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while I agree that Arch is a great distro for programming, it is a terrible suggestion for someone not somewhat familiar with linux already. Not because its very hard to use, but because of how time consuming the initial setup and learning process is. If you have a day job you want to get up and running as quickly as possible and native arch is not great for that.
I would however recommend a rolling release distro so that the path to getting arch at some point is more streamlined.
Something like Endeavour OS would work well since you can benefit from arch documentation without having to set up everything yourself
EndeavourOS is really cool! They also give you a heap of options when you install it to have different DEs and they even have a pretty polished i3-gaps config that you can install with it
If I ever feel like trying a different DE they're a good distro to go to to start fresh
>My nephew just broke his laptop after a power outtage during a windows update. I managed to convince them to switch to linux esp because power outtages are common in our area and we have a slow internet connection.
How would that change the situation under Linux? An aborted update process under Linux can also lead to an unusable system.
>Windows forcing updates are also annoying and he wanted something that he could update at night when he's asleep.
The forced updates were basically introduced because simply too few users install updates regularly. But apart from that, it is possible to configure when updates are installed under Windows (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/get-updates-when-you-re-away-from-your-pc-with-active-hours-in-windows-09b5376c-7647-4361-1423-c29aa692a8c4).
>I would prefer arch based though as i have zero experiences with something like ubuntu.
https://endeavouros.com or https://garudalinux.org
But have you already made sure that he can do everything he wants under Linux? With a 14-year-old, I can imagine that he for example plays games that might not run under Linux (e.g. because of the cheat and copy protection).
>What is the best Arch based distro when I don't want to take a hassle of installing the vanilla version?
Since April this year, an installer has been part of the official iso file. With it, you only have to answer a few questions (https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall).
Alternatively, you can check out https://endeavouros.com. This is basically Arch Linux with a graphical installer.
I would advise against Manjaro because the team responsible for it has already made too many avoidable mistakes.
I have fallen in love with EndeavourOS. It’s an everything works distributed built on Arch. And it’s pretty awesome, proton, steam and Wine just work out of the box and you can roll your own Virtual Machine system using base libraries or just install Virtual Box. I have pushed and pulled the system, added and removed packages, and have had a very stable and reliable system, with only one minor glitch on some big updates that were causing me some minor issues, but got patched in the next 4 hour window, and next update fixed it all up. Very happy, large community and full Arch and AUR repo compatibility included. Maybe check it out? EndeavourOS
I'm using EndeavourOS https://endeavouros.com/ It's Arch Based, but with a nice installer and a couple of little perks, but is mostly straight arch. I like it, my wife likes it, my kids like it. Might be worth looking into to see if it suits your needs or not.
Manjaro has a problem, in my view. The team that develops the distribution. There were just too many avoidable mistakes for my taste, such as:
- When they forgot to renew the SSL certificate of the website, they recommended as a temporary solution that the users should reset the date of their computers so that the certificate is "valid" again.
- Due to a faulty (or non-existent) backup, many (all?) images in the forum were lost.
- A member of the team made the statement in the official announcement area that it is basically the user's fault if an update causes problems.
If I had to choose between Manjaro and Fedora, I would use Fedora. Alternatively to Manjaro, if you don't want to use vanilla Arch for whatever reason, you can also look at EndeavourOS.
EndeavourOS is another good option to consider. The installer works well and is easy, and you end up with something very close to a vanilla arch installation, far more so than Manjaro. Of course, that means there's more upkeep too. Check out the Endeavour forum before you decide. It's a really supportive environment, friendlier than Manjaro's, IMO. Endeavour and Manjaro are both great though. I run both on various machines, and I just started with linux (with Ubuntu, obvs) back in early May.
Well, there are a few ways to not have to deal with this kind of nonsense:
- Switch to GNU/Linux, many recommend Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, Pop _OS, but I say go to an Arch-based distro, just for the simple fact that AUR exists and makes your transition from Windows to GNU/Linux much simpler, EndeavourOS is my recommendation.
- Switch to Windows 10 AME, it has some caveats that probably only advanced users and people with privacy in mind will want, like no Windows Defender and Windows Updates installed, but it is by far the cleanest possible installation of Windows available in development at the moment.
- The most normal solution is to use Sophia Script for Windows, which now in 2021 is the only decent and updated script for debloat and to configure privacy and telemetry settings, recommended only for new windows installations, the worst thing someone can do is to use this scripts on a 5 year old Windows 10 installation.
you could try https://endeavouros.com/ as nice arch type distro which is pretty much pure arch with some extras like 'welcome gui. you could use debian testing which is a rolling release. I have used that for years as a development machine - very stable even though it says 'testing.
>what do you think of manjaro
I don't think much of the developers because they have made too many avoidable mistakes in the past.
- They forgot to renew the SSL certificate of the website twice. The last time it was suggested as a temporary solution that the users should reset the date of their computers so that the certificate is "valid" again.
- Many (all?) pictures in the forum were lost because there was no backup or it was faulty.
- A team member made the statement in the announcement section of the official forum that basically the users are to blame if there are problems with updates.
I would look at EndeavourOS instead of Manjaro if I were you. This is basically Arch Linux with a graphical installer.
XFCE isn't even mentioned on their wiki. I agree they should have polished this up more before release.
EndeavourOS has a community version with Sway
Garuda Linux has a Sway and a Wayfire
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edit: and Fedora has a i3 spin. No Sway spin currently, but considering that they just added an i3 spin, and they have already moved to wayland by default for their flagship gnome desktop, its probably only a matter of time before Fedora Sway is a thing.
>I'd use Manjaro but given that it has made some shady decisions in the past, and also the fact that I found it to be even more unstable and prone to breaking than Arch, it's out of the question as well.
Take a look at EndeavourOS. It's Arch with a graphical installer, so to speak.
Try EndeavourOS. It's Arch based, and fully customizable. When you install it, you can choose the option for Online Installer. It will ask you what kind of DE (Desktop Environment) you want. I really like it, and the community is great. Take a look at https://endeavouros.com/
Hibernation is shaky at best in Linux. You're better off changing your workflow than trying to use it. Modern systems consume very little power in suspend, so consider just suspending, or if you want to power off, turn off the system.
This page is pretty decent on setting up hibernation, but if you use UEFI, Pop!_OS uses systemd-boot, and since these instructions are for GRUB, you'll have to figure it out from there. https://endeavouros.com/docs/installation/encrypted-installation-for-notebook-laptop/
This is why I suggest to people if you want closer to an Arch install without needing to RTFM and using CLI and are able to install while online to use https://endeavouros.com/ instead.
There is maybe ~5 custom packages that EndeavourOS uses. Those packages are not from the main Arch repos nor require you to "hold back your updates" unlike Manjaro does quite often.
Manjaro - in my opnion - is the new "Ubuntu" with the same headaches that Canonical brought along (ie custom theming gnome apps and breaking stock app UI amongs many other issues)
Apparently this will be the flavour that Luke from LTT will be using in his Linux DD challenge with Linus.
Linus will be using Pop!OS, but I think Luke probably has a long term advantage given that EndevourOS is Arch based and so is the Steam Deck.
So if you want to make your next dip into Linux a social media event, you could pick one of those two and take the journey together.
Any time! I'm extremely happy with mine, the only thing these machines could use that they don't already have is a 16:10 display option -- aside from that there isn't much to improve here IMO. The build quality is good, they're extremely portable for the performance, touchpad and keyboard are as good as any PC laptop I've used, Linux support is solid; they're just all around great Linux laptops.
If you want an easy entry into the Arch ecosystem check out EndeavourOS; if you're used to other easy install linux distros that's a great first step into the Arch ecosystem. There should be a link to the asus-linux discord on the website too, if you need help setting the machine up the community is friendly and active.
If you like something Arch based, but feel overwhelmed by the initial configuration I would recommended EndeavourOS. I have been using it for some time and even though it is a rolling distro I have never had anything break.
>Been using Manjaro as a new user for a little while but i was wondering, is it good for newbies
I don't think Manjaro is a good distribution in general, because I don't trust the team responsible for it (https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/ow9q7i/should_i_commit_and_switch_to_arch_linux/h7entcd/). Therefore, if you don't want to use Arch Linux directly, I would recommend https://endeavouros.com.
>... but most things are Debian based or more people are mainstream with Ubuntu.
Is that really the case? The Arch Linux wiki, for example, is also used by users of other distributions.
And if you always use what the masses use, you just could use Windows. ;-)
>As a beginner and very noob to Linux what should I do and I mainly will be gaming and maybe some product work.
If you have the time, I would simply check out a few distributions (e.g. OpenSuse, Mageia, Mint and Ubuntu) and then choose the one that suits you best or stick with Manjaro. There is no such thing as the only right distribution. And apart from a few details such as package management, almost all distributions work in the same way.
The safest method to start with is certainly a virtual environment like Virtualbox.
But I don't think installing Arch is very difficult. Many of the commands mentioned in the official installation instructions (only these should be used, as unofficial videos, for example, are often outdated) can be executed without any changes. Moreover, since April this year an installer is part of the Arch Linux iso file (https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall). With this you only have to answer a few questions.
Alternatively, you can also have a look at https://endeavouros.com. This is basically Arch Linux with a graphical installer.
This is a hint that there are better choices than Manjaro for an Arch based distro. I have never had any problems with this tool, leave it to Manjaro to mess up the simple stuff. I ran Manjaro for several months before I switched to Arch, at that point all of the little annoying problems went away. Here are three easy ways to get a system that is much closer to Arch, frankly they are just installers while Manjaro makes a lot of changes to the system and holds back packages. I found nothing but benefits when I switched to pure Arch.
I strongly recommend EndeavourOS. The "online" installation method is super easy and you can pick your desktop environment. It has a user friendly welcome app that lets you change to local mirrors and install a few common programs. It does a great job of installing a vanilla arch without any bloat.
I felt the same way before I jumped across to Arch. I started with Acrolinux it has a few extra goodies that help out, like a gui to install different Desktop Enviroments (DE). I also recommend Endeavour OS (EOS) it's a very minimal install, just select your DE and off you go. If you want extra programs acrolinux is very easy to install and there's heaps of vids on their site. Arcolinux is more user friendly EOS is a bit more traditional with installing arch.
Make a VM and see which you like best.
maybe EndeavourOS? online install gives you the option to install with plasma without all the configuring.. and you could install pamac from the AUR, if you wish to keep using that
I've personally landed with endeavourOS at least for now on that front. It's apparently about as close to stock arch with a graphical installer and some basic programs out of the box. I haven't used Manjaro personally but anecdotally endeavour has been more stable. And it has been far more stable than Ubuntu has ever been for me.
If you want 'Arch' without the the Manjaro baggage, go for https://endeavouros.com/
Its much closer to Arch than Manjaro and has an installed just like Manjaro. Unlike Manjaro it doesn't delay packages, or have a history of bad decisions / scandals.
What is doesn't have is pamac (the gui software installer) - but it can be added with a single command :
yay -S pamac-all
Its been absolutely solid for me - and the xfce version looks really nice without the distractions of KDE Plasma.
To add to this, EndeavourOS is a great alternative for a near-to-Arch experience. I know lots of people have also been talking up Garuda as of late for a more out of the box type experience (albeit a bit of a tailored one)
Just disto-hop, nothing wrong doing so. But yes do figure out these minor problems that you are having. Mostly do it another way or figure out how to get what you want.
>flatpak version still needs to be run through terminal every time
Look into .desktop shortcuts. This will solve that problem.
I never like the distro stores ever. I use Synaptic Package Manager instead. Synaptic is a frontend of APT and it never fail me once and has better options and more features to boot as well.
Try out https://endeavouros.com/ and enjoy Arch.
Manjaro is all fine - but if your goal is to learn Arch I'd recommend EndeavourOS instead - if you think jumping straight to Arch might be difficult (which it's really not) Manjaro doesn't roll at the same speed as Arch - but EndeavourOS does.
I'm using a 10-year-old laptop running EndeavourOS at the moment, and I'm not experiencing any slowness problems as far as I know. You shouldn't either probably because Vivaldi is built on top of Chromium.
>Well ARCO look better as it comes with preinstalled window managers
Why should this be different with EndeavourOS?
> The offline option installs a fully themed Xfce and the online option provides you with the choice of seven Desktop Environments Xfce, Mate, LXQt, LXDE, Cinnamon, Plasma, Gnome, Budgie, window manager Openbox and tiling window managers i3-WM, BSPWM, Sway and Qtile. > > Source: https://endeavouros.com/latest-release/
In the case of Xfce, the window manager would be Xfwm.
> but both the options will be secure and private right and would not contain any telemetry or data collection?
The question cannot be answered so sweepingly.
For example, there should be packages in the official package sources of every distribution that have some form of telemetry. Some with opt in, some with opt out. But I don't think telemetry is bad, because it can help the developers to improve the software.
And regarding security, the user also plays a very big role. The distribution can be as good as it is, but if the user unnecessarily uses root privileges and doesn't install updates, and doesn't think before he acts, then it doesn't matter.
I can't say anything about Arco Linux due to lack of experience with it. But EndeavourOS has been around for a few years now without anything negative being reported (unlike Manjaro for example). And it should have more users than Arco, which can have its advantage.
I'm also using Manjaro, but I've heard good things about EndeavourOS, an Arch-derivative that seems to address some of the popular issues with Manjaro and has a friendly community. It might be worth a look if you end up exploding Manjaro.
Drivers for wifi, Bluetooth, sound etc. are built into the kernel and should work out of the box. If something doesn't work try looking around for third party drivers
Yes Linux is generally more lightweight than Windows meaning you will experience better performance
Depends on the programs you use (WINE and Valve's Proton for Steam games are things that will help you) there's also alot of alternatives to Windows only programs too
The one you make the best tbh most people suggest Ubuntu or Mint for beginners (not a big fan of both) but trying out different distros and comparing them is a good way to find out what suites you the best. I'm can personally recommend EndeavourOS as a good distro for beginners that have some understanding of computers (it was my first distro). It's basically vanilla Arch but with a nice GUI installer and some neat things added from the EndeavourOS repos.
What kind of software do you want to use on Linux? If it's simple stuff like browsing the web and editing documents and spreadsheets, maybe try Linux Mint if you like how it looks or KDE Neon if you want something that's easier to customize. They are stable releases so you shouldn't need to worry about an update breaking it. If you want to game or need to use some obscure software in Linux, maybe try something based on Arch like Endeavour OS , since it should be a little easier to get the software that you need.
why do you think we tend to recommend mainstream distros. Mainstream distros leads to mainstream problems.
Endeavour have a lot of problems,
> We provide you with the opportunity to discover the flexible possibilities an Arch-based distro can give you,
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> That together with our wiki, a well-organized knowledge base
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> Please don’t hesitate to ask for help on our forum, Telegram or Reddit subpage.
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Arch is an all or nothing distro and philosophy. These words are red flags right up the endeavor OS page. Vanilla arch should not have these problems.
Most of the Arch installers, even those known as separate distros, largely strive to give you a vanilla Arch experience aside from the installation process. The one notable exception is Manjaro, which has their own repositories and makes quite a few configuration changes to the vanilla Arch experience. All of them are good in my experience, but I would not recommend Manjaro as it is the only Arch based distro that ever gave me any problems that weren't just caused by my own mistakes. The one thing that will be true for any Arch based distro is that you will be much better off learning to use pacman from the command line for installing software and updating the system, and a good AUR helper such as paru for access to the AUR. The GUI alternatives will work most of the time, but pacman will not fail. Get used to reading the terminal output when you are updating as there can be instructions that will need to be addressed, and it is a good idea to look at the Arch front page every time before updating as if there are any known issues with a component of the update they will have instructions on how to proceed. This does not happen very often, but ignoring the issues may lead to malfunctioning apps or even a system that will not boot. It is also worth noting that learning how to generate and configure mirrorlists is a good thing to know. Learn how to use reflector. Also it is worth getting comfortable editing config files with a text editor such as nano. Read the pacman entry on the Arch wiki as system maintenance on Arch is not automatic and you will have tasks that will need to be performed occasionally such as cleaning the pacman cache.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman
For most people who are looking for their first Arch experience, I would suspect that Endeavour may be the best alternative.
There is only one Arch Linux. And some distributions based on Arch Linux. For example EndeavourOS.
If you are using a distribution based on Arch Linux, please avoid stating that you are using Arch Linux when asking for support, but state the distribution based on Arch. This is because some distributions based on Arch Linux do some things differently than Arch Linux.
Remember that there are other distributions that repackage Arch in an easier to use form. Garuda Linux and EndeavourOS are two that I've heard of. (I currently use EndeavourOS) Here's a list of some Arch-based distros.
I used Manjaro for over a year, including when the certificate thing happened. Manjaro was fine. The problems I saw were communication based. Manjaro became the "Arch Made Easy" distro and was heavily promoted by 3rd parties on youtube and reddit. People were recommending it to first time linux users, which went about the way you'd expect if you've spent much time on the internet.
In short, Manjaro is fine. If all you want is Arch in an easy to install package, Manjaro is probably not the best choice. But it's not a bad choice. Heck, these days Arch Linux has a text installer. And all of the Arch based share at least a bit. I have *-garuda packages on my EndeavourOS install. Pamac is available. It's mostly a matter of how close you want to be to upstream Arch and what default color scheme you like.
If you want the "cool," interesting distro, you could also consider NixOS, Fedora Silverblue, Gentoo (there's at least one
Don’t know if this is allowed here, but take a look at EndeavourOS. It’s an (IMO) great fork of Arch that does all the things you might not want to do manually, and then lets you do whatever you want on top of that; basically just great defaults for Arch. If you decide to try it, feel free to hop by r/EndeavourOS too! Good luck with whichever Arch approach you choose!
Try using endeavour os. It is an arch based distro. But it can be installed very easily because of the installer that it ships. Also you can choose different things like desktop environments all from the gui. It gives you a near pure arch like experience and then you can install anything you like.
Hey, thx!
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There is a typo sha512sum -c Endeavouros_Atlantis-21_4.iso.sha512sum instead of sha512sum -c EndeavourOS_Atlantis-21_4.iso.sha512sum on https://endeavouros.com/latest-release/
and all subsequent mentions as well
Debian with KDE if 1-2 major version older packages doesn't bother you and you want absolute stability. Download from here
EndeavourOS with KDE if you want latest packages and easy maintainability.Download from here
siduction Linux with KDE if you want something Debian based, rolling and with latest packages. Download from here
Debian with KDE if you're okay with one or two major version older packages(but with increased stability), download from here.
Endeavour OS or openSUSE Tumbleweed if you want latest software, download Endeavour OS from here and download openSUSE Tumbleweed from here
>Just a quick simple install for arch.
That already exists, only the other projects are developed by actual developers and not sysadmins playing developer while doing nothing but cobbling a bunch of scripts together.
The list goes on
But sure, let's have a hack YouTuber who isn't a developer create a shitty script and promote that, instead of these actual quality projects/distros.
>Basically what people want from a distro without having to use an inferior version of Linux.
Oof.
Did you see which GPU was being used? If it was using NVIDIA or switching automatically, Bumblebee was probably not necessary.
Either way, the new EndeavourOS ISO seems to be on the horizon
https://endeavouros.com/news/our-iso-refresh-is-coming-soon/
Maybe its improvements can solve it? Will probably try to troubleshoot more after some sleep.
Your computer should be able to run most distros but if you do want to go something more light weight and your comfortable using the terminal a little mabye Endevour os with kde. Otherwise I would say zorin or kubuntu.
> If you're looking for the easy way, then Something like Calamares
But one should be aware that installations using unofficial installers do not get support from the Arch community. In my opinion, it would make more sense to use an Arch-based distribution like EndeavourOS in such a case and to use their forums etc. in case of problems.
I installed arch the arch way once ever since then I just use https://endeavouros.com/ it's a vanilla arch distro. Meaning there's no extra packages like Arco. It's also got a live environment so I keep it around if I need to run a timeshift restore.
I installed arch hard way once in a VM. Every other time I've used https://endeavouros.com/ its a vanilla arch distro but it's a live USB so you can run timeshift if need be. I've never got it working with Ventoy tho.
Check out EndeavorOS: https://endeavouros.com/
It's an easy to install Arch system with very little tampering from distro maintainers. It has some pre-installed software, but I would estimate it comes with no more than what comes with Ubuntu. And best of all, it's not Manjaro!
It’s close, it has customization for the xfce desktop and has some default things installed from their repo like a helper utility and yay out of the box. It’s a spiritual successor to Antergos.
Definitely check out their website!
Downloads are a little hard to find you have to scroll to the bottom of this page
Rolling release distribution is just a distribution that gives you updates as they come out, instead of making releases like Ubuntu 20.04. If you would like to try one, you should try endeavourOS or Manjaro (both are based on arch Linux).
However, they are “less” stable, and you might sometimes need to do some tinkering (but there is incredible resource that will help you with everything, arch wiki). Here you have link for endeavourOS if you ever want to try it (I’m using it on my laptop and loving it).
> I'm not sure what is wrong with Manjaro, I've heard some bad things about it before.
For me, the problem is more the team behind Manjaro than the distribution itself.
I would therefore recommend https://endeavouros.com rather than Manjaro if someone does not want to use vanilla Arch.
Arch is not perfect by any means, but amongst things that it does well I for sure love the packages.
If you want "get out of my hair" Manjaro alternative, I can safely recommend EndeavorOS. It's what I switched to when quitting Manjaro. And honestly? You can see it as just preconfigured Arch that comes with a GUI installer.
Haha I loved the "chonky" description, it's pretty accurate.
You might try removing some packages you don't think you need, but in my experience this is usually risky due to all the dependencies interconnection. Your best bet is to research each package and its dependencies before removing it. Yep, it's not ideal, but that is that.
If you want a lighter arch based distro, but don't feel like going through the whole install and setup process of arch, I recommend you try EndeavourOS, I've heard many people preach over it.
> Are you aware that they have an entire community backing them and they also have a website mentioning every team member?
No, I'm not. Is this a different website than https://endeavouros.com/about-us/ which lists four people overall? When I look at https://github.com/endeavouros-team/PKGBUILDS/commits/master and https://github.com/endeavouros-team/install-scripts/commits/master I see two people making regular commits: manuel-192 and killajoe.
I don't think suggesting obscure hobby projects of two people is the way to go for Linux newcomers who want to learn about SteamOS.
I installed it the old way in a VM as a learning exercise. I stumbled a bit with the drivers and display managers but got there in the end, overall a good learning experience. I just use Endeavour OS now, it's a good recovery live USB and it's a minimal arch install.
Go to your TTY by pressing ctrl+alt+f2 try reinstalling the nvidia 470 drivers with the nvidia pkg then restart.
Honestly, you'd be better off installing an arch distro that doesn't mess with packages like manjaro. Try https://endeavouros.com/
Give EndeavourOS a look. It is Arch-based, with a graphical installer. You can pick what you want to install, including what DE(s) you want to use.
The alleged instability of Arch is overblown, IMO.
In the case of Manjaro, there are, in my view, several reasons that speak against its use (https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/ocbsdq/what_is_the_best_linux_distro_between_manjaro_and/h3u4vfk/).
Distributions like https://endeavouros.com make a better impression on me.
If you want to use i3 and don't want Gnome or everything that comes with a desktop environment, why not start with Debian or Ubuntu Server and install the i3 WM and Xorg yourself? That way you are starting with something closer to a blank slate and don't have to stress over what to keep and what to remove.
Or use a distro that ships with i3 as a default option, like Fedora or Endeavour
Additionally, as others have mentioned you don't actually have to uninstall anything, just install i3 in addition to gnome. There will probably not be much practical benefit to removing all the gnome bits and pieces.
>opensuse and fedora do not comes only with base packages
dont really know about fedora but opensuse tw comes with a lot of packages as a default. You can choose a bare minimum installation in the configuration menu too.
> I am looking specifically for Arch Linux clones
endeavourOS is basically arch with a gui installer. If you can configure arch by yourself, go install arch. If not, use endeavourOS.
The latest release that comes with XFCE.
https://endeavouros.com/latest-release/
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Then you can install pamac (package manager) and akm (kernel manager) to make it more user friendly.
Welcome to the Community!
To check nvidia driver is installed, alternative ways:
pacman -Qs nvidia
yay -Qs nvidia
To see which driver is actually in use:
lsmod | grep nvidia
The Offical Wiki May Help : https://endeavouros.com/docs/hardware-and-network/graphic-cards-gpu-driver-and-setup/nvidia/nvidia-optional-enhancements-and-troubleshooting/
As well as this forum post : https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/how-to-enable-nvidia-driver/12336/13
Sorry I don't really know much about nVida but maybe these will help? Some more experienced people will hop along in a bit!
Most "beginner-friendly" Linux distros have a very short learning curve before they become more of a hindrance than a help. The only one I know of that is approachable for a complete beginner AND useful long-term is EndeavourOS. It's got one of the nicest Calamares installers, it supports KDE Plasma, it configures NVidia Optimus out of the box (this is fairly hard to do on your own), and because it's Arch-based, you get the AUR and Yay, which is like the easiest package manager in the universe right now.
I do think that WSL2 might be the best way to learn Linux basics if you're currently a Windows user, though.
Arch ez-mode:
>We provide you with the opportunity to discover the flexible
possibilities an Arch-based distro can give you, with a user-friendly
installer that gives you the option to install the system offline, which
provides you with a minimal but attractive looking Xfce desktop
environment and an online install option with nine different flavours in
a basic and customizable look to choose from.
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>https://endeavouros.com/
If you want to go with Arch you might want to smooth over the install process and get used to using Arch for a week or two and then you can go for a vanilla Arch but try it in virtualbox first. MY first time I used over 4 hours and still I srcrewed up .- forgot one simple pkg. NOwadays I install Arch in 10-15 miutes with my bspwm set up the way I want it.
EndeavourOS is a great Arch based distro - they stay very close to vanilla Arch and besides an installer, you get a terminal and a browser. the rest is up to you. They have a community dedicated to helping newcomers understand Arch So I recommend you check out EndeavourOS before going with vanilla Arch. Use it for a week or two and get familiar with Pacman and how things work in Arch - then you can give Arch a try. I've used vaniila Arch for over 9 years now and have tried some distros over the years but Endeavouros was the only one I liked becuse it's so close to vaniila Arch.
Just a friendly advice - no need to rush into things. granted Arch is not hard to install but you got to follow instructions and keep focus or you will screw up the install. Remeber an Arch install is all terminal commands so endeavor is the perfect training ground and they have a superb process community for helping you on your way and give you a better understanding on how things work. If you ever heard of Antergos Linux -it was also a very popular Archbased distro. EndeavourOS is what camequit from the ashes when Antergos decided to qut - the best Endeavour has done IMHO is stay so close to vanilla Arch - the main difference will be the install process but it also makes the switch from EndeavourOs to Arhc much simpler cuase as soon as you've instlled vannilla Arch you know exaclty whatto do thanks to your time on EndeavoursOS . just my 2 vents
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Endeavouros is a different league then manjaro offcourse. As also a dual gpu setting can be tricky on somepoint.
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There is also many options to choose this time around. in the past need bumblebeed but now there is more since kernel supports switching a bit but there are many options around also.
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Optimus Manager you have to take it from the aur, only thing is you have to keep an eye on python versions, because optimus manager needs then to rebuild. like rebuild-detector from te aur can help.
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system76-power is the switcher from system76 also things as nvidia-prime. Myself dont have a switching gpu but is not like manjaro but there is a wiki page for that also .
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For newer system i would look to the optimus manager.
I have been on Linux Mint for about 4 yrs now just distro hopped to Linux Mint Debian now I think ill try out that https://endeavouros.com/ been wanting to try out arch for a long time but its a bit daunting lol thanks for the heads up on that distro!
The other user mentioned flashing the via 15 BIOS for extra features, but I do not think this will solve the issue, so I would keep this in mind as a very last resort. Make sure to keep 'OS Support' set to 'Legacy OS' (this tends to be simpler than uefi) and secure boot disabled of course.
In the Manjaro Live USB, (if possible) open a terminal and run 'lsblk'. This will list all drives detected by the computer, so you will be able to make sure that the NVME drive is visible and connected (but not mounted as Manjaro is having trouble with this). You can also look at the Manjaro user guide pdf to see if there's anything relevant for you.
However, as I am an individual biased against Manjaro and have had luck with Anarchy Installer on this laptop, I would recommend trying this out if you're unable to find a solution on Manjaro. In the installation, you can just choose 'Anarchy-Desktop' then the KDE DE to get basically what you would from Manjaro. The installation is extremely simple, and you won't have any trouble with partitioning if you let Anarchy decide everything (this will wipe the entire drive). If you're not a fan of the TUI environment of Anarchy or want to keep the Windows partition, you can also try out EndeavourOS; this contains a live environment strikingly similar to Manjaro's, and I've also used it a couple of times on a desktop with luck.
>due to outdated packages causing trouble in the past.
17 years using Linux, been behind every since. Debian Stable or relevant Linux distro's. Been fast and stable all these years, with zero problems. Rolling release can break things much easier. New equipment like 1 year or newer, then a rolling release is almost a must. Because the Stable version hasn't even test it or add it in their repositories when they are spanking new.
If you want a rolling release like Arch and kinda lives and acts like Arch. The I would suggest Endeavour.
you can try something like EndeavourOS, which is basically just pure Arch installed easily. What the main take away from the url I meant to convey was that (if these models are the same/similar enough) your problems aren't mentioned at all by the user in that recent posting. Wifi appears to be intel (should be well supported on linux), no mentions of overheating (maybe the laptop is just prone to that, or you haven't installed TLP), or maybe you're using an outdated kernel which Arch users generally won't be using.
- EndeavourOS is based on Arch Linux
- I use the
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Note: I had to re-upload my submission since I broke Rule#4 in the original one. My apologies.
- EndeavourOS is based on Arch Linux
- I use the
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./o. nodxine@aincrad
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:osssssss+- OS: EndeavourOS Linux x86_64
:+sssssssssso/. Host: X510UNR 1.0
-/ossssssssssssso/. Kernel: 5.9.3-zen1-1-zen
-/+sssssssssssssssso+:Uptime: 3 hours, 55 mins
-:/+sssssssssssssssssso+/. Packages: 1293 (pacman), 10 (snap)
.://osssssssssssssssssssso++- Shell: fish 3.1.2
.://+ssssssssssssssssssssssso++: Resolution: 1920x1080, 1920x1080
.:///ossssssssssssssssssssssssso++: DE: Plasma 5.20.2
:////ssssssssssssssssssssssssssso+++. WM: KWin
-////+ssssssssssssssssssssssssssso++++- WM Theme: Breeze
..-+oosssssssssssssssssssssssso+++++/Theme: Breeze [Plasma], Breeze [GTK2/3]
./++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/:. Icons: Papirus-Dark [Plasma], Papirus-D
:::::::::::::::::::::::::------`` Terminal: konsole
Terminal Font: Fira Code Medium 12
CPU: Intel i7-8550U (8) @ 4.000GHz
GPU: Intel UHD Graphics 620
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce MX150
Memory: 3735MiB / 15892MiB
For another pic (I just could upload one here), you can go to this post at my subreddit
If you want Arch without the hassle look into Endeavour OS.
It's essentially Arch plus 6 or 7 tools (yay preinstalled as well as an update-notifier for Arch news etc.) and gives you a graphical installer where you can choose your drivers, a DE, full disk encryption and so on.
EndeavourOS is a good choice. Based on Arch with minimal extra packages, access to AUR, friendly community, rolling release, easy installation. Seem to be a lot of ex-Manjaro users now using it.
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I think the choice is spend a day trying to figure out how to not lose data - or do a fresh install & spend a day configuring.
I recently installed a btrfs encrypted endeavor os on a single partition. The Calamares installer automatically creates subvols for @ & @ home. polkit needed a little configuration for libvirt. I also created @ var-cache-pacman-pkg on separate spinning rust.
I just made squashfs images of /etc /root /home/.* (as my data is stored in natively encrypted zfs datasets mounted in $HOME) - & mount -o loop the images to copy settings back.
You might like EndeavorOS. It's essentially an Arch installer with some extra helpful tools that comes with XFCE for offline install and let's you pick what DE you want to use for the online install. Their forums are exceedingly friendly for new users.
>Antergos community moved on to form EndavourOS.
Thanks for making me aware of this.
>Manjaro is seriously over-hyped - the amount of problems they have really does not paint them as a serious choice (after SSL fiasco, there was another SSL fiasco, then questionable management of community funds leading to people leaving the project, then forum failure due to lack of backups…
The SSL thing and the FreeOffice fuckery put me right off them.
> Haven't needed it for a long time so haven't looked. Was nice while it lasted though.
Antergos community moved on to form EndavourOS.
Manjaro is seriously over-hyped - the amount of problems they have really does not paint them as a serious choice (after SSL fiasco, there was another SSL fiasco, then questionable management of community funds leading to people leaving the project, then forum failure due to lack of backups…).
I think Endeavor OS might fit you. Its actually arch but with a stupidly easy installer and minimal bloatware. You choose which DE you want from the installer itself. All of the packages and repos are from the official arch repo(unlike manjaro which have a bit more older packages then arch). I haven't tried it myself but it seems to have a positive review.
Eh, if you ignore the toxic community Arch really is a pretty nice distro. You don't have to use a super minimal install with a tiling windows manager or anything. I mostly use it because I like the package manager and the whole bleeding edge rolling-release thing. But you can just install KDE (or GNOME) and move on as you would with any distro.
Installation isn't that hard as people say it is either, it's literally just copy-pasting some commands from a wiki page (or you can use an install script or something like EndeavousOS which even has a full GUI installer)
Ne parlavo qualche giorno fa con u/IronMew ma potrebbe interessare anche ad altri. Ho scoperto l'esistenza della distro Linux Endeavour OS e l'ho testata nelle ultime ore, attualmente non credo ci sia nulla di più vicino a Arch nudo e crudo. La considero l'erede spirituale della fu Antergos però con l'installer Calamares che ti evita la tediosa (ma soddisfacente) installazione testuale di Arch.
I think moving depends on your look on the issue at hand. For me, I no longer recommend Manjaro because of the shady look inside that we have. I agree that all companies (not just open source, but especially them) should stay transparent if they want my money or my time (or recommendation). If they want that, they will rectify the issue.
As for development, it depends on what happens inside. Who leaves, who stays, etc. For me, I dont see this killing Manjaro, in the slightest bit (although theres always the possibility). I would wait and flesh it out, and if you feel the need to move to another distro, go for it.
If you want something that is as pure arch as you can get without going pure arch, check out EndeavourOS. Its Arch with a GUI installer (basically sums it up) and is absolutely fantastic.
I use refi even if I am not on a mac as I like the nice gui way it looks.. maybe try that?
https://endeavouros.com/docs/installation/how-to-install-refind/
For a more Arch like experience, one could use EndeavourOS, it comes with a graphical installer and only very few additional packages. Beside that it uses the Arch repositories.
I'd recommend EndeavourOS over Manjaro any time and every time.
EndeavorOS would be as close to Arch as you could get with a GUI based installer.
For example on my system;
$ paclist endeavouros
endeavouros-keyring 1-4
endeavouros-mirrorlist 2-1
endeavouros-theming 5-1
eos-log-tool 1.3-1
eos-update-notifier 1.7-1
grub-tools 1.2-1
grub2-theme-endeavouros 20190711-4
mkinitcpio-openswap 0.1.0-3
nvidia-installer-db 2.2-1
nvidia-installer-dkms 3-2
reflector-simple 1.4-1
welcome 2.8-1
yay 10.0.1-1
Those are the only "custom" packages that EndeavourOS adds on top of Arch. I wouldn't even dare to guess at how many Manjaro adds/uses.
Oh cool, I didn't know there was a version of Manjaro that used Arch's repositories instead of their own! I'm also quite a fan of EndeavourOS (basically the continuation of Antergos). Super easy to set up and will give you pretty much as close as it gets to a regular Arch install.
No, its because Manjaro uses ~70% custom packages and when upstream (Arch) updates it borks Manjaro. Countless times I've seen advisories from Manjaro stating not to update XX package, or to set your clock to XX time...
Personally I use EndeavourOS as it only uses ~5 custom packages which can be removed at any time and it won't bork up your system.
It's a bit of a hassle, but I do think it's a good way to learn more about how your system works. Besides, there are installer scripts like archfi and EndeavourOS (which uses Arch's repositories, unlike Manjaro). But it's really not even that hard, you just have to copy a couple of commands from the wiki. And if you've done it once, you can do it pretty quickly.
Also, it gives you more choices during setup. For example, you can easily choose to use something like btrfs instead of ext4, which would be a bit more of a hassle on distro's with a proper installer. Or you can use the rEFInd bootloader instead of GRUB, which is much easier to do during setup than afterwards (literally just installing the package and running refind-install, if you do it afterwards you would also have to uninstall grub)
.deb packages :)
As an Arch user myself I'm biased here but you could try something like EndeavourOS it's basically "Arch" but with an installer or go with Manjaro if you don't mind getting the packages a few weeks later.
Manjaro would be the most distant option in that case.
Closer things are
- Anarchy Linux <- Pure Arch, with an CLI installer (customizations are optional)
- EndeavourOS <- Sits on top of Arch, with customizations
- ArcoLinux <- Sits on top of Arch, with customizations
All of them sit in top of Arch. They are not Arch, but only extend it in some way.
Manjaro on the other hand copies the whole sources, change them and make them incompatible to pure Arch. It also have a completely different approach. Arch is "Simple, by let you choose what your distro is". Manjaro is "Simple, by dont let the user choose but tries to please everyone".
If you want Arch, Manjaro is the complete opposite of what you look for.
Not saying this is a good idea (I agree that Pop OS would probably be the best choice), but if you really care about privacy perhaps EndeavourOS would be worth a try. It's based on Arch and actually uses the Arch repositories (unlike Manjaro), but has an actual installer. It automatically installs a DE for you. And orca is not preinstalled, but if you can get someone to help you, it's just one command away.
I installed it in the early days using their offline installer that I removed Xfce and installed Plasma. I followed all the tips in their installation page. I think right now the online Installer is working fine, just follow their recommendations.
If you're one of those who like to configure (rice ) your system I'd choose EndeavourOS as they don't even theme it too much. They have pkg's in their repo but stay closer to vanilla Arch than even Antergos did.
If you are on of those who just use defaults ArchLabs might be the thing as they have some really beautiful defaults
I would agree. Endeavor is very close to an Arch install without a ton of configurations to deal with afterwards. Just a couple of in-house packages to help newer users which can be safely and easily removed. I've been using it since the initial release and feel that the developers have done an amazing job of providing a usable Arch system without inflicting their own preferences on anyone. Also, the community is extremely friendly and helpful.
EndeavourOS-check it out. The home page explains the philosophy behind the distro.
The truth is somewhere between the two. Installing Arch was never "meant to be" an educational experience, or an essential quirk of the distro, but installing Arch is now synonymous with its manual installation. Its users have adapted to it, and those who want that kind of control gravitate to Arch. The culture of the community has been shaped by the lack of an installer.
Demand has been further reduced over time, since users who want to make fewer decisions during installation will find a community script or use EndevourOS.