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Check out Vivaldi. Made by the guy who originally started Opera. It's much more like the old Opera 12 with new and great features. (You should check it out too, /u/TLM_A) :)
So, a couple red flags.
First off - Vivaldi had a press release ready to go on this. I mean sure, they could just be excited about being the default browser and the devs may have reached out to them to let them know but... seems odd.
https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-is-the-default-browser-on-manjaro-linux/
Seems odder still that the co-CEO of Manjaro decided to do this in a "community" edition. Per said press release:
>To give Vivaldi more of the attention it deserves, I decided to include it as the default browser in our popular Cinnamon Community Edition. With its remarkable browsing speed, exceptional customizability and especially the way it values user privacy, Vivaldi for me is a perfect match for Manjaro Linux.”
If I had to guess I would say that Vivaldi paid to be the new default, probably with the thinking that, if there is minimal backlash, they will pay more to be the default distro wide.
Not great if it is the case.
They're a Chinese subsidiary now. A lot of the core Opera devs left to create Vivaldi which is more true to the original Opera mission. It's still young though but it seems promising.
Sold to a Chinese company a good while ago.
Co-founder of Opera, Jon von Tetzchner, left long before that, though. He went on to develop Vivaldi, basing it off Chromium (the completely open source base Google Chrome also comes from).
With Vivaldi's creation, he brought into the modern age many of the features (such as tab stacking) that made Opera 12 and earlier so great, and it only continues to improve.
32-bit & 64-bit binaries are available for both Windows and Linux. I believe Mac only has a 64-bit build since OSX 10.6 was the last release to support a 32-bit environment.
All binaries are available here: https://vivaldi.com/download/
Isn't Debian Jessie 100% free software, including the kernel? The only reason it isn't a Stallman-approved distro is because you can enable non-free repos easily if you want to (they are not enabled by default).
I'd say the reason that people want Vivaldi to be 100% FOSS is related to privacy. They have over 30 people in their team, so you end up wondering how they are making money out of this.
To the garbage bin with this then, despite its really compelling Turbo compression mode.
Opera's spirit departed its body and settled into Vivaldi anyway and they got an android beta. Too bad the latest source code for Presto wasnt properly released (older 12.15 source leaked a few years back).
It's a misconception that Firefox was the first to have tabs. The independent browser Opera was initiator of many improvements, including tabs.
Unfortunately, a few years ago they abandoned their own philosophies and started all over. I then stopped using Opera and have used Firefox as my main browser since.
However, one of their founders has started a new company, which is building a new browser with the original philosophy, Vivaldi, a browser directed at power users. I'm using the technical build at the moment and I'm already very impressed.
> "To give Vivaldi more of the attention it deserves, I decided to include it as the default browser in our popular Cinnamon Community Edition. With its remarkable browsing speed, exceptional customizability and especially the way it values user privacy, Vivaldi for me is a perfect match for Manjaro Linux."
What the?
When they hardcoded Pocket into Firefox, I was an avid Pocket user for about two years (back from when it was called Read It Later.) I immediately deleted Firefox and my Pocket account, moving over to Instapaper.
Browser-wise, I floated around for a while before settling on Vivaldi. It's based on Chrome, so there's a good library of extensions, but it has a lot more options for the UI than Chrome does.
While technically true, that telemetry isn't used to gather information on features or how users use the browser.
According to their privacy policy ( https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ ) , it's only for:
> The purpose of this collection is to determine the total number of active users and their geographical distribution.
Instead, Vivaldi relies on their official forums feature requests (and to some extent I imagine social media) to hear what their users want.
Opera is owned by a chinese consortium, think of it what you want (especially regarding VPN).
Vivaldi is the 'new' browser by the opera founder / CEO. Also supports chrome extensions out of the box and uses the same rendering engine.
I don't want to say that we are open source, but I just want to say that we are not completely closed source and give some information.
The modifications we do to chromium are dumped here https://vivaldi.com/source/
It doesn't include the JavaScript code. But you have easy access to bundle.js. CSS rules for modifications are also possible and you can use chromium developer tools to analyze the application, a tool all web developers knows to some extent.
It has happened more than once, well to be honest, two times, that an user has sent me patches directly on the behaviour they want changed and they clearly had advanced knowledge about how the source code was written. Both times I have added the code like the user requested.
Vivaldi is definitely not free software but source code isnt completely inaccessible.
>We also know what version of Vivaldi you’re running, the type of
processor chip, OS, and screen resolution. Not much to be honest.
Except this data apparently, metioned here: https://vivaldi.com/zerotracking/
In Firefox I can look at every line of code(via searchfox.org), while with Vivaldi I have to trust their blogposts.
Hijacking your comment, but while Opera is dead, long live ~~Opera~~ Vivaldi! Its the old Opera CEO. Drawback is that Vivaldi is again closed-source, and don't even try to fathom how they're making money.
I need to look into it. I've heard that, but then there's a download link for the source code: https://vivaldi.com/source/
This claims their changes are under BSD license: https://vivaldi.net/userblogs/entry/a-few-words-about-open-source-vivaldi
So it sounds like they're open source, but not accepting contributions?
I've been using it for months as well, it's great. I've used Chrome, Firefox, and Opera previously. Only problem I have is streaming video stutters, but I fixed that by changing some options in chrome://flags.
/r/vivaldibrowser
I honestly think Vivaldi is the best Chromium-based browser. The developers listen to the community, it's fast and clean, and it offers quite a bit in customization. Plus they keep adding in new features that make it better and better.
To be honest, I've rarely encountered any problems with it, except for a botched update that forced me to reinstall the browser.
This post would be a monster if I detailed everything I think Vivaldi does better than other browsers, including Chrome and Chromium based browsers, so I'll link their feature page
That said, Vivaldi's tab management is so many light-years ahead of anyone else's, that if the browser was otherwise identical to everything else out there, I'd still use it just for the tab management.
Yay, yet another misleading title by Phoronix.
Well, anyway, the idea of shortening even more the release policy seems really vague to give any conclusion. I do think that the 18 weeks cycle was very good for Firefox. If you use Firefox for more time like me and paid attention you may remember how the transition from Firefox 3.6 to 4.0 was a hell, delayed multiple times and with reduced funcionality than expected. The new release cycle matches what we expect from a modern web browser much better.
Now, the fact that they seem to want to remove XUL/XBL and use full web technologies to render the interface instead is great. So much time is spent to make HTML/CSS/JS and other web technologies fast, and they need to do everything again to XUL/XBL. I believe that modern browser UI should be just another "web page", something similar that what Vivaldi does (it uses Electron). After that, you simple render a window using any native widget (and should be easy, since is just a window) and you get a multi-platform UI that is consistent between OS for free, and fast since your browser should be fast in rendering HTML/CSS.
Yeah, something weird is going on. I also can't use Opera anymore, since they were sold to China. Their original team has a newer and more power-user friendly browser called Vivaldi though. You should try it out.
schon mal vivaldi angeschaut: https://vivaldi.com
ist von nem ehemaligen Opera Chef und quasi der geistige nachfolger zu Opera 12. d.h. viele einstellungsmöglichkeiten um den Browser auf die eigenen Bedürfnisse anzupassen. Als unterbau wird chrome verwendet und alle chrome addons (z.b. adblock) sollten auch hier funktionieren. leider bedeutet das auch, dass der browser den speicherhunger von chrome geerbt hat, aber damit muss man halt leben.
It's better if everything is open-source, for sure. I should have put it that way : "Yes, it is partially [...]". In their case, they state that 95% of their code is open-source (source).
True, the remaining 5% could potentially steal your data, yet, as far as I know, this is unproven. And looking at my PiHole, the browser send way less request than Brave or even Firefox to their servers.
I still prefer a hardened Firefox and Ungoogled-chromium privacy-wise though.
Of course there was a changelog every time
Changelog 1 https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/minor-update-desktop-4-1/
[Chromium] Upgraded to 92.0.4515.134
[Linux] Chromium browsers fail to start with systemd-resolved version 249 (VB-81641)
Revert: [Capture] Rewrite UI: it caused problems for some users (VB-59680)
Changelog 2 https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/minor-update-2-for-desktop-browser-4-1/
[Translate][Crash] When translating certain websites (VB-81187)
[Media][Windows] No sound on some media after installing the AV1 video extension codec (VB-81392)
Vivaldi is source-available. In fact, all the changes we do to Chromium is available. The only thing you can't just "download and play with" is the UI, our JavaScript, HTML, CSS, and so forth. But just because of that exact reason, you can activate a few flags and still read the code.
Furthermore, Google doesn't pay us 400 million dollars per year for their searches. In fact, they don't pay us at all. We don't have a deal with them. :)
And just to prove a point, you can even switch away from Bing as your default search engine in V. You can, in fact, take it so far that you can remove our ID from the searches, so we don't get paid at all if you search with Bing. I wouldn't recommend that, of course, but AFAIK, Firefox doesn't permit their users to manipulate the search URL for Google. So how privacy-focused is it really, when the "trusted buddy of yours", provides you to drink from one of his glasses in his house, but allow the DNA company to come in and grab the glass when you leave?
> If Google purposely makes they site run trash on other browser, people will just simple turn to Bing.
They got a history of delibrately serving degraded versions of their websites to other websites or completely blocking them "because theyre not compatible" even though they totally are (even to chromium forks supposed to be 100.00% compatible). It happens too often to be coincidences from accidental technical decisions theyd revert rather than deliberate crippling. Web pioneers are calling them out with decreasing restraint.
MS did this sht back in the days with its MSN portal, serving an inferior version to non-IE browsers and Google is doing the same today, just with far more efficiency and a faster browser whose quirks casuals overlook.
Small trick (but not recommended anyway), force-enable Electrolysis, even if you have addons uncompatible with.
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis#Force_Enable
PS: You can check if Electrolysis is enabled at about:support (check if "Multi-Processes" is 1/1 enabled.
Firefox is slowly recovering from Google Chrome. I hope that he will again become a major competitor. And for curious, you can try Vivaldi, which is a really great web browser (for super-user) based on Chromium, so compatible with Chrome's addon. => https://vivaldi.com/
It's an 'official' announcement, and interpreting 'they' as the community is a stretch. It's plainly endorsed by the Manjaro team. It's also interesting that Vivaldi had a press release ready to go:
https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-is-the-default-browser-on-manjaro-linux/
Notably, that press release includes this tidbit from the co-CEO:
> To give Vivaldi more of the attention it deserves, I decided to include it as the default browser in our popular Cinnamon Community Edition. With its remarkable browsing speed, exceptional customizability and especially the way it values user privacy, Vivaldi for me is a perfect match for Manjaro Linux.”
Yes =(, now there's very little value in using Opera over Chromium. Many employees quit soon after the transition, and some went to develop Vivaldi, which looks good, but I'm already used to Firefox.
Edit: here's the short story about Vivaldi, I just checked it and it looks way more customizable then when I last checked, I may give it another go.
Vivaldi is made up of two parts, Chromium (largely c++) and our unique UI (written in HTML/CSS/JS). For any changes we make to Chromium, we match the license of whatever we modify. Or anything new will have that license you linked above.
However, it is only our Chromium work that is found on https://vivaldi.com/source/. If you were to build it and run it, nothing will display as the HTML/CSS/JS UI is missing. This UI is only available as part of our end user packages, which is covered by the EULA (in which we also bundle with a compiled version of our modified Chromium).
To answer your question
> [...] I allowed or not to redistribute modified versions?
You are free to take our modifications to Chromium and use them as you will since the open source license let's you do that. However, the EULA prevents you from putting out a modified Vivaldi, since it covers the installation packages and these are the only source of our UI.
So if you wanted to make your own Vivaldi derivative, then no I'm sorry you cannot without first contacting us. Explain what you want to achieve and why and we can consider your request and perhaps offer alternative terms.
That said, we have always let Linux distributions repackage Vivaldi to ease installation on distros that don't use RPM or Debian packaging (the only official Linux packages we offer). That is why you will find distros such as Arch (well the AUR), Gentoo, Slackware (via SBo), Solus, etc. who offer repackaged copies of Vivaldi. As long as they are just altering the external packaging to ease installation we are generally happy to let that slide but they should not be altering Vivaldi itself. If any other distro wants to do this and feel prevented by the EULA and need a more formal agreement, they can again contact us directly, so we can arrange something more official.
No they are not Google-fied. They do have multiple contract with search engines for example (like mozilla has with Google):
EDIT: And Vivaldi is based on... chromium.
>Vivaldi is popular enough that if you keep it up to date, you will have the same UA string as a lot of other users (since Vivaldi 2.10, the user-agent string is shared with other Chromium-based browsers, making it even less identifiable).
https://vivaldi.com/blog/shared-networks-tracking-fingerprinting/
Long time Vivaldi and Fedora user here. We got a blog post today to inform the community that Vivaldi is now default on Manjaro Cinnamon. I made a reddit search and stumbled upon this post. Jon v. Tetzchner (CEO, former Opera CEO) wrote it himself. As far as I know Vivaldi didn’t pay anything, but Manjaro and Vivaldi have been in contact.
Yes, Vivaldi is proprietary. The reasons for this circumstance, and what parts exactly are proprietary are laid out in another blog post: <https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/>. There is a chance it could go open source one day.
Vivaldi is a browser without outside investors (the employees own the company), which assures that the interests of the users are the priority (big difference to the way Opera is lead nowadays).
Much more could be said, but frankly I think it would be better you got word from someone from Manjaro and Vivaldi directly.
> Cool to learn it’s still around
Yes and no -- the current Opera browser is Chromium-based and Opera Software was bought by a group of Chinese investors years ago.
The Vivaldi browser is probably the closest current-day equivalent of the classic Opera browser (though it's also Chromium-based), and it's spearheaded by the former co-founder and CEO of Opera Software.
If you do not want to use Chrome (for privacy concerns, or whatever other reason), have a look at Vivaldi. It's based on Chromium (which is also used in Chrome), but doesnt have any of the tracking Chrome uses. It's privacy-centered. It can be installed in Portable mode too.
Your problem is probably linked to a bug in the BlueStacks emulation, not much you can do about that. But really, if you want the best experience, playing in a browser is the way to go. Not having to emulate the app is going to make everything much smoother for you.
There are quite a few lately it seems, here is the most recent one that annoyed me https://vivaldi.com/
When I scroll fast I push my middle mouse button in and move the mouse up and down.. this site stops you on every section, really frustrating. I don't think OP meant this type in particular.. but I say never mess with the way scrolling works because you never know how a user does things and all you do is frustrate them in the end.
Sana cevap vermeyi dusunurken bir anda aklima bu geldi, bende gelir gelmez yazdim. Simdi baktim beymis diye megersem browsermis eskiden tasarimi cok hosuma gitmisti, zihnimde duruyormus...
You probably need to read up a little on how to do basic stuff in Linux. Pop OS is a variant of Linux.
Also, there's /r/pop_os/
But for Vivaldi specifically, go to https://vivaldi.com/download/ and get the version 2.6 64-bit Linux deb file. Once you have that downloaded it should be easy enough to install.
They even styled the teaser closely to Vivaldi's own promotional graphic for their Razer RGB integration. Curious its arrival so soon after.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_Software
> On 10 February 2016 a group of Chinese investors offered $1.2 billion USD ($8.31 per share) to buy the company,[5] though the deal reportedly did not meet regulatory approval.[6] On 18 July 2016 Opera announced it had sold its browser, privacy and performance apps, and its name to Golden Brick Capital Private Equity Fund I Limited Partnership (a consortium of Chinese investors including Qihoo 360) was reported for an amount of $600 million USD.[6]
There are some concerns about its current ownership and their motives but nothing concrete.
Some of the original core developers of Opera left and released their own browser: https://vivaldi.com
Try Vivaldi which was made by the people who left Opera.
There’s an extension on Firefox for Mouse Gestures. And Vivaldi also has Mouse Gestures built-in.
Not saying you should switch. Just saying that Mouse Gestures need not be the deciding factor.
Best way to describe it would be that it's an extremely customisable and feature rich chrome clone.
I've read that it's compatible with Chrome, Opera, and Firefox extensions, though i've only ever tried Chrome extensions.
The big draw for me is that it's Chrome without the bundled flash software. I don't like flash and this keeps it away from me.
Take a gander.
(user opinion) Vivaldi earn their money with partner deals, who in turn earn their money with ads on their websites. I assume a partner could deem defaulting to ad or tracker blocking a violation of their deal. So instead, at first launch Vivaldi very prominently asks the users to choose, and to make it very easy to change the setting as needed. I think that is an elegant way to solve the "don't bite the hand that feeds you" problem in both directions - users and deal partners.
Here's an official statement from when they introduced the ad and tracker blocker. https://vivaldi.com/blog/ad-blocker-vivaldi-browser/
For what it's worth, if you did want to use sync, they claim its end to end encrypted and they don't have access to your data (where as google chrome, by default, does have access)
https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/tools/sync/ > The data you send us is encrypted on your computer using a password that is never sent to us. In addition, the servers on which your encrypted data is stored are well protected from intrusion both physically and from the network.
Vivaldi also doesn't track you via any sort of telemetry (https://vivaldi.com/zerotracking/) where as google and Firefox (by default, can be turned off) do.
According to privacytools, Firefox can be made to be the most private and secure with a lot of tweaks, however.
For me, Vivaldi is my main browser for the the features + customizations.
>mostly looking at their aesthetics
?
Aesthetics doesn't really define a browser's success. Vivaldi is successful because it's made by the former CEO of Opera, before Opera went to shit, and the company actually listens to what the users want and adds features based on that feedback. ( http://www.softerviews.org/vivaldi.html#TopFeatureRequests )
Opera is also horrible for privacy and selling your data (and the parent company has predatory loan apps in Africa). Vivaldi doesn't: https://vivaldi.com/zerotracking/
If you want to get into features, well, Opera doesn't have tab stacking, it's UI customization is extremely limited in terms of both themes and tab/address bar/etc placement (or hiding the UI completely). The side panel, from what I've seen, is a lot less powerful than Vivaldi's (no built in notes, no mail/calendar/rss client, and iirc no ability to natively add any website you want.) It has a very robust settings page where you can tweak way more than you can with opera.
Very helpful description. I especially like the part where the version and all the extensions are listed. Also, doesn't it seem pretty logical that reinstalling might fix the issue?
Backup your data.
Completely remove Vivaldi using Revo Uninstaller Free. Run it, double click Vivaldi, choose the Advanced mode. Wait for it to finish.
Reboot your PC.
Install the latest Vivaldi x64 snapshot from here: https://vivaldi.com/blog/snapshots/address-field-speed-dial-fixes-vivaldi-browser-snapshot-1609-4/
Honestly though, if you're the kind of person to make a ridiculous post like this, you're probably not the kind of person that Vivaldi is designed for. There's no real reason to use it besides its awesome customization features - if you can't even make an attempt to reinstall a piece of software, I doubt you'll be editing the CSS and javascript in which Vivaldi is written. Perhaps you should look into regular Chromium or Firefox.
> Used to use Google Chrome, calls Firefox bloatware!
- /r/firefox
- /r/FirefoxCSS
- Try Vivaldi Browser
- If you move to another browser with the idea that sucks, then it will suck
PS: I also try to move from Firefox to other browser a few times, but nothing meet my expectations, on security and customization, and i use Firefox since 1.0beta (and used to use Mozilla Suite before that).
^^Firefox ^^> ^^*browser
Prior to using Vivaldi, I used Opera for 10 years, or more. Opera had speed dials and gestures, which were new at the time, as well as "private" browsing. Becasue Opera was bought by a Chinese conglomerate, or whoever it was, I didn't feel like it was going to be secure anymore. So, I switched to Vivaldi, which is developed by the same developer as the original Opera.
So, I would say the most basic features are the two I mentioned; customizable speed dials and gestures. The Firefox addons I found for both of those features are not good.
The ways you can customize Vivaldi is in a completely different league than Firefox and Chrome. The sidebar and web panels are super handy, too. Tab-stacking, combining tabs into useful groups, with the option to Tile them, which will open multiple tabs into one window. It really comes in handy if you are working with multiple pages at the same time.
I tried Firefox for a few hours a while back, and I just feel like there's nothing there. It's like using Edge...
It's closer to Vivaldi and Edge, not Chrome.
Edit: For comparison,
If this is tickling your switching nerves than other browsers do have import tools built right in.
Opera is based on Chrome but has it's own web store and syncing unrelated from Google: http://www.opera.com/
Firefox is a well known alternative with a different codebase. It's extensions are often more in depth however it can be heavier on the CPU than Chrome: https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/
Chromium is an option however still uses the Google Chrome Web Store and Google Sync so it will not solve this problem. A new browser is in beta called Vivaldi however it's not really ready: https://vivaldi.com/
Built-in translation is coming. It didn’t make it into 3.8 final so 3.9 is the next target
Strange reply from someone who has it completely wrong. Vivaldi is not open-source. In fact, they wrote an entire blog explaining why here. Instead of reading one sentence and then being an ignorant fuck on reddit, maybe you should educate yourself before looking like a clown next time.
Chromium is pretty lousy on the Pi.
For YT, try Download Vivaldi. Grab the Linux DEB ARM version.
For streaming, try Chromium Media Edition. Raspberry Pi Netflix One Line Easy Install – along with Hulu, Amazon Prime, Disney Plus, HBO, Spotify, Pandora, and many others.
Du und /u/MVRS98 könntet euch mal Vivaldi anschauen. Das nutzt zwar auch Chromium im Hintergrund, aber die Features und Funktionen orientieren sich mehr am klassischen Opera (ist auch von ehemaligen Operamitarbeitern).
Here it is from a primary source instead of a re-post spam site. This link was already posted on the sub a few days ago.
How about you go ahead and use Vivaldi then? It's built on Chromium, you can install Chrome Extensions and use it as your "dedicated Netflix Browser" if you choose so.
If you think you have to berate people because of their "inferior" browser choice, then at least give them advice or options instead of calling them "sheeples" and feeling superior on the Internet.
>Why a Chinese company is bad for Opera now?
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>Why this browser should get more attention/or is underappreciated?
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>Are the devs passionate about their product?
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>Will I/We get new and innovative features?
- Because a Chinese company cannot be trusted to keep your private info actually private. Would you trust a Russian company with your private info?
- Because Vivaldi takes the open source Chromium and makes it extremely customizable, something that is the complete opposite of the uncustomizable, locked-down, dumbed-down Chrome.
- Well, it's not very easy to gauge, but I have seen a lot of markers for that would indicate that. Devs responding to not only direct posts but also random comments on this subreddit with detailed info. The very active Blog section on their homepage.
- Depends on what you mean by that.
> I use Opera since 2003, and I kinda have "feelings" attached to it, my heart will probably broke when I leave the browser, but if Opera is now owned by a cold, empty and greedy Chinese company I would like to know.
My understanding is that the origins of Vivaldi lie in the original developers of Opera getting fed up with the direction Opera was going. They left the company and made Vivaldi instead.
I use a Chromium fork called Vivaldi on both Linux and Windows. It's called Vivaldi (after a famous composer) because it's a spiritual successor to what I guess are the most-liked features of Opera. I can barely stand to look at vanilla chrome and firefox now--they're kind of ugly and clunky.
Only bad things I can say about V are that it's a little slower than Chrome/Firefox and that on Windows, I've had one issue with an extension not working. Sync is not implemented yet in stable but it's been released in nightlies/snapshots before so it's very nearly done.
There was an option to opt-out but no more. Most of Vivaldi's users are power users so I think an important percent of them disabled that option and Vivaldi realized it and removed it.
Yes, as stated in their privacy policy they collect those datas.
Give VIVALDI browser a try!
Its from the creators of Opera (which is now owned by China)
AND its has built in integration with DuckDuckGo !
https://vivaldi.com/ Run by the former Opera founder. Worked for him once. Cool guy. Following his new browser with interest but using chrome still for now.
Edit: maybe relevant: http://www.hybe.com/videos/my-plan-was-to-use-opera-my-whole-life-jon-von-tetzner
Manjaro Linux just made the move to defaulting Vivaldi on their distro. So, someone has thought about this.
If you look at the graph displaying the cpu process, it is exactly the same on both graphs pretty much, the only difference is that the brave screenshot is approx 1 minute earlier than the vivaldi screenshot. If you follow the graphs, you see the 3 spikes, followed by an increase roughly after in the Vivaldi screenshot, the brave screenshot has yet to reach it, and so is lower. you can also see that the fan speed is only 2 rpm's faster in Vivaldi then brave. If you have any clearer example, you can make a bug at https://vivaldi.com/bugreport/ and add as much info as possible, so that we can look further into it. Because as of now this doesn't look like an issue at all, atleast based on these two screenshots. Thanks!
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it:
You should not be using Opera! It was sold to communist China years ago. You're literally sending your private data to a country that "secretly" murders its own citizens to harvest their organs for foreign rich assholes. There is absolutely no valid reason to use that "browser" anymore. By the way, this is coming from someone who's loved and recommended Opera to hundreds of people in the past. It went from being an almost magical piece of software to something very evil... people just don't realize it because of its fancy wrappers.
The creator of Opera went on to make Vivaldi, which is much more advanced and customizable even in it's relatively early builds.
Watch this interview with Opera's creator, Jon von Tetzchner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI-DrmORu98
Give Vivaldi a shot: (Always use the latest x64 snapshot for best performance.) https://vivaldi.com/blog/snapshots/address-field-speed-dial-fixes-vivaldi-browser-snapshot-1609-4/
(I'm not affiliated in any way - just a big fan who's kept up with the socio-political bs in the tech industry.)
> The funny thing is that all of the browsers I just mentioned are based off of Chromium and therefore will inherit the same changes Chrome/Chromium will get unless the developers do something about it
And here you have a blog post by a Vivaldi dev saying exactly that.
I personally use Vivaldi. It's based on Chromium, but with all Google stuff removed. I think the privacy policy is very agreeable. https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/
I prefer Vivaldi because of the insane customisation options and quality of life it offers.
And of course, if you want to stay private online, you can slap on all the usual Chrome extensions like Disconnect, uBlock Origin, Decentraleyes, ScriptSafe, all that good stuff.
Vivaldi is not owned by China. Opera is Chinese. Vivaldi is Norwegian.
Go with Vivaldi+uBlock Origin if you mind trackers and other annoyences. Plus, Vivaldi has a lot of customization options.
I use vivaldi for web development. its built off of chromium, but has some extra features that make my life easier. I have scss to css converters, regex matching/validation tools, and a few other interesting things in the fly out panels. makes a huge difference if you need quick access to something.
The changes to Chromium (downloadable here) are under the same BSD license as Chromium itself. The actual bulk of Vivaldi (the React app), by the nature of Javascript, is viewable in plain text.
This viewability definitely means that the entire browser source code is vettable for privacy purposes (which seems to be what most people here look for). But of course, you're right in that this is not sufficient for the browser to become open source software.
Eine Vorstellung und Feature List von den Machern gibt es hier
Nachtrag:
für Bedienhinweise, Befehls-Übersichten, Tipps & Tricks sehr empfehlenswert ist
Another alternative, which aims to be like the old Opera, is Vivaldi. I used it as my daily driver for some time a few months ago. I eventually returned to Firefox/Chrome, but Vivaldi comes along nicely. It just gets better and better. (It's no better than Otter in that sense, that Vivaldi also relies on Webkit)
I recommend to install the snapshot version.
It's has a lot of features and is very customizable out of the box, if that's something that interests you. You can even do a type of simple programming (command chains) in the browser to create your own workflows. Some people have complained that the GUI is not as responsive as other browsers and that could be the case on some hardware (I only use it on a higher-end desktop PC, so I don't notice a difference). Parts of Vivaldi are also not open source, which is a deal-breaker for some.
VIVLADI https://vivaldi.com/es/
es el que menos recursos consume (lo he comprobado en una maquina virtual de 1gb ram), pero ya de plano no sirve navegar en computadoras viejas
Try Vivaldi and no harm done. Vivaldi is good for privacy no matter how much non-Vivaldi users will try to tell you. They are very transparent about the data that is being exchanged (link below). Plus when you have all sorts of features built in, you have to rely on the trustworthiness of fewer third parties that provide extensions you may need.
https://vivaldi.com/blog/decoding-network-activity-in-vivaldi/
It's disabled all the tracking that Google adds to the Chromium base and by default blocks all ads and trackers added to websites. It's also staunchly against the new tracking/advertising system that Google is rolling out.
Vivaldi is a pretty good browser, with arguably the most features of any major browser. Most of the browser is based off the open source Chromium, but their UI is proprietary. The problem most people have with the browser is this:
>When you install Vivaldi browser (“Vivaldi”), each installation profileis assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldiwill send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located inIceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture,screen resolution and time since last message. We anonymize the IPaddress of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the IP addressfrom your Vivaldi client then we store the resolved approximate locationafter using a local geoip lookup. The purpose of this collection is todetermine the total number of active users and their geographicaldistribution.
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>source: https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/
It's not terrible (Reddit probably collects more data as you're reading this), but it is still collecting data, which freaks some people out.
It's a recent bug. I received this email upon reporting the issue:
> We discovered an issue with Sync in the Snapshot version of Vivaldi and had to disable it until we have a fix. The bug is almost fixed, but needs some double-checking and testing, before we can release in the Snapshot.
> When an update is available, please also check the accompanying blog post on Vivaldi.com (https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/snapshots/) in case there's any additional information for you to bare in mind when trying to use Sync again.
So it's just a matter of waiting.
If you only want to choose from these 2, I would say go with Brave, because of Vivaldi's data collection (We don't really know if Brave doesn't collect any data, but they say they don't, so you need to trust them, as with any browser)
This is small piece from their privacy policy:
"When you install Vivaldi browser (“Vivaldi”), each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message. We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the IP address from your Vivaldi client then we store the resolved approximate location after using a local geoip lookup. The purpose of this collection is to determine the total number of active users and their geographical distribution."
This is bit stinky, on desktop Vivaldi also integrates with Google's safe browsing (but it can be turned off in settings), they also use Google's form autofill.
And here's the link for their privacy policy: https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/
I would say Vivaldi is better than Brave, because the company that owns Brave and the CEO are not really trustable and they already did have some bad remarks such is involving in Bigotry, inserting partner's link in address bar and so. Vivaldi is closed source but the browser is amazing and it's packed with so many features, and the base source code is available for Vivaldi excapt their UI. Brave is also into cryptocurrency and they have their annoying system called "Brave Rewards" for advertisements.
vivaldi:about shows you the user agent, right now, on Windows, it is Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/87.0.4280.107 Safari/537.36.
In other words: yes.
Vivaldi garbage represent here.
> The good news is that whatever restrictions Google adds, at the end we can remove them. Our mission will always be to ensure that you have the choice.
https://vivaldi.com/blog/chromium-ad-blockers-choice/
Let the downvotes rain.
Can't help you with the freezing issue, but I think I can with the updating. The problem is when you initially installed Vivaldi, you had it install for only the current user, and not for "all users." Evidently this only affects a certain lucky few. (Yay us!)
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Download the installer from the Vivaldi site:
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Close out of all running instances of Vivaldi, then run the installer. When you are asked, install for "all users."
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Done.
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This drove me nuts for months.
From the article:
Build the Vivaldi Android app with us
We’re hard at work on our first mobile app. We’re currently collecting feature requests for it. Tell us what you want to see in it in this forum thread. You can also sign up to get notified when we have news about Vivaldi for Android. We count on your feedback!
Getting involved with Vivaldi is simple! Enjoy your browsing, spread the word, and stay in touch. We’re always looking for ways to thank you but most of all we try to make Vivaldi better so that you have even more reasons to enjoy it!
Note that Opera is also currently owned by a Chinese company. The co-founder left to develop Vivaldi.
I miss the old Presto-engine Opera, especially Turbo and Opera Mini. I have nothing but fond memories of it, and Vivaldi's only on desktops.
Tu devrais essayer Vivaldi, c'est un navigateur basé sur Chromium, édité par l'ancien fondateur d'Opera, et qui ma foi est fort plaisant et doté de features très interessantes
Have you tried Vivaldi? It is chrome-based but heavily customized, and customizable, and brings back many features that Opera <=12 used to have. It's not really the same as old Opera, not as stable or fast, but no browser is anymore.
I'm working on switching to it. First-class support for mouse gestures is a must-have for me and Firefox is losing that.
I actually made it a habit to close tabs. Cause its annoying to me to manage so many. I also personally use Chrome or Pale Moon browsers. Also it eats Space in RAM.
Also have you heard or tried of Vivaldi? It's supposed to be a spiritual successor to classic opera. https://vivaldi.com/?lang=en_US
Opera has gone in a bad direction, in my opinion, since version 12. They are trying too much to be chrome, and ignoring all the things that made opera awesome features wise.
Everyone measures browser by speed lately and it's frustrating when they ginore features and usability.
Check out vilvadi (https://vivaldi.com/), it was started by the people who started opera originally and it shows a lot of promise. Still in beta, but I foresee it being the browser I switch to from firefox after a few more versions.
Not that I'm aware of. you can use the down > right mouse gesture to quickly close tabs though.
You can't change the size of the dials, but you can increase the max number of speed dial columns: Opera > Settings > check the box for 'show advanced settings' > under 'Startpage' there's a dropdown for the max number of speed dial columns (up to 11).
Vivaldi (https://vivaldi.com) has an option for #1 under settings > tabs > tab options. For #2 it only appears to allow a max of six sd columns though and I don't see a way to increase the size of the dials there either.
Quote from the release blog post https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-gets-more-private-delivers-an-all-new-capture-pwa-support/
"The Mail and Calendar OAuth login has been changed to be specific to Mail and Calendar and is no longer shared with the main browser. So, when you choose to use the built-in Vivaldi mail client to access Gmail, you are no longer logged into all Google services, such as YouTube. This means you can use a service like Gmail, but it makes it harder for Google to track you across the internet."
Hence I assume that you have a calendar or mail setup that requires a google auth. Since mail and calendar authentication has been separated from the browser related authentication, mail and calendar are "logged of" after the update, making the popup appear.
I believe this issue has been fixed in the 4.2 snapshots that should make it into the official build soon. https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/new-commands-fullscreen-fixes-and-a-chromium-bump-vivaldi-browser-snapshot-2406-4/ has a few fullscreen fixes and I believe at least of them fixes what you're having a problem with.
According to Vivaldi themselves, about 5% are closed-source from the UI elements.
Here is the repo from them and this is the repo from GitHub which were sourced from the former site. Their claims that nearly 95% of their codes come from the open-source Chromium.
I dislike the word "obfuscation" to improve "performance" because it has a negative connotation similar to malicious code inserted with us still none the wiser.