I think perhaps you need to do more research into Cognitive Functions as it seems you have taken a gut reaction to them being wrong simply on the basis that they are too limiting, and by interpreting the functions in the crudest sense. The functions work together, at different levels for every individual. Put simply personality changes based on the order each function is being used, and how much of a function is being used in the time you are using it. We all have each function, some we use more than others. Think of the functions like different songs being played on the radio, each song is always playing but you can't listen to them all loudly at the same time, you have to mute, or turn down certain songs in order to enjoy the music you prefer the most. Sometimes you might be in a mood for a different song than the 2 you most commonly listen to, so you adjust the volume and focus on a different order in your preferences.
I've been reading the below book lately, perhaps you mind find interesting information within?
Dario Nardi spent the past few years on EEG studies, so if you haven't looked into him he's a good place to start for Linked research. The books "Thinking Fast and Slow" and "Predictably Irrational" both cite numerous studies with supporting evidence. Behavioral economics is probably the best field I've found so far for general support on the theory. Not sure if you have access to a research archive like webofscience but I'm sure I can dig up a few links.
Well, apparently someone made some symbols.
Personally, I think the INTJ's one should be swapped with the ENTJ's one.
The ISFJ's one is underwhelming. Is that an oven or some kind of fireplace? I think a shield with a red cross would be a much better representation of them.
EDIT: Aaand there's more from another source.
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You could probably make an argument that the majority of the world's movers and shakers have been EXXX, but that's all I could say confidently.
EDIT: But at the same time, if Adam Smith (probably an introvert) writes The Wealth of Nations and that inspires Extroverts to take action, or informs their action, does he get the credit for his influence? More or less than the people who acted?
I would suggest Joyce Meng! She’s an extremely kind and insightful INFJ, and she has a YouTube channel where she interacts with and interviews different types. Her rates aren’t bad either.
[Here’s a link to her typing services if you’re interested:]
From original time article on subject;
> CarlNg Nov 14, 2013 It appears to be done by personalitypage.com with a sample size of 6000 individuals who took the survey on the website voluntarily.
> @patrickmharkey Hi Patrick. I posted above, but to repeat what I wrote; I compared the distribution of incomes in this chart with a gaussian that had the same mean and a sigma [sqrt(var)] of $5000, and a KS test shows the probability of them being drawn from the same distribution is 99.9%. Therefore, it appears this chart is consistent with noise.
In other words, it is almost certainly bullshit.
My hypothesis on this is actually that INTJ/INTP would be most likely to skew highest on median income, as they're massively overrepresented in one of the most vibrant sectors of the modern economy. (and they skew very low prevalence to begin with, amplifying the trend even more).
Hell if I know how one would validate such a hypothesis effortlessly though ;)
INTJs are way overrepresented in software development too.
> The internal [Google[ survey shows the following for the top three MBTI types: 23.6% are INTJ, 12.5% are ENTJ, and 10.7% are INTP. The general population is 3% INTJ, 3.5% ENTJ, and 4% INTP.
That is, INTJs are eight times more common than they should be. It doesn't surprise me that they're overrepresented on Reddit because they're the type of people who would build Reddit in the first place. They're preferred mode of discourse is well-thought-out arguments and Reddit is exceptional for that.
(I've tested as INTJ consistently for over 20 years, never once deviating.)
Psychological Types, by Carl Gustav Jung is available for torrent multiple places or you can use the archive version here. Its the original work off of which most type theory is based.
Conscious Orientation, by Johannes Hermanus van der Hoop is available in a browser-only form here. I personally like it quite a bit although he does show a huge amount of bias for intuition as compared to sensation.
I've been wanting to get my hands on the Lecture's on Jung's Typology but there isn't a free version I can find. I haven't read it but it is close to the source (Jung) so must have some value.
The Journal of Analytical Psychology has stuff on Jung's typology, though most of their articles are on Jung's other wacked-out-as-fuck theories. Its at libgen scimag.
Indeed XD
Here's a little something I made in my 8th-grade math class for some project last year :D
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/pwivxhv1mc
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btw, INFP here
Big 5 vs. MBTI:
I->E: Extraversion, I has slight correlation with Neuroticism IIRC
S->N: Openness
T->F: Agreeableness, also some correlation with Openness subfacets Openness to Ideas and Feelings, respectively.
P->J: Conscientiousness
One key takeaway is that T->F measures Agreeableness moreso than purely thinking style. This means high F test results are more likely to be Fe types than Fi types - as Big 5 researches McCrae and Costa put it in a paper:
>Moreover, it would be difficult to justify the association of the Feeling function with Agreeableness. For Jung, thinking is an intellectual activity in which judgments are based on the rational application of principles, feeling is the assignment of value (acceptance or rejection) to objects of experience. An individual whose first reaction to each experience was a judgment of rejection (contempt, mistrust, or hatred) without a logical basis would be classified by Jung as a feeling type, but would probably score very low on the MBTI Feeling preference.
Full paper. Has stats but also just nice and good normal human readable evaluation of the MBTI test's usefulness as an indicator of functional type and its correspondences with Big 5. The authors' conclusion:
MBTI ~= Big 5 + fluff, MBTI =/= Jung.
Firstly, you sound like an enneagram 9.
Secondly, there's always going to be an element of doubt or uncertainty about your own type. Studies have shown that only about 40% of your personality is dictated by your genes. The rest of it is influenced by the environment (i.e. chosen by you, or thrust upon you by someone else)
So with this in mind, the way to go about it is not to try to find yourself in a sea of written words, but instead grasp the theory and then use it as a guide to become the person you want to be.
But if you have no interest in crafting your own identity and instead just want to understand yourself as you currently are, then my advice would be to settle for an estimation. Maybe you take a few tests, get a few opinions, and then you'll start to see a cluster of data points around one or more types.
From there, it's simply a matter of picking one you feel is a closest fit, even if it's not entirely accurate, and you're done. If someone asks you what type you are, and you tell them, and if they say you're not that type, you tell them to get fucked and you keep doing your thing.
Reddit Enhancement Suite. It's a browser extension (available for several browsers) that a lot of Redditors use. It's got some nifty features, like it allows you to save comments in an offline (local) database, it shows you various bits of additional detail about other users, and so on.
>Where is his respect for emotional atmosphere? Where is his sentimentality?
These can be found in his work if nowhere in his personality.
> he is just stupid that's all.
I know where you're coming from with this, but it isn't the whole truth. He was incredibly intelligent in order to get himself to where he is in terms of notoriety, and as a result album sales. You all also aren't giving him enough credit in his composing and lyrical skill when you call him stupid. If you've never heard his music you may have the wrong idea, but his lyrics are very often insanely clever. All his arrangements AFAIK are produced by him, and a few of his albums are extremely well received critically (ex. his album My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is the #1 album from 2010 on RateYourMusic.com). He may act like a dick sometimes, but he isn't exactly stupid.
>His music lacks any kind novelty
for reasons I've mentioned previously, this is largely disagreed with by people who have actually listened through his discography. I'm not saying his music is the best ever and anyone who disagrees is wrong, but to flat out say his work completely lacks experimentation or originality is a misrepresentation of his work. It isn't as widely-liked, but if you want to hear him do some truly experimental rap you might want to take a look at Yeezus.
I'm sitting at 43,687 unread emails. While that would warrant ending my own life if it were important stuff, it's all just newsletters and useless stuff anyway. It's gotten this way because I forward all my emails from every address I've ever had to a single inbox.
It's become such a problem that I use Office 365 which has a clutter autosorter in combination with Spark to aggressively cut down on emails and send push notifications to me when I actually get something important. It works quite well IME and despite my volume of emails I usually know instantly if I got something important. Also, Easilydo is fabulous for making sure I know about actionable emails from important people and reminding me about follow-ups as well as cataloging bills and receipts. So my email game is strong now.
As of this moment...
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Pirsig
The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Between Noon and Three by Robert Capon
The Power Broker by Robert Caro
No Man is an Island by Thomas Merton
A lot of Roberts. Wow.
Thank you so much for the support and the advice. It really is appreciated, and I'll definitely try out the list-making technique. I currently use Trello to keep track of everything in my life, and it has been working okay. I still get overwhelmed just looking at it, as it lays out all my tasks in front of me in different lists. Here's a link to my trello for more context. I don't mind sharing it.
Here it is -- was listening while vacuuming so I didn't catch all of it, but interesting: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cDovL3BlcnNvbmFsaXR5aGFja2VyLmxpYnN5bi5jb20vcnNz/episode/ZGI5NDhiMzktMzViYi00Zjk3LWIxNzMtYmIzNTdlOGVhMTAx?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwj5-aiHhcPpAhWKnOAKHbB8DxIQieUEegQIChAE&ep=6
Thank you for acknowledging the good intent in my response. The facts probably played out very differently in each situation from the way I slanted it. But hope it might help to see there's two possible sides to the issue.
I think everyone's who's said Fi is self-centered is right. But the dialogues can be:
Dysfunctional Fi user - "I'm terrible, I'm awful, I'm an embarrassment, I'm a failure..."
Dysfunctional Fe user - "You are so selfish, you always and only think about yourself!"
;)
Mine is very similar to /u/RamenNoodlesBruh but less concrete, more like this node visualization.
Same ability to zoom and traverse.
Edit: This is a nice image too. Maybe this is all a part of a recursive metastructure.
For Fi, what is good or bad determines what is right or wrong. For Ti, what is right or wrong (correct/incorrect) determines what is good or bad. Ti spends much of its time sifting through information, picking out the good and bad data ("clean slicing" of information), forming logical conclusions and theories, seeing loopholes, and differentiating similar things. Compare this to Fi, which is concerned with processing what "feels right" and striving to maintain internal harmony between the emotional, gut-level reaction and the morals/values that are associated with it. It spends time refining what is important to the person and how they feel about things. These descriptions aren't the whole story, I'm just trying my best to give you an overview.
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With these two distinct "modes of operation" in mind, hopefully you can imagine how these two different functions will affect a person when it's their primary function, the one they use ALL THE TIME. They have entirely different goals and different ways of going about those goals.
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Every human experiences emotion; you don't have to have Feeling as a primary or secondary function to feel their power. However, I think that those who do use feeling primarily or secondarily are more in-tune with their feelings, and they definitely consider them more when making decisions.
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Emotions are a system that kept us alive when we were living in caves. Think about how fear keeps you away from something... like a Lion, perhaps? Emotions also communicate needs. For example, sadness symbolizes a loss and encourages you to retreat. See this link for more info on that if you're interested; it may help explain to you where your emotions come from.
Yup! Kinda like that. Recognizing when my thought patterns are negative, unreasonable or unrealistic.
Here's a link for more info on CBT. You can learn it through traditional therapy, or teach yourself, or I think there's even an app now that helps you lol. It's really interesting!
That's right around when I had mine done as well. Yes, back then there was only 1 option. In my old text file of my genome that I first downloaded I had an answer. Now I see that it has been changed to (-,-) in latest text file download (v4 I beileve).
This is the message provided in my latest 23andMe text file download:
> "Below is a text version of your data. Fields are TAB-separated > Each line corresponds to a single SNP. For each SNP, we provide its identifier (an rsid or an internal id), its location on the reference human genome, and the genotype call oriented with respect to the plus strand on the human reference sequence. We are using reference human assembly build 37 (also known as Annotation Release 104). Note that it is possible that data downloaded at different times may be different due to ongoing improvements in our ability to call genotypes. More information about these changes can be found at: https://www.23andme.com/you/download/revisions/"
I bet this is what has happened to some of us. As they continually re-test the data, some of the answers we once had disappear in favor of other genetic information that 23andMe wishes (or is legally able) to provide us with.
Yesterday I was playing a game of skribbl.io with my friends and I was trying to make a new window since the window I was using already had like 10 tabs for other stuff and my computer stopped responding once I did make a new one so I went from first to last place :(( I also have at least 23 windows up right now and there's 2-10 tabs in each window send help please
I'm really loving all of this; seeing that picture/wheel you made has me thinking that the stereotype words should probably change; "Goofy" vs. "Charming" seems weird and doesn't capture the whole "smart" thing, and "Pedantic" can only be taken poorly. You could do ISFJs are Caring/Careful and INTPs are Careful/Goofy (replacement word for Goofy TBD).
EDIT: Goofy changed to "Clever?" Still keeps the aspect of goofy that's important, but takes Ti more into account.
EDIT 2: I like the Caring/Careful dichotomy that I oh-so-cleverly came up with, but one of these words would probably be better. Deliberate, Precise, Judicious, etc.
Because mbti doesnt explain it. Its a socionics theory. In fact they have a description for EVERY itr(intertype relationship). Chart: http://www.pearltrees.com/s/pic/or/socionics-inter-type-relations-62408104
Btw for the introverts in socionics, the j/p are switched so INTP for example becomes INTj
we need to build the ancapistain all governments gets in a totalitarian regime, eventually. It's the God that failed
As a matter of fact he did use the term "valid". :)
From : “6 June 1934,” Nietzsche’s Zarathustra I
"On the idea that the moment of creation, whether a work of art or person, carries the uniqueness of the moment in its character: This is substantiated in a way by the very awkward fact that the uniqueness of the particular moment in time in which a thing is created is characterized by certain qualities, as is proved by the fact that the horoscope can give the character of an individual. If it were impossible to deduce a human character from a horoscope, then of course that whole idea of the identity of the uniqueness of the self with the uniqueness of the moment when a thing comes into existence would not be valid; but as a matter of fact you can deduce from a horoscope, you can show the character of an individual to an amazing extent."
(Source: Jung on Astrology https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075D8SD6R/ref=dp_kinw_strp_exp_1_1)
Do you know how to use a chainsaw safely? Key word: safely.
If not, that had best be part of your 6 hours of research. Here's a good place to start: https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Guide-Felling-Woodcutting-Methods/dp/0615338798/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=to+fell+a+tree&qid=1596384158&sr=8-1
This is very reminiscent of the "classic" and "romantic" perspectives of viewing the world from Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which is quite interesting to see.
Anyway, got casually Trinitarian (56%/44%), which is pretty much what I expected.
http://i.imgur.com/V1GTOo6.jpg
you can't see the titles very easily so I'll also list some. I'm a lot better at buying books than reading or finishing them. This is also from last fall and I've added at least 20 more
Predictably Irrational (from a social psych class)
Lolita
Virginia Woolf Short story collection
Mrs. Dalloway
Lolita
Crime and Punishment
The Sun Also Rises
The Dharma Bums
The king James bible
Far from the Madding Crowd
All Quiet on the Western Front
Lake Como
Cloud Atlas
The politics of reality
The Art of War
Beyond Good & Evil
This Spoke Zarathustra
Neuroscience of Personality
The Republic
1984
Shakspeare's collected works
Frankenstein
Dracula
Dune
Infinite Jest
The Brothers Karamazov
The Kingdom of God is Within You
The Odyssey
Lord of the Rings
War and Peace
White Teeth
A bunch of Chomsky
Ulysses
Psychological types
The Dispossesed
Madness and Civilization
The Communist Manifesto
There are a fuck ton I don't remember and I'm not at home :(
> For most things, probably. Even then people have a hard time understanding some of my more controversial stances on things and reasonings, but I've learned it's my only chance at being understood. It often robs my words of the impact that originally inspired them, though.
That's kind of neat.
> I at least make an attempt at theorizing most things, and I doubt it's Ti because it's not a meticulous mental model like it's usually described
Yeah, you fit INFP too well. I can't see you as a Ti type :)
> I need to research what it means to have Ne as the creative function.
Perhaps it has something to do with exploration?
> I'm an enneagram 5w4?
Not likely, E5 is very detached and they certainly don't have a monopoly on learning (thankfully!), though honestly, some of the E5s are completely loopy - almost savant like, they over-complicate everything. It clashes pretty hard with Fi too, I have known people to say that INFP E5 simply does not exist (some even use it as a joke combination to troll people).
> INFP image is that I have a near-constant desire to understand most things.
I have actually been reading The Shock Doctrine, by Naomi Klein, who as far as I can tell is an academically inclined NFP. She explores history and ideas very thoroughly, but there is always an emotional, people focused agenda behind every story. It's like she is seeking justice for the people who have been wronged. She doesn't analyze the hell out of everything and stickytape evidence together in a neutral fashion. Instead, she tells the story, and then she explains how it fits into her personal viewpoint - biased, but it is very moving. I'm guessing that's how you think as well?
Steve and I read Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman together on a car trip! (Audiobook.) It was certainly charming and relatable.
edit: Nobody on the internet has any reason to know that my father is Steve...
There is actually a book about this. I had picked it up in a used bookstore years ago (it was originally published in 1995), before I'd ever heard of MBTI. It relates writing styles to MBTI types. If I remember correctly, it also talked about how the types will go about tackling a writing project, like a college paper.
Personality Type: An Owners Manual
This is a book, not an online source, but it's the best resource I've read. It has profiles on each type as well as very in-depth descriptions of the different functions, and it helped me move beyond the "profile" sort of typing where you just try to match someone's personality as a whole to those prefabricated profiles to actually understanding how functions work and how they might express themselves differently in people's behaviour. It's a good investment IMO.
I would first do a digital detox because social media and cell phones are design to shorten memory recall. People who are addicted to screens, have a harder time concentrating, they're often forgetful...
So first step I would do is take a screen addiction quiz or test online to see how deeply you're into that stealth addiction.
And secondly I would start reading paper books. not Kindle or anything with the screen but actual physical paper books because that helps improve long-term memory recall.
You can get more detail by reading a book called How to Break Up With Your Cell Phonethe author did a lot of research and provides scientific studies citation to back up her points I made above.
The anima & animus is an interesting subject, a murky one too, I think it was Jung who said anima/animus (inferior function) work is sometimes "dangerous" and it might be obvious why in a moment.
There's a translation (from German) from C.G. Jung's wife, Emma, of her 2 essays on the subject- https://www.amazon.com/Animus-Anima-Essays-Emma-Jung/dp/0882149644/
I've read through this once & I'm re-reading it again, I always get more out of these dense subject books the 2nd time around. My understanding is that every one of us has a contra-sexual personality within us, a sort of unconscious "ideal partner" who, being an archetype (an abstract or trans-personal pattern our minds understand when it "sees" it), is "projected" on others who happen to match our preordained sense of who that should be. I suspect this is how romantic attraction, especially the "numinous" (emotionally charged) kind that suggests thoughts of "omg I met my soulmate!" begins - our unconscious mind is projecting our anima (for men) or animus (for women) archetype onto someone who appears to match our own idealized, hidden/unconscious, version of this "person." It's not just anyone, something about them has to trigger the pattern-matching of that anima or animus archetype.
Where it goes deeper is how MBTI type relates - it's a common matter to associate the anima/animus with our "inferior function," the opposite of our dominant/hero function. In that respect I suppose we could say that our anima or animus, while it might otherwise be difficult to characterize (it is unconscious when we are young anyhow), does have a character quality of our opposite type, as it's assuming the hero function of our opposite type.
I suspect our idealized examples of our anima or animus are developed early in childhood, and refined during our late childhood & teenage years before puberty. They are probably colored or "biased" by our inferior cognitive function.
Typing sociopaths is easy. The stupid vapid eyes, the fake voice. It's shocking t me that people don't know how to do it.
Here's some facial composites: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Facing-a-psychopath%3A-Detecting-the-dark-triad-from-Holtzman/b2ca90a5b22799804c565429f5cad564b66691b7
MBTI's data anaysis: https://www.mbtionline.com/-/media/Myers-Briggs/Files/Resources-Hub-Files/Practitioner-Resources/MBTI_FormM_Supplement.pdf?la=en-US
Research paper that highlights the fundamental problems of functions: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Case-Against-Type-Dynamics-Reynierse/78591ba42c54c74fa430e3b91cd94a5d3507d72f
Does this mean MBTI by letters is the true nature of reality? No. But MBTI has found meaningful correlations to other personality inventories more widely accepted by science (and internal consistency), unlike MBTI by functions. Just because this sub thinks that functions are soo intellectual doesn't make it any more scientific or real.
Anything from Claudio Naranjo and Oscar Ichazo. Specifically Character and Neurosis.
Link to amazon page if in the US: https://www.amazon.com/Character-Neurosis-Integrative-Claudio-Naranjo/dp/0895560666
I'm only kinda competent now because I've studied it for 20 years. And when I first got into it, there were far fewer websites dedicated to the MBTI. 16 Personalities wasn't a thing at all. A lot of the websites that did exist had a very "Karen made this at home while her kids were at school" geosites look to them. My school had one MBTI book. You can be good at anything if you keep at it long enough, however I only stuck with it for so long because I continued to find it interesting.
If you find MBTI boring, I wouldn't bother with it as tends to be how I deal with subjects I find uncompelling. Is the interesting part to you just having a type?
https://www.amazon.com/%E2%80%AB%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B4%D8%B1%D9%8A-Arabic-%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D8%A8%D9%84%D9%87-ebook/dp/B07NPSQ4TH I found that on amazon, it's in Arabic i hopee it helps
Satire
noun [ C or U ] UK /ˈsæt.aɪər/ US /ˈsæt.aɪr/
a way of criticizing people or ideas in a humorous way, especially in order to make a political point or a piece of writing that uses this style:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/satire
I criticize myself, for believing for half a year that I was an INFP.
How's that for self-deprecation?
I was 3. I ran into the family room. My dad was setting up magazine holder boxes to put into a bookcase. I grabbed a flattened box and then proceeded to try to figure out how to setup the box. I was fascinated by the puzzle.
Considering that I am ISTJ, I am not surprised that this is my first memory.
Here you go. Idk how to make a shorter link but here's the link lol.
Michael Pierce is one of the best out there. He's in the process of getting a graduate degree in philosophy, which informs a lot of his understanding of type. His book Motes and Beams is culmination of his current thoughts on the system.
There are two things I can say about that video:
If you want to know about Jung's theory, don't get your information from a Youtube video. Read his books. Actually the best one I've read so far was written by his pupil, Marre-Louise Von Frantz: C,G. Jung: His Myth in our Time https://www.amazon.com/Jung-his-myth-our-time/dp/0316905305
I’m an INTP, and I’m married to an ESFJ, and it’s perfect. I mean, it’s perfect for ME, and it always was, but he had to learn to to appreciate me (lol).
I’m pretty sure I read in this book (link below) that an ESFJ is an ideal partner for an INTP.
Gifts Differing: Understanding... https://www.amazon.com/dp/089106074X?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
You just assume they pulled this out of their butt. They actually have tracked this with thousands of people, and the database is freely accessible for everybody to control them, and to ensure the stuff you assumed can't happen.
https://airtable.com/shrQ6IoDtlXpzmC1l/tblyUDDV5zVyuX5VL/viweXFJuHAQpi5as3
May take a few weeks to see results at the very least but message me back by then thanks bb
I'm sorry you're dealing with this, OP. It's so hard to have a tumultuous relationship with your parent, especially when you're still a kid and living at home (am not sure your age but assuming you're a teenager based on this post).
I'm no psychologist, but OP from the sounds of your description, I can tell you this goes way beyond personality types. Your description of "I can't match her emotional needs" and "walk on eggs" while at home are major red flags to me. It is not developmentally appropriate for a parent to rely on their child for emotional support, and you should not live in constant fear of a parent's emotional outbursts.
Is it an option for you to seek counseling/therapy? If not, there are a lot of resources online to deal with difficult parents. One book that may resonate with you is Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents by Lindsay Gibson. While it sounds like you are not yet an adult, there are very useful descriptions in this book that may help you make sense of the dynamic in your family/home.
Again, I'm sorry you are dealing with this. Best of luck OP.
Michael Pierce's Motes and Beams and Dario Nardi's Neuroscience of Personality are two sources I can’t recommend enough.
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Personality Cookbook is a visual guide to personality types and Jungian concepts. Book 4: Navigate dives into the 4 basic human needs we all share, and how they are impacted by introversion vs extraversion, and is FREE HERE NOW until 5/9
The goal of this series is to help newcomers familiarize themselves with some of the denser Jungian concepts, and to give personality veterans with another set of tools when grappling with these topics.
Thanks to everyone who’s been downloading, messaging, and responding to my books these past few weeks! It was truly humbling to see the response last week – a huge download increase, clearly CHARGE was a popular topic. To help anyone that missed book 1, I’ve dropped the price on that intro book HERE permanently. Stay tuned for a physical copy coming soon…Good luck on your journey to self discovery – it’s the best adventure you’ll take.
Michael Pierce's Motes and Beams and Dario Nardi's Neuroscience of Personality are two sources I can’t recommend enough.
Happy thursday all,
Personality Cookbook is a visual guide to personality types and Jungian concepts. Book 3: Charge dives into the impact of introversion vs extraversion on your cognitive functions, and is FREE NOW HERE until 5/2.
The goal of this series is to help newcomers familiarize themselves with some of the denser Jungian concepts, and to give personality veterans with another set of tools when grappling with these topics.
Thanks to everyone who’s been downloading, messaging, and responding to my books these past couple weeks! It was great seeing the trend increase for book 2. To help anyone that missed book 1, I’ve dropped the price on that intro book HERE permanently. Stay tuned for a physical copy coming soon… Good luck on your journey to self discovery – it’s the best adventure you’ll take.
Hey All,
Personality Cookbook is a visual guide to personality types and Jungian concepts. Book 2: Parts dives into the fundamentals of cognitive functions and is FREE NOW until 4/25.
The goal of this series is to help newcomers familiarize themselves with some of the denser Jungian concepts, and to give personality veterans with another set of tools when grappling with these topics. Please enjoy, and I hope this sparks an interest in your own self discovery journey.
Hey All,
Thanks to everyone who downloaded Personality Cookbook book 1 during the promotion last week, and a major thank you to everyone who messaged me / left reviews! Those made my day.
As I promised, the other books in the series will be available on free promotion as well. I've summarized the dates above, up next is Book 2: Parts -- focused on the Jungian cognitive function. Free 4/21 - 4/25
Book 2 is still a great place to hop in if you missed book 1. This series is intended to help newcomers familiarize themselves with some of the denser Jungian concepts, and to give veterans another set of tools to grapple with and discuss these concepts.
Thanks again, and good luck on your self discovery journey.
Michael Pierce's Motes and Beams and Dario Nardi's Neuroscience of Personality are two sources I can’t recommend enough.
Michael Pierce's Motes and Beams and Dario Nardi's Neuroscience of Personality.
I recommend a copy of this but also, depending on where you are in life, some things allow the internal tigers opportunity to hunt. Idle hands, or something like that...
I love rock climbing, flying, downhill biking, things like that. Even though I'm not an athlete... but I love them because, lets say rock climbing (my favorite), you cannot maintain anxiety when you're in the middle of activity. I don't mean you'll fall if you worry -- I mean that your worry ceases because you have a BIGGER worry right in front of you! (even with a rope, the anxiety of fear and falling takes over, and if you have time to think about falling and how that would solve your problem with debt, then it's because you're not in activity state). When you go for a move, if you slip the tiniest bit, it pulls you out of your head and into the present. It's like a zen practice. The sensory (Se for us INFJ is last, being NiFeTiSe, but somehow I'm not super clumsy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) demands focus most presently. So provide 'distraction' from the nonsense. That's where the strawberry is. Doesn't matter if the tigers are internal or external.
That said, there's a whole lot more work to do than that... if only it were that simple, right?!
Try r/zen or maybe some yoga. Maybe Jordan Peterson (unless you're susceptible to motivational speakers, but I'm guessing that's not the case for you...) there are old lectures on youtube from graduate classes that are pretty good, but be warned, your youtube recommendations will become alt-right pretty quick... maybe use incognito or a different alt account just for that nonsense to keep your normal view clean!
Listening to Melancholic Black Metal
Playing my classic guitar, learning songs
Playing games \\ BeamNG drive | ETS 2 | Krunker.io
Reading books or fanfiction of Gravity Falls, I mostly like long novels in the fantasy department.
From the "if you can't beat them, join them department": John did end up marrying an INTJ--after leaving his ISFJ 1st wife (and their son) whom he treated less than wonderfully. Yoko greatly influenced his work, bringing a conceptual art influence into the mix. One of my favourite John songs about Yoko: http://www.allmusic.com/song/dont-let-me-down-mt0005735099
When Yoko took over John's then very shaky financial holdings while in NYC, Lennono became very, very rich.
I think the longer post I wrote to covers it (not written by me), but the general gist is that while INTPs (for example) should be "Ti-dominate", no one has been able to measure that that's the case. For example, we might expect (if function stacks were correct) that INTPs tend to test higher on Thinking than ENTPs (who are supposed to be Ne-dominate).
In truth, we don't see that at all. Even tests written to try to tease out individual functions don't show results consistent with type dynamics.
Instead, what we see empirically is more consistent with normally distributed continuous traits (like the Big 5 has). What the MBTI tradition brings to the table (in my opinion) is descriptions of trait combinations and more neutral language. The function descriptions from this perspective are trait combinations such that Te is actually a description of T + J (and maybe a little E). Kiersey's temperaments are also useful descriptions of trait combinations.
People like Reynierse have also argued that full types are mostly not descriptive in most cases (based on analysis of of data and also given that most people have at least a couple of middling/weak preferences), but that strongest preference pair for an individual is fairly predictive/descriptive.
mINTP here
I pretty much never skip classes, I’m always on time, and I do almost all of my work on time.
However, I get bored in all classes in band. It’s the only reason I managed to do something like this in AP psychology
Place: desk/room (pretty organized, don’t do much with them but 90% of my time is spent there)
Object: A starbucks coffee lol. Or this crown I’ve got
There are too many errors here to correct and the examples are...grossly misguided, to say the least. I recommend reading Isabel Briggs Myers' book on MBTI.
Idk about reading. I would say music because it bypasses reason and rationality and goes straight to emotion. The music one listens to is a reflection of their values and sense of life. I love classical music, mostly romantic era Chopin Rachmaninoff Liszt etc. Beethoven broods like us but I don’t find that necessarily constructive. Rachmaninoff (INFP) is the one that helps me understand myself best, and best reflects my sense of life. Ayn Rand (INTJ) said the same thing about him. Find artists that help you explore and understand your emotional world. Be careful because opening channels that were once closed could bring about an overwhelming flood.
To truly understand emotions is a double edged sword. The best way to gain emotional understanding and empathy is to ourselves experience great pain and suffering, a tragedy. Lose someone you love, that will teach you the depths the human heart can go. But even the empathy that that teaches you may be fairly limited to similar circumstances to your own. The next best thing is being around people who are suffering, doing charitable work or helping during a tragedy.
If that all sounds too drastic, and if it must be reading.. I would recommend something with fictional characters whom you grow to love, and who experience great injustices that are based in nonfiction so you know it actually happened to people and it makes your blood boil. From a cognitive neuroscience perspective this makes the most sense. Something like “A Fine Balance” by Rohinton Mistry
This all reminds me of the link between acetaminophen and lower empathy for pain:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27217114/
https://www.npr.org/2016/07/06/484894653/researchers-examine-why-tylenol-affects-empathy
Why not, I could see it the E type being the Queen and an I type as a in the background piece, plus the Queen moves evolved in History to become more powerful in the chessboard, before it was a counselor with limited moves:
https://www.chess.com/blog/kiwi_overtherainbow/chess-history--the
If we go by moves, which types could be which moves? Zugzwang could be INFJ, Pat INFP, castling ENTJ, linked pawns ESFJ, prophilaxys move INTJ, linked towers ISFJ, Zwischenzug ENTP, .... XD
I found this while googling chess moves, shogi pieces:
https://66.media.tumblr.com/c08676ce8c09be276665698a7f29b0b7/tumblr_o81w5ipbxK1ulz89io1_1280.jpg
No problem!
This is a great podcast on mbti and the cognitive functions (warning though, it's very addictive) https://castbox.fm/va/446 . Also this is a website for testing which cognitive functions you prefer: https://www.idrlabs.com/cognitive-function/test.php
Also, as an INFJ I have always felt both a thinker and a feeler. Mostly too emotional for thinkers and too logical for feelers. That is quite unique about INFJs. As far as I know INTJs are much more often 'true' thinkers.
First, relax. That's hardly worth getting triggered over. I literally just wrote a post about how undesirable of a mate I am relative to my shadow and I ain't stressin'.
>>...the current results support a three-component structure consisting of Aesthetic Sensitivity (AES), Low Sensory Threshold (LST), and Ease of Excitation (EOE)...AES showed the strongest relation with Openness to Experience, while LST and EOE were found to be most closely associated with Neuroticism.
TIL there's different kinds of HSP-ness out there. Nice.
Also, it isn't a stretch to deduce that neuroticism (in its various forms) is more of an F-thing than a T-thing. Everyone gets caught in the grip. Some more likely than others. Fs more likely than Ts.
EDIT: In retrospective speculation, SFs would be less neurotic than NFs, so N over S could lead to more neuroticism as well, with NF much more likely. The plot thickens...
I read study a while back, I'm looking for sources now. So far I found this one:
It calculates the correlation between MBTI and the GMA-A and The Watson-Glaser Critical Thinking Appraisal. It states, "The GMA-A is a high level test of abstract reasoning ability. It measures the ability to think conceptually, to discover underlying pattern within a set of information and to switch easily between contexts and levels of analysis."
This only significant correlation was for the N-S dichotomy, with Ns scoring higher. For the Big 5 it indicates that openness is the biggest metric. (correlation tables are on pg 6)
I swear I read a study which put both ENFPs and INFPs in the top for types for analytical reasoning.
The instant I saw the wall of text with all the lowercase "i", run-on sentences, and more, I see a lack or disdain for Fe and Ti, and a Te-drive for effectiveness and directness and just getting your feelings out there (Fi).
i.e. As long as we get the point, who cares about the presentation. (Te - ENFP)
Fe (INFJ) cares about the presentation! But this line here --
>i also rly wanna organise myself i’m trying to stick to a routine i’ve
spent so much time trying to make for the perfect routine for me but i’m
rly rly struggling.
I don't know of an ENFP - and ENTP for that matter - who doesn't have this problem. I bought her this book for her birthday some years back and she loved me for it.
Also, OP, you sound quintessentially adorkable. Kind of an ENFP trope.
I have a book that might challenge you. If you enjoy history, you may have read already read about the court of Louis IV, but are you familiar with Louis de Rouvroy, the duc de Saint Simon?
r/https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3875/3875-h/3875-h.htm
r/https://www.franceculture.fr/personne-duc-de-saint-simon
Louis de Rouvroy was the duc de Saint Simon, and served at the Court of Louis XIV.
He wrote his memoirs and when they were discovered, he became identified as arguably one of the most definitive historians of the time. His writing style for the memoirs has been extensively studied.
The challenge in reading his memoirs is first, the language. You can read it in French or one of the English translations. I linked the Gutenberg project download for a free option for you.
The second challenge may be to become familiar with the historical figures of the family, the royals and the bastards of the blood. The Duc uses the familiar names and everyone is Louis or Marie, Madames or Monsieur.
It's a royal crossword puzzle.
If you have watched Versailles, the mine series, they do a very good job with most of the historical accuracy and details of Louis's court.
That series brings a modern perspective and builds upon the history that leads to the French Revolution. Almost everyone is familiar with Marie Antoinette but how many know Louis, and how his great grandfather shaped his thinking and fears.
I keep hoping that someone will notice my Louis de Rouvroy and create a movie or series of his life.
He was a remarkable, arrogant, creative genius. I hope you take a look at his life.
music Ah yes, enslaved feelings.
I'm glad to see posted some interesing music. Moonlight's sonata it's a truly powerful piece of music, the first movement (which it's the one you posted here) it's called Adagio sostenuto, the easiest part and the most slow one.
To my perspective it doesn't evoke sadness, nor delution or anything negative. It evokes an etereal and mystic scenario. This movement displays an exact image on my mind: A small hill which has a tree on midnight, the huge full moon lights up the big green meadow and the sky doesn't have this typical boring black color with particle looking stars but instead, a blue fantasy looking (like this: https://pixabay.com/photos/night-sky-star-sky-starry-sky-947865/).
More intriguing than sad, but still, like the soundtrack of a missed soul who came from a magic colorful world but got caught in this boring world and has already given up.
To your first point,
https://www.wordnik.com/words/selfish
I posted this again, because your point is in opposition of this definition. Selfishness doesn't imply imposition, just disregard for others.
To your second point,
Feelings towards an object as dictated by the social opinions of other people is taking into regard their feelings; so, it's not selfish, at least by the definitions I've provided.
And what's with you and using Hitler as a reference?
They've been confirmed by the mod to be friends in real life, but beyond that they have near identical outlooks on MBTI. They only differ on which type is their least favorite, not on which ones are their least favorites. They believe type is a shorthand for assessing a person's intellect and capabilities, what they can and can't do.
SP 2.0 is just a more advanced version of the original, with marginally better writing skills and the capacity to occasionally contribute something that isn't intentionally inflammatory.
I know this board isn't supposed to be school, but here is a fairly good definition of projection.
You could adopt another definition, to be sure, but what you're proposing with your definition is essentially that I have an explanation for this post which I currently believe to be correct, which begs the question of why I would share it at all if I didn't think my explanation could be right.
I don't assume he shares my feelings, or experiences any emotions beyond hatred, disgust, frustration, contempt, etc. He's proudly announced his sociopathy before, and I don't think it's unreasonable to suppose that he's right.
I advanced an idea. I believe I'm right. If someone proves me wrong or makes a better argument, I'd accept that.
If we disagree on the fundamental idea that OP's post reads like satire, there's no point in debate.
It's not just for safety. It's also good for SEO. In general you always want to add a certificate. It's easy and free nowsaday. Use lets encrypt for that. It's done within minutes.
It's funny, INFJ's seem the most prone concretizing their understanding of typology of all the types. Michael Pierce is a good example of this (he concretized his ideas into the book <em>Motes and Beams</em>, which is summarized beautifully by u/Smooth_Sprinkles594 here). Joyce Meng on YouTube is apparently also working on her own guide to type, though she mostly hosts panels showcasing different types and their interactions.
That's not the proper way to build a education system. See Education: Free and compulsory and The Beautiful Tree: A Personal Journey Into How the World's Poorest People are Educating Themselves
>We need to take over the legislature, and change the laws. Make sure only educated, competent and non-corrupt people get to leadership/powerful/influential positions.
I suggest take away government monopoly on force and build private gorvernance running on top of justnarualism and voluntarism. If things go wrong, instead of beg for politicans to fix, you can just get away that governance, just like you stop using any product. That way, they have skin in the game are more likely to have respect for costumers. If the assocation is compulsory like it's now, they will fool people, get in people and can't be fired and the system keep going, until society collapses. To begun with, check out what the anatomy of the state look like
Toontown is being run currently by a few groups. We play Toontown Rewritten, but there's a few others. TTR is the most popular, though, and it's the most reliable.
Luckily my mother has been teaching little ones as of recent years, so she doesn't grade papers- more often she comes home with stories about the tots she teaches.
I rarely watch series that involve true people. I'm more of an anime guy so I only watched a few. Lord of the Rings is a very good (maybe even great?, I forgot) series. For movies, I guess Christopher Nolan movies are very good/great movies, in general. Groundhog Days and The Truman Show are good movies, and The Matrix (only the first) was an alright movie. And yeah, I don't like Game of Thrones too, I dropped it after only a few episodes though, so me disliking me holds no reason or whatever, I guess.
For anime, I am quite biased so at times, I may either rate them very high or very low.
If your question requires me to define what a good series, I'm sorry but I can't explain it properly. I guess great characters, themes, presentation/execution, and plot.
Again, out of topic, but this guy is even bolder, if you look at the movies he rated low (page 18 or 19).
The personality type is determined by the cognitive functions. The 4 letters are a shorthand.
Why do introverted and extraverted functions alternate? Nobody knows. It's called the Harold-Grant function stack, it's the most mainstream theory in the MBTI community, it's presented to most newcomers as a matter of fact ("Learn the functions!"), but some people disagree, such a certain user here (you might see him if you hang around), as well as this guy, and some researchers.
Here's another link:
Click on the View Paper button that's a little ways down the page on the right.
Here is my detailed guide how I determined my type with exact precision. Please follow my instruction carefully:
‘INTJ’ and I can’t recall the last time I saw a number count on mobile chrome, just [:)]
I use OneTab extension on desktop Chrome to regularly sweep up, but keep, the open tabs.
Something something hoarding information.
I'm obsessed about it but don't have many people to talk about it to.
Most people I know aren't interested in it enough to sustain a proper conversation about it. I talk to my husband about my theories and ideas about it fairly regularly, and he intently listens and adds some light comments here and there, but he doesn't really add anything that enlightening to the conversation of MBTI lol.
I've thought about joining those MBTI meetups on meetup.com before but I'm too introverted to care. I think I'd regret meeting new people and get exhausted lol. I'm really happy with my current circle of friends which is already fairly large by my standards. Even though my friends and family don't really indulge me in MBTI conversations, I scour reddit and google to satiate my curiosities in lieu of it.
It’s quite late right now so i doubt anyone will come. I will call tomorrow. Also, i confronted my mother once again and she mentioned that the smell came from the metal stove cover thingy which isn’t any better since i’m pretty sure metal fumes can be pretty toxic. I have given up and accepted my fate , i doubt i will be able to talk any sense into her.
Weirdly enough, she’s very stubborn when it comes to covid vaccinations, and gets mad when my father is reluctant to take it. She mentions that a governmental figure had talked about how they need to regularly take a booster for it to work. I honestly do not understand her.
idk lmaof i get some downvotes with some opinions like that too often. Mostly the ones when I say democracydoesn't really works and isn't the best system. But in this specific comment was probably the link, which i think is rasoable.
Hey, little INFP.
I found something for you: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.twocatsapp.ombroamigo
This is an anonymous venting app and I can emphasize enough how much it helped me when I was on my lowest point. You can vent there, and there are people to listen to you!
It's just a bad day/week/month/year not a bad life Good luck!
You are taking it way to far imo. Read this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Was-That-Really-Me-Personality-ebook/dp/B0058COD3K
I know you’re saying this with mirth, but i would recommend reading a book called “You are not your brain “
I think having the feeling that you can read peoples minds is actually kind of unhealthy and makes a person prone to being hurt and defensive often. I say this with one prime example: me. If you don’t feel like that then I guess just ignore me :D
https://www.amazon.com/INTJ-Female-Understand-Embrace-Personality-ebook/dp/B075STQ4PC
You can buy and read the ebook version on Kindle.
See, this is the problem with today's youth. You have a girl royal brat and they're a princess, you have a boy royal brat and they're a prince, that's what those words mean :P
Also, read this do it now you know you want to.
" Just a sparse collection of little facts about things we take for granted. It was interesting, but the skeptic in me wanted to know how the information was collected, but Voorhees fails to give us a bibliography."
As an INTP, I don't care much for information I can't verify. So a lack of source references is kind of a downer for me. After all, seemingly useless information may end up becoming useful someday, but then verification is pretty important.
Anyway, if you like that book, you might like this book as well. Now THAT's a totally useless book, but I just had to get a copy because the title alone :-D
Well, I suggest you start at the blast site. Go Jung!
https://www.amazon.com/Analytical-Psychology-Practice-Tavistock-Lectures/dp/0394708628
That and its more complicated version(the Psychological Types) are all you really need. If you'd like to know more, feel free to track works of Briggs Myers women and of Aušra Augustavičiute(? something Lithuianian ?) for Socionics.
Enjoy!
I’ve struggled with depression my entire life. Especially growing up I was super shy and had really bad social anxiety. I’ve always felt like I didn’t fit in or belong and it was crushing for me. Now that I’m older, I’m a lot more social, but it’s when I’m alone in my house that the depression really sinks in. I think about suicide almost everyday, although I’ve never actually tried it. It would absolutely destroy my Mom and the thought of that alone is enough to keep me from doing it.
For anyone interested, I’m reading the book Comprehensive INFP Survival Guide to learn how to strengthen my Si and Te. It might not cure my depression, but I think learning how to balance my Fi will help me not internalize so many negative emotions all the time.