What blows me away on this is how much our world is going to change. I bought a cheap ($100) Chinese "mid" tablet (miniature internet device)
Besides the normal web browsing and stuff, I've found one use for it that I know is going to become the defacto standard for everything in the future.
A control surface...
http://thesundancekid.net/blog/fingerplay-midi/ and http://hexler.net/software/touchosc
What is being used for just music right now, will evolve as these cheap tablet devices become more prominent. Life will imitate art as we see EVERYTHING with some sort of touch control on it.
Refrigerator with Star Trek TNG style LCARS interface? Shut up and take my damn money already!
my sole reason for wanting an ipad is to use touch osc to control ableton live. The ipad is actually an incredible value compared to other similar touch screen interfaces, such as jazz mutants lemur in that respect.
I use my iphone as a midi device to wirelessly control my digital audio workstation, I can do programmable sets of knobs, faders, mixers, drum pads, etc. Example.
I'm sure there's a billion other uses as a convenient, portable, programmable input surface alone that I haven't thought of.
I don't use ableton but if it just requires midi, you can create your own layouts with faders, knobs, encoders, pads, and the works with TouchOSC. I've used it, and loved it.
I wish. Shame they're no longer in production.
I have an iPad running TouchOSC which is an okay substitute.
I don't know why Jazzmutant doesn't port their software over to iOS. I feel it'd certainly be profitable. (The Lemur interface certainly looks a lot slicker and shinier than TouchOSC)
You might need too download the remote app for Windows from their website. TouchOSC Bridge. Edit: http://hexler.net/mint/pepper/orderedlist/downloads/download.php?file=http%3A//hexler.net/pub/touchosc/touchosc-bridge-1.3.1-win32.zip
you may want to look into touchOSC http://hexler.net/software/touchosc
they make an app for both android and ios. i only use this OSC controls , but it can be used for midi as well. That being said i would much prefer something tactile to use as an instrument. I would look for a used midi keyboard (with pads better) on craigslist. If thats not an option even using the virtual midi keyboard would be more fun than using a smartphone.
TouchOSC with LiveControl. Is amazing and costs only $5
I've heard a lot of people taking about Lemur as being the best of the best. But that weighs in at around $50
Hm I haven't been able to find anything that's a complete replacement for desktop software (I mix with Traktor mostly, sometimes Ableton). My current setup is MacBook Pro and a Hercules RMX as the main controller for EQ stuff, and I use TouchOSC on the iPad for controlling loops and effects. It just acts as an interface to Traktor though, not a standalone piece. Let me know if you find anything suitable, I would love to leave the laptop at home.
TouchOsc with LiveControl will work. You can create your own custom control with the TouchOsc Editor. Yes it is awesome! Took me a while to configure - once sorted it runs v.smoothly.
You can find used Korg NanoPads (and NanoPad 2's) left and right on Craigslist/Ebay, because (imho) the pads are right next to worthless (on the original-- I never personally owned the "2"). I personally love the sensitivity and efficient use of space of the NanoPad's XY, so I ended up cutting the pads off with a dremel and it's a great little device now.
Also, Amazon has quite a few $50 9" tablets that are on the crappy end as far as tablets go but are GREAT as controllers w/ TouchOSC.
...I suppose it bears mentioning, if you're planning on performing live rather than doing studio work, a crappy tablet is ill advised.
I don't know if there is a windows version of this or not, that you would be able to run in parralel with Ableton, but I was able to control Ableton on my windows laptop connected to an iPad with TouchOSC?
Fully customisable touch screen control for ableton. http://hexler.net/software/touchosc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULC7uUjtTkY&feature=youtu.be
This guy is doing something with touchscreens and pro tools? http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?s=d2d040ae1b1eb4d381d6b0b2f1988ad6&t=348886&page=3
On the iPhone it looks very much like sliders built in either Liine or TouchOSC, but the iPad app I'm not too sure about. It looks very similar in layout and functionality to the Geo Synthesizer, but it also doesn't look quite right (too colorful and the "pads" have a slightly different shape). I believe it actually might be a Lemur/TouchOSC template controlling a vst or another app on the iPad, and if I had to guess I'd say TouchOSC just because of the color scheme.
In any case, you can do exactly what he's doing in this video with either Liine or TouchOSC. Pick the one you like and jump in.
The main (modern) applications that use L2 now a days are far more 'consumer' devices. For example I just bought a Logitech Smart Control an advanced universal remote control for TV/Home Theater. It operates over Wi-Fi and has a smartphone app. The smartphone app only works on Layer 2 while connected to the same Wi-Fi network.
I'm also considering purchasing an iOS app called TouchOSC. This is an app that sends OSC (Open Sound Control data over Wi-Fi. OSC is essentially the 'replacement' for MIDI if you know what MIDI is - it's essentially a control protocol for musical instruments. This software only works over layer 2 and requires the same network. As I'm sure you can imagine having a wireless instrument means you want low latency anyway.
So those are two very new/modern examples of products in made in the last 1-2 years that require Layer 2 connectivity.
If you have a tablet or smartphone you can use TouchOSC to create your own custom controllers. It works great for knobs, sliders, and XY pads but not so great for playing notes. Depending on what you do, it can be a complement or a replacement of your typical midi controller.
There's this, this, and this. iPad's already killed the lemur, I don't see this going too far.
I have been trying to teach myself how to do this right now as well. I personally use Traktor and im loving it simplicity. I do have a MIDI keyboard which makes creating background beats and chords much easier. If you are looking for just simply crossing two songs together and crunching/remixing them, Traktor or Virtual DJ are my preferences. (I haven't used FL studio but im definitely going to check it out.) Traktor has all the features of frequency kills, effects, multiple decks, faders, etc.
If you don't want to get a MIDI controller and you have an iPhone, consider getting an app called Touch OSC. It allows you to customize your iPhone as a MIDI controller for whatever program you are using that has MIDI support. It synchs over you WiFi network and is super responsive. I love it. Its a super cheap version of the Jazz Mutant Lemur.
Also, if you want to create your own beats, I would suggest Ableton. Its very structured, very flexible and really caters to making some great beats.
You probably want full-weighted. That'll be better than semi-weighted for you.
You know about touch osc? That might help. I use that for violin input (the vibrato). You should be able to use it for volume and other stuff, too.
So it looks like my skill level is not gonna be adequate to make a lot of progress.
I was using a template from TouchOSC here And managed to get it to do what I wanted with pd-extended, but as I mentioned pd-extended doesn't work with rPi
I'm at a loss as to how the new commands would be used in connection with an an OSC app.
I'm not a dev/programmer at all, just a open up and mess around till it works person
It should, I think. I'm a little hesitant to spend the time learning how to implement one in java, just when there's so much more support for implementing NN's in Python with stuff like TensorFlow.
Another option would be to tie the inputs and outputs on the NN to UDP ports, then use udpsend/udprecieve in Max to interface with the NN, so you're basically treating it like a TouchOSC device. The big benefit to this method is language flexibility. I think both Lua and Python can broadcast on UDP ports, so I could potentially get delightful gibberish (almost) straight out of that tutorial and into Max.
I actually hadn't thought about using UDP ports for the interfacing before, so thanks for spurring that little idea. Anyway, if anything cool comes out of this, I'll be sure to post it on the reddit and/or send it your way.
LK is also supposed to be amazing.
https://www.imaginando.pt/products/lk
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/02/control-ableton-live-now-android-livkontrol-android-ios/
Unfortunately I installed it and then didn't start it for a while, so I couldn't use my trial period.
Then there is also TouchOSC which is comparable to Lemur, but it seems to be a bit of hassle to setup.
Cool, seems like there's a TouchOSC bridge that'll send the appropriate messages. If you have any smartphone and $5 it should be easy enough to test.
Thank you for doing this...just upgraded to LR 6 because of this (and the GPU acceleration).
You could use the F1 Track Deck mapping by switching modes with SHIFT+BROWSE on the F1.
Otherwise, look into TouchOSC - which lets you run a virtual MIDI controller on the iPad and then Traktor sees it as a generic controller.
http://hexler.net/software/touchosc
This will absolutely work alongside your S4 and F1 - it's something I've done myself, but didn't like the feel of the touchscreen to do more than have a play with it. It's pretty novel to be mixing from the middle of the room a long way away from your Traktor setup :)
TouchOSC is an 'open source controller'/program that basically allows you to draw up your own midi digital control surfaces. You can use it with any program that accepts midi input, so you're not just limited to using it with Traktor. However, it does come with a built-in template for use with Traktor. It's pretty cheap, very flexible, and really will open up your experience using these digital djing programs, because, you're right, it's hard to do a whole lot just pointing and clicking around a screen.
While it takes a while to set up properly, TouchOSC is pretty interesting. It comes with an editor to make whatever interface you want, using different kinds of controls.
You might be like these projects: http://charlie-roberts.com/Control/?p=246 http://hexler.net/software/touchosc They both create OSC messages, which can map to any software that uses MIDI. Control uses javascript for customizing the interface.
Is there a certain area you are interested in?
Logic 9 has native OSC built in to support this little app: TouchOSC
IMO its extremely good as a remote on my iPod touch , I'm considering buying an iPad to use it as a mixer in Logic. Native logic templates are built in so less than two minutes to setup and it allows transport controls, eq'ing, access to plugin parameters etc. This Youtube video might give you a better idea.
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Use TouchOSC Bridge with an AdHoc network. You'll have to map your custom layout to midi notes/codes though.
I've found this to be the easiest and most latent way.
there are a few programs for controlling Ableton Live and Logic such as TouchOSC, AC-97 Core, and Griid Pro
The only thing making me want to get an iTouch or iPad is that TouchOSC only supports custom templates on iOS devices. The problem seems to be fragmentation on Android, too many different screens to support. If the software were open-source it would be done by now, but there's just a donation button and promise that maybe custom templates will be available on Android sometime.