaccine damage, whatever else. There was a subversive/free-thinking kind of spirit instead of the conformist PC close-mindedness that reddit has become. The site is mostly propaganda. Every subreddit post is about the psyop of the day (last year it was russiagate, today is not questioning 5g and the virus)
Everyone should check said.net.
But also everyone should start getting familiar with the descentralized web (like ZeroNet). Which is probably the best web for the people.
It's becoming clear to me that we have lost this web. It is being used as the new 'TV' to push narratives, to brainwash, and to keep promoting the cult of personality of celebrities and politicians. They have taken over YouTube trends and top results. They have censored social networks and search engines results. There is no transparency nor accountability on what they do with your personal data; in fact, many don't care about keeping it safe (or your passwords) and even exploit it.
In a descentralized web, there are no central servers ("It's nowhere because it's everywhere") ZeroNet is a good example but there are many others. Centralization of the web is what gives power to assholes like Zuckerberg.
It already exists. It's called ZeroNet. It's pretty great. Uncensorable, entirely p2p, built on bittorrent, etc. The dev wasn't paid anything other than donations people willingly gave.
then there is one last hope
We have to decentralize its hosting. We have to make it live through torrents, the dark web or decentralized Internet (e.g. zeronet.io) ;-)
nah that's not really serious
but there is one serious solution. EVERYONE STOP DOWNLOADING, and everyone help archiving it with the files on the Internet Archive's Wayback machine (yes you can save files there as well)
it means that you don't need a webserver to host/serve the dex's files. the web today is mainly client/server, this relies on peer-to-peer (think bittorrent) technology. the order book is not complete yet, but that too can be p2p, if used via the zeronet (see zeronet.io for more info); or perhaps other decentralized databases like OrbitDB and Bluzelle.
development is NOT currently active, but can be re-prioritized, if the community supports it.
> to build a Reddit clone on ZeroNet.
See ZeroTalk https://zeronet.io/docs/using_zeronet/sample_sites/
But due to realtime and pumping lots of traffic requirements you might want to look into https://gun.eco/ which is powering http://notabug.io
It is safe unless you visit sites that host unsafe content. Some people are only using VPN which prevent anyone to see their real IP.
Regarding Tor issue, you can check your computer logs in regards to the Tor errors, also you can check log directory in zeronet.
And read https://zeronet.io/docs/faq/#how-to-use-zeronet-with-tor
You can try to use both Tor from oficial OS repository and also latest one from the Tor site.
>How is integrity achieved in multi-user sites in zeronet.
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>how can visitors verify that the correct operation is made( not delete other enteries or update another comment)
When you are give write permission by site owner, you can't modify the site freely. Instead you are given right to modify a single json file, where your comments are stored. Then there's a database-like engine that can merge contents of multiple files. https://zeronet.io/docs/site_development/dbschema_json/
>what if the site owner is not currently active
You have to wait.
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// I'm new to this project, just learning how it works
In one way; The dev is using a lot of the cryptography already employed in bitcoin: https://zeronet.io/docs/faq/
"ZeroNet only uses the cryptography of Bitcoin for site addresses and content signing/verification. User identification is based on Bitcoin's BIP32 format."
Hvis nogen skulle være interesserede så har jeg i øvrigt fundet 8chan igen. Den er nu hostet på zeronet https://zeronet.io/, en p2p baseret infrastruktur, så hel og lykke med at lukke den ned(Kina har prøvet længe), under dette småspøjse link: http://127.0.0.1:43110/1DdPHedr5Tz55EtQWxqvsbEXPdc4uCVi9D/
Det kræver man har zeronet installeret, ligesom en alm. torrent klient - så vær lige ekstra opmærksom på evt. ulovligheder, da du nu ikke bare kommer til at hente det i nogen temp filer, men rent faktisk også distribuere det videre til andre...
See ZeroNet.io.
With BitTorrent, you don't download files from a single server, but you download pieces of the files from many different users, and you upload the pieces you already have. ZeroNet applies this to websites: the files that make up the website are shared between users. You download them as you request pages, and upload them in the background. Like with regular BitTorrent, cryptography is used to verify that you are getting the correct files, and not something a user maliciously inserted. But there's a twist: the author of the website has a private key he can use to sign new files so he can update the website. And he can also sign other keys, so that for example a registered user can make posts.
Check out zeronet I’m not saying it has what you’re looking for, but it has that early web feeling. Also, nothing can be censored the way the current internet can. https://zeronet.io/ it’s nice having that vibe to it.
I think you are looking for this: https://zeronet.io/docs/site_development/zeroframe_api_reference/
Basically you have an object in ZeroFrame.js that you can use as an interface to request files and data of your zite.
Good luck!
I think this is the right time to introduce you all to ZeroNet.
ZeroNet is a project that aims to decentralize the web by using BitTorrent technology. To put it simply, all content is hosted by the community, so no content will get censored or controlled by a single entity.
I've created a reddit-ish platform for WPD on ZeroNet at this link. In order to open it, you'll have to download and install ZeroNet first. I know it's a bit of a hassle, but I believe this is the first step in the right direction to a truly open and transparent internet.
I hope we can all jump in and breathe life to this new platform.
The current tracker-based system is very easily blocked by censors. I know that DHT is on the roadmap for the core developers.
Our team is working on a blockchain solution (using the Ethereum network), which CANNOT be blocked without blocking the ENTIRE Ethereum network along with it. You should expect to see movement on this within the next few weeks. We have several new launches, fast approaching!
Maybe set one of these up (with Tor enabled): https://zeronet.io/
Then create a burner Reddit account (under Tor), paste the link once and if you're lucky, it'll get around.
It can be simple, with only PrivateBin links to the chapters.
But yeah, like seeking recognition for this type of work is probably not the best way to go since it can go back to you if you get a C&D.
Here is a link to the NEW Official Donation Page.
No disrespect to the altruists out there, but the Zeronet is in DESPARATE NEED OF MONITIZATION. And it's what my team and I have been focused on for the last 8 months. For those that don't want it, don't use. But in my time, I've seen what a tremendous impact $$$ has on quality of content. The most notable example I like to reference was the month after Google added Paid Apps to the app store. In just 30 days, it changed the entire landscape, from almost entirely black-and-white (hobby) apps to full-color (pro studio) apps. It's like all the best devs were just waiting for a revenue channel. Not expecting Google-like success here (they offered MAANNNYYYYY incentives to devs), but it seems to be a necessary first step.
Just my 2¢
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ZeroNet offers decentralized, censorship resistant and peer-to-peer git hosting, just what you wanted:
It's called "Git center", the address is 1GitLiXB6t5r8vuU2zC6a8GYj9ME6HMQ4t.
It isn't becoming, it already is. I've been using it every for like 2 years for finding torrents and talking with really fucking weird people. I'm old so I remember the early internet and this is the new early internet.
This is already solved with ZeroNet. ZN can run over meshnets fine provided they use IPV4. IPV6 is possible but not implemented yet.
Basically it's the web, but sites are hosted on the visitors' computers. Regularly it uses trackers to find peers, but you can just do regular bootstrapping. Has peer exchange and such so it's all good.
Try ZeroNet. It makes the web fun again. Anyone can easily make a website with 0 fuss. Lots of stuff is still real basic since it basically cuts out any kind of external loading. It's all p2p and tech enthusiasts so none of the sites have ads. It's wonderful.
No way to censor. Sites are all incredibly small (10mb max by default). And they're decentrally hosted which means that static sites don't even need an internet connection to view, and on meshnets you don't have to go more than a few hops for popular sites.
We have: Adless/clean versions of... Youtube, Twitter, Reddit, Google, file uploading services, medium, stackexchange, github, 4chan, etc. We have mail services, chatrooms, etc.
As an example, this is what the youtube clone looks like without an adblocker and through safari.
It's all very wonderful, and will be even better when paired up with something like cjdns and a physical meshnet.
Some software that looks like it has the potential to change the world is ZeroNet. It allows for entirely decentralized websites to be created by anyone easily, and I've seen people from Russia to China using it daily to spread information about what's going on in their country which they would never be allowed to share through other means due to their repressive governments.
It's mainly built by one guy, Tomas Kocsis. While not a registered non-profit, the donation page has some important feature bounties that nobody has been able to afford since Bitcoin went up so high. The funds of which would be distributed to the community and whoever implemented the feature.
I host a public proxy into the network here. I believe it could be insanely important especially during these times when the FCC is trying to turn the Internet into one giant paywall.
something like zeronet?
The TL;DR is that it's a decentralized internet based on bittorrent and bitcoin cryptography. You store a local copy of the pages you visit and seed them to others. So if you were on Mars and visited a page it would take a long time to load, but once you've stored it locally you could seed it to other martians.
We need to not buy the fucking cookies in the first place. Completely encrypted and decentralized internet is the way forward. We cannot permit these money-driven political attacks to have any chance of succeeding.
"Compression" is a bad word for it, but there are real tools aiming to do exactly this. Peer to peer servers designed so you can't kick a website offline without first removing all visitors which use blockchains to maintain integrity of the results are a thing. See this for one example
blog.zeronetwork.bit
I just attempted to go to this in my browser as their website claims it works on any existing browser. Did not work.
wow looks like i'm using typical dns to view a supposed decentralised website.
Thanks for dropping by, I'm done.
I would like to see a way in which Sia can host images on for a website, and create a bityly like shortener links, I kind of sia that maybe happening based on some of the research.
Dropbox use to provide this along with Drive, Onedrive among others, but all have removed this capability. On that note, why not just allow for full on cloud hosting websites, allowing for different frameworks to be installed. Compete or sell to Godaddy, Bluehost as some redditors have mentioned. Decentralized hosting, sort of like https://zeronet.io/ is working to do this, but I don't know how well its growing.
Viral advertisement is always the best and cheapest. One good testimonial video piece showing people using it and saving money is all this takes.
https://zeronet.io/ uses a blockchain in order to keep track of modifications of zerosites. Thanks to that you can create decentralised internet sites, without servers but still under the authority of the site creator only.
Host on ZeroNet as well. Decentralized hosting means it can never go down, even if people try to attack it. Onion sites and clearnet sites still rely on a centralized host and are easily taken down, see Silkroad, PirateBay, etc. Though that certainly depends on how controversial of content there'll be. Most anarchist ideology is fine on the clearnet.
I'd personally be interested in a site/guide/article/etc on how to practice anarchism in a consistent stable way and reduce reliance on current systems. Rather than just single extreme displays of anarchism. No better way to promote anarchism than to show it's possible to opt out of the current system, IMO.
As an addendum: if the goal is to build an archive, and hopefully therfore something that is resilient and unlikely to go down, then I would actually recommend that someone consider creating a zite
Well, I'm old. When they started in 1980, they led the world in integrity. This is actually more about centralization in our news organizations. Which is why decentralization really matters. Like, check this out:
Websites. That can say whatever they want. NO SERVERS.
And... here... we.... go
ZeroNet has a KickassTorrents site as well. You can visit it by downloading the ZeroNet Client at ZeroNet.
Site address is: http://127.0.0.1:43110/1LBr1dHoXvJAMjDgW8Wcg5kbCoKyJnzo6p/
Bakende løsning har vi allerede ja, men det var ikke det jeg mente med "programmer", og mener ikke at vi skal kryptere hele nettlinjen. Vi har og gpg og tor og, men jeg mener enkle løsninger, som apper og programmer med full kryptering. Tenker mer noe slikt som tox, krypterte email løsninger og https://zeronet.io/
Fino a che useremo sistemi centralizzati, non andremo da nessuna parte. Retroshare e Zeronet sono progetti fighissimi... Buona fortuna però a renderli appetibili alle masse.
We need something decentralized.
There is a serious need for some new technology on this front. Like BT changed the game more than a decade ago, we need something new to meet the new internet age's challenges.
Earlier i read about this thing called https://zeronet.io/. I am not sure what it exactly is but it was mentioned as something which can be used to prevent the sort of thing that happened to KAT.
Maybe or maybe not but we do need something new. Normal architecture isn't working.
We can Hail Hydra all we like but we need something with a bit more reliability and not having to mass migrate every few months to years.
> why not create an softwares to keep the db accessible?
You've just described any torrent indexer hosted on ZeroNet. AFAIK TPB isn't on there but there are other torrent indexers using that network. Worth checking out.
https://zeronet.io/ or /r/zeronet
e.g. /r/zeronet/comments/48bzw9/play_1000_movies_with_cover_trailer_details_and/ & /r/zeronet/comments/48whjh/torrentzero_torrents_updated_hourly/
I haven't had time to mess around with ZeroNet too much but it looks promising for what you describe.
Still in the testing phase, but anyone that's actually concerned about the direction of the internet now should put some energy into helping this project out.
Essentially it's P2P decentralized web hosting platform, it needs to run on your computer and help the network, then you access through your Web browser similar to a normal web page. For those who are paranoid it will route through Tor of you want it to.
Perhaps zeronet as well.
However the main issue here in my opinion is bridging the gap between the traditional web as we know it and decentralized alternatives, at least as far as websites go.
Shameless plug: I mod a small community based around this very topic - /r/decentralizeweb