There's a great app for this, iRewardChart. I don't have kids but I use it for myself because I have a kids attitude to chores.
Edit: Also Chore Wars, if you're of the geeky persuasion.
Be careful what you wish for. If chores drops loot, the economy would be different. Everything would be much more expensive.
> maybe there's a way I can gamify our kid's chores
You could use Chore Wars a way to document etc things.. not sure if it would work in this situation but it might be good for later on too :)
this can be used for all in the family to document lol
There are apps that are focused on making games-plus-todo-lists based on this kind of idea. I don't have a list of them off the top of my head, here are some examples though:
I haven't tried any. But it seems like you're not alone. Best of luck!
It's possible he just isn't aware of the mess or doesn't know how to tackle it. I'm that way - my husband has to give me directives in small, manageable chunks with a deadline (do the dishes by 6, sweep the floors before company comes, etc.). Otherwise I just don't recognize untidiness until it's really obvious, and by that point I lack the housekeeping skills to even know how to start fixing it. It's not ideal, but I'm worlds better today than I was when we met thanks to his patience and ability to understand and work with my weaknesses, rather than him just whacking me repeatedly with the nag bat. It's a good compromise for us.
I tend to be rather competitive and a bit of a gaming geek, and we did find one thing that worked well for a while: Chore Wars. We used to do a Friday night movie at home, and whoever earned the most points would get to pick. The problem was that because I had more free time and was so competitive, I always won - the house sparkled, until he got sick of watching horror movies every week. The game worked for me though because it reduced chores to small, manageable chunks.
Try this! It lets you write quests for and determine XP for all the chores that you do!
So doing the laundry could be something like 'sacrifice your dirty garments to the beast in the closet'.
This way you can make it more of a game+ actually keep score, you get to see exactly who did what/most.
And by sitting down together and writing down everything you both think that needs to be done around the home, and how many points it should award you'll get a good idea of who doesn't mind which chores.
Heyy, I actually got some on that list! Go me! (ignoring the fact that there are more I don't than I actually do)
of the ones I do, here is my advice on getting it done:
pick 2-3 topics, and ignore everything else. Mine are: world news, Judaism, and parenting. If those ever move down on my priority list, I'll reconsider. But I doubt it.
I have trained myself in this way for YEARS. I have a bedtime routine and I use my room for sleep, sex, dressing, and reading and nothing else. I switch to decaf by 4pm. I have a bed time and I'm 30 yrs old. But, that shit works.
I literally only stock my house with coffee, tea, oj, and milk. If you don't buy it, you cant consume it. I drink a lot of decaf coffee to make up for it.
sheer willpower
I don't do this, but I made an account on http://www.chorewars.com/ today and I'm hoping it helps get the housework done.
Hopefully that helps with a couple of the items on your list ;)
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>Finally, you can claim experience points for housework.
>Recruit a party of adventurers from your household or office, and whenever one of you completes a chore, you can log it and claim XP.
"Chore Wars lets you claim experience points for household chores. By getting other people in your house or workplace to sign up to the site, you can assign experience point rewards to individual tasks and chores, and see how quickly each of you levels up."
Have you tried Chore Wars? With some kind of incentive like whoever has the most points at the end of the month gets to choose where you go out for a meal or something? If nothing else, doing it for a couple of months (to allow for the initial burst of enthusiasm to wear off) will show how much more you are doing compared to him, and hopefully prompt him to get his act together.
Still, you might be able to use some of the ideas. I can also recommend chorewars to get inspiration.
If I was going to do something like this, I would draw heavily upon tabletop RPG ideas. Each chore would be a quest with tables for random encounters (e.g. enemies and obstacles) and rewards (such as snacks and low chance of rewarding yourself with a game). Each quest should then have a Challenge rating that you need to overcome. To link you actual performance with the chance of completing the quest you could either assign yourself some stat points in different areas of expertise or give yourself a bonus based on the time used on the actual chore. Then roll a die, apply your bonus compare to the challenge rating (which might be modified by a random enemy/obstacle) and hope for loot.
I used this for a while to encourage me to do my fucking ironing.
If you live in a house full of nerds, you can all get competitive as shit to be the neatest, cleanest adventuring band out there.
Yea, like that. I never really got into foursquare. Mostly because I already tell people too much about my daily life via facebook/twitter. I also had no idea that had a rewards system besides badges. Also, there was that news piece not too long ago about theives using FB & four square to their advantage, knowing when people were out of their house. Either way, I something from a social network perspective hadn't crossed my mind. I was also thinking along the lines of ordinary everyday stuff like chorewars, but unlike foursquare I don't know how that could be regulated.
A couple of ideas:
Couples Therapy
Post a list of everything that needs to be done regularly, and when it needs t be done by, split them up into 50%.
How do they tell him what to do at work? He doesn't whine and manipulate there, does he? Do it the same way.
Treat him like a roommate, because he is one.
Ignore his "Bad person" routine.
There's a thing called Chore Wars that I used to use. It's a really great tool to help stay motivated. It's highly customizable so you can put things in like 'listen to music' or 'take a walk,' they don't have to be traditional chores.
Awesome, I had to go see if that domain was taken: http://www.chorewars.com
Also love the idea of before and after pictures. I have an easier time with tasks where there is clear progress being made, so the pics would help with tasks where the progress isn't as clear without side-by-side pics.
We started out with Chore Wars in our house :) to help keep things fun and then I could keep track of chores and if they were done...
If I had to do one of their chores it means they would owe me.. :)
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Chores are something that can be defined in writing, and when they are completed, a picture can be posted to a shared site (like dropbox)
http://www.chorewars.com/ may be useful.
Research your local tenant laws. if he is going to kick you out, hold him to the legal procedure.
My wife and I started playing Chore Wars, a fantasy roleplaying-type game where you accomplish chores to gain XP, levels, etc. I figure this'll be a great way to get my future kids interested in doing chores.
I feel like chorewars would be something reddit would really love. You basically turn chores into quests to gain XP and gear. The whole house participates and you actually end up trying to complete chores before other people get to them first. Chorewars.com
Hello, did you give ChoreWars a try?
Thanks for your reply!
If you haven't yet, come join the party of the Morning Narwhals, where we have 15 pre-set tasks, like making supper, watering the plants, and paying the bills.
Let me know what else you do for the family, and approximately how many minutes it takes, and I will add it soon! Keep up the good work, and let's appreciate the thankless hard work that we all put in every day!
Haha nice! Hey my baby is 8 months old too..
Come join the party of the Morning Narwhals, where we have 15 pre-set tasks, like making supper, watering the plants, and paying the bills.
Let me know what else you do for the family, and approximately how many minutes it takes, and I will add it soon! Keep up the good work, and let's appreciate the thankless hard work that we all put in every day!
Yeah I'm impatient too....I want people to hear about the times I wipe the table, dammit!
Come join the party of the Morning Narwhals, where we have 15 pre-set tasks, like making supper, watering the plants, and paying the bills.
Let me know what else you do for the family, and approximately how many minutes it takes, and I will add it soon! Keep up the good work, and let's appreciate the thankless hard work that we all put in every day!
These guys are making an app, I think. In the mean time...
Come join the party of the Morning Narwhals, where we have 15 pre-set tasks, like making supper, watering the plants, and paying the bills.
Let me know what else you do for the family, and approximately how many minutes it takes, and I will add it soon! Keep up the good work, and let's appreciate the thankless hard work that we all put in every day!
Yay! I want to hear all about how you dusted and cleaned!
Come join the party of the Morning Narwhals, where we have 15 pre-set tasks, like making supper, watering the plants, and paying the bills.
Let me know what else you do for the family, and approximately how many minutes it takes, and I will add it soon! Keep up the good work, and let's appreciate the thankless hard work that we all put in every day!
Thanks for your interest!
Come join the party of the Morning Narwhals, where we have 15 pre-set tasks, like making supper, watering the plants, and paying the bills.
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Thanks for your reply!
Come join the party of the Morning Narwhals, where we have 15 pre-set tasks, like making supper, watering the plants, and paying the bills.
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It might help, if you're going to give him one last chance to change housework-wise, to look into something like this. Being a gamer, he might take to it like a fish to water...
Of course, that's only the chores, all the education/job motivational stuff is a much bigger issue.
Some people have been suggesting that it's about "who is home more often", and I'd like to propose that it's not just about that, but about "who is home more often with free time". As a full time student, a person may be home often, but that doesn't mean that it's free time. Since you work full time and she studies full time, I would think that dividing the work 50/50 makes sense.
It sounds like you guys need to have a good talk about what exactly is expected to get done around the house, and then divide that in two. To me, it seems like the bigger issue here isn't who should do more work, it's what work really needs to get done. Since you're girlfriend seems to think more work is necessary, she ends up doing more. If you define what the necessary work is, then it may help divide it properly.
A website that may be of help is Chore Wars. If nothing else, it's a great way to record what chores you've done, just to motivate yourself and also keep a record.
Does he like games? Try Chore Wars. It's an online game where you guys get to create your own party of "adventurers" (the members of your household) and compete to see who can do the most "adventures" (chores) per month. You can assign different amounts of points for different chores, so that you get more points for harder chores and less for easier ones.
You can earn special items/gold, and you can assign an out-of-game incentive/reward for those (9 golden goblets = free beverage of choice at favorite restaurant; 3 magic potions = 1 free massage; 583 gold pieces = $10 gift card, etc).
Anyways, if nothing else, it's a great way to keep a record of who is doing what. Sometimes just simply having the other person see what they are/aren't doing is enough to keep them on their toes and contributing. When a person is forgetful (like he seems to be) it can be hard to remember who is doing what, and he might feel like he contributes more than he does, or that you don't contribute as much as you do. Having both of you log your chores in a fun way will make it much more clear.
Wait, so let me get this straight -- are you the one that pays all the bills? If so, this is pretty unacceptable. Have you tried telling him firmly that if he doesn't start pulling his weight, you'll leave him?
Also, you might try Chore Wars, which turns chores into a game. This will work well if one of your problems is him thinking he pulls his weight when he doesn't (because all of the chores will be recorded and points will be given, so it's clear who is doing the most work).
If he's not willing to seriously look for a job and start splitting the chores with you, I'd leave him. Barring some kind of serious disability, that kind of behavior is unacceptable.