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They are open source; the F-Droid team can compile them and provide them for free. Conversations, free on F-Droid, is the first example that springs to mind. This is allowed by open source licenses, although it is of course better if the app's author is happy with it: sometimes they are, because with Play, they have to pay some money ($25 when I checked long ago) to publish the app on that proprietary store in the first place, while with F-Droid, they don't.
Itse käytän sellaista kuin Conversations.
Löytyy sekä f-droidista (vapaan ohjelmiston "appstore") että Google Play-kaupasta. Ilmainen f-droidista mutta maksullinen Google Playn kautta.
Ja kuten Matrix, XMPP on federoitu, eli sillä, mille palvelimelle käyttäjän tekee, ei ole väliä.
Thanks for you suggestions. So I guess you use Conversations (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations) app for Android right? Unfortunately I think it does not have a desktop or web based client though. I know Nextcloud, but I think I should have a personal server for that.
You don't need service for phones to call 911.
But what we did was grab a deal from FreedomPop for $30 Moto E LTE smartphones (they sometimes offer a second for $20) with free service (if you're careful to avoid the gotchas). Then installed LineageOS and parental controls so they can only play Pokemon Go, chat with us using Conversations, take photos/video, and make emergency calls. So far, it's been working out pretty well for our 3 oldest. (As a bonus, confiscating Pokemon Go can be effective for discipline.)
Conversations is pretty good. It's available for free on F-Droid. An XMPP client supporting Signal's crypto.
They also offer a server supporting all the XEPs that the client has.
Sign up with a good XMPP provider and enable OMEMO (preferred) or OTR encryption. I use Conversations (also on F-Droid) on Android and Gajim on my PC. Secure and no number or email is required.
You know what does all those things but still looks good? Conversations. Took some time to set up a small XMPP server (you can do this with a Raspberry Pi) and it has been amazing ever since.
I should note that the images on the store page are older and that the chat bubbles now look more like Hangouts', though not as wasteful of space. Also, if you use F-Droid, the app is free.
Conversations when communicating with people who you don't want to share your phone number with and Signal for friends and family.
You want full anonymity, keep an eye on Ricochet and use it with Tails. Your original post gives the impression that you're worried about Signal having your phone number. Asking for permissions isn't necessarily a bad thing but when using proprietary software there's no way of knowing what they're used for so you should consider the following permissions for Threema:
Identity
find accounts on the device
read your own contact card
add or remove accounts
Contacts
read your contacts
modify your contacts
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
approximate location (network-based)
SMS
- receive text messages (SMS)
Photos/Media/Files
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
read the contents of your USB storage
Device ID & call information
- read phone status and identity
Other
receive data from Internet
full network access
view network connections
read sync settings
toggle sync on and off
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping
install shortcuts
run at startup
create accounts and set passwords
Google Play license check
Dann lieber Jabber, denn nichts geht über OMEMO:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations
Gibt's auch kostenlos bei fdroid, aber man kann Daniel auch Mal den Kaffee gönnen. Der legt sich all die Jahre stark ins Zeug.
XMPP alternative decentral Signal solution. OMEMO, "Conversations" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations
Weil es keiner genannt hat: Conversations ist mein Favorit.
Open Souce Jabber/XMPP Client, über die freie Repository F-Droid kostenlos verfügar, End-to-End Verschlüsselung (OMEMO. Und man kann mit z.B. Gajim als plattformübergreifendem Client auch vom Rechner darauf zugreifen. Ich finde es endlos nervig am Handy zu tippen, wenn ich eine Tastatur vor mir habe.
Wie man Freunde dafür motivieren kann? Haha.
I know your post is 5 months old now :p
BUT
I tried this today on my chromebook, and it works really well (no crashing unless you try to change the notification sounds) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations
I think it looks better than xabber :p
Or just deploy your own xmpp server with e.g prosody or ejabberd. If you need mobile with that, Conversations is a fairly recent, modern Android client.
The GPL-licensed XMPP application Conversations is available on the Play store for $2.49, or on F-Droid for free.
Alternatives :
Signal
Dispo sur toutes les plateformes, Linux itou.
C'est en tout point identique à Whatsapp, mais censé être plus éthique. Pi c'est pas facebook. Chiffrement de bout en bout. Applis et serveurs open source, mais tout passe par leurs serveurs.
Meilleure alternative car fédéré (mais un peu moins simple):
XMPP (anciennement Jabber)
Appli android excellente:
F-Droid
Google Play Store
tous les autres clients
Il faut trouver un fournisseur (ou héberger soi-même), y'en a plein de gratuits.
Pas d'"annuaire" grâce à votre numéro de téléphone, il faudra communiquer le nom de votre compte à vos amis.
Surtout texte et photo, pour la voix c'est possible mais pas vraiment d'application qui fait tout à ce que je sache.
Il y a aussi les clients autour du standard XMPP tel que Conversations sur Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations, Dino https://dino.im/ sur Desktop et Movim (que je développe personnellement) dans le navigateur (https://movim.eu/).
C'est décentralisé (contrairement à WhatsApp et Signal), y'a plein de fonctionnalités sympa, chiffré de bout en bout (ça arrive sur Movim), on peu s'autohéberger ou simplement rejoindre l'un des nombreux serveurs existants https://xmpp-servers.404.city/
Il y a une grosse communauté francophone, tant au niveau des utilisateurs que développeurs, donc vous poussez également des solutions techniques françaises et européennes :)
I'm using Conversations with my ejabberd server on my Raspberry Pi at home. I have set up Spectrum2 transports to Google Hangouts, Facebook, Telegram and Discord. Several more services would be possible.
That's the closest you can get to a universal messenger.
The most seamless would probably be Signal. It's available as a standalone app on iOS and Android, and as a Chrome extension for all of your friends on their desktops. You need to register your phone number with it which more and more seems pointless and annoying.
Another option would be to go the XMPP+OMEMO route, with people using different clients on different OS's. Conversations is an Android app (available from Google or F-droid) which is the gold standard. The preferable iOS client is ChatSecure. For other platforms you can check out Gajim and its associated OMEMO plugin, or Pidgin and its associated OMEMO plugin, or Profanity and its associated OMEMO plugin.
Edited to add: XMPP is a federated protocol like email, so you have a choice of different providers to create your XMPP account, and your account will look like an email address since it will have both a username and a domain. For additional security, I would recommend that everyone create their XMPP accounts on the same server (for example dukgo.com, so everyone would have a @dukgo.com username).
I agree that more focus should be placed on open protocols, although i'd choose XMPP over Tox due to the already extensive XMPP deployment.
Swift is a decent, Qt5-based cross-platform desktop client, and there's Conversations (Google Play, F-Droid) on Android.
Both currently lack audio/video calls but, once added, could be strong contenders for a Skype replacement.
Conversations is a modern open source jabber/XMPP/Instant Messaging client which uses OMEMO encryption, which you can connect to any hundreds or even thousands of servers or even run your own. (Its a client for federated network) (free on f-droid)
Linkme: Conversations
Edit: playstore.
Edit2: fixed playstore link :(. Thanks /u/Schnabeltierchen.
MacOS: Monal IM
iOS: ChatSecure iOS
Linux: Gajim
Android: Conversations
Server: https://gultsch.de/compliance_ranked.html
Personally, I use https://jabber.at. Just choose the one which supports XEPs you need. If you want to have a good Jabber experience on iOS I would suggest you to choose the server which supports XEP-0357: Push Notifications.
Yeah, Conversations (Google Play, F-Droid) debunks other messaging clients claims that XMPP isn't a good choice for mobile.
Pidgin/Adium/libpurple has pretty poor support for modern XMPP XEPs (and apparently the code is an absolute mess). Gajim is probably the most advanced desktop client currently available, but i think Swift could be a good, modern, cross-platform choice if it was a fleshed out a bit more.
There were proposals for both Conversations and Swift in this year's GSOC but it looks like, unfortunately, no XMPP-related projects were picked up by Google.
This! I use Prosody as my server, and the following clients:
- Gajim on Desktop
- Conversations (there's also Xabber which is free)
- Xabber Web, if I'm on someone else's machine with a client
- OJSXC plugin for Nextcloud
While Wickr reportedly facilitates the "zero knowledge" sending and receiving of encrypted messages with forward secrecy and the provider does not have the keys to decrypt anything, it is not fully open source and has a security design that is not well documented. They've also recently implemented video verification where you must show your face and speak. There's no way that is a good thing. Further, Wickr has distrubing ties to the CIA. From the NYT:
> The start-up caught the eye of several big name venture capitalists. Jim Breyer, the first to commit money to Facebook from a venture capitalist fund, led a $30 million round of financing last year from his personal venture firm, Breyer Capital. Other investors have included Gilman Louie, the founder of In-Q-Tel, the venture capital arm of the C.I.A.; Thor Halvorssen, president of the Human Rights Foundation; Richard A. Clarke, a former United States counterterrorism official; and the Knight Foundation.
Signal has all that plus it is open source and has no CIA creeps sneaking around in the background. Sadly it's tied to your phone number which simply will not do for anonymous communication, and it is for use exclusively on smartphones. Signal does not hide your metadata, but neither does Wickr.
You might consider Wire or Ricochet or Conversations instead. I suspect they would all be improvements over Wickr.
The bigger issue is that you should really, really not be using a cell phone to make drug deals. It's insecure as can be. If you're just doing DD's over wickr with no escrow, you're not using the darknet. So what are you doing here on a sub about learning the ropes of the darknet?
Check out the DNM bible linked on the sidebar. You should be using Tails or Whonix to safely access DNMs or OpenBazaar or email.
I dont know if the gchat client still works or not, but you can still use your account with any XMPP client like Conversations for Android (free on F-Droid) or Xabber. Gchat is built on the XMPP framework, so any XMPP client should work (like Gajim on desktop or https://conversejs.org
Depending on your security settings, you can log in using an app-specific password in your Google security menu.
Barring that, you can just use a regular XMPP account from any XMPP provider, or even host your own on something like a raspberry pi.
Schau dir mal Conversations als XMPP-Client an.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations&hl=de
Not found. Fixed link:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations
Maybe it works on desktop. The url is the same except for the capital C
> 2 wouldnt signal be useless if I and another party were having conversations and his phone was compromised and someone simply opened the app on his phone and can read all of our messages.
You can encrypt your message database so you have to type a password to access your messages, but if your friend doesn't even have a lock screen he probably won't set the timer to lock the messages after a while.
Apart from that you can ask your friend to set Signal to delete old messages automatically so they don't get the entire history just the latest messages.
If you don't want to give your number to the person you're talking to Signal isn't for you. Try Conversations which is an XMPP-client for Android with support for OMEMO (based on the Signal protocol). There's an experimental plugin for Gajim for desktop.
Conversations is available on Play Store, but it is a paid app there: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations
Alternatively, you can use another clone of this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.nxmedia.app.android.c0nnect.pro
Yaxim is another client for Android, but it has an older-looking UI: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.yaxim.androidclient
Another app I found it this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.tigase.messenger.phone.pro
And there are many more. Just look for "xmpp" on Play Store and install the app you like.
XMPP gives you freedom to choose which app you want to use. It's perfectly fine if you don't want to use one particular app.
In relatierten Neuigkeiten:
Conversations ist gerade gratis im Play Store
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations
There are third party SIP clients that support SIMPLE based messaging is how some providers deliver SMS. I believe you can even get Acrobits/Groundwire to support SMS from some providers.
JMP.chat absolutely supports Canada, I'm using it with my Canadian number. They do not have an app, nor is there an app to my knowledge that would let you have your SIP calls and XMPP messages under the same app. They are experimenting with XMPP calling which eventually could have your calling all happen under your chosen XMPP chat app alongside your messages but that is a ways out.
But that doesn't matter for me and my use case, I want my calling and messaging to be handled in different apps. For my use case, my JMP.chat SIP is handled by Groundwire and my JMP.chat SMS <-> XMPP is handled by Conversations. I had to go through all of my contacts and add a Jabber IM field to their contact card for their phone number in +[11-digit-phone-number]@cheogram.com format so that they were reachable. This solution is not for everyone in its current iteration, it sure does work well but you need to be into to doing things a little different, that's why I only suggested this option if you were a little technically inclined and willing to tinker a bit.
I am deeply exasperated with people who insist on using closed-source, proprietary communications platforms and expect a different outcome than what they have seen over and over again.
Use Matrix or XMPP for communication. In both cases, you can set up your own server, you can use your own clients, you can use end-to-end encryption so only the people you are talking to (not the hosts!) can read your messages.
XMPP is more of a person-to-person communication service, as opposed to offering chat-rooms. (Chat-rooms exist, but they aren't popular and they aren't easily discovered.)
I personally use sum7 as an XMPP provider. They are compatible with the conversations android app and the gajim desktop client. They even maintain their own fork of conversations on Fdroid called conv6ations.
I'm not a matrix guy, but matrix is fine, too. There are lots of chat rooms and more of an IRC like culture there. Note that you can and will get banned from chat rooms left and right if you piss off the moderators. explanation
It sounds like you lean hard-right, so search for matrix chat rooms using keywords like "pol" (a reference to imageboard culture.)
Final comment, not related to your original question: Try not to exist solely in an echo-chamber. It's important to get many perspectives as part of your information diet. It's also good to seek out well thought out essays instead of snippets of bullshit in bite-sized pieces. I'm going to plug marion-west as an example.
I'm making a post for people who come across this. It's my fault for not properly reading the resources on this (or related) subreddits. I found: https://jmp.chat/sp1a/#jabber
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I made an XMPP account (I could also self host it with prosody but I'm testing waters) and from there, after getting a nubmber, it turns an account into a way to send/receive texts AND it has built in SIP. So I can assign this number to the native dialer and use a nice looking XMPP interface for texting here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations It's nice because voicemail and images go through there like an IM and I can use any device.
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The caveats are there are no good (or modern) clients for SIP on windows that I could find. I settled on using web.xabber.com as my "hangouts.google.com" without straight calling but that is fair given how nothing now is lost functionality wise.
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Last Caveat is I have to manually make contacts like in my XMPP address book (There might be a way to pull from contacts but either way, they'll all have to have that @ added)
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So that or MySudo if anyone is reading this are really the only options in my long search.
Signal ist zentralisiert und erfordert eine Telefonnummer. XMPP und Matrix sind bessere Alternativen.
Clients für Matrix: https://matrix.org/clients-matrix/
Clients für XMPP (alle open-source mit OMEMO-Verschlüsselung):
Android: Conversations (F-Droid) ---Fork---> Pix-Art Messenger (F-Droid)
iOS und macOS: Monal.im
Windows & GNU/Linux: Gajim
XMPP-Server: https://compliance.conversations.im/
(Achtet darauf, dass OMEMO-Encryption und SOCKS5 Bytestreams verfügbar sind.)
You are better off looking for a client that supports omemo. I've used conversations on Android which I liked.
Conversations (XMPP)
Fdroid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.siacs.conversations/
Gplay: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations
XMPP servers: https://xmpp-servers.404.city
A decentralized (e-mail-like) instant messaging protocol exists since 1999. It's called Jabber or XMPP.
There are plenty of servers that give you a free account or for a very small payment annually.
The best mobile client, with end-to-end encryption by default: Conversations (free version on F-Droid). The maintainers of that (open source) client also operate a server, check out https://account.conversations.im/.
You can host your own server (not really advisable though unless you know what you're doing).
Once you're there, add me:
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A decentralized (e-mail-like) instant messaging protocol exists since 1999. It's called Jabber or XMPP.
There are plenty of servers that give you a free account or for a very small payment annually.
The best mobile client, with end-to-end encryption by default: Conversations (free version on F-Droid). The maintainers of that (open source) client also operate a server, check out https://account.conversations.im/.
You can host your own server (not really advisable though unless you know what you're doing).
Once you're there, add me:
XMPP is simply an instant messaging protocol, OTR is a tried and tested encryption algorithm for instant messaging which even the Signal protocol is based on. Using OTR encrypted messaging is at least as secure as PGP if not more because it also encrypts metadata linked to the messages being communicated.
Most XMPP clients support OTR and there's many available for Windows, OS X, and Linux. Most popular for those platforms is Pigeon. On Android there's an app called Conversations which does it. Both of those are open source.
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Of course if you're just giving away BTC or Monero, all is good. No law or rule against cryptocurrencies.
Conversations <$2.99; Google Play Store>
Best Android Jabber app I've tried, by far. Xabber is a steaming turd by comparison. Looks good; works well; doesn't crap up your notifications.
Better, it's open source <GitHub>, and there's a free build <F-Droid> available -- but be a bro and throw the guy the three bucks once you agree how much less terrible this is than Xabber.
Telegram is good, but Conversations supports OTR and OpenPGP.
It's also open source: https://github.com/siacs/Conversations
Conversations for Android is what I use with my friends and family
Usually you register with your IM client. Personally, I use Psi, but their latest release is pretty old and you have to build from git to get the latest and greatest. There's plenty of clients with regular releases out there, though.
My Android-using family uses Conversations.
I "spam" about Free Software and privacy. If someone says "use Telegram, it has fun features like stickers" that's fine. When people say "use Telegram for privacy" that's wrong and I point that out. The best option happens to be Signal, just ask Bruce Schneier or Edward Snowden. Conversations is also a decent option.