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I'm not familiar with the show, but the premise of the idea is not dissimilar to Freenet, a P2P network in which nodes donate an amount of storage and bandwidth the network which is used to store and transmit the files there.
FreeNet is already taken and might get confusing if you used the same name. A name something along those lines though promoting freedom of censorship, governments and commercial control would be good though.
Just remember, there are other projects like this, for example I2P and Freenet. Don't get stuck on TOR- it's nice but it has its own weaknesses, and when/if it is compromised, we'll need working alternatives.
There is already something by the name of opennet. They do studies of restrictive/censored ISPs; so, related but only in philosophy. There is a company called Open Mesh as well, using that name might have some negative consequences. There is a Google site called OpenMeshNet that requires translation from Russian so maybe not that name either. Freenet is already taken as well, it's a distributed p2p protocol. FreeMesh is software for flight sims.
This sucks, you'd think it would be easier.
This seems to re-invent Freenet (https://freenetproject.org/) which has existed for 16 years and consists of over 250000 lines of code already.
It would be nice if people could instead work together with the Freenet team to improve it. We will never geht a truly anonymous Internet if people try to re-write stuff from scratch over and over again.
There's a really cool system called Freenet that's designed precisely to deal with these sorts of things. The problem is that it hasn't yet reached the point where the technical hurdles are low enough that your fairly average computer user can get it running and find what they want.
BTW, the Freenet project is a 501c3.
> No researcher in computer science knows how to route data without knowing the whole network structure.
Not true. The Freenet network has been doing local-information-only routing for years. The source of the request doesn't know where the data is stored, the holder of the data doesn't know who requested it, and the intermediates don't know either of those. Yet it routes requests to the data and the data back to the requester.
It scales worse than mechanisms where the whole topology is globally visible, but it does work. (Scaling is roughly log^(2)(n), vs. log(n) for globally-visible topology, but the constant terms are tractable.) Lightning Network is also more likely to have a scale-free topology the Freenet, so using that sort of routing would likely do a bit better on LN than Freenet. (The log^(2)(n) assumes uniform distribution; scale-free should improve on it somewhat, though I don't remember by how much off hand. I don't think you get all the way to log(n).)
The original paper from 2000: "Freenet: A Distributed Anonymous Information Storage and Retrieval System".
This all sounds very similar to the Freenet project, which was one of my first "decentralized distributed everything" loves. I recall thinking back when I first heard about Bitcoin that it'd be fantastic if it could be bolted on to Freenet to give actual incentive to store and forward data chunks.
Starting afresh is probably better than bolting things together at this point, especially bolting to the creaky old Bitcoin blockchain, so I'm really looking forward to this.
The "true" dark web is hosted by the FreeNet Project. (https://freenetproject.org/)
You access it by downloading a client and designating a few GB of your hard drive to hosting a portion of it. It is a distributed series of storage that hosts all the sites. So it isn't on a server per se.
It works because the portion you are hosting is heavily encrypted and useless without the rest of the peer nodes. You don't actually know what you are storing on your computer. And neither does anyone else looking at the encrypted blob. And it's redundant so a certain number of nodes can come and go without compromising the integrity of the data.
The biggest downside is that it is extremely slow. Pages can take hours to fully load. Because it is fetching bits from other people's computers that may or may not be online.
There is all kinds of content on there. Some is easily found. Others is extremely well hidden. (Even by dark web standards)
Definitely seconding a Tor Relay or Freenet Node.
Everyone with any bandwidth to spare should be running such projects, really, It would be a great help!
Both networks benefit from a greater number of contributing users and you'll be free of any legal concerns since all data transmitted through the services is fully encrypted - and neither service should be aware of the data it is carrying.
Be aware though that, with Freenet, it is a distributed storage network, rather than a distributed routing network like Tor. This means it will want to use a portion of your HDD to store data. The more you can give it, the better. (I gave mine 100GB, but 20GB or 50GB would also be very helpful). The data is all stored as a big encrypted blob that you cannot read, and the node isn't fully aware of what it is storing.
As some others have mentioned, a Tor Exit is different to a Tor Relay. If people wish to contribute resources to the network by running exits, that would be fantastic - but I would not recommend running an exit from a home connection in any scenario.
As noted on the Tor Project relay guide, the following line in the torrc config file will ensure that you are not accidentally running an exit node:
Exitpolicy reject :
This line means that it will not allow any traffic to 'exit' to the regular internet from your node, and you will just be helping the network by relaying already encrypted traffic.
Oh, and it might not be feasible for you, but running the services 24/7 will ensure you are contributing as much as possible to the community.
Whenever I see anyone wanting to use blockchain to host content, I want to point out we already have Freenet, BitTorrent, and Tor that solve those problems better than blockchain.
Combining all this tech, like the article suggests, is very promising. Imagine a torrent that you have to pay sats to download and the torrent hosts get a cut out if it.
The future of lightning will be integration. It's a much better path than trying to make it into Ethereum
https://freenetproject.org/ https://www.torproject.org/download/
Here are the download links of TOR and freenet services
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cult_of_the_Dead_Cow_software
Here is the wikipedia page of some CDC software try it out if any of them work
Increasing latency defeats the central goal of Tor to be a low latency anonymity network.
If you want more anonymity, and are willing to deal with significantly increased latency, check out Freenet and Mixmaster.
I am guessing you ran it for 5 mins and then tried to do a tailored search on general criteria. For one thing Yacy does not work that way and just like seeding a torrent you need to keep your node running for a significant amount of time before you can hope to get access to the 'good' stuff. Also if you are keen to help out the network you need to set you node up to scrape content and share it with your peers.
I don't have a Yacy node running atm because the server I was running on had to be moved, but I was running it for about 6 months and found the results to be quite illuminating. That is, you would search for something that was perhaps viewed as risque or inflammatory material and you would find a good number of hits in the top 50, where as, using precisely the same term on google, Bing, yahoo or even duckduckgo didn't show those sites in the top 500, if at all. So those sites were effectively invisible. Just demonstrated to me how manipulated we have all become by search engines and kinda makes me yearn a little to go back to the good old days of FTP list sites and peer to peer knowledge. In short we all have become so used to using google we have all become extremely lazy and think whatever is in the first page of hits must be what we are looking for or it doesn't exist.
I have often thought a subversive tactic that should be used by the darker net would be to make sure their sites are the worst performing site when it comes to searching for their content. That way search engines rank them extremely low and to most people they are just plain invisible. Effectively become a SEP for Google etc.
So yes.. just like FreeNet you need to set aside bandwidth, storage and CPU if you want to get the best out of it. And while you are doing that you are also helping the network become just that little bit more resilient.
Sounds like Freenet.
Except I don't think people can view your browsing history on FreeNet. Of course it does this by having you store/send content from different sites.
It was super slow when I tried it 12(?) years ago, don't know how well it works now.
There are two solutions I can think of to do this, although they both will run through the internet. If you want to get away from the internet completely you will need to setup your own mesh network. Here are the options I have:
- Freenet - https://freenetproject.org
- RetroShare - http://retroshare.sourceforge.net
>This agreement is governed by the laws of France.
Hop, perdu. Avec la LCEN et la LPM, ils sont légalement contraint de conserver les traces d’utilisations de leur système, afin de les fournir sur demande à la justice.
De facto, ce n’est PAS un outil adapté aux besoins de l’anonymat.
Pour envoyer des courriels réellement anonymes, on préféreras des systèmes comme MixMaster ou Freemail par Freenet
Something like I2P supposedly can handle anonymous P2P, from what I've read you could even torrent on that network. Haven't used it myself so can't say much on how well it works in practice.
You technically can also send/receive/host content anonymously via Freenet, but the network is way too slow for real P2P usage. Or at least it was when I last used it a few years ago.
a freenet reddit would be cool, but there's no way you'd get enough people to join it. You'd have a couple of privacy ethusiasts, a couple of people caring about censorship and buttloads of extremists from any side, I guess.
And you'd need special software to access it (at least in a way where your point of access can't control what you see) so no browsing on phones or computers that are not yours
Not an expert but I have set up Freenet on my machine.
First SSH into your box (preferrably not as root) Then in your home directory "wget https://freenet.googlecode.com/files/new_installer_offline_1457.jar -O new_installer_offline.jar"
Then "java -jar new_installer_offline.jar"
Go into the subfolder that Freenet is in and "./run.sh"
Next, my personal method, download lynx via "sudo apt get install lynx" and run it with "lynx" (or choose a browser of choice) press g to go to a website.
Now go to 127.0.0.1:8888 for the wizard, it'll take you through the steps (choosing data store, upload and download bandwidth, etc.)
You can access the web interface later on and change whatever you like (via 127.0.0.1:8888)
More resources are here -> https://freenetproject.org/download.html
how about instead of pissing and moaning and trying to fight these guys (which we've all seen isn't a fair fight) we just get on to networks that are hard to snoop.
https://freenetproject.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Dark_%28P2P%29 http://www.tribler.org/trac
Fuck'em, they can have their "internet" which will become more and more like some sort of walled garden AOL. Soon you probably won't be able to put your own content up.
So lets take our toys and go home. We're going to put our communities on systems that are hard to get on. All those days you old bastards spend on the net reading content we provide will be done. Go back to your TV sets.
Freenet has been under continuous development since 2000
Developer(s) The Freenet Project[1] Initial release March, 2000 Stable release 0.7.5 Build #1404 (12 September 2011; 2 months ago[2][3]) [+/−] Preview release 0.7.5 Build #1404-pre1 (7 September 2011; 2 months ago[4]) [+/−] Written in Java Operating system Cross-platform Platform Java Available in English, French, German, Italian, Swedish, Dutch Type Anonymity, Peer-to-peer, Friend-to-friend License GNU General Public License Website https://freenetproject.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
Maybe Darknetplan is 11 years behind...If people are already working on a solution maybe joining their team makes more sense.
A platform that, I think, reaches toward leaving the cargo cult approach may be Freenet. If nothing else it demonstrates that at least some of the fundamental functionality of the web can operate without a server. However, in my experience Freenet, as it was when I tried it, is downright painful to use.
I’ve really liked Freenet: https://freenetproject.org
The concept of making the internet even more decentralized really appeals to me, as it makes it harder for a central authority to influence the content you receive.
Admittedly, Freenet currently feels a little like the internet of the 90’s with long load times and static pages. Also a lot of illegal stuff. But if more people used it, I hope it’d be faster with more content.
I believe this is part of the plan for MaidSafe.
Edit: There are also projects that predate Bitcoin which set out to decentralize the internet, but I don't know of any major adoption... such as https://freenetproject.org/
You can summon the very best geeks in two ways: a job offer where they will be coding lisp or threatening to censor the internet. Do not make the mistake to assume that you can treat these people the same way you can deal with regular nerds - they are the Turok-Han of nerddom.
And I would like to see them try to censor https://freenetproject.org - which is just such a project.
Freenet for example, allows for, among other things, anonymous and censorship resistant file-sharing.
And many BitTorrent clients allow you to use proxies (including anonymous ones) to connect to the Internet (Tor usually isn't recommended, mainly due to scalability issues I think, but it can be used). You gotta make sure you're using a client that will not leak personally identifiable information, like the IP address of your regular connection and stuff though; it won't be of much help to try to use an anonymous proxy if a program will still tell people who you are anyway.
Since I haven't read anything about it lately but feel that it should be relevant I'll throw in freenet into the discussion. It has been some time since I last looked into it but from what I remember freenet is designed to withstand a global passive adversary.
However, as u/badsuperblock mentioned, the limit is the access to the clearnet and its current structure. Freenet is shut off from the www and not designed to serve as a proxy. So either we start mirroring most of the www into such darknets as the freenet or we have to find a solution on the hardware infrastructure level (such as meshnets).
P.S.: While the design of freenet might be resistant to dragnet survaillance the software itself might not be. Especially since it is written in Java (thus depending on the security of JVM implementations) and I am not aware of any alternative clients I have serious doubts about the effective security of freenet.
In addition to I2P and TOR there's also Freenet.
None of the Darknet services are 100% secure. In TOR's case the NSA runs multiple nodes and has some limited success in tracking people. I'm unaware of this with I2P or Freenet, but it would be safe to assume that the same applies (but that can also be taken as a precautionary measure against FUD).
If you're planning on browsing clearnet sites after setting up TOR (or other darknet protocols), don't log into an account that you've previously logged into through a clear format. That is, if I login to Reddit through TOR I'm not going to login to /u/Shibboleeth because this IP and my location are most likely already known. I'd instead want to create a new account and only access that account when accessing Reddit through TOR. The same goes for other sites obviously.
You might be interested in Freenet, which does anonymous distributed communications, storage, and namespaces in the form of urls. Last time I looked, there were some major scalability problems.
Ah, yes - my approach is quite different, it isn't blockchain based. It's more of a distributed key-value database, cryptographically enforced, with observer semantics for realtime communication. It draws most on my previous project Freenet, which was the first distributed, decentralized, encrypted p2p network.
Hi guys, I want to highlight again the "The Philosophy behind Freenet" by Ian Clark.
"Democracy demands anonymity." I think this politic point of view very very interesting too. Anyone read and, please, can give me some comment about it?
I imagine you are looking for freenet mixed with proof of space protocols like burstcoin. Incentivising the long tail storage vs chain bloat is the hardest tradeoff.
One approach could be to add a "quality" incentive rewarding high quality, low transferred files. But designing a system that cannot be gamed (false positive quality reviews) is very difficult.
Freenet ( https://freenetproject.org )
This is the only fully actualized system for enabling non-curated content to be distributed at scale across many computer systems around the world automatically. While it does favor more popular content necessarily, it succeeds tremendously over ZeroNet in that users need not know about content in order to contribute to its preservation. It succeeds tremendously over IPFS in that files cannot be noticed and takedowned.
If you are interested in unsustainable projects or projects that probably work, but which rely on foreknowledge of content to contribute to its continued existence, look at ZeroNet, IPFS, BitTorrent, etc
First a suggestion:
Freenet is an extremely robust censorship-resistant network. It requires you to connect to peers that you trust, it's got all kinds of fancy features. It's been a while since I looked at it however, so I'm not sure how its content has evolved. Once you publish something it's potentially in there forever, so long as it remains popular enough to remain cached. Use with caution
A little review of some of the suggested sites:
0ch seems to have decent admins, but is going to have some of the usual issues that come with imageboards. Has a .onion address too, which is useful for posting spicy memes
Discord is centralized, and thus shit. Don't use it. Secret IRC channels is much better, and IRC is still going be around when Discord eventually turns belly-up
The Fempire is run by SRS, so obviously fine
Hubksi is pretty good, not sure how they'd take to a large influx of anarchists. They tell off the fash quite consistently though. A bit of a old farts vibe going on sometimes
Zeronet looks interesting, but I'm typically wary of stuff that rides the blockchain hype
I remember recently seeing a project where sites were hosted via actual torrents.... I cant remember the name of it, but it was essentially exactly what you are talking about.
edit: a quick search finds this
http://project-maelstrom.bittorrent.com/
there are also the possibility of blockchain hosted webapps. Im sure something probably exists for ethereum to host webapps, if not yet, it is certainly being developed.
edit again: freenet which offers the ability to host distributed sites, among many other features, but i figure it is worth posting here
> I usually use Tor to torrent
Don't torrent over Tor (assuming that's what you meant, you seem really confused by the dark web terms you're discussing).
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea
> from freenet sites such as kat
You seem confused. KAT definitely isn't on Freenet.. I'm not sure that there are any torrent indexers on Freenet. Search/ask in /r/Freenet, this outside the scope of /r/torrents.
This is a frustrating choice of a fancy wheel re-invention over existing, working technology:
Freenet has been in development for 16 years, and offers more of the features which OpenBazaar needs.
IPFS is barely 2 years old, and isn't even anonymous yet - which is a core feature of Freenet.
> You mean Tails in live mode
I wasn't aware it could be installed on a disk, but to be honest I don't know Tails that well.
> For Debian, I’d use this package[1] , right? It says that it’s in "early development stage" and that "the packages make no effort to preserve user data across different versions".
I installed Freenet by following these instructions (as explained here):
wget 'https://freenetproject.org/assets/jnlp/freenet_installer.jar' -O new_installer_offline.jar
java -jar new_installer_offline.jar
Here's what you do:
- Using linux / cygwin install youtube-dl or use firefox video downloadhelper.
- Grab the video.
- Install freenet. Don't mind the weird indie videos, russian documents, and child porn.
- Publish to freenet.
- Freenet is not good or fast or even usable. However, it's good for publishing stuff forever and keeping it uncensored. It should be used more often. There is no other trustable source for uncensored publishing short of running it yourself--getting a server slice at the seychelles server farm, respinning up a readonly web server stack plus fileshare site when it gets ddosed constantly by usgov.
- Alternatively you can run onion site / try doing a kind of load-balanced darknet site, youd also be pioneering
No that is not how Tor works, your Tor client gets a list of Tor nodes and their public encryption keys from directory servers and than builds encrypted circuit consisting of 3 nodes which is than used to connect to the website and in case of hidden services/hidden websites both client and hidden service build circuits that connect together.
https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
https://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en
What you are describing is more similar to Freenet.
We've moved the bar to below the introduction section and moved the "Share, Chat, Browse. Anonymously." tagline that was above the download button to the header of the first slider. Thoughts?
We haven't restored screenshots yet. Maybe they could go in the slider? The old site first designed in 2009 had screenshots and looked like this. I haven't thought of a reasonable place for them in the current layout apart from the slider.
> Pour la première fois, des journalistes ont été condamnés pour atteinte aux intérêts fondamentaux de la nation. Un arrêt dangereux.
D’où l’importance de protéger les lanceurs d’alerte, et de pouvoir publier anonymement.
Tiens, d’ailleurs, cf Freenet ( /r/Freenet )
Mes recettes (alcoolisées) sont sur Freenet 😉 : freenet:USK@ihRwa~nE5YkwXxy7Al-b9fkvcFLJobC9WvR7pOxDe-w,q0tB8JHbk5fXTQjRub5qwP-s11yyn77IVf7BzkqAN9Y,AQACAAE/recettes/1/
Référence nécessaire « Internet is for PORN!! ».
Remplacer « pornographiques » par « de propagandes politiques », « de fanatisme religieux », « de mp3 », « de photos de policiers qui harcèlent les jeunes dans les banlieues », « de lanceurs d’alertes », etc.
Et pourtant, les politiques continuent d’affirmer que c’est possible, et nous imposent des lois aussi inefficaces que liberticides.
Rappel en passant, pour se libérer de la censure :
Super messed up that they think that restricting freenet (the bunny icon) is appropriate.
Really actually pretty lightweight on resources and has actual academic value.
I think that something based on Freenet is the most likely way forward. Original Freenet whitepaper. The biggest problem when building decentralized systems like reddit is preventing spam, and I didn't see any proposed measures for that.
> You run the software in the background and it opens a local web server so you can visit websites from any browser
Not that that proxy-ish approach doesn't work for fairly technical users, but for mass adoption, I have a lot of doubt about setup and run time usability. Guess how you used freenet...
I also doubt that approach for mixed http+bittorrent in-browser e.g. the mundane but useful use case already mentioned, a http-served page loading some of its static resources via bittorrent. It just seems ...iffy... for a javascript-heavy webapp page, running inside my browser, and retrieved from say http://www.example.com/foo to be making xmlhttprequests to http://127.0.0.1:43188/blahblah/bar and assuming that is "really" a p2p network (whether freenet or zeronet or...) it wants, rather than other arbitrarily weird shit on my machine on 127.0.0.1:43188, instead of asking my browser for bittorrent://blahblah/bar directly (should also allow more nuanced intrabrowser security treatment)
Blockchain would be horribly inefficient for this actually, take a look into the https://freenetproject.org/ Its a distributed datashare over a encrypted network. Been around for 10 years and they have a bitcoin over freenet protocol.
It's kind of like the same thought as what freenet is using, just that you have to pay for it, and this company is pocketing 1% of the income from your thing.
Probably freenet would be a better solution.
>Those things are lost if they cannot be done anonymously.
That being said, a right to anonymous speech is protected, but to the best of my knowledge, that is only a limitation on use of government powers; it does not affect a private individual like Adrian Chen.
(I'm a layman; saw your post after it made /r/depthhub, and this may be much too simplistic, but I did think that it was worth pointing out that the value of anonymous speech is not ignored.)
> The right to browse reddit anonymously is my individual interest. The right to a free press is a public interest. The public one outweighs the individual one.
In theory, anonymity could be provided to some extent via technical means, like use of Freenet and educating users as to what actions leak information.
isnt that what they built the darknet for, was called freenet? (not irc)
https://freenetproject.org/index.html
idk if that's still active but it was it's own internet with distributed content. never really caught on...
It originally meant content that wasn't accessible directly from links. E.g. stuff you have to search for, things in databases, behind log-in pages, etc.
Now people use it to mean anything from dark and edgy websites, to content on encrypted networks like freenet.
A real decentralized net exists and it's called Freenet and has been around ages.
https://freenetproject.org/pages/help.html
Block chain is not a solution to a decentralized web. A "chain" of trust does not have value in a decentralized web. Everything in web 3.0 is snake oil.
Sidenote: I once was contacted by a lawyer and received some statistics of which the levine method claimed that they show a download. The numbers were even less (383 requests instead of 387) than what you would expect to see if someone was not the downloader. Documented here: https://freenetproject.org/statistical-results-without-false-positives-check-are-most-likely-wrong.html
In more positive news, I think I donated about 20 BTC to the Freenet Foundation. It doesn't seem to have grown much since those days though, and it's still far slower than TOR.
COMPANY: Freenet Project
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DESCRIPTION: We have over 20 years of experience in decentralized systems, cryptography, and peer-to-peer, but are fairly new to Rust. We're building a new distributed decentralized application layer for the Internet and are looking for an experienced Rust developer to help. We'll be working with libp2p and web assembly.
LOCATION: We are based in Austin Texas but are comfortable working with overseas developers provided that timezone won't be an issue.
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I've already linked Freenet and their subreddit within my original comment.
But, here's the links anyway: https://freenetproject.org/ r/freenet
This isn't about what is wanted. This is about the limitations of the Internet. The Internet is designed to be difficult to take down.
Additionally, because of the criminalization of political dissonance, some censorship-resistant services have been created, such as Freenet. However, it can harbor the dark side of humanity.
At the current pace I would say "never". Things have gotten progressively worse in the last 10 years and there isn't even much of a hint of things turning the other way. And it's not like this is a new problem, Freenet has been working on it for like 20 years, but still didn't make much of a dent in the public consciousness.
Even assuming that IPFS succeeded, that's really just the tip of the iceberg. You also have to replace search, recommendations, comments, moderation, bookmarking, spam filtering and all that, basically the whole web needs to be reinvented in a decentralized way, file hosting is really just the very first step.
For example if Youtube switched to IPFS, but still kicked everybody they didn't like from their platform nothing would be fixed. On the other side if subscriptions would be RSS feeds on IPFS instead of having subscriptions be part of Youtube things would be much improved, as Youtube would no longer be in control over what you watch. But that's not happening and not just because Youtube, but because browser developers have fundamentally failed to improve their browsers. Even something basic as RSS support was never properly integrated into any of the major browsers. Bookmarks haven't received any update in a good 25 years, that's crazy, no surprise that everybody is relying on the subscription mechanism build into those web services.
Brave and LBRY look to be on a good track, but it's really baby steps and far away from an actual solution.
Freenet is the closest thing to an censorship-free recreation of the Internet. It's not the fastest, but works quite well for smaller files. Files will automatically drop from the network over time when they aren't accessed, so it's not some magical permanent storage, but it has the benefit that you upload files into the network itself. Once you uploaded the file you no longer need to provide it like with a torrent, it's in there and will stay as long as it's popular.
Sorry you kind of lost me there, neither of those use torrenting to distribute data. Sort of sounds like you're using "torrenting" as a catch-all phrase for whatever you're trying to describe? Bittorrent itself is a very specific protocol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent
When you say freenet "is built upon" torrenting can you provide some info on that? I'm more familiar with how it works per their documentation but you seem to be describing something else
https://freenetproject.org/pages/documentation.html#content
Similar with Zeronet, Zeronet is using torrent trackers to find peers but that's pretty much the only torrenting it does. Torrents are not used to distribute data, sites within zeronet, etc. Check out /r/Zeronet e.g.
https://www.reddit.com/r/zeronet/comments/co5aoc/how_multiuser_zeronet_sites_work_continued/ewhwiop
All that aside you can indeed use torrents via i2p.
> I understand that the more nodes on the IPFS network, the better it can function.
That's already a wrong assumption. Each node puts a small burden on the entire network and makes everything a bit slower.
You can host a pinning service, where people can actively tell you to host their data. But there is no automatic way to share resources.
One of the darknets has a way to automatically replicate content from the network. I think it was freenet, maybe i2p, definitely not TOR.
> IE, the option to only see posts from those I trust/whitelist and those trusted/whitelisted by them.
The decentralized forum system FMS on Freenet works like that. I've considered cloning it on a bitcointalk.org, but I think that 99% of people just wouldn't "get it" (like the trust system), so I'm not sure that it'd be worthwhile. Also, if you're among the tiny minority of people willing to go to the hassle of being responsible for your own moderation, then you really should be using a decentralized forum rather than a centralized one.
I've used FreeNet It's mostly like the internet circa 2006 only you know more of the kind of vaugly paranoid person who would use something like that. Then if you go browesing the directories you start seeing the neonazis, and illeagle porn. But yeah mostly blogs from slightly strange people. Admitidly it was a while ago that I had it installed so things might have changed.
Yeah, when people figure out a way to do without governments, governments find a way to suppress them. There is some work on create a decentralized internet such as Freenet.
Well, as I said, that's a matter of opinion - what's "fucked up" to one person might not be to another. The difference with Freenet is that you store some of the content on your hard drive and share it with others: https://freenetproject.org/pages/about.html - it's an anonymous P2P network. If you plan on using it, I would read up on it a little first.
They were removed from reddit after years of lack of moderation. Why are neonazis so concerned with forcing others to host their bile? There are enough p2p networks where they can operate unrestricted. I've written code for one for over a decade as of last year.
Full disclosure, I literally just looked up YaCy (using DuckDuckGo), so please take my comment with a truckload of salt. After briefly reading about it, it kind of reminds me of a web search specialized Freenet. Freenet is kind of what it sounds like; it's a decentralized Web essentially, while it seems that YaCy is focused on "peer-to-peer" Web searching (might be the same thing as Freenet to be honest).
All I will say about it, since I've only tinkered with Freenet before, is that YaCy might be too inconvenient to use as a daily search engine. Also, other than being decentralized, I'm not sure how "private" YaCy can be deemed. Maybe since it's peer-to-peer it is inherently safe to use.
Again, I've never touched it, but I don't know if I'm too interested in knowing more. I can be lazy sometimes . . .
Yes I will. From https://freenetproject.org :
Isn't censorship sometimes necessary?
Of course no issue is black and white, and there are many who feel that censorship is a good thing in some circumstances. For example, in some European countries propagating information deemed to be racist is illegal. Governments seek to prevent people from advocating ideas which are deemed damaging to society. There are two answers to this however. The first is that you can't allow those in power to impose "good" censorship, without also enabling them to impose "bad" censorship. To impose any form of censorship a government must have the ability to monitor and thus restrict communication. There are already criticisms that the anti-racism censorship in many European countries is hampering legitimate historical analysis of events such as the second world war.
The second argument is that this "good" censorship is counter-productive even when it does not leak into other areas. For example, it is generally more effective when trying to persuade someone of something to present them with the arguments against it, and then answer those arguments. Unfortunately, preventing people from being aware of the often sophisticated arguments used by racists, makes them vulnerable to those arguments when they do eventually encounter them.
Of course the first argument is the stronger one, and would still hold-true even if you didn't accept the second. Basically, you either have censorship, or you don't. There is no middle-ground.
Freenet, it exists and it sort of works, but never really gained any real traction. There used to be projects attempting to host a Debian mirror on there, but those have all been long dead.
It's frustrating, as I think the ability to (anonymously/pseudonymously and uncensored) upload content is one of the most important aspects when it comes to Internet freedom and we have lost that. Not only is almost everything now hosted by a commercial party, those commercial parties will actively filter and censor the information, often automatically and preactive, not just in case of DMCA takedown requests. There is also a slow, but ongoing push, to require real names on many of those services.
There are similar projects around, most famously IPFS, but IPFS still requires you to host your own server to host your content, you can't 'upload into the cloud' and than switch your computer off like you could with Freenet.
Freenet is a pretty old p2p network that has a very unorthodox method to decentralize itself.
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Freenet not only encrypts data, doesn't require servers to host files and is very resilient, but also relies on the efficient structure of human social networks to operate. In secure mode, you need only connect to a few people you know using Freenet and as long as somebody in their network is connected to opennet you are connected to the whole thing.
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You can insert data, messages, whatever and go offline immediately after - it will still be available.
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Your second question about whether it's worth it is a bit trickier. I'd say as of now it is worth it if you like:
- Experimental network designs
- A lot of really interesting programming concepts
- Trolling strangers in anonymous forums.
I've seen people sharing movies and other stuff on Freenet, but I'm sure you know how to get all of that stuff in other places as well.
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I hope I've helped you out a little. For a full explainer, go here: https://freenetproject.org/pages/documentation.html#understand
Just came across this piece of software. It looks very interesting and might be a big piece in the puzzle to decentralise our internet back!
Now, on the topic of anonymity, I appreciate how TOR is supported. It's implementation is still something that can see room for improvement (like it would be nice for the software to feature a built-in daemon), but it's at least there.
Are there plans to support other networks too? I'm thinking especially about Freenet, which may be easy to implement (mind you, I'm not a dev, this might of course be very hard), as Freenet works with a daemon running locally which other software can use to traffic their data through. I know of some applications that worked in this manner.
Freenet provides very strong anonymity, especially in darknet mode, where you trust only known friends for the connections and unlike TOR or other anonymity protocols, also offers a decentralised web in that every node contributes some harddisk space to the network for data (redundancy), as opposed to the classic server-client model normally employed for hosting data.
- You can't know that its legal, and definitely some of it is not.
- See https://freenetproject.org/pages/help.html... specifically "Is Freenet Legal?" and further down the page: "Note that files are encrypted and split into pieces. They are not stored on your machine in their entirety. Your instance of Freenet will likely have very few encrypted pieces of a given file, if any. "
I'm with this guy, although it gets tough to talk about random stuff when it's not Linux centric...like what would talk about which touches on the current hot-topic AND is Linux related?
Alternatives to Facebook that need to be installed? Something like FreeNet maybe?
Actually Is there a place where people can just hang out? The main thread unifying us would be a love for Linux but more casual... /r/CasualLinux , /r/Cheersnix /r/netstat-tulpn?
Here is the post for archival purposes:
Author: jan_kasimi
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>In theory, for an organization that accepts donations in BTC, say for example the freenetproject , one could just send BCH to the same address and inform them, that they can claim the donation by importing their private key into a BCH wallet.
>Of course there is the risk that they don't and your donation will be wasted, that's why I am speaking hypothetically.
The big ones are Freenet (https://freenetproject.org/) and I2P (https://geti2p.net/en/). Both of those are closed hidden networks designed for anonymous publishing and communication. They will anonymize your traffic, but you can only access sites within the networks (with the exception of an I2P workaround). I2P is a program that runs on your computer (like the Tor service) and sends the traffic of supported applications through its network. This enables access to 'eepsites', the equivalent of hidden sites. Freenet is a P2P platform for communication and publishing that also runs as a program, rather than a browser bundle. It enables you to create and access 'freesites'.
That's the second stage I believe. First we must ensure the integrity of the data itself. Then I can see us all migrating to the Dark Net or jumping over to FreeNet to establish our own file-sharing network, possibly with a Whitelist and thorough vetting of applications.
This does not solve congestion. You will still need to download the initial content sometime. Additionally, this works only for static content like files. Dynamic content like web pages that rely on databases still needs a centralized server-client system.
The idea behind this is not new. Freenet is also a decentralized file store, but it does not claim to accelerate network access speeds.
Distributed file systems work by distributing the load and ensuring file persistence, but it does not male any claims with regards to bandwidth utilization reduction, which is what we need in the Philippines.
> I wouldn't use Freenet to view or publish anything I was really afraid of getting caught with by high-resourced adversaries.
Publishing should be fine as long as the content is not known in advance by adversaries. Even then you can publish the data using an SSK, which has a unique key not dependent on the content of the data, to make it safe. Then you can turn off your node and never go back on Freenet but the content is still available for others to retrieve.
Viewing content is fine if that content has not been public. ie. You've given the key to view the content privately to someone. If it's a known key then there are attacks that can be done by a well resourced attacker.
A police department in the US claims to be able to track downloaders of keys they know to be illegal. The Freenet developers have disputed their approach as being based on false statistics. This doesn't help of course if the Police are essentially doing random raids of Freenet users. Darknet mode (the friend to friend you mention) is a good option to avoid your IP being exposed. It's also possible, although slower, to run over Tor or I2P via onioncat.
The article says:
> The investigation began in 2015 when Pennsylvania prosecutors were monitoring the online network Freenet and executed a search warrant of the man's home.
Not knowing what Freenet is, I googled it and found their page which reads:
>Leap over censorship
>Escape total surveillance
Something doesn't seem right here.
> That's the opposite of correct view to take on technology and innovation in fintech?
Depending on exactly what you mean by that, I might agree, but you can't say "well there's nearly $6 Billion in Bitcoin, let's be reckless to keep up with some crazy altcoins". I am 100% in favor of people experimenting in altcoins, my point is only that Bitcoin needs to remain conservative. Bitcoin is not the place for that kind of experimentation IMHO.
> Most of these are run like corporations, which is faster and better than an ambiguous open source protocol, with no leaders.
Which is part of why so many of them fail miserably. That's how markets work though, I have no problem with this. My point is only that running Bitcoin itself like one of these 99.99% failure-rate altcoins, runs the risk of having Bitcoin similarly fail. It's also not as though Bitcoin couldn't adopt successful features from successful altcoins.
As a side note, you mentioned Storj and Maidsafe, I'd like to briefly "shill" Freenet which has for ~15 years provided anonymous and decentralized storage/publishing to its users. It isn't very pretty, and it isn't very fast, but it is battle hardened.
(Two different links above)
Note that even on it's website it says Freenet is still quite experimental and by default isn't the strongest. Though it tries to be and has its perks, you'll still have to configure it to get the most out of it. Hang around /r/freenet too.
Freenet provides anonymous publishing and messaging (including a twitter clone, and forums) and has been around for 15 years. Freenet has a pretty poor user experience in my opinion, so we're having a hackathon December 19th and 20th focused on usability. I'm pretty new to the project, and the project is quite old, but I'm very excited about it, I was actually planning on submitting the hackathon announcement to this subreddit (I probably still will, though I feel a bit spammy).
If we take for example Freenet ( https://freenetproject.org/ ), we can list this problems :
- slow connection
- lot of files are lost because people didn't share a big storage
- Java T_T
- very few people know Freenet
- no javascript
- only static files (= non PHP or other server's language)
Judging by your word choice you shouldn't attempt to use any of them as you have little knowledge on the subject. You should take the time to read up on all the terms you tried using, wikipedia or a simple google search would be a great place to start.
Not sure why you didn't just ask your friend but he was most likely talking about i2p or freenet. Note that if you wish to access .onion links you'll still need to use tor or a service like tor2web.
ZeroNet is essentially a decentralized version of the web. Rather than having sites hosted on a single server, sites are distributed among different nodes, and users connected to the network act as both a client and a server. It's similar to filesharing protocols like BitTorrent in this regard. Among the advantages of such an approach:
ZeroNet is censorship resistant because there's no single server that can be targeted for blocking
ZeroNet distributes the cost of hosting sites out among the users; whereas with a traditional website the operator must cover the cost of bandwidth and server costs, with a peer-to-peer network the user's computers all act as servers, so the more people use the network the more bandwidth is available to run it.
ZeroNet isn't a proxy to the web like TOR is - requests to ordinary websites don't go through the ZeroNet network. In contrast to other decentralized networks like Freenet, ZeroNet does not provide anonymity. The developers claim that you can proxy through TOR for this, but I don't know enough about it to tell how well this works - the protocol is similar to BitTorrent, which is not anonymous, even when used over TOR.
Sorry for the mess, I've had a brief moment to start to play with the CSS.
What type of program? The one that everyone will be running to connect? Or an individual's that they've uploaded?
Good idea, and I will have a look, but I don't think that BitTorrent is the way I want to go. I want to eliminate the 'seeding' philosophy, and instead, deal with each node and computer as equal, which all contribute. Hence, I think the Freenet's source code is probably more applicable. Feel free to have a look.
> There is no 'dark net' really. It just mean shit Google doesn't currently have indexed
The term "darknet" has a specific meaning that's distinct from that of "deep web".
A darknet is another term for a so called "friend to friend" network, where connections are only made between trusted peers, and strong cryptography is used to prevent connections being intercepted or tampered with. In theory, this is more secure than things like TOR since the only people that can see your connections are people that you personally trust. Examples include Freenet and Retroshare.
The term is also used to refer to TOR hidden services. These are websites which are hosted over TOR. With no exit relay, there is end to end encryption, and the system is set up so that both the server and client remain anonymous. TOR is not a friend-to-friend network; the choice of relays are random and it is theoretically possible (though unlikely) that a malicious entity could compromise all three links, thus deanonymizing a user.
Yes it does.
From the project donations page: > All donations go to The Freenet Project Inc, a non-profit 501c3 corporation with the following mission statement:
> Der er flere eksempler på at brug af tor ikke er så sikker som man kunne håbe...
Det har du fuldstændig ret i. Mig bekendt har der også været historier fremme om at NSA driver mange (de fleste?) exit-nodes.
Jeg håber ikke min kommentar bliver forstået som man er helt sikker, bare man bruger tor. Det var blot et eksempel på en af de "metoder" man kunne bruge.
Måske freenet er et bedre bud? Kender ikke status på det.
Hm, I wonder if freenet is still around.
Edit: yep, still kicking, latest update was last month: https://freenetproject.org/
Feels kinda iffy to transfer who knows what, but I guess that isn't as apparent/visible when using tribler.
On the scale of a few months I don't think that's enough to change it significantly. Was the drive external? If it was that could mean its throughput was not good.
Freenet certainly does not behave well in low-memory environments by default, and must be carefully tuned and operated to be viable there. One should configure memory limits such that running out of memory is avoided during normal operation. (There's an option on the "Core settings" page for it.)
In the future if you'd like help with stuff (and have time to wait around if no one's around) feel free to join the support chat.
Heureusement — et comme d’habitude — cette loi sera sans effet contre Freenet 😉
Bon, ceci dit je n’ai jamais réussi à trouver quoi que ce soit d’intéressant en matière de propagande terroriste sur Freenet. Diverses versions de l’Anarchist cookbook et des copies de messages de djihadistes, oui; mais pas de manuels de formation, d’informations de coordination, ou de guides sur comment rejoindre les zones de combat. Via Tor, idem. Je suis limite déçu, et je me demande du coup où les élus qui couinent sur les dangers des darkwebs trouvent leurs info 😝
Bon, par contre pour le sexe c’est blindé : lolicon, pédophilie, zoophilie, il y a de tout. Idem pour les psychotropes. Mais le terrorisme ? Non.
I would say it's not necessary to reinvent the wheel. There are already open-source crypto-based anonymous distributed file sharing networks, might as well use one of them. Freenet for example.
It should be said that there is a project with similar aspects called The Freenet Project. The users are anonymous (if they want to be) and all the data on the local disks are encrypted. The main purpose of the project is a decentralized and completely anonymous network, so it is not the exact same as this MaidSafe network but it is definitely worth checking out if you are interested in this type of stuff!
Obviously, Freenet is required to access this resource.
> Bitcoin Over Freenet (BOF) allows transferring blocks and transactions to and from Bitcoin clients using Freenet. Bitcoin clients may be isolated and only update through BOF, or they may be hybrid and connect to BOF as well as other Bitcoin clients. Hybrid clients are necessary to get the latest blocks and transactions from the greater Bitcoin network. BOF uses the Bitcoin RPC service to communicate with Bitcoin, so be sure to set the service up correctly in Bitcoin and set the corresponding options in BOF. If you are running Bitcoin 0.8.x or later, you must enable the full transaction history when you start the Bitcoin client. Older Bitcoin clients always keep the full transaction history. > > * bof-src-0.0.2.zip > * bof-win32-bin-0.0.2.zip > * bof-win64-bin-0.0.2.zip > * bof-linux-x86-bin-0.0.2.tgz > * bof-linux-amd64-bin-0.0.2.tgz
I am going to test this 😉