What is Reddit's opinion of Celemony Melodyne?

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> How did they do this?

If you mean how technically did they alter the notes of the recording, it was in all likelihood done using pitch editing software called Melodyne. Melodyne is essentially a competitor to Auto-Tune and sets itself apart largely through its ability to recognize and selectively edit individual notes within chords. Its a little more complicated than that... Melodyne is an audio editing environment rather than a real-time effect like Auto-Tune but they cover a lot of similar ground as pitch correction tools.

A program called Melodyne allows you to see the individual notes being played in a piece of audio (in this case, I had the individual tracks from the song), and it allows you to alter them. Sort of like autotune. So I just had to move certain notes up throughout the whole song.

Studio One is great but it's best if you can try out a few first to make sure.

I definitely agree with /u/radiodialdeath some DAWs excel at mixing and recording like Pro Tools. Some excel at MIDI like Ableton (Ableton also excels at live performance), others excel at features for the price like Reaper.

I think Studio One is a nice balance between everything (recording, MIDI, price, features) so if you plan to do it all it's a good choice. Studio One is also a good choice if you are sure that you want to heavily use Melodyne. because of the straight integration and the fact that you get Melodyne Essential ($99) included with the pro edition.

Also because of the Melodyne integration and the very fast essentially 'zero step comping' I think Studio One is a very good choice for a vocalist or someone who records, edits, and mixes vocals frequently.

Studio One is also probably the best choice if you want to use a multi-touchscreen on Windows. It has the most mature support for touchscreen of any DAW as far as I know.

Even if you don't touchscreen - because Studio One was designed around being touchscreen friendly just about everything is 'drag and drop' so Studio One is also great for new users as I think it's ease of use is very high.

As for my own personal reason? Well I'm in a band and my bandmate is more experienced than I am. He is a Studio One user so it made a lot of sense to choose the same DAW for me so we could collaborate easily. We keep our active project saved directly in to a shared dropbox folder so either of us can open or edit it at anytime.

I think they may have used Melodyne for that song. It's cool but it's non-realtime and it's a bit pricey. http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/what-is-melodyne

I like the Pitchwheel VST, which allows you to independently shift the formant as well as the pitch. Meaning you can change the pitch of your voice and/or change the tonal quality of your voice, and it's real-time. I dabbled with making sorta Fever Ray style vocals with it for a bit. http://www.quikquak.com/Prod_Pitchwheel.html

You might try Googling for "Burial-style vocals". There's some good discussion and tutorials. This one is interesting but the vocals were shifted up instead of down. Anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egKGT6q4TnY

Adding some reverb can help smooth out some artifacts from pitch shifting.

There's a lot of other processing going on, but for the effect you're describing, it's a combination of pitch and formant being dropped - primarily formant. You could do something like this in Celemony's Melodyne.

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There's of course Pitcher and NewTone that come with FL, but they may be in demo mode for you, depending on what edition you have.

MAutoPitch is a free plugin that does pitch and formant shifting. I haven't used this specific plugin, but I can confirm that MeldaProduction make some nice plugins (many of them free).

Not free, but if you want the absolute top top top, consider Celemony's Melodyne.

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EDIT: I want to point out that if you add an Edison in the effect chain after Pitcher and NewTone then you can use them normally and just record into Edison, as a means of circumventing the demo mode. Also note that Pitcher and NewTone were recently added to the Signature Bundle, so if you have it go update your regkey!

The only extremely reliable one, and standalone program, is Celemony's Melodyne. You have to pay for it though. Almost all other programs that do this are plugins to be used in DAWs. There are a few free ones, that will show the note that they've detected, but won't generate MIDI from it. Examples are Kerovee and GSnap. A few DAWs also have this feature - FL Studio (NewTone), Ableton Live, Logic Pro.

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This is very difficult. You'd need some sort of polyphonic source separation, which is a big active field of research and unfortunately doesn't really work all that well and the algorithms are very odd. There is one program that can sort of do this and that is Melodyne DNA.

http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/what-is-melodyne

If you were to do it yourself with DSP, the best starting points are sinusoidal modelling or statistical methods of separation like ICA. Most recent approaches use things like NMF (non-negative matrix factorization) or, more recently, Shift Invariant Probabilistic Latent Component Analysis. Even then, these are mostly used to do polyphonic transcription and I'm not sure how well they work for source separation as an actual goal. Melodyne's algorithm is secret but many think it might be something rather simple but effective.

There are also older ideas using instrument templates for sinusoidal modeling, so if you have a bunch of templates of a trumpet spectrum you can estimate the contributions from that instrument in the mix and reduce/remove them - again, doesn't work terribly well as far as I've seen.

This is a big field of research and, unsurprisingly, many see it as the holy grail of audio/music DSP, so there is a lot of work on it, we're just not quite there yet.

The best VST I know (for non Cubase uses ;)) is Melodyne.

They have a free trial version: http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/what-is-melodyne

It's great for smaller vocal editing as well as for vocal manipulation. You can pitch, rearrange the rythm, do a rise, all this cool stuff.

Theoretically it is, but only with very expensive software that can analyze a sound wave and figure out not only what notes are being played, but also which instruments are playing them, then output that data as a midi. I think Melodyne can do this, but the version that can do it is $400, and it would still require manual intervention and technical knowhow.

You might want to make sure that their timing is aligned - you can use Vocalign Project or Melodyne (they both have demos you can use)

There's no such thing.

It's possible to isolate individual instruments using Izotope RX and Celemony Melodyne, but that's an expensive, time-consuming and imperfect option.

It doesn't work polyphonically, unfortunately, so if you feed it a sample that has multiple notes, it's probably going to pick out the strongest note.

The only pitch detection algorithm I've seen that works polyphonically is Celemony's Melodyne. Here's a link. Melodyne is legitimately black magic. It's insane how powerful it is and how well it works.

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> So with Source 2, there is blended dialogue. What this means is that lines are recorded and single words are recorded.

there is more to inflexion than pitch. And this is something you could do in post. http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/what-is-melodyne could do it probably, but not in real time. Autotune is in real time but it isn't nearly as good as Melodyne.

So maybe something optimized specifically for speech, to adjust a range of qualities of the sound on the fly, I dunno, doesn't seem impossible, but seems pretty CPU intensive.

What you are asking for is an unbelievably complicated problem that was always thought to be impossible. It's the equivalent to someone throwing a load of rocks into a lake at the same time while you are blind-folded and then you describing the exact size, speed and angle of each rock from just the wave patterns in the water.

Fortunately, some crazy German genius did the impossible and created Melodyne.

There's really no other choice and you'll need to get the polyphonic version. It's not perfect and if you have tonally complex music, you'll probably hear some artifacts, but it's still amazing considering the complexity of what it does.

Using Celemony Melodyne can be very useful in changing the pitch characteristics of the human voice without effecting it's timbre too much. Professionals use it in the music industry to pitch correct because it's algorithm is very advanced; allowing control over a voice in a few different ways. Free alternatives of this type of software don't offer the manual control like Melodyne does so it will just be pitch correcting to a certain key, rather than manually editing the pitch content of waveforms. Another piece of software that is an alternatives but not as good is Synleor Visual Vox

What an enchanting young lady that actress is, she looks like a spitting image of a young Anna Torv. Yet, I can hear why her voice might be problematic in terms of tonality, it's quite umm... squeaky, for lack of a better word.

melodyne is awesome if you can deal with the workflow.

http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/what-is-melodyne

kontakt is great. the time machine pro option in kontakt is amazing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1F4cAL178BI

As myWorkAccount840 pointed out, master is the best way to go. Sometimes for popular tracks that had their studio audio leaked, you can find the "stems" for the different elements, or also if they are doing public remix competitions.

However, if nothing like that is available for the songs you are interested in, the closest piece of software I'm aware of is Celemony's Melodyne, which allows access to different elements with a fairly good level of isolation.

I've only played with it briefly, but Melodyne is pretty powerful and is using the next-gen sorta pitch recognition.

The other software I've seen things like this on is auto-tune vocal plugins, quite offten they pitch out the notes and allow you to correct them, but in doing so they show all the note values.

This is basically Melodyne with a "to Tab" feature.

Also Ableton Live has some kind of similar function since version nine.

So while this might not be the Perpetuum Mobile I nonetheless think that it's a great idea and I would use it if it provided the funtionality to convert/export to midi.