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>Telegram is free forever. No ads. No subscription fees.
>Telegram has no limits on the size of your media and chats.
How do they pay for this?
Also another cool messaging client is tox. Same as telegram in regards to open source, encrypted, cross platform, but it is also decentralized. Messages aren't stored on servers but on you and your recipients' devices.
Matrix is definitely an interesting project.
There is also Tox, which I think could end up really cool if it starts seeing more use. It's got all the bells and whistles of Skype, but no registration (your "username" is a randomly generated public key that you can optionally upload to a "discovery" service), all messaging/video/file-sharing is P2P and end-to-end encrypted, and of course, completely open-source.
Thanks for the info /u/poehalco, Skype is annoying enough as is without it draining resources for no good reason. Anyone that still has issues with Skype after trying this should try Tox.
Ditto. The most advanced solution right now really seems to be Tox. Open source, p2p (decentralized), everything always end-to-end encrypted, anonymous replacement for Skype and other communication systems.
> I've commented/write-a-code/report-issue many things to Tox client development. One years had passed, and I decide to dump Tox from my clients.
Because you didn't publish your github account, I can't check if this is true. But I just assume what you are saying is wrong, because I haven't seen your username in any tox repo.
> This isn't a toxcore issue... find a different place to spread FUD (Quoting grayhatter)
This is the most important thing about it. The software has a clear purpose, a clear direction. You are encouraged to participate, but nobody is entitled to solve anything. This is open source. Your help is appreciated, your suggestions and criticism are noticed, but complaints and "I am dumping this shit!" are not intimidating anybody. They don't matter in the long run.
> Let's face it. One year passed and you still didn't solve: "Contacts know your IP address(not anonymous)." "If you disable UDP and use TCP, middle node know 'who you are' and 'who you are talking to'." "If you use 'offline message', your message will save to node server, allowing it to know from, to, and what." "Tox client never reconnect itself; other clients show offline while they're actually online." et cetra.
Software evolves slowly if not enough people are working on it. Tox seems to continue evolving. If that's not fast enough for you, I encourage you to watch the rust compiler progress. It's quite refrehsing.
> Tox is NOT a decentralized software like https://tox.chat/ claim which is a biggest lie on earth.
In fact, the first issue you linked to provides much better arguments for and against your claims than I could ever make.
So, TL; DR: criticism is okay, but nobody is entitled to act because of it.
Edit: fixed simple spelling errors.
Seems like they had some organizational problems:
>At July 11, 2015, Tox developers officially announced their disassociation with Tox Foundation, due to actions of Sean Qureshi (also known as Stqism, AlexStraunoff and NikolaiToryzin), head and sole board member of Tox Foundation, who "took a loan against Tox Foundation, and used the entirety of the foundation’s funds on personal expenses completely unrelated to the project".[15] Most of the foundations' funds consisted of prize fees after TF participation in Google Summer of Code 2014, with small part of users' donations.
>Exact amount of money Qureshi took is unknown—according to developer's statement in project's blog, it was in "low-thousands"; prior to that, on Reddit's thread explaining the situation, total sum of stolen money was reported as 3000 USD.[16] These events were also the cause of yet another project's move to the new domain, https://tox.chat, since Qureshi also provided hosting services for Tox Foundation needs and controlled all domains.
>Despite these events, developers stated that they will continue with Tox, and that source code was not compromised in any matter, as it was stored on a GitHub repo, controlled by one of the head developers, known as irungentoo; though it was noted that users should immediately switch to new software repositories. As of August 2015, no statement on situation from Qureshi is available.
> Given the power of metadata and given Protonmail's current position on not encrypting metadata coupled with their recent blog post in which they came out in favor of Net Neutrality
I really don't see how being supportive of net neutrality has anything to do with what you are saying.
> Other encrypted email providers such as Scryptmail encrypt everything end-to-end including metadata
I can't find anything saying that ScryptMail encrypts metadata end-to-end. And there is a good reason for it. If you do that, your break compatibility with the email ecosystem completely. Email was written at a time when security was not "needed", and it shows. PGP secured email is basically (an elegant) "hack" to secure what could be secured without compatibility issues, namely the plain text. The provider needs to be able to read the metadata in plain text to know who to deliver the email to. There are definitely arguments to encrypt it at rest, as well as argument to not do it. There is a privacy gain there, but it boils down to "trust us", since there is no math to guarantee privacy in the same way as it does for the message body, and whether a person think that privacy gain is worth the problems that comes with it.
If you don't want to leak any metadata, classic email is not really what you should look for. You need another protocol built from the ground up to provide both privacy and anonymity. You could take a look at Tox or similar onion route based service , but it will sadly not be compatible with any existing chat/email services.
I don't really post political stuff on Reddit, because I'm a moderate - but I feel the need to shill Tox. It's basically a low resource version of Skype that's run by a few guys at 4chan's /g/.
If you're interested check it out here
Remember that Bitcoin isn't inherently anonymous. It's pseudonymous.
All transactions in connection with your bitcoin addresses will be publicly visible. But it can definitely be used very anonymously if you do some research and use it correctly. Just don't expect it to be a magical money laundry machine.
Also a promising IM/voip skype alternative: Tox It's completely encrypted and most importantly decentralized. It's usable but still in development.
So lange es einen Anbieter gibt, der irgendwo ein Büro hat, ist das Büro in einem Staat. Der hat eine Regierung, die mit Drohungen und Gewalt immer verschlüsselte Kommunikation unterbinden und Zugang zu den Nachrichten erlangen. Es ist egal, wie vertrauenswürdig die Leute sind, sie werden im zweifel gezwungen. Am besten sieht man das am Fall Lavabit.
Wenn ihr euch jetzt also fragt, wie ihr weiterhin sicher kommunizieren könnt, müßt ihr ein Programm verwenden, das ohne zentralen Server und ohne zentrale Entwicklung funktioniert. Es muß ein gemeinsames Protokoll geben, das von verschiedenen Programmen unterstützt wird, und niemand darf das Recht haben einen Account global zu sperren.
Es gibt verschiedene technisch interessante Lösungen, die gleich ein ganzes Overlaynetzwerk implementieren. Ich hab selber vor Jahren schon I2P benutzt, will mir demnächst mal Gnunet ansehen. Das ist aber nicht ansatzweise Daukompatibel.
Wenn ihr auch mit Mama und Papa weiter privat reden wollt, kann ich eigentlich nur Tox empfehlen. Oder halt ne bessere Regierung wählen.
> I don't understand the point of this post? [...] Everybody knows it's uses p2p communication.
I haven't used Tox before, but just from the name of it (Tox vs. Tor), I assumed it uses Tor by default. So that it wouldn't expose your real IP to your chat partners, and show the Tor one instead. Which it doesn't, unless you tunnel Tox through Tor.
> They give clear and thoroughly instructions on their wiki support site, without hiding anything.. if people would actually just spend 30 sec reading it.
That's true, they even list it in their FAQ.
There are a few Open Source, Peer to Peer options out there.
simple peer to peer chat:
http://gnutalk.sourceforge.net/
More complexe Peer to Peer chat protocol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tox_(protocol)
https://tox.chat/
You don't need to rely on corporations for everything.
I've been using Tox with my gf to video chat. We've also considered Wire, Signal (which we use for regular messaging) and Matrix. Nowadays, we also have a NextCloud available to us which apparently supports video chat.
Tox is peer-to-peer, no need for a central server. It's also completely free and open source.
I assume you are referring to one of the social network share buttons on https://tox.chat ? If so feel free to make an issue on the Website Issue Tracker and a developer will get back to you.
I'd like to point out that there are alternatives to federation, namely fully distributed DHTs such as the ones used in Tox.
AFAIK that's the approach where you can take the best from both worlds: have a single protocol implementation that the community can rapidly iterate on while not depending on a central authority.
I think what you want to do is pretty hard for a few reasons. That said, you have some options.
Tox is a decentralised chatting app. Open source and all that.
You can use something like a WebSocket to connect devices, however you will probably run into problems with discovering devices, which is why decentralised is hard.
Det er jo vigtigt at få fat på alle de her terrorister og kriminelle bagmænd som vi alle ved kommunikerer via Skype og Facebook. /s
Personligt rører det mig ikke at de overvåget "offentlige" medier, da jeg i forvejen følte mig overvåget, og har vænnet mig til det. Hvis vi virkelig skulle ramme kriminelle skulle vi nok gå efter krypteret chat over TOR(tox), men eftersom noget så simpelt som Rejsekortet ikke kan fungerer tvivler jeg stærkt på dansk IT kan få noget brugbart ud af logning.
IMO Every personal communication software should follow three rules:
a) open source,
b) end to end (e2e) encryption, because you can't let anyone else do your encryption for you,
c) peer to peer (p2p) message distribution, because you can't let anyone else deliver the messages for you.
Everything else comes after that.
Only ones that come close to these rules are Ricochet, Tox, Ring. BUT they haven't been audited yet (apart from Ricochet), or look abandoned (again Ricochet).
Only reason why everyone is recommending Signal is because, in one interview, Snowden was talking about how encryption is important and how difficult it is to use for normal people and that we should develop more easy-to-use encryption. One example of easy-to-use enabled by default encryption he put forward was Signal. That's it, from that day on EVERYBODY was like: this is the holy grail.
Signal's servers are hosted in the USA and they are held to the USA patriot act. They can require a backdoor. Or just censure it, or suck up metadata.
p.s.:
I have poked at everybody's favorite IM, watch me being downvoted to hell. :)
We are not. The current problem is that we do not have a non-profit organisation, which would allow us to handle donations in a transparent way. Because of that we don't accept donations. As you can read on https://tox.chat/about.html:
> Tox is developed by volunteer developers who spend their free time on it, believing in the idea of the project. Tox is not a company or any other legal organization. Currently we don't accept donations as a project, but you are welcome to reach out to developers individually.
We definitely need financial support though. If we had enough money we could use it to hire part time developers to work on important features like: offline messaging, multi device support, improved group chats. Maybe Liberapay could be a solution to this?
That's the problem with proprietary, centralized garbage.
For chat, there's Tox, full p2p with mandatory always-on end to end encryption. A bit immature but usable.
There's also Matrix, federated, somewhat more mature, with a good web-based client (riot).
We need to stop using shit and start using non-centralized open protocols, pretty much.
For those who don't know what Tox is, Tox is a decentralized fully encrypted chat and video protocol. Clients have been made for it for Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, Android and IOS. That said, it's much better for DMs then it is group chat as Tox has no sort of role or permissions system, and most clients have no embeds (ie you have to download every fucking image). It's not really a replacement for Discord in any sense of the word, atleast in the way that it is most commonly used, but if you support privacy, I reccomend using Tox for your DMs.
There's a open source encrypted program called Tox. There's a few different flavors and it's still under heavy development, so it's not really ready as a daily driver yet, but I've used it on multiple occasions and it seems to be ok.
So far the biggest problems are
- non-persistent group chats
- no group calling
- difficult to bring the same profile over multiple devices
But for putting up with that, you get
- true P2P chat
- end to end encryption
- open source software
- no ads
Probably don't even have to go that far. She could just be calling him via a secure protocol, something peer-to-peer like Tox and they could be simplifying it for the listener by saying "Skype" since that's sort of the generic brand everybody knows. Kinda like "Kleenix" instead of "facial tissue". As an audio producer, Nic would easily have the software to loop back (physically or digitally) the output into his recording software, making a secure, no-metadata call record.
Que tal ajudar a popularizar o Tox, então?
A parte ruim, que ninguém gosta das redes descentralizadas é o fato de ser impossível trocar mensagens se uma das pessoas estiver offline (não existindo então, nada para entregar caso a pessoa fique online depois).
Eles estão trabalhando em protocolos e implementações para servidores que guardam essas informações (de maneira criptografada, o dono do servidor não consegue ler suas mensagens) que você possívelmente poderia escolher usar caso quisesse usar um serviço como esse.
https://tox.chat/ e2e encrypted so if she isn't spied on through her computer but during the connection it should help. If she thinks that she has malware on her computer she should install a fresh system anyway.
Most likely anybody that spies on her doesn't even care for your sex anyway. But if she is more comfortable then this might be a way for you. But no clue how easy it is to set it up.
None of this is automatic.. If you want Zero-Setup full end-to-end encryption for your text, voice, video, file transfers, groupchats, group calls, desktop sharing.. Here is the future: https://tox.chat It's already listed on privacytools.io
Si vous parlez côté serveur, v'nez faire un tour sur /r/selfhosted !
Sinon, le dernier truc à la mode (mais tellement plus), c'est Tox (n'allez pas sur tox.im, c'est un faux site − longue histoire).
Pleroma and tox.chat is not hard to use, setting up a riseupVPN is easy as well.
I mean, u can create an account on the kolektiva.social if u wanna dip ur toes in the water, or fedi.absturztau.be
you will need to use ur riseup email or protonmail though.
Most of the crazy stuff is happening in NSW and Victoria. Everything is pretty calm here in the western states- then again we're an agrarian based society and it's all very rural/remote.
I encourage everyone here to migrate to the Fediverse (Pleroma)- it's VPN friendly and you can purge all data permanently. It's all completely decentralised, so there's heaps of instances already and you can make your own instance if you wanted. If you want to know what instance to join, just DM me (was gonna post the instances here but i dont want any random authies coming in).
Reddit is in no way safe, all of your data will be stored and sold to Google, govt agencies and other third parties- as stated in their privacy policy.Other good FOSS and encrypted platforms are Element.io and tox.chat- which is also a good Discord alternative.
That's a good argument but in the real world, very few host their own mail, and Gmail is, as I said, the provider of the majority, which doesn't make it independent at all.
There are even more independent, peer to peer messaging protocols out there: https://tox.chat/ and https://briarproject.org/, both of which don't need any server. Tox uses some to bootstrap into the swarm, but it should still be possible to connect directly with a peer to bootstrap yourself, and once the bootstrapping process is done, theses servers are not necessary (until the next restart of the client). Briar even works without an internet connection, just by peer to peer Bluetooth connections.
I think tox is a good option. It's got e2e encryption, voip, video, group calls, and it's entirely p2p so i imagine it could be adopted to local ad-hoc mesh networks quite easily.
tox (the messenger) is completely unrelated to tox (the thing creating Python virtualenvs). The install guide refers to the latter.
Another way to think about it is that the GPL is toxic (and this does not mean it is bad, so hang on).
Basically everything that touches GPL needs to be GPL.
For libraries or things that need to be embedded this might be problematic.
LGPL on the other hand allows people to embed or link libraries
without the embedding or linking applications themselves having to
be licensed under the LGPL.
MIT is even more permissive, or one might say more "open" than
the GPL open source license.
Had IPFS been licensed under the GPL it would have greatly
limited its adoption. One project that, in my opionon, fell victem
to this is toxcore (https://tox.chat/download.html). A great initiative
but one that can't be touched by most companies, so it's adoption has staggered
and is limited to a handful of IM implementations.
At one point they wanted to change the license to LGPL or MIT
but a handfull of developers stopped it, and one is enough.
Mono is another project that had a lot of components licensed under GPL
or other restricive licenses which prevented it from being embedded.
Thankfully after Xamarin was acquired by Microsoft they changed it to MIT.
By doing so they have opened up to all new kinds of possiblities.
IPFS isn't just an open source application, like toxic it is a set of open protocols
which can be implemented by anyone, something like GPL however prevents people from doing that.
(Open) protocols should never be GPL licensed, implementations thereof... well that is a different debate.
Personally I am greatful they decided to go with MIT.
It seems that your comment contains 1 or more links that are hard to tap for mobile users. I will extend those so they're easier for our sausage fingers to click!
Here is link number 1 - Previous text "Tox"
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> Das Core-Team und die Besucher kommunizieren ausschließlich über TOX (https://tox.chat, https://utox.io). Durch den Peer-to-Peer Aufbau ohne Bedarf eines zentralen Servers, die End-to-End Verschlüsselung und das Routing der Pakete durch das Tor Netzwerk ist höchste Anonymität und Sicherheit gegeben.
Ich dachte immer peer to peer und Anonymität gibts nicht in ein satzt. Lol.
Jedenfalls find ich es cool das jemand Initiative zeigt und hoffe das hier noch mehr so Leute sind die so Sachen machen.
From one of the official pages: > Tox is not a company or any other legal organization. Currently we don't accept donations as a project, but you are welcome to reach out to developers individually.
The project is not on life support, but there is a massive PR campaign trying to stop Tox. When they first started trying to crowdfund their money was stolen, after that developers continued to work on it for free/independently.
To all the shills: We see you Operation Orchestra. You will not win. ;)
Sure, it's generally easy (technically, at least; the will is another matter) to go from a centralized to a federated system. In Signal's case, since the code is open, one could at the very least just make a parallel network (which is also close to the only way you can take advantage of the openness of the code, given active hostility by Signal against attempts to use/distribute unofficial builds that connect to their standard servers).
However, while federation is a form of decentralization, it's not quite distribution; which usually involves the absence of a distinction between clients and servers, which is replaced with a mesh of nodes / peers, with at worst a "soft" distinction between full (or "super") and light nodes. This is the sort of system I tend to favor whenever it's possible, while I use federated systems like XMPP in preference to completely centralized systems when it's realistically the only currently-viable choice, but without a whole lot of enthusiasm.
In the case of messaging, full distributed systems are available, though currently not without their flaws: examples are Ring with its GNU blessing and "recruiting" of standard protocols, Tox with its, uhm, 4chan fervor and free thinking, and Ricochet with its solid Tor backend.
Sad to say, but Reddit does the exact same thing, it's used for datamining conversations for business purposes, same as Google does, just in a different way. I don't know if they have a lot of business deals like Google does, or if it's more of a "here's all the convos, look through them yourself" type of deal, like if you were posting on a newsgroup or other public place like that, but I agree that you should keep convos private when possible depending on the topic and if it's something you want public. I recommend Tox for private conversations including file transfers, video calls, audio calls, etc, it's basically a P2P always-encrypted Skype replacement. Either download and run or add the PPA. Not sure if they offer other methods. Because it's an open and open source project there are several different Tox clients.
Congrats on ditching Windows though, that is a must, and not just for privacy reasons! Such an incredibly annoying OS in so many ways.
I'm not sure about the security. I think toxme.io is where you can share your tox id more easily through their database. You don't have to though; you can share tox id with your pals using your qr code or copy/pasting your tox id somewhere they can get it.
Diff clients:
Uhrm: https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore/issues/426 ... appears not to be safe at the moment
SIP has been around for a long time, and is what I use. Tox is very secure, but a bit rough at the moment. Here's a tiny list.
So I just tried it again, last time was over a year ago. I was able to install it on the tablet from Google play, then activated/logged in. Next, installed it on my phone and after activating on the phone, the tablet logged out. Re-activated on the tablet and the phone stayed logged in. So it looks like they do allow use on multiple devices, albeit with some minor hiccups.
The app is even more riddled with ads, games, stickers and other crap than before. I'd happily pay a one time fee for a 'slimmable' version without ads. Oh well, it works.
I have high hopes for Tox, but it is still in early development.
> Matrix
I had never heard of it, despite reading LWN almost every week (I missed it that week apparently).
> (features) Send and receive extensible messages with optional end-to-end encryption.
edit: Nevermind, its end-to-end encryption is optional. Not encrypting is easier, meaning people just won't bother, like with unsafe networks + OTR. Discarded. Will only look back at it if this fact changes on a newer version of the spec.
Right now, https://tox.chat is where it's at.
The main thing I am interested here is that replacing Centralized system (SMS/MMS) with another Centralized system (TextSecure/Signal) relying on Google Cloud Messaging (GCM) or WhisperSystem's own servers is not making progress and 'moving forward'. But Tox kind of stuff, and Bitmessage like systems are something revolutionary that could replace need for using AGP+K9 (difficult for most users). Tox and Bitmessage have no central point of failure, but if Google (private comapny) or OpenWhisper systems/Guardian project shut down their services 90% of privacy for mobile is f****d.
> Torrenting directly to a NAS that I have mapped to a drive as always connected.
If that NAS runs Linux you could run rtorrent or deluge-server directly on the NAS and connect your client to it. That's how seedboxes usually work. You could also just permanently mount the share and point your client there.
> Unpacking RAR files from that NAS and moving them to a different NAS that I have multiple shares set up, each as a drive letter. (I currently use Win-RAR for this)
Unpacking usually works with any client. Ubuntu should do it by default but maybe you need to install unrar.
> Re-encoding .avi and .mkv files into .mp4s. (Currently use HandBrake for this)
Handbrake works just the same on Linux.
> Skype
Skype is available, for a nicer alternative check out the new tox that tries to be what Skype was at its peak.
> Reading Comics (CDisplay is my app of choice for this at the moment).
many apps available for that. Even the default reader should handle cbr and the like, but there are better suited comic readers out there.
> TeamViewer for remote control of friends and families equipment.
Of course. > for Torrenting, I use uTorrent 2.2.1, but I can switch to qbittorrent without issue I believe, since its interface is very similar.
Deluge and Transmission are two very popular options with deluge being very close to µTorrent.
> Also, big difference between the .04 and .10 releases seems to just be support from what I can tell, and that .10 gets newer stuff that is still not super stable?
Exactly.
If you really care for such a messenger, look at Tox, an open source, end to end, perfect forward secrecy, decentralized Skype replacement. You public key is your identifier.
A routing protocol on the same basis also exists in the form of the wired mesh network CJDNS. The technology is out there, people are just too complacent to switch.
Tox is what you're looking for: https://tox.chat
Tox is a P2P, fully encrypted multi-media skype replacement.
All your text, voice, video, files, desktop sharing, groupchats over Tox are encrypted the same with zero-setup, you just start Tox and add friends and chat.
There is an external service Tox clients can use that is like a DNS for nicknames, so you can register your long unmemorable Tox ID (example: 56A1ADE4B65B86BCD51CC73E2CD4E542179F47959FE3E0E21B4B0ACDADE51855D34D34D37CB5) to a nickname so that you can tell your friends to add:
here is the main Toxdns service right now: https://toxme.io
If you want to test Tox out you can join the Public Tox groupchat by adding this bot that will join you into the group:
Bit late but Tox had an issue within the project with a member, resulting in a new website and some changes in how the project operates. Here's the new blog explaining it and here's the new official site. It's advised not to use any of the old sites (tox.im) as they are no longer under the control of the tox project
Honestly I think Tox is the direction instant messaging clients should go. It's decentralized (no need for accounts or servers), fully encrypted by default, and uses well known crypto. https://tox.chat/
I'll just leave these two distributed(no centralization other than bootstrap which can be changed)/cross-platform messengers here:
I won't make either a recommendation, but leave others to judge their value to themselves.
I've used both, solely to test them, but hadn't found either to be up-to-snuff to suggest "normal people" I know to use them.
Really weird spam. Tox is a privacy oriented chat protocol that a few different chat clients use to connect people without any use of a centralized server, but this is complete spam:
>Heal your world, take a message of love to those you cherish, create a
beautiful community for yourself and others, install TriCitizen today.
TriCitizen gets you onto the Tox network smoothly, helps you manage your
self care, gives you 4000 free sleep stories and allows you to share
your self care with others securely. Think of the Wellness community
you’re creating on TriCitizen as a beautiful tapestry, weaving you and
those you love together.
like what?
If you wanna use tox for any reason, use one of the clients listed on the official website: https://tox.chat/download.html
Sure!
Give me a link for any chat application you want, and I''ll keep in touch.
If you don't know any privacy chat services, there's one called Tox tox.chat but it needs both users to be online to work though.
I have thousands of pics/vids of only the best amateur stuff.
I can only use Tox (https://tox.chat)
My user ID is
1936F523690C146BB1BC81C0CB68260F1F547969F973CC8F07354A3C376A2928CBE218D79FD6
I have TONS of high quality amateur pics/videos. If you have anything good add me on Tox (https://tox.chat)
My user ID is
1936F523690C146BB1BC81C0CB68260F1F547969F973CC8F07354A3C376A2928CBE218D79FD6
r/Jami and Tox.chat use e2e encryption, so I guess they're secure. The real question here I think is: is it a big deal if you expose your IP while you communicate with your friends and family?
Yeah, extremely concerning would be an understatement. Zoom not being end to end encrypted means everything is plainly accessible to zoom server-side. We've obviously gotta make it do for classes for the time being, but I hope they reassess if this continues into the summer. Obviously for any meetings you're in control of, don't even consider zoom. Tox.chat is a pretty great, open source alternative.
Just to add, Tox is another excellent option. It's both fully open source and end to end encrypted. Supports end to end encrypted video calls for groups, file sharing, screen sharing, is cross platform, etc.
> die auch ihre privaten E-Mail-Adressen benutzen müssen, die Schule vergibt keine
Das macht auch Sinn so. E-Mail-Adressen in jeder Schule einzeln zu verwalten und zu vergeben ist unnötig viel Mehraufwand im Vergleich dazu, E-Mail-Adresse zentral z.B. beim Kultusministerium zu verwalten und den Schülern anzubieten.
Abgesehen davon gibt es neben E-Mail auch andere digitale Verfahren, um Dateien auszutauschen. Tox und Jami sind quelloffenen und kostenfrei, die gemeinschaftsnützlich entwickelt werden und jetzt benutzt dafür werden können. Sie arbeiten mit direkten Verbindungen, d.h. eine Übertragung funktioniert nur, wenn beide Seiten gleichzeitig da sind und man muss vermutlich jedem einzeln die Dateien schicken. Dafür kann es nicht überlastet werden, weil es viele benutzen, weil es ohne zentrale Infrastruktur auskommt.
Eine genau auf die Aufgabenfelder der Schule abgestimmte Lösung ist mir nicht bekannt. Das zu erstellen ist ein gutes Beispiel für eine Aufgabe für ein Digitalministerium :-)
> Thank you! We have a Signal Messenger chat – I also care about privacy, security and open source, so if we'd see a need for discord/slack features, we'd go for Matrix/Riot :)
Oh that's cool as a hobbyist in Vulnerability Researcher does Signal render Latex ? and also there's ToX.
Signal is the new WhatsApp. Use Tox or other real P2P & E2E encryption protocol that doesn't need your phone number, email or to fill reCaptcha when creating an account.
Yes, I know, being unable to leave offline messages when contacts are offline can be annoying but that's a small price I'd like to pay when it comes to privacy.
What differentiates Session from other decentralised end-to-end encryption messaging apps?
There are apps such as Tox Chat which have the added benefit of being available on MacOS and Linux as well as Android, iOS and Windows. There is also the Android app Briar. It's both encrypted and decentralised but if the Internet’s down, Briar can sync via Bluetooth or Wi-Fi, keeping information flowing. If the Internet’s up, Briar can sync via the Tor network, protecting users and their relationships from surveillance.
In short, what does this app offer that others can't? Also, what are the benefits of not having a mobile number attached?
https://www.linphone.org/ should work well I think. Open source and supports encryption.
Also https://jami.net/ and https://tox.chat/ supports video calls, are open source and encrypted. Never tried either and since they are decentralized I'm not sure how well they work. I believe they should be considered "beta quality" so far but might work great.
All 3 are available on pretty much all desktop and mobile platforms.
Suggest Tox
- Designed from the ground to be private with no 3rd parties involved. No central servers. No Big Brother. No rules on what you do with it.
- Automatically encrypted. No eaves dropping between you and the other end.
- Group and private chats.
- Clients for iOS, Android, Windows, Mac, and Linux.
- Text, send files, live audio and/or video.
Cons:
- Not as kittens-and-clouds fluffy as other software.
Riot/Matrix (you can sign up right now and have access to e2e encrypted communications, VoIP and Video calling), IRC, Mattermost, RocketChat, Tox.
Literally anything that respects your privacy...
Tox, although I don't know if it can handle also audio/video conferencing
and also the releases are quite old while devs are rewriting the full specification of the protocol
I have Tox amigo....
https://tox.chat/download.html
my ID =
279176882C2FC84853DE1D5CB09C11163EA69B26457A312F816E6DB3D2EC035941AF0CE6FB82
Simply "add" me as a friend with the ID and we can chat in private.
If this is a hassle, privnote.com very good as the note destroys itself after reading, like james bond LoL
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I've never used TAILS, but I think the easiest way might be to click on the link for the "qTox AppImage", from the Tox downloads page:
https://tox.chat/download.html
Then just double click.
But the more correct way might be to use the repositories. But you will have to look into this yourself. AFAIK, tails is based on Debian, and it does have qTox in it's repositories, but then again, not in 'stable'.
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/qtox
Might I suggest adding Freetube a desktop client running the Invidious API, it's like Newpipe but for desktop and the UI is much cleaner than the Invidious website.
and Riot.im A privacy focused discord alternative. I use it instead of discord and find their privacy policy to be way more reasonable. Tox is another good alternative for Hangouts, it's decentralized P2P and E2E encrypted, though it lacks a lot of functionality present in Riot and Discord.
that’s true. It is phone exclusive for voice chat and video chat purposes.
One option to check out is (Tox). Just keep in mind it’s still experimental and in beta. So it’s not to be used for security critical cases.
>it seems like the only thing I can use though
Well, don't, that's nonsense.
and
are free open source alternatives, they're more secure, and they don't datamine you and send your info to Chinese investors with dodgy TOSes. Tox even uses the same voice codec as Discord and has better video quality for calls. And Riot.im can bridge with Discord too so you don't lose your preexisting network, not to mention self-hosting.
Or just use IRC and XMPP, nothing wrong with them. I just don't understand why people don't pick the superior alternatives and sell themselves out.
>https:\//tox.chat
Feeds your IP address to your contacts
>https:\//riot.im
Permanently stores all your messages and metadata, discourages encryption, has the worst privacy policy I've ever seen
Not private.
I'm not sure. You could check here https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore for contact information, but what I've gathered after interacting with qTox for Mac (forgive me), and looking at the documentation available, I would yes and many times over. Here's an "official" page https://tox.chat/.
Εννοείται, οι εφαρμογές από μόνες τους δεν εγγυώνται προστασία, αν και είναι το πρώτο βήμα, για παράδειγμα, ο μέσος χρήστης να αποφύγει τα windows 10 ή αντί για skype να ψαχτεί με το tox -- https://tox.chat/
I think the problem with XMPP, IRC and Riat / Matrix are that they all require a server that could potentially censor your messages or even send fake messages in your name. Another problem is that once the server is down (maybe because the owner doesn't have the funds), all your friends lose contact to you. (And you lose all your contacts, unless there's a way to export the list.)
Something completely decentralized like Tox seems like a much bigger step forward! Despite being more of an instant messenger, it does support group chats.
Penso tu intendessi crittografia "asimmetrica". Se non erro WhatApp utilizza l'algoritmo di crifratura end-to-end (simmetrica) di Signal, sviluppato da Moxie Marlinspike che, di per sè sarebbe open source. Il problema è quello che fa poi WhatsApp di suo e con i suoi server. Sono in via di sviluppo alternative piuttosto interessanti, p2p (che rimuoverebbero la dipendenza da server) e basati su crittografia asimmetrica. Tra tutti mi vengono in mente:
https://tox.chat/ https://ring.cx/
Non ne ho fatto un uso tale da poterne giudicare l'effettivo livello qualitativo attuale.
I'll look those up, here are a few more.
Why the hell are you being downvoted? That's a lot of great info.
Telegram also isn't always encrypted, nor is it anonymous.
The problem with XMPP is it's not always encrypted, to the server as well as the messages needing end-to-end encryption otherwise you have no clue once it hits the server.
Surprised you didn't mention Tox, though, the p2p decentralized anonymous always-encrypted open source Skype replacement. I've been trying to get others using that since it's the best I've come across so far.
Open Whisper Systems maintain their own opensouce software for mobiles (android & apple) that sadly hasn't been expanded to PC's yet.
But Tox might be what you are after. Open source, cross-platform, chat, audio and video.
Disclaimer: there has been some drama surrounding Tox, where they split into competing groups and started accusing each other of being NSA moles and starting legal battles over who could use the name "Tox".
As for virus protection and the like, I would be dishonest if I made any suggestions - I'm not in any risk category so I haven't invested any time in keeping up with such security software right now.
Thanks for the suggestion. I read here, that the tox protocol does not use a central server. How does that work? How do people get connected to each other?
A bit late to the party, another option would Tox and it's client uTox and it's alternatives.. The advantages of the Tox protocol are that it's peer-to-peer not requiring any infrastructure and that it implements perfect forward secrecy.
For those wanting to stay in control of their clients (i.e. in a company context) the Tox protocol might not be desirable, however for private, robust chatting, calls, video calls and screensharing without the need to register users uTox is a great free and open source software tool.
skype is old tech, it was the first to do what it does really well but it has not evolved. it is not supported cross platform (you try using the client for linux) and really does not seem to do as well as some other programs.
Google hangouts are a better way to so every thing skype does and more.
skype was one of the services mentioned in the documents by Edward snowden as not really being private any more.
https://tox.chat is where I am trying to get people to go.
How about https://tox.chat/about.html ?
Okay, it's still in alpha release, but it seems more anonymous than telegraph which has central servers which store your telephone numbers which theoretically can get hacked to expose you, and as most here know, it's not safe to be an ex muslim.
Hey there!
I live up in the Dublin/Pleasanton area. 19, male. Currently going to University a few hours away, but I visit the Bay Area once every couple weeks.
Also a ABDL, only really found this whole subculture a couple years ago, but it's interesting so far!
If you want to chat, PM me here (though this isn't my main account), otherwise I'm on Tox as 0101988FDE0347519EBE43783A55E82FDBB239440313945F1D076BABFC695B5A1FB682F33600
https://tox.chat qTox is the best client at the moment. Antidote on iOS exists but that's all I know. Antox on android's audio/video is being worked on but devs are few in number. Within the next year or so the Tox network should get true offline messaging and multi-device support so you don't have to make multiple accounts on different devices. For those reading about Tox for the first time it is p2p and cannot be used unencrypted, it does text, voice, video, file transfers, desktop sharing, groupchats, group voice calls, group video conference (in updated groupchats, not yet). Groupchats are being updated, here are the features they will have when they are merged hopefully soon: https://github.com/JFreegman/toxcore/blob/new_groupchats/docs/Group-Chats.md#Features
It amuses me how they abuse their monopoly and make their app worse and worse. Maybe some day even the most loyal fans will be fed up with this shit and switch to something better. I mean, you can already sell your soul to Google instead, or even better keep your soul.
I think it is entirely possible to make multidevice sync happen withoud storing plaintexts on server, just needs a bit extra though? Maybe one could copy their private key between devices or create invisible group chat in the background, where different devices act like different users but look like one? https://tox.chat/ says they are planning to implement such feature.
> Skype calls and chats are also only encrypted between the user and MS.
Take a look at Tox. Open source, decentralized, encrypted replacement for Skype. All your data is stored locally, rather than on Microsoft's servers. No subscriptions or Ads, instead you can spread the word, donate (so Tox can get audited), or even better...contribute to the code.
I'd love to use Tox, even tried it out. Hell, my Skype status is "I'll leave Skype soon: https://tox.chat/", but the idle traffic is insane IIRC and it is hard to convince people to use a different software.
There really is no need for centralized chat systems, it's a perfect case of where decentralization is preferred. Better privacy and resistant to downtime. Why send your messages to centralized servers where corporations probably keep copies of your entire conversations when you could just chat directly to others?
More info on Tox here, https://tox.chat/
Open source & decentralized chat client.
Sem contar com jogos e steam é a minha única aplicação close source e funciona bem no linux (pelo menos nas distros que o OP tem lá exceto o Kubuntu), não existe outra alternativa caso os teus amigos e família não queiram mudar mas existem formas de atenuar.
Se só usares para texto podes utilizar o Skype Web e se utilizares linux podes utilizar ainda algo como o AppArmor ou o SELinux.
Existem boas alternativas a serem criadas como o tox mas ainda nada de jeito que consiga convencer pessoas a mudar.