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Here is a list of the full feature comparison: https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/
In my opinion the biggest differences are:
- Lite having a very limited amout of tracks
- Standard removing that limit
- Suite adding Analog, Operator, Sampler and Max4Live
There's some good advice here (the Ozone comment guy is joking by the way). Raw recording is about 60% of your sound, mixing 38%, mastering 2%.
I'm really tired, otherwise I'd write a very long response, but since I won't, I'll just link you to this pdf. It's a collection of answers from probably the longest forums thread on the Reaper forums assembled into the form of a book. It's called "Why Do Your Recordings Sound Like Ass?" Definitely worth the read, very informative, kind of funny too.
The fast rhythmic thing definitely comes from the darbouka (or any Maghreb or middle east percussion) sequence or sample, it is not an effect-generated sound, and certainly not coming from some real-time guitar sampling and processing.
Moreover, according to the fact that what we see is really what we hear, the delay is set to a very high frequency (i.e. between 1 or 2 ms): it just adds a very short slapback, which means that the rhythm itself has another origin. Just before the camera switches to the guitarist, keyboard guy seems to be ready to play something with his middle finger on the Bb at 0:42 - 0:43. He could lauch the RH part from there, or maybe from a footswitch. Add phaser on top of that and you're good to go.
I took a couple minutes programming a similar pattern in Live with Maschine to prove it : 8 bars dry then the same 8 bars processed with a very short delay and a phaser. I'm not claiming at all that it is the perfect reproduction of your original example, my point is just to say that the easiest way to achieve this fast rhythmic effects is to have a fast sample or sequence to mess with. It was sequenced or sampled before they play together. Later in the track there are more rhythmic sequences. Real-time processed too ? I don't think so.
Anyway, if I had to do it, well I'd do it like I did! But I also wanted to say that there might be different ways to do it, which is cool, and opens a lot of possibilities and ways to learn !
Hope this was helpful.
Semi-obvious is how I would describe it.
When you load up something in Simpler or Sampler, it doesn't respond to velocity values by default. To enable velocity-sensitivity, tweak this slider in Simpler and this one in Sampler.
Intro is great for starting out. You aren't limiting to basic workflow stuff except for the number of tracks. See here for the complete feature comparison - https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/
Yes, you can use the same purchase for the later-date installation. No, you will not need to purchase a second license. I purchased Ableton Live 9 awhile back, installed it on my Windows and Macbook. Both work perfectly.
With Drum Racks you will only be able to play loops using a transposition that allows the sample to match the BPM of your track. Therefore, I'd recommend using Audio tracks for anything that you want to loop as you can warp them and transpose any way you want without changing the BPM, giving you a lot more freedom.
You might also want to get yourself a key finder. Load a few samples into it and find out if they mix, or use a bit of common sense and you'll be able to transpose them so that they do mix. This one's free and has served me well;
Of course though, you should always trust your ears.
APC 40 is not for making beats. You can use it to trigger loops but not as a drum pad.
The first generation PUSH is only $70 more new on amazon than an apc40 and can be used to make beats as well do anything the APC can do.
Well I don't steam all that often but I pretty much always stream projects that don't have to be kept a secret. https://www.twitch.tv/sen_pi/profile I use ableton as well and try to help out when people have questions. That being said, the genre I do might not be your cup of tea and might not help all that much If it isn't :p
Edirol Orchestra is an extremely strong vst. I use it on almost every track I use.
Symphonia however is a freeware and has a pretty decent string preset on there. All the other presets on there are excellent too, it's by far my favorite freeware out there. Just scroll down, it should be the very last one.
If you want a really quick automated approach look into:
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/recycle/
It will put a marker before each transient automatically, then you can easily export every hit into one folder. Insta-sample
Otherwise you will have to make a copy, CMD+L then Crop Clip, for each transient event. (In session view)
Faster method in Ableton: Lay the track into arrangement view, highlight your transient, CMD+E to make each section into it's own clip. Then hit CMD+J on each sample after you rename them, this will consolidate and save them to your Ableton Library/Samples/Consolidate folder.
As Adam said, Live only exports to AIF or WAV. For conversion to anything else (on Windows), take your pick:
Most importantly by having only 16 Channels, 2 Returns and less devices. Here is the full comparison chart: https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/
You'd probably get by if all you want to do is some guitar music.
However you could get something like Reaper (65€) or Bitwig (200€) or FL Studio (190€) to get a full DAW at a more reasonable price. Even Cubase has a version for 240€ that is limited, but can be used in much bigger dimensions.
Another option is to get an edu version if you are allowed to. Ableton Live Standard is 230€ with it and Presonus Studio One is 220€.
Your license gives you two activations. You are allowed to have Live installed on two machines at a time. If you ever need to install more than twice (in the case that one machine dies or you upgrade to better equipment), you can email support explaining why, and they will add more activations to your account. I've activated at least half a dozen times due to OS reinstalls and upgrades as well as PC upgrades.
Here is a detailed comparison between the versions of Live. Live Intro is a very capable piece of software and a great place to start. In my experience, the biggest limitation is that of the number of tracks you can use. If you collect some good VSTs, you can get around most of the other limitations. That said, the extras that come with Standard and Suite are well worth the price when you can pay it.
Thankyou :)
Yep! It's dead simple to make, though. It's actually just a piano.
I wrote the chord progression on a piano track with lots of reverb, bounced down the result, then reversed each individual chord (so that the sound is backwards but the order is the same). Then I just added delay to the bounced track and automated an EQ sweep.
It's an easy but versatile way to get cool pad sounds. Depending on the effects and processing you do, it can create a lot of varied sounds. I apologize for the self promotion, but the intro to this track is a good example of a nicer sound you can get from this technique. (Excuse the low production quality, though)
You could probably do it with pure data. Or MaxMsp/Jitter. Exactly how to write a patch to do it, that's another story all together. I am a very inexperienced user. But there are tons of tutorials and a large userbase.
Also, noticed the 808 kits. This is what I use for my 808s https://www.dropbox.com/s/5wxf1y8nneogloc/808%20Tom.adv use this bad boy in Sampler and you should have some fun.
(Also, the 808 bass preset in Circle is dope. Oh god, I love circle)
i didn't know he did this! I haven't dived into twitch yet because my internet is not very fast but thank you for this. Here's a direct link in case anyone is interested:
This is the closest I could get, didn't spend a that long on it though, I feel like in the original it has a lot to do with how it's sitting with everything. But yeah that's as close as I could get in about 10-15 minutes. If you want the patch or an explanation of how I got it just ask :)
:D
edit: I use a launchpad + bcr with some custom written remote scripts using the framework classes, which works quite nicely
Ah man. You can have so much fun here and since you got a bit of time to do it and its a pre-recorded mix, why not go all out.
Sure you could use two channels but you mentioned you use Ableton for remixing? Use this to your advantage. I generally use the arrangement view and start laying stuff down, looping sections I like, adding midi channels extra drums, synths, what ever I feel like really. You can always use the tempo in the master channel if you want to change it during the mix...
Here is something I put together in a similar way. I kind of treated it like a long remix/edit. Its not all the same tempo or genre of music either, just really posting it here to give you inspiration on what is possible.
Post up your mix when you have finished it and good luck in the contest!
https://www.mixcloud.com/mplain/mat-hoods-exclusive-mix-for-mesaoria/
I use firefox with downloadhelper to get the .flv. I then use Super to convert it to .wav. Not sure if it's the best way, but it works.
Like /u/KrabbyPattyFormula I've never found any way to do it in Live but if it's really important to you you can always download a MIDI editor like this free open-source one for Windows and do the manual editing outside of Live. You just right click your MIDI clip in Live and Export it to your Desktop or elsewhere then open it in your editor. I actually have MidiEditor set up to output playback to a LoopMIDI port which I can set as the MIDI In on the track in Live. This saves you from having to bounce back and forth exporting and reopening every time you make changes. If you're on a Mac there are other free editors out there and I believe iOS has virtual MIDI ports like LoopMIDI built in somehow.
Standard vs Suite is more of an apt comparison, as Intro has reduced functionality compared to Standard and Suite. Suite is basically Standard plus additional effects, instruments, content and max for live.
AFAIK, Intro has slightly more functionality than Lite - the Looper effect for instance.
Lite: https://www.ableton.com/en/products/live-lite/features/
For the most part you should be able to do everything. You're limited to 16 tracks which should be more than enough when getting started. I'd say the only real issue is you'll be missing some of the audio effect devices like eq8 that you'll frequently see being used in tutorials. Simpler is the device that is used mainly in the video and that comes with Live Lite. Full break down of features is here.
https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/
You can always grab Ableton Lite then pickup the upgrades later down the road to Standard or Suite. If you're primarily interested in sample based music Standard might be good enough for what you want to do. The Suite has a lot more built in sounds and has some more Instruments one of them being Sampler, but with the latest updates Simpler (which is the instrument being used in the video) comes with Lite and Standard as well and is probably more than adequate to start with.
Here's their official product page: https://www.ableton.com/en/live/new-in-9-5/
Some things that weren't in the leak:
New sounds. Hopefully they're good as I've always thought Live was lacking in this department.
Three new synths in the Max for Live Essentials pack (cool!)
Something called Link, for syncing Live running on two computers and for syncing iOS apps with Live.
Super stoked for this surprise update from Ableton. :)
You have probably already checked https://www.ableton.com/en/help/article/buying-used-copy/ which states:
"In order to process a license transfer to you, we will need the following information:
The serial number of the product being purchased
The email address used for your Ableton account ,,, etc."
If that's not realistic you can buy a second hand lite/intro/etc. serial providing there's a legit market for that within your reach. Here in Germany that's a 10-20€ option at least. Check with Ableton support about the upgrade paths for the various bundled versions, my M-Audio Live Lite 5 version was eligible for Lite 8 f.ex.
Or you can run Live 9 trial for a month if that suits. For my (noob) level Live Intro is a perfect match (https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/) - hope you'll find a way too or some generous fellow here with a spare Lite version.
Don't be afraid to stretch samples. More often than not you'll end up with amazing results. (Not with melodic vocals)(singing) Go into the warp view of your clip and select warp, go down the menu and change the warp style to anything but complex, transients and beats. Boom! You now got granula resampled sound. How does it sound? Like this;
https://soundcloud.com/slashcamp/100-bpm-amon-tobin-remix/s-Nc442
Everything has that form of stretching applied. Gives that grit and character.
Now is a pretty decent time to buy one!
This is coming from someone who paid $400 for one when it was released and think that it's worth every penny.
You can try to truncate the file at the first sign of XML corruption with this program: https://sourceforge.net/projects/xmltrncatorfixr/.
By default the program uses an XML validator and then truncates the XML file 50 characters before the first found error. It does this because XML validator are not all the same, so corruption sometimes actually begins before some validators (including the one used) find it. You can change the amount of characters before which the file is truncated.
After truncation, the program uses xmllint to add the correct ending tags to make the XML file valid again. The xmllint --recover command that the program uses, does its own validation and truncation, but I found that the validation is not strict enough, so that often it won't excise some corrupt XML at the end of the file, thus the need for using a separate validator, and truncator and even lopping off an extra 50 characters though again you can change the amount of truncation.
Electrostatic is dope, but expensive.
If you want closed ones, the Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro are a fantastic choice - great sound and really comfortable to wear even over longer periods of time.
If you don't mind cutting the material yourself, I recommend this stuff.
No adhesive means less chance of problems down the road.
It's fairly cheap and so worth it. Some people have had success with tape but I failed miserably and it wasn't worth the effort.
If you're a Mac user hook into ControllerMate, it's the most user and GUI friendly. I have never had issues with latency or routing. Very similar to but more logical than Max and much much easier than PureData. I use it to convert gamepads and arcade button data into MIDI data but it will also do key combinations. Its programmability is just enormous, I can't even begin to describe how epic it is… Here's an example of a rather simple drum pad patch: http://tinypic.com/r/2sbv51t/8
You can get very elegant and even tell ControllerMate to play multiple notes, switch MIDI channels and just so much more. I use it to control a MIDI controller I made, check it: http://tinypic.com/r/jkymmq/8
I suspect that USB my be the problem here... and I don't really know how to configure a MIDI controller to run EXT from the TC to Ableton.
these guys were talking about it here, although it was in Cubase: http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1286
Make sure stereo is enabled by both parties in zoom. You can do this by going to Zoom.us and going to your account settings. Go to "In meeting Advanced" and scroll down until you see and select, "Allow user to select original sound" and "Allow user to select stereo".
This will enable you to select these settings in your client or app. Go to those settings then and go to audio, advanced. Then select stereo and original audio and even, "High fidelity Music mode"
These settings get rid of all of the vocal processing and optimize for music.
i got this thing about a year and a half ago - still doing the trick for me. i can run ableton, mpc, and serato all at the same time without lag.
HP 15-ef0875ms 15.6” HD Touchscreen Laptop (AMD Ryzen 7, 12GB Ram, 256GB SSD, AMD Radeon RX Vega 10 Graphics) Windows 10 Home, Natural Silver https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082P3LJD8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_4AXZPC5A523WZEZ103TM?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
The Finder hides various "system-ey" folders from you to avoid confusing you or something, one of them being "Library" folders. There are Library folders on a per-user basis located at /Users/(yourlogin)/Library and at the system level at /Library. Stuff installed "for all users of this computer" lives in /Library. Here's a link explaining how to un-hide them: http://osxdaily.com/2011/07/04/show-library-directory-in-mac-os-x-lion
Sorry, UNIX-ish stuff, you'll need to break out Terminal.app for this. I'm at work and need to, you know, "work," but if you can't get it sorted based on this and nobody else has a solution for you, I can help you poke at it later tonight.
I make Psybient/Psydub. I tend to mix classical Indian music (Sitars, Tablas, vocals etc) with psychedelic arpeggios and dub beats. And effects. Lots and lots of effects processing. Hav eal ist en
I also make a harder, bass heavy type of music which I cant catergorise into one specific genre. Again this involves sampling and a lot of FX processing. Here
I would use ASIO drivers, like http://www.asio4all.org/ instead of MME.
Also, your audio input device is set to Focusrite USB. Is that the same as what you're trying to use with the USB2.0-MIDI?
You could find someone to do it for a fee on Fiverr.com
Soundcloud has a mastering service which is pretty good. It costs about $4.99 a track.
Ozone 8 from Izotope has an automatic mastering assistant. It is rent to own on Splice.com
USB RAM sticks and flash drives are the same thing. Also, pretty much all macbook airs have an SSD, so I don't think that would make it insecure in any way. The way I understand it is: You're distributing the bandwidth demand by using 2 drives (one as "ram" loaded with your samples) and also benefit from using different ports (i.e. pcie/sata and the USB bus) to avoid a bottle neck to the processor.
However, when you said... > late 2010 Macbook Air 1.7 GHz Intel Core i5
Did you mean 2011? Because I don't believe there was a 2010 macbook air with an i5. Either way like /u/Kosmic_Koala mentioned earlier, >Yosemite's Kernel tasks (the backbone of the OS that runs things below the GUI) takes up more ram than previous OS's like Mountain Lion.
You could backup your macbook air to an external hard drive using Super Duper and then try installing Yosemite if you really want to try it. This will make it a lot easier to downgrade if you don't like it.
A clean OS install is a good idea in any event but honestly, I would hold off on the upgrade for now. Stick with 10.8.
Laptop or desktop i5? The mobile versions of these chips are surprisingly weak (like, half as powerful) if you look at benchmarks http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
Wish I'd known this before getting my laptop....
Yep, I didn't realize this fact until after I'd purchased my laptop. I got a laptop because I though "hey, I may want to DJ one day!" even though I'm mostly a bedroom producer. Now I regret that decision. I didn't realize until later that mobile vs. desktop processor are like apples to oranges. Seriously, check out the benchmarks: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
I've got the Core i5 2520M - compare that to the Core i5 2500K - the desktop version is almost double the performance.
ok cool, avoid Handbrake and H264 in Live 9. It works beautifully in Live 10 but for 9 download MPEG Streamclip (http://www.squared5.com) and transcode into PhotoJPEG. Playback should be crazy smooth and very low CPU.
i mean....check this out... autechre remix of nightmares on wax...it doesn't really go anywhere at all, but it's deadly! i listened again to your tune... it's pretty creative and original...i don't know what's wrong with these people...
remember:
When people undermine your dreams, predict your doom, criticize you, remember they're telling you their story, not yours. - Cynthia Coccelli
I have Live 9 Suite on my Surface Pro 2 and I think it's an amazing combination. I use it both with an RME Babyface, or stand alone with adios4all.
While Lives interface isn't 100% touch friendly, increasing the scaling to > 120% and using the pen can get you pretty far.
To go full touch, get Emulator Pro software and make your own midi interfaces to control Ableton and your VSTs.
https://smithsonmartin.com/products/emulator-pro/
And definitely check out Staffpad notation software for Surface:
Last night I wrote a couple of string quartet parts with the pen in Staffpad, exported the midi files into Live, popped on Lives string instruments, loaded up a few instances of Diva for synth pads and leads, dragged in a few beats, and had a highly organic track going in a matter of minutes. It's an excellent combination.
Hey just FYI, this forum is great for ableton-specific questions, but for questions like this, try /r/edmproduction or even /r/samplehunters. Also, if you don't already subscribe to those, and are using ableton, you probably should, even if edm isn't your style.
TO answer your question, my go-to for sample searching is http://www.freesound.org/ because the samples there are all creative commons licensed.
> Is Live 11 Really Acceptable as a Full Version Update?
Yes, it is.
If you had asked "is it AMAAAAZING MINDBLOWING REVOLUTIONARY GAME CHANGIN OH MAH GAWD?", then you could have a discussion, but "acceptable"?
It is acceptable.
Suite got loads of stuff, like always.
The other tiers got stuff that was Suite-only, besides the new features like MPE.
https://www.ableton.com/en/live/compare-editions/
Spitfire, spectral FX, better reverb, etc. all for $183 (Suite 10 to 11 in my case), is pretty good value.
Even if one accept the (absurd IMO) argument that Spitfire is only worth $29, that's still $90 of value just with the 3 Spitfire libs.
BTW, seems you didn't notice this update was cheaper than previous updates (even cheaper if you consider 8 and earlier).
Yeah, the update was sooner, but it costs less too.
If you get the full version of Ableton Live 9 you get all sorts of stock stuff. Max for Live instruments, more instruments and effects.
Check out the features here: https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/
Buy Standard. It's way more cheap and it's very functionable. It's just "Standard". I bought it with educational discount for 209 euros. https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/ Decide if you really need Suite version
True, and they also slam tons of bug fixes and new features into their interim free updates. Lastly, I'd note that MAX comes with Suite, which is jaw-dropping if you're interested in circuit bending, building any conceivable sound or device, or just losing days of sleep.
https://www.ableton.com/en/live/max-for-live/
Oh, two more things - don't feel obligated to buy the Push bundle - it's roughly the same price to buy it post-fact. Finally, if the 800 dollar price seems too high, check out the 500 dollar academic version of Suite 9, which has absolutely no restrictions.
eq 8 does not appear to be in Intro on this comparison chart:
https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/
though I may of over looked it.
There are some free nifty eq plug-ins here:
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/free-vst-plugins/
And upgrading would be best your best bet as previously stated. Definitely worth it.
I opened Massive and made a couple of them, without filtering, to keep things open. There are 14 samples, no process but feel free to grab it and to do so to fit your tracks.
There is software that lets you turn almost anything into a midi signal. I once had the pedals of a racing wheel game controller as an ableton controller. It used this when I remember correctly: http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm and something like this: http://www.otk.it/mjoy/. But I'm not a 100% sure, it's been over a year ago and I didn't use it more than once or twice. If you Google something like "joystick to midi controller" you'll find plenty. Then just set it up like any other midi controller in Ableton.
>I believe it was Midi In and Out, though I'm not positive.
Double check. IIRC, these are not program specific, but universal to your computer. The ins/outs should be named the exact same thing in both reason and ableton (though the controller name itself may change). Since it works with reason, this could clue you in to which ones to pick in ableton (perhaps there's even an option besides "axiom 25 classic which will have your appropriate ins.)
>I've had it on presets 18-20 mostly because that's what the tutorial said to use.
true, but he was also using the axiom 61. I would try to unplug it / reset it and plug it in. Use whatever preset it has by default (or just go back to 1 in case it saves your last chosen preset as default)
If all else fails, you can always try midi yoke. Monome community uses it to hook their gear up to max/ableton. It might be a workaround for your keyboard (should be pretty straightforwar, hopefully. specific yoke steps are a bit out of my knowledge base). You can find midi yoke / midi ox here: http://www.midiox.com/index.htm?http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm
Ableton Live appears to be compiled using VC++ 2008 (it comes with vc_redist). According to this article, 64-bit should give it a speed bump. Perhaps their particular implementation doesn't optimize with the additional 64-bit feature set properly (of course, AVX and SSE4* instruction sets would do more overall).
Tom says the link will be posted at 6pm AEST on facebook. The timer link on the page
Ahh, I hear you. But still, the Intel celerons and (shudder) atoms in those computers are gonna be a nightmare for anything even a little complex. Maybe a used Windows tablet would serve you better if you don't mind using a touchscreen or carrying around a portable keyboard/touchpad or mouse. I've personally used this tablet in particular for running ableton, and it was plenty fast for what you're describing:
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-XE700T1A-A06US-Slate-Tablet-Professional/dp/B006F1VLZG
UK version is here, nice find, I currently use adam hall isolation pads but this looks like a nice adjustable option. https://www.amazon.co.uk/AmazonBasics-Ventilated-Adjustable-Laptop-Stand/dp/B00WRDS8H0/
thats because its sold out atm, keeps going in and out of stock https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WRDS8H0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 here it is though ill update my video info with it as well.
Yes, you will need an interface if you want to go directly into the computer, plugging your guitar into the hybrid XLR/TRS input. It will sound okay, I would not recommend it for guitar driven music, but it's doable for, say, electronic music with guitar being used as some texture. You're not gonna get amazing tone unless you get a better amp and equipment and a room to record in.
Around $100 the Bose Soundlink is one of the best. I've tried a bunch of different portable (battery operated, bluetooth) speakers. None of them are accurate for mixing but fine for just making music. I haven't heard the IK iLoud (I think thats what you meant)
The bigger soundlink is better but more expensive. You can hear them at Best Buy.
Both of these have 1/8" input I believe.
That's the pedal used for the rhythm, it's just a delay set to specific settings for the track. It sounds like scraped up the guitar string for the original sound, ran it through the delay, and a phaser. Then there's the 4/4 knocking underneath it You could get a similar effect by making a little beat with a strange percussion, running it through a delay with a very long feedback, and then phasing that.
yes, If you dont have an interface with an instrument port than you can buy this device for pretty cheap if you shop around. I got mine for $20 and it works great, sometimes there is a little bit of a delay though.
Would this work? http://www.amazon.com/Korg-nanoKONTROL2-Slim-Line-Control-Surface/dp/B004M8UZS8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1446154064&sr=8-1&keywords=korg+control So I could use anything with a fader as a modwheel?
The 2i2 is $189 on amazon.ca, but the UR22 is $159... http://www.amazon.ca/Steinberg-UR22-2-Channel-Audio-Interface/dp/B00B1FFPYO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1442259257&sr=8-1&keywords=ur22
The only thing that appears to be better about the 2i2 is the fact that it has volume level indicators (sort of)...
This worked well for me -- store extra music/samples on that drive, and then save it to a project folder on my local SSD if I'm working with something for a project.
I got this suggestion from some music sub or another and I highly recommend it. Its the guy from sound on sound who does the mix rescue section. Really explains everything to do with mixing in a non condescending and concise manner.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mixing-Secrets-Small-Studio-Senior/dp/0240815807