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The cursor acceleration curve in OS X in different from that in Windows. No matter the "speed," OS X has a much more dramatic curve where faster physical movement equates to faster acceleration on screen.
You'll need a third-party add-on like SmoothMouse if you want to change it.
> way different than what I'm used to with Windows PC's.
Yep, definitely. Of course, I personally spend most of my time in OS X so Windows cursor movement feels really weird to me.
All gamers should check out SmoothMouse. It allows you to change the mouse acceleration on your mouse and trackpad independently. I use "Like Windows" for my mouse, and normal like OS X for the trackpad.
One of the first things I install on a fresh OSX install. =)
(I actually find the "Like in Windows" setting to be my personal preference… much less aggressive acceleration curve)
Smoothmouse stopped the native mouse input lag for me. It's incredible. My mouse is virtually 100% the same in os x as it is in windows, thanks to Smoothmouse but also, I guess, the fact that its settings are stored on the mouse itself (Razer Lachesis).
The only thing that worked was this program called SmoothMouse. Even then, it only works for some games, and development is usually behind OSX by a version or two. There was also some setting I had to adjust in TF2 itself for SmoothMouse to work, but honestly its been so long since I did all that I can't remember what it was. Be prepared to do a lot of troubleshooting, Apple has a hardon for mouse acceleration so turning it off is painful. Good luck.
Hey,
I recently switched to a Mac laptop and encountered this problem too.
There's two ways to fix it, as far as I know. Right now, I use a Logitech mouse and their software has the option to disable mouse acceleration as well as set the mouse's dpi. Before I realized that was an option, though, I used an application called Smoothmouse to disable mouse acceleration. Smoothmouse is freeware and has a simple UI. Hope that helps.
> There's things like, the mouse acceleration in OSX is absolutely awful, you should be able to turn it off if it isn't for you.
Interestingly enough this only applies if you're using a mouse not made by Apple. But Smoothmouse is the tool for you. It's life changing!
Horrible site, I know. If you look under the Donate button, there's this link:
It's a dated forum discussion, but I found it relevant enough while gaming to warrant installing SmoothMouse
lol, you're getting downvoted but I agree with you - I've thrown together 35+ layer AE compositions using a trackpad before.
I just got used to it (editing in the field a lot), and Mac laptop trackpads are simply head-and-shoulders above their PC equivalents. The acceleration curve for the cursor on a trackpad just feels better than Windows' trackpad curve.
To be fair, I personally feel that Windows handles mouse acceleration and latency far better than OS X though. Using SmoothMouse made me a lot happier with mice + OS X.
> http://smoothmouse.com not available for macos sierra. man i did that and it just disable mouse acceleration. i didn't found yet an other kind of acceleration. please justify clearly and with details yourself if you found an other anti-gaming thing macos does. i didn't encounter any other than this now. and my game is improving. not sure about what sensitivity in csgo tought. arm movement for rotation or more sensitivity to wrist rotate?
A bit off topic, but one fact that you should know while playing on a mac is that OS X has built-in mouse acceleration. I've played 700hrs and felt like my aim wasn't really improving until I fixed the OS-X accel. There's a little app that fixes it: smoothmouse.
As far as fps goes, I play 1024x768 stretched with everything on low and multicore rendering on. Gives me somewhat stable 100fps (dips to about 60 on very open areas, but still playable).
I guess people are downvoting you because you suggest a third party software download (which is how tons and tons of people manage to fuck up their brand new macs in mere weeks) to fix a problem that will only affect him if he's interested in pretty competitive gaming.
You're not completetly wrong though, mouse acc. sucks for a lot of games, and there's no "best easy solution" to it anymore ever since Smoothmouse isn't getting any new updates.
To be honest, most other third party mouse softwares look sketchy and or shitty and I doubt that most of them even work or have been updated in the last 5 years.
If you're just interested in a few games here and there and you really really dislike mouse acc I'd suggest these terminal commands before & after your gaming session instead to toggle mouse acc.. (I know that working with the terminal can be equally dangerous than running 3rd party software for people who don't know what they're doing but it would still be my prefered option.)
To disable mouse acc.:
defaults write .GlobalPreferences com.apple.mouse.scaling -1
you'll need to logout and log back in for changes to take effect.
To restore the standard behaviour:
defaults write .GlobalPreferences com.apple.mouse.scaling 2
There's different commands to do this if you do a little google fu.
Interesting... I did some poking around and tried disabling SmoothMouse (http://smoothmouse.com) and the problem went away. There's still a tiny bit of jank while dragging objects, but it's at least around 40-50 FPS now.
There are a few programs that may help you achieve this. I don't remember how mine was called (probably it was SmoothMouse), but you may google it for yourself. Setting it in-game won't override OS X settings, the problem is in mouse driver itself and you need third party software to bypass it.
Under programs, you can include "Smooth Mouse" for Mac.
OSX automatically has mouse acceleration turned on with no way to disable it other than going into Terminal - this does it for you, with the option to change sensitivity to a similar one on Windows.
In regards to the mouse acceleration: I use a combination of 3 programs to make my mouse behave like Windows. I am a die hard gamer but work on a Mac, so trying to adjust back and forth can throw me off my game.
I switch over my Razer Deathadder mouse for work. (using no Razer drivers)
Mouse Acceleration: SmoothMouse http://smoothmouse.com/
Mouse Scrolling (if using scroll wheel mice, not magic mouse): Scrolling is atrocious for scroll wheels on Mac. This is a paid application and has many features that I completely ignore, but it does exactly what I need and the guy who makes it is very responsive if it has any issues. Smart Scroll http://www.marcmoini.com/sx_en.html I use this with 3.2x Faster scroll speed with a 3x multiplier when I hold command while scrolling.
Mouse Buttons: Since my mouse's default drivers are pretty crappy on Mac (and on Windows for that matter) I needed something to customize my side buttons. BetterTouchTool http://www.bettertouchtool.net/ This application allows me to set Button 3 to Page Back and Button 4 to Page Forward.
There's a lot of crap in all of these that you won't want to use, but if you get this set up you'll feel like you can't live without it. I tried several things over the years as it was always frustrating adjusting to mice on mac and most of the time I'd just end up using the trackpad and it really slowed me down.
I hope this helps you!
I've owned: - Microsoft Intellimouse - Logitech MX518 - Razer Diamondback - Razer Deathadder - Razer Orochi - Razer Abyssus - Steelseries Sensei
I would say that the Steelseries Sensei is my favorite, followed by the Logitech MX518.
As a side note, if you don't like mouse acceleration and want to turn it off on OS X, use SmoothMouse: http://smoothmouse.com
There are a number of add-ons that change how the Finder behaves such as TotalFinder.
You can disable mouse acceleration by executing
defaults write .GlobalPreferences com.apple.mouse.scaling -1
in the Terminal (she'll need to logout and then log back in after to see the effect). Or, you could try a utility such as SmoothMouse if she wanted even more control.
Well, if the FPS is an issue, you could install a performance config. Chris' Max Frames config is a bit tedious to install, but it certainly helps, at least in my experience. Here is a great installation guide for it.
Also, the sensitivity. It could be possible that you have mouse acceleration enabled. Smoothmouse can fix this issue.
Hopefully one of those will be helpful.
SmoothMouse lets you fine tune the acceleration of both mice and trackpads separately.
There is a bug however combining the software with screen zoom at the same time. If there's a click whilst using screen zoom the pointer jumps positions around the screen.
Macbooks have built in mouse acceleration that you cannot turn off in settings. It will affect all games no matter what you change your in-game settings to either. This is probably at least part of the problem, or maybe causing the glitch as a whole. Regardless, SmoothMouse is the only fix that I am aware of to this, which may fix your issue as well.
OS X uses pretty weird mouse acceleration which can become really noticeable (and/or annoying) when using non-Apple mice or in games - especially in games that don't run in native resolution.
However, there are a couple of tools that can fix this by completely disabling mouse acceleration.
SmoothMouse is a little freeware tool that usually gives pretty good results. However, when having third party mouse drivers installed, it's known to sometimes result in even worse behaviour.
SmoothCursor is a similar tool. There's a free and a paid version (3$ or so); don't know what's the difference between those two. Perhaps the free version is just a trial.
There's another method that may work: Open Terminal.app and type or paste:
defaults write .GlobalPreferences com.apple.mouse.scaling -1
IIRC you have log out and log in again for it to take effect. If that doesn't work at all or gives you funny results, you can undo/overwrite these changes you made in Terminal by simply going to Mouse preferences and changing the tracking speed there.
Good luck!
Edit: Have you tried enabling/disabling 'Raw Input' in Mouse Settings in HL2 options?
I use a hackintosh and the game runs great on OS X Yosemite 10.10.1 The only drawback compared to PC is the mouse behaviour. Ive tried all the mouse fixes. The best Ive found for zero mouse acceleration: http://smoothmouse.com/
To turn off mouse accel I use Smoothmouse.
I don't know how I would change dpi and stuff because I just have a crappy microsoft mouse. I would just use the drivers that came with your mouse. If you don't like them, I guess you could look around on the razer website or something.
In game I tun raw input on and mouse acceleration off.
You can turn the acceleration down very low, but not completely. I used a mouse recording program found through the SmoothMouse website. I still have my G500 and ran the test before I switched to the Spawn. After updated the firmware and adjusting stuff in the software, the input from the Spawn was clearly better according to the program.
This is a good point. I use an external Logitech G15 keyboard, which has a programmable LCD screen in it. It's really great to make the screen do things, but the driver crashes under OS X within 10 minutes, and leaves the screen stuck with whatever it was doing. It's not even possible to just restart it. I have to reboot to get it to work again. It's kind of pathetic.
If you don't like the acceleration (and I don't either), you can try SmoothMouse, and turn it off.
OSX and windows have different input settings. When I played on OSX I played 1.85@450 and when I switched too windows it seemed so had damn fast. Like anything above 1@400 felt fast.
It just takes some time to get used too. I’d suggest lowering it by like .25-.5 sens. And then slowly working your way back up.
Edit: To anyone who plays on OSX and wants to test Windows input registration use SmoothMouse it helps kill OSX acceleration. And makes it feel similar to windows.
I used this: http://smoothmouse.com/ and it worked really well. I see now that it's no longer in development but still seems to work for my mac which is fully up to date. The biggest issue playing on mac is that the mouse isn't held to the window you're on (even in full screen) and the mouse sometimes goes to the center when pinging.
defaults write .GlobalPreferences com.apple.mouse.scaling -1
source: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5782884/disabling-mouse-acceleration-in-mac-os-x
Doesn't actually make it similar to windows.
http://smoothmouse.com/ SmoothMouse project is paused. macOS Sierra will not be supported. Doesn't actually work for Sierra :(
There's actually alot of other ways to remove annoying acceleration, including programs that are third party and made by mice makers themselves. I use a program called smoothmouse which you can download here: http://smoothmouse.com There's also a sensitivity setting so you can set up your mouse to be 6/11 like default Windows
i play on mac while traveling as i have macbook pro... to get best sensitivity download smoothmouse. removes all acceleration and copy windows style sens. will feel weird in the beginning but once you get used to it the advantages will show. http://smoothmouse.com
I used an app called smoothmouse (http://smoothmouse.com), which provides more sane accelerations (read: Windows like). I stopped using it when I upgraded to El Capitan. There's another one that I've been meaning to try, but haven't gotten around to yet: http://triq.net/articles/mouse-acceleration-preference-pane-mac-os-x
I've found that you can't disable mouse acceleration on a mac without a third-party program, the OS overrides Raw input. I found this: http://smoothmouse.com Really easy to set up your mouse as if in windows. Try it, it might help with consistency of mouse movement.
Another thing, slightly related, that I found helped immensely when it came to smoothness of movement and decreasing bugginess in general was to give up Mac OS and use Boot Camp. Great improvement, not getting stuck on objects as much anymore. Jumping from truck onto balcony on Inferno is no longer as frustrating.
It won't be amazing but you should be able to get started at a decent level. If you're playing on OSX, I would recommend running this script to help optimize CPU usage:
Also, OSX has built-in mouse accel, which is not optimal (some might argue) for CS. Use SmoothMouse to get rid of that.
> He was talking about how locked down their computers are, and both of those examples were relevant to that.
No intellectually honest person considers the cursor settings panel a legitimate example of a locked down OS. At worst, it's a mild UI complaint, given that his issue, disabling mouse acceleration, can be done in Terminal.
defaults write .GlobalPreferences com.apple.mouse.scaling -1
Alternatively, you can just install Smoothmouse.
If he presented it as a UI criticism, I'd be nodding my head in agreement. Instead, presenting a personal preference as an example of barred functionality is silly at best. This sub would be mocking any console peasant who made a similarly uninformed claim about PC modding.
Ok cool. If you're going to use OS X then I also recommend smooth mouse: http://smoothmouse.com/
It gives you the ability to use your mouse in raw input mode and work more like it does in Windows, which isn't traditionally possible to enable in OS X. You're really going to want to do that for gaming. Also enable achieve the same thing from the built-in tf2 options or from a config. But you really want mouse accel off for aiming. The best part about smoothmouse is that you can set it so it doesn't affect the trackpad.
Hello!
I had the same issue when my Windows computer crashed a while ago and I had to switch to using a Mac.
After a lot of trying and failing the way I solved it was with SmoothMouse. Using it to change the mouse setting to "Windows like".
Hope that helps :)
EDIT: Make sure you read the disclaimer when installing the software. It requires that you uninstall the Logitech software, as they clash pretty badly.
Both Windows and OSX have mouse acceleration on by default. Check out Smooth Mouse (free) to fix this on OSX. Another alternative is SteerMouse, which has more features but isn't free.
I've experienced a bit of this myself. There's a program called SmoothMouse that will help a bit: http://smoothmouse.com
It won't make it as good as the mouse response on a Windows machine, but it will help.
If you never used OSX (or a Mac) before (with a mouse), it's probably because OSX handles mouse acceleration way different as Windows. It's something to get used to, but some people will never get used to.*
My advice is to try it for a week if getting used to. If not, there are apps to make the mouse behave more like Windows. Google for 'osx windows mouse acceleration' and you'll find the answer. For example Smoothmouse, but there are more.
*As a lifelong Mac user I will never get used to Windows mouse settings. That's the other way around, but the same principle. The mouse pointer always overshoot the icon I want to click, resulting in constantly correcting (and extra strain on my wrist).
I play with a MBP too. Here are some tips I'll give you to play on a MBP, regarding the MBP part, and not touching on your gameplay/sense.
1. Lowest setting for everything for video options
2. Download Smoothmouse and set it to disable mouse accel (a little google could help)
3. Test to see if the apple earbuds allow you to get directional sound, like to hear footsteps coming from different directions.
4. Personally, I close everything else when running CSGO, except GChrome (but not running any videos on it)
5. A gaming mouse would be better since you can control (and know) your sensitivity, maybe buy a cheap one.
That's what could help for the hardware part of your CSGO problems. Regarding the game-play and game-sense part (I'm pretty sure that's the main reason), you can just search google/youtube/reddit for guides.
But buy a windows computer for the same price and it will be twice as good - and you won't need to use Smoothmouse or some other program to remove that shitty pointer precision.
I actually play on OSX sometimes, and use Smoothmouse, which gives options to turn off mouse acceleration. In my experience, it works pretty well, although at times it seems like there's a tiny amount of negative acceleration.
That has the side effect of leaving you unable to change the speed at all, however, since it disables all mouse speed scaling.
A much bigger problem with the mouse on OS X is that there is certain mouse lag that has existed since at least Tiger. It is very noticable, objectively measurable, and a huge annoyance and disadvantage in games like CounterStrike. It has been confirmed by some os x devs. More info here: http://smoothmouse.com/forum/topic/34-pointer-lag/
Mouse accel is handled automatically on all macs not only through the game, but because it will not take raw input. You can download a a program like Smoothmouse and set it on the third lowest tick (IIRC) to make your computer treat it like raw input.
I might be talking Apples and oranges, but I had this problem a lot with my Hackintosh and it drove me crazy. This program, Smoothmouse, fixed the majority of issues for me at the time, so maybe it will work for your issues.
(Ditched the Hackintosh and got a Macbook)
You should always no matter what have windows sensitivity 6/11 and don't ask why google or better yet download this: https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B_PnkMGDlD5nYXBDQTFnbE1XR0k&export=download (extract the MouseMovementRecorder insane that zip nothing else) and see for yourself what non-6/11 windows sensitivity does. Red lines are negative acceleration and green lines are positive acceleration.
http://smoothmouse.com/forum/topic/32-mouse-movement-recorder-records-mouse-pointer-movement/
Pointer lag has always been an issue with OS X since 10.4. In fact, there's a blog post detailing it here, along with a comment from John Carmack. The difference in pointer lag between Windows and OS X is night and day. It's really annoying.
I thought you can disable mouse acceleration in settings no ?
Edit : There's no acceleration problem on OSX, only "lag". Here is the Smoothmouse website where it is explained : http://smoothmouse.com/forum/topic/34-pointer-lag/
If so I don't see the point of downloading an extra software that will keep processing all day long for nothing
Bootcamp is your best option. Mouse acceleration can be solved with smoothmouse, get a mouse with a high refresh rate though, the program kills mouse speed. That's everything I know sadly.
Regarding my tracking and diagonal line tests, the idea is that I'm trying to draw a line to see how much jitter there is and I believe diagonal lines are the best to check since if there really is jitter then it won't look like a very straight line.
Here's what an ideal tracking test is supposed to look like. Compare that to my tracking results in the G700 and the Kova[+] and the Kova[+] very clearly has issues. No matter what it tries to make that curved line whenever I try to go in a diagonal line. That's pretty much because the pixels are skipping and the computer auto draws an estimated path since the cursor itself didn't travel over the line. I honestly don't know why it didn't just draw straight from point to point that way but I suppose it's more fortunate this way since it made the jitter and pixel skipping a lot more apparent. If you have anymore questions about this feel free to ask.
Also I made a mistake when naming the mouse software that detects mouse movement and the frequency. It's actually called Mouse Movement Recorder. I made the mistake in the first place since I looked at my desktop and saw "MouseTest" thinking that's what I was looking for but that was actually something completely different.
I have no issues at all anywhere else with this mouse, it works just fine (after installing SmoothMouse, a recommendation at this point!), this really only does affect Blender. And as far as I can tell the lens looks just fine, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense unfortunately.
Thanks nevertheless!
I do. I play a fairly lot of CSGO and though the 60Hz screen is a bitch I still get over 150 fps so it's fine.
I also play Civ 5, Starcraft 2, Hearthstone and a shit-ton of indie games. It feels like +90% of indie games these days are for mac too which is nice. Games like Don't Starve, FTL, Hotline Miami, Papers please, Prison architecht, Frozen Synapse and Stanley's Parable are some of my more recent favourites.
Other games I have installed/played in the past on my mac include Tropico 4, Diablo 3, Rainbow Six 3, Team Fortress 2, Minecraft, UT2k4 (a long time ago).
Right now I'm mostly waiting for Wasteland 2
Invaluable software for those of you who want to play FPS's on mac: http://smoothmouse.com/
e. I also like playing older (early 2000s) games on a virtual PC inside my mac, since you get the added benefit of snapshots (work kinda like quicksaves). Rome total war, GTA San Andreas, Hitman 1&2 etc. mostly nostalgic stuff for myself.
Just a note on your attached image, when I had the "enhance pointer precision" option checked mouse acceleration was turned on in game. I was skeptical at first but after running a program called Mouse Movement Recorder it confirmed my suspicion. I have raw input on, in game sens of 2, dpi or 1000 and windows multiplier of 1 and that damn check box screwed up my aim for awhile. I am a fan of consistency and mouse acceleration was a very unwelcome surprise.
I'm sceptical of that.. Your settings are most likely all whack and you're unfortunately a victim of the marketing BS with DPI. download Mouse Movement recorder and try to move your mouse 1 pixel. If you can't, then windows is scaling your settings. If you see green or red lines, you have the wrong settings.