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You might want to try Pale Moon, an efficiency-oriented lightweight fork of Firefox. Most extensions should be compatible between FF and Pale Moon, but this could change in the future if significant drift occurs.
I use Pale Moon, which is a fork of Firefox but with a few tweaks and removal of a few mostly useless features. Also much more stable even with all my add-ons. Kept getting regular crashes in Firefox, but are mostly absent in Pale Moon.
Love Firefox, but didn't like the way its development was heading. I'll be super bummed if the devs of Pale Moon ever move on though, as it's the Firefox that I want.
Edit: Check crossposts in the news subreddit - the responses there are actually reasonable too! The normies are realizing censoring people like Alex Jones is just the beginning! Thank goodness.
Find browser alternatives, folks. Stop using Chrome.
I know it's fast and easy to use but there are alternatives!
Some of them may suck or not be "as good" as Chrome but there IS an actual free market of browsers you can choose from, unlike our social media.
May I suggest Pale Moon? https://www.palemoon.org
When it's shitware the users don't want, it's invariably an "add-on" that can't be removed, only disabled. Search for "Pocket" and "Hello" in conjunction with Firefox.
When it's the whole reason you're using Firefox and not Chrome, it's functionality you can "regain with an extension". For example, looking like every other application (other than Chrome) on Windows.
If you dislike having sponsored add-ons in your browser, the Mozilla foundation's response is "use an extension to disable them".
This piling of kludges on kludges is why I switched to Palemoon, and then to Chromium.
Have you tried Palemoon? Trims out most of the we-gotta-be-like-Chrome crud that has accumulated in Firefox (e.g. Australis), though it looks like there's going to be a major split in extension compatibility soon with the switch to Jetpack (which is locked to the Firefox GUID), and some existing extensions that do not acknowledge non-Firefox GUIDs may take some fiddling to work.
My recommendation is Pale Moon, which is a code fork of Firefox with more classical features and the ability to take Firefox extentions.
Firefox went SJW against Gamergate back in 2014, and I've not had problems.
I already tried to find a lightweight browser, I've tested Midori, QupZilla, etc and my conclusion is:
- When the browser indeed is lightweight, it's because it lacks resources.
- When the "lightweight" browser has all or the majority of resources that modern browsers have, it wont be a lightweight browser. Taking Midori as an example, it's much more resource eater than Chromium or Firefox, which is bizarre for a browser that sells the image of
lightweightbrowser!!!
What I suggest to you: pick a modern browser like Chromium or Firefox and use a set of addons to get rid of all shit that modern internet offers. I use this combo:
- uMatrix (don't forget to save the settings for the website you commonly visit)
- Disconnect
- Decentraleyes
- (I think that all of them are available for both Chromium/Chrome and Firefox)
The actual problem nowadays is that **Internet is bloated* *. But the architecture of browsers is also a problem, Mozilla started now to upgrade Firefox's code to fit in modern hardware, Firefox still is not as good as Chromium, but since version 47 the Mozilla's browser finally has acquired some good improvement in its performance.
But if a modern browser with addons to gain performance still is not good for you, try then Pale Moon or Seamonkey. If it still is not good, try an option from here that is better enough for you.
Yes. Pale Moon will allegedly try to maintain XUL compatibility, including the browser UI itself still being in XUL. And seriously, good luck to them with that. It just means that they will have to do that much more work, and will have that much less work from Mozilla that they can easily port over to Pale Moon. Unless they're lucky, Pale Moon will just fall further and further behind.
SeaMonkey may need to keep XUL going for a bit longer, but they also only have so much time to work on it, so it's likely they will push to follow suit as soon as possible.
I for one am disappointed in the forthcoming removal of the tab groups feature. I hope it's spun off into an add-on, otherwise i'd love to see it preserved a-la palemoon.
And I always shut off Hello and Pocket. These should have been add-ons in the first place, imho.
Other than that, I haven't kept up with new or removed features since v40. Is there somewhere I can find a list?
This? There are also many different "reskins" of the game. You can download the pale moon browser if you want to play old flash games again.
Try using the Pale Moon browser (a fork of classic Firefox) with the Moonscape theme for a Netscape Navigator look. It takes a little bit of tinkering to look just right.
For one, they do not mention security and privacy as their focus on their website.
> focusing on efficiency and ease of use
Some other questionable decisions as well
> Some functions have been completely disabled to cut down on input complexity (accessibility, for one)
No real commitment to transparency either
> Rumor: "Pale Moon's tools are proprietary" > TRUE > The profile backup tool, the migration tool, and other helper applications are released under a different freeware license. These tools are not part of the browser, and do not need to be Open Source. You also in no way need these tools to be able to fully use the browser in all its facets. There is no requirement or even reason why I should be forced to also release helper applications that are in no way tied to browser operation as Open Source as well.
I think that the most coherent solution right now is the Tor Browser (Firefox ESR). For non-onion routed connections, something like GNU IceCat (Firefox ESR) or Abrowser (Firefox).
There are other non-Chrome browsers to move to. Mozilla Firefox is always an option, but the Mozilla Gecko engine powers a multitude of different browsers and applications beyond Firefox, as well as several forks. If you prefer a browser experience closer to the older versions of IE, I highly recommend Mozilla SeaMonkey. It's the old Netscape/Mozilla 1.x (from the early '00s) UI on top of the modern Firefox engine. It works with many Firefox extensions, such as uBlock Origin, and offers extreme customization and flexibility. If you're looking for a UI similar to IE 8-11, check out Pale Moon.
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It depends on what it is you hate about Firefox whether you'd hate Pale Moon given that it's originally based off Firefox. It has only become more differentiated over time but retains much of the core interface (from before Firefox Australis (the poorly-recieved version 29 overhaul)) and FF extensions are almost universally compatible. What you don't like about it, it helps that it's very customizable. It gives pretty fast/snappy performance and manages RAM usage well.
The dev team is quite competent, skilled, professional, pushing detailed security and bugs updates regularly. And my favorite, they will listen to their userbase on controversial changes to the browser.
Am a 4+ year user.
>26.4.0
Picking the right webbrowser is important simply because it is so critical to your online privacy and security. Therefore users must exercise due diligence while making this choice.
Despite that, you make the choice to use Palemoon, a browser with a virtually non-existent security development process and whose devs are frequently intellectually dishonest, if not flat-out misinformed.
As if that is not enough, you then decide to stay on v26.4.0 of Palemoon, a version that hasn't received security updates in 2 years and that the developer himself recommends against (surprisingly).
Why would you do this to yourself?
You could use browsers like Waterfox or Pale Moon, which are based on Firefox, but have all the telemetry and 3rd party integrations ripped out. That could of course present security issues as they'll never be as up to date as the code they're based on.
You can also poke around about:config to disable pretty much anything you want, or use Firefox ProfileMaker to do it for you.
In this sense I think Firefox is still 'trustworthy'. Although depending on your preferences you'll probably want to disable things like 'safe browsing' and cert check features. These default ons will constantly be sending your browing history to,
ocsp.digicert.com:80 safebrowsing.google.com:443 safebrowsing-cache.google.com:443
and the like.
Mozilla is heterogeneous. Some parts are like you say, but I think the core of Moz's devs are still on the side of the users. Unfortunately they've decided that those users are idiots and cannot be in control of their own software. Since the switch to a walled garden model back in the version 40s you can only run extensions signed and approved by Moz. That just doesn't fly. So personally I use a freedom-loving fork called "Pale Moon".
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> I'm using a PC that is still running XP Professional. That has created no end of issues with almost everything I do online but due to some reasons I won't go into I can't use anything else at the moment.
> "
You need to use something else. Period.
You might be able to fix some userscripts by running them through Babel with aggressive settings, but that's only if they're broken for you simply because they're using new language features (Promises, destructuring, arrow functions, let/const, etc.). If they're instead broken because they're using newer browser features than your outdated browsers support, they will remain broken.
The last Chrome that was available for XP was 49, and the last Firefox available was 45. The current version of Chrome is 67, and the current version of Firefox is 62. Per its manifest, the current version of MTS requires Chrome 61, at least.
Any fixes you might receive would be hit-or-miss and would have to be on a per-tool basis.
Your best bet on overall web compatibility in XP is something along the lines of the unstable branch of Pale Moon.
What? You mean Pale Moon isn't really "Your browser, your way?" That it isn't really "offering full customization and a growing collection of extensions and themes to make the browser truly your own?"
I'm shocked!
But in all seriousness, while you're certainly not alone in your concerns, I wouldn't delude yourself that it's going to get any better. The truth is that what YOU may want the browser to do and be is likely quite different from what Moonchild, Tobin, and others developing it want it to do and be.
The direction Pale Moon will be taking? Answer: Their browser, Their way.
Plan accordingly.
I couldn't find it either, so I decided to rehost it on my own website. Do note that it's a Shockwave game, which all major browsers no longer support due to security concerns, so you'll need to download a browser that still supports Shockwave to play it (I recommend Pale Moon.)
Go to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ or https://www.palemoon.org/palemoon-win32.shtml . The buttons/links on these websites should work. You install the browser, navigate to Chrome page then download it from one of these browsers.
I tested some time ago sites with IE and it said many of them don't work, even though in Firefox and the like worked. This was on XP.
At this point no, since the Pale Moon developers have decided not to support Firefox Jetpack extensions (which RES is) nor Firefox WebExtensions (which RES soon will be).
That gets you just the browser, which they were legally obliged to keep under MPL. The helper apps they developed are under a freeware license. If their level of commitment to free software stops at the bare minimum, I'm not very impressed.
GNU IceCat is better in that respect.
I don't know if this will work in FF.
>not guaranteed to work properly with other extensions that would interact with Tab Groups in Firefox. There should be no other limitations as the code in this add-on is 100% the same Tab Groups code that is present in Firefox.
>Pale Moon offers you a browsing experience in a browser completely built from its own, independently developed source that has been forked off from Firefox/Mozilla code, with carefully selected features and optimizations to maximize the browser's speed*, stability and user experience, while offering a rich collection of extensions and themes (including compatibility with many Firefox extensions users have come to love and rely on). https://www.palemoon.org/
Do you know if Mozilla has ever reviewed the Pale Moon code? The dev claims to have made some interesting improvements but one would think that since Pale Moon is opensource those improvements, such as removing unused code, would get ported.
I have tried Pale Moon on my not so great machine and it indeed seemed to perform better, but no enough to make me switch to a browser which may potentially have vulnerabilities not present in Firefox or which may get security fixes later.
Pale Moon on RAM-rich notebook, custom-built PM on RAM-starving netbook (with many features disabled and some CPU-specific tweaks to make it run sanely on a crappy Atom). It's pretty great.
I don't mean free as in price, but free as in freedom.
It wouldn't be allowed for the same reason Debian won't distribute Firefox - it has a license that restricts certain freedoms, such as the right to redistribute a modified version with the Pale Moon branding.
Pale Moon (and presumably K-Meleon, which has been a fork of Pale Moon for ~2 years) removed WebRTC support on purpose.
Even if that wasn't a show-stopper, Pale Moon's engine development is essentially a 2-person operation, and both of the main developers have a long history of spreading FUD while ignoring security best practices. Their code split off from Firefox's over 4 years ago (Firefox 56), and in addition to the aforementioned security issues it has also not kept up on features.
While I encourage using alternate (FOSS) browsers, please be cautious downloading direct links to executable files.
This is no way reflects on your browsing experience with those particular browsers, but be aware of two things:
The latest IceCat release is forked from Firefox 60.7.0 ESR. The current Extended Support Release of Firefox is 68.4.2. Keep in mind 68.4.1 ESR contained a Critical vulnerability that was being actively exploited at the time. Even the United States Government issued a release to upgrade. While there appears to be work into gettice IceCat on par with 68.4.2ESR, it is generally a good practice to avoid using software with known, critical, and actively exploited security issues.
Pale Moon suffered an incident in mid 2019 where the official builds were infected with malware that ultimately dropped a trojan. This affected Pale Moon 26.7.2 and below. Pale Moon now incorporates digital signatures and provides GPG signatures on their site. I recommend downloading from there as opposed to a link to an executable.
All this to say, if it matters to you, ensure the downloads you perform come from a trustworthy source and that integrity of the installation is verified prior to executing the files. If anti-virus flags something, I recommend having a higher bar than "the author said 'you might run into this; you can ignore the warning'" if you are able to investigate false positives. Otherwise, I recommend looking elsewhere for an official build.
> Searching for a privacy oriented browser which is not firefox
I, for one, wouldn't treat the official Mozilla Firefox as a privacy-oriented browser - at all. Mozilla has shown time and time again that it doesn't respect the users' privacy or choice to control.
My bet is Pale Moon. It is a hard fork of Firefox (however they diverged very long ago) and uses its own rendering engine, Goanna (forked of Gecko). It is maintained by a small group of community members and not by a big company like Mozilla, Microsoft or Google.
Pale Moon Отказался от пути мозиллы и продолжает развиваться по теме. Теперь его можно называть самостоятельным браузером :)
Другое дело, что наступил на те же грабли с дополнениями.
After a bit of investigating with saving the game, I ended up finding the ultimate old web browser thanks to a post on Superuser.com that suggested using a browser called Pale Moon. This browser is by no means fancy or good, but it does allow many older websites to run without issue.
- Download the 32-bit version of Pale Moon
- Download Adobe Shockwave for the browser
- Restart Pale Moon and you all set
Sadly, I could not find the SWF for the game but this is the next best thing for everyone.
So now that I've updated the most wanted changes, I took at look at Pale Moon.
Sadly, PM doesn't support ES6 modules as of today:
"Client-side ES6 modules are still a work in progress but expected to be implemented later in the year."
https://www.palemoon.org/roadmap.shtml
There's not really a lot I can do about it at the moment :-(
I just use Tampermonkey and do either
GM_addStyle(
cssRuleSetsGoHere
);
or something along the lines of
document.head.insertAdjacentHTML("beforeend",
<style id="idGoesHere">
cssRuleSetsGoHere
</style>
);
Which of the two I pick depends on my needs (i.e., when it needs to be injected, whether it needs to be manipulated programmatically, etc.).
I only ever installed Stylish because someone who didn't want to use a full-fledged userscript manager (and used Pale Moon, no less) paid me to write a theme for it. If you know how to write CSS, it's really not that hard to use these either of these methods to apply it on mTurk. No real need to install an extra extension whatsoever if you've already got Tampermonkey set up.
On my side, it works well with the web browser "Pale Moon ", with Flash Player enabled, you can give it a try!
Sometime I have still a black screen, but it goes away when I refresh the page.
Theory (unsure about that) : UStream does not work for you because UStream relies on Adobe Flash Player. But Chrome and Firefox deprecated the support of NPAPI plugins including Flash Player plugin.
Here is the last version of Unity 2 for Windows, IIRC it has the Web Plugin bundled.
You will also need a browser that supports NPAPI plugins. For this I recommend Pale Moon.
That should be it if you want to run the prototype.
Oh, also one more thing since this is a VERY old version of Unity, you can't get support for it anymore. Just want to let you know.
Being honest on the feature/differences list and also including known issues and incompatibilities, and more importantly any workarounds or alternatives for them, just like Palemoon does with known issues and incompatible addons. If you want help maintaining it from the community, you could open up the subreddit or github wiki and then update from there.
And it's just a cosmetic change, but removing red from the fading thingymabob would suit the blue waterfox theme better.
I started using Pale Moon back when Firefox first introduced the Australis UI.
Pale Moon is a FF derivative that stays up to date on security patches, has its own features and functionality added in, but still maintains compatibility with just about everything Firefox supports. (Some plugins are a bit iffy, but between the official Pale Moon versions of popular plugins and the plugin tester tool you should be able to get most major plugins working with ease).
Anyway, my feeling is Mozilla should stop trying to copy Google with their browser. If I wanted to use Google Chrome I would just go use Google Chrome.
Sorta makes sense. The project's initial selling point was that it was "optimized for modern processors", which basically meant that they just did a bit of GCC flag ricing and commented out a few lines here and there. So even from day one it was sorta debatable as to whether they were speaking from a position of expertise.
You're both a little right.
Pale Moon dropped XP support as of version 25.0.0 (back in October 2014), but their "Atom" build still supports XP. That is not so much an "optimized" build for XP as it is one that just still supports XP as part of trying to optimize for Atom CPUs.
If you have 25.4.1 installed then you presumably then you presumably have that and not their mainstream release.
The browser is good, but it's not minimalist. It can be made to look minimal but it's a resource hog. If you want a simple and clean browser use something like surf, qutebrowser or Pale Moon.
Software and such
I also think that the Browser should be Pale Moon, it's a Firefox fork :-)
And it should contain the top 20 links a shibe needs: Paperwallets, wallets, /r/dogecoin, tutorials, price and network info and so on
> Is it? That could have really bad effects; I've noticed a lot of companies have built their dumb websites so that they only work on Firefox because all the plugins they require don't work on Chrome etc. It's really annoying.
Pale Moon might be the answer for you. The only platform they don't support right now is MacOS because of a lack of OSX using developers. They have support for Android, Windows, and Linux.
EDIT: New build up for MacOS! Just released a few days ago. Still in early beta but it's good to see signs of life.
It's a standard in itself - I was somewhat exaggerating the point for the sake of clarity.
The full discussion on what's being required and why Pale Moon's developers won't implement it, can be found here: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=5166
Also statements made on this page: https://www.palemoon.org/roadmap.shtml
>Some of these threads are old as 2011 and still ongoing
it is big software, so it may never be fixed. chrome is also closed source, so they are the one who decide which feature to be keep, bug to be fixed and update to released. detailed bug reporting is desired, not easy, not many of can do it.
>I checked my system with a virus scanner and it found nothing.
i suggest you follow /r/techsupport malware removal guide. virus is not the only threat.
>Just today I tried it with FF, no success
have you tried update flash?
i still don't know if firefox use more ram than chrome, but i read somewhere there is a palemoon (fork from firefox) which is faster and lighter (i haven't tried it yet)
well then, happy browsing :D
Yea. They have a profile migration tool if you want to import everything from Firefox including your addons though if all you want is bookmarks then it's probably easier to just export your bookmarks in Firefox and then import the file in Palemoon.
>Doesn't get updates often
Incorrect:
https://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml
>Written mostly by one person.
Incorrect:
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7818
>You have to install old versions of add ons. Many FX add ons just don't work.
Partially correct. Plugins for FF work fine with PM. Extensions that have been written\modified specifically for the Australis interface will probably not work with PM, but many of these extensions were updated only for Australis compatibility, their actually functionality was not changed, so using older versions is not an issue. Further, there are very many current version extensions written for FF that work perfectly on PM and there are quite a few PM specific extensions as well.
You still didn't provide any evidence of your "not secure" claim regarding PM. I think if you do your homework you'll find that PM is very secure, providing security updates on a consistent and timely basis.
PM isn't perfect, no browser is, but I think that you are off-base on your assessment of this program and suggest that you give it an honest try.
IceCat and Iceweasel are nice in theory but getting the Firefox extensions you know and love to run in them is not really feasible.
Pale Moon is what I have been using the last month (since I heard about the FF41 walled garden). There are ports or fine replacements for almost every extension I used on FF. It is very actively developed and has fast support on the #palemoon IRC channel on freenode. http://linux.palemoon.org/
I personally like the Pale Moon project. It has the Firefox interface that I prefer (pre-Australis), has great Firefox add-on compatibility, and offers portable/64-bit versions.
I highly recommend installing NoScript, Encrypted Web (HTTPS Everywhere equivalent that works in Pale Moon), Privacy Badger, uBlock Origin, BetterPrivacy, Random Agent Spoofer, Self-Destructing Cookies, Smart Referer.
The Firefox extension API that allows for deep integration (e.g. NoScript) is an additional reassurance over Chrome/Chromium's. The screening/review process for Firefox add-ons is also more rigorous than Chrome extensions. Also being able to type in about:config in any Firefox-based browser and having full control over basically all browser settings is nice.
Regarding updates, they seem to be consistently at least monthly: https://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml
I use Mint Debian with XFCE on my Aspire One(ZG8) because it was quick and easy at the time and it is fine. Youtube won't play very well at all with flash. I suggest using a Youtube player application instead. Make sure to use Palemoon as a browser or install ublock origin to Firefox and something to stop flash from playing automatically. The bottleneck is the CPU. I have an SSD and upgraded to 2 GiB RAM and it isn't any faster(it does have less swap slowdowns, though).
I am currently working on placing a Porteus ISO on the drive and adding it to GRUB for quick boots.
The ZG8 has an Atom N270 @ 1.6GHz which is very slow. My P4 Machine runs as fast as this netbook.
As long as you don't have graphical eye candy, all the lightweight DEs should be fine. This is a situation where choosing one with less RAM usage may be beneficial.
I just got a security update yesterday. I'm pretty sure they also update the new basic browser features from Firefox's code. Even my plugins are still compatible. Only the layout remains unchanged, which I won't complain about.
For the crash thing, I'd like to try to track it down, but that's one of those nasty bugs that appears rarely enough that you don't know what caused it but often enough to be annoying. I could browse all day long and not even encounter it, so could I see it thrice in a row. Can't really be bothered to switch back to FF anyways. Blame my lazyness on this...
Edit: Their development schedule is voluntarily not as rapid but still relevant concerning most important features.
Release notes: With the last release the "Fuel" components and "Firefox GUID" were restored. I just updated yesterday since I haven't had time to update since June, and all is fine. As always, backup your profile if you may wish to roll back. https://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml
I'm pretty late
https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
Still supports flash!
(though I think you need to download an older version of flash too http://andkon.com/arcade/install\_flash\_player.exe)
Tutorial: How to run Flash in a web browser with just two steps in 2021
1.Download and install Pale Moon 64-bit (a web browser that didn't drop support for Flash): https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml 2.Download and install the most recent version of Flash for Windows that Adobe didn't kill (flashplayer32_0r0_371_win.msi): https://archive.org/download/flashplayer32_0r0_371_win
That's it. You can check to see if it works by clicking "Embed" on a flash from this link using the Pale Moon browser: https://boards.4chan.org/f/
I couldn't find the game on the archived iCarly website, but I found it on this website. Since Flash was discontinued, it won't run in most browsers; I use Pale Moon for these types of games.
You mentioned it also happened when using Chrome.
So we can eliminate Chrome and Chromium browsers try this browser, you can even try it as a portable app so you don't even need to install it.
How do I use this?
Three simple steps:
Download the Pale Moon Portable file (below)
Extract the contents of the file to your USB stick in a folder of your choice (or any folder on your system):
Run the .EXE file and tell it where to unpack (should be an empty or new folder)
Run palemoon-portable.exe (not palemoon.exe) in the location you unpacked to
32bit: https://www.palemoon.org/download.php?mirror=us&bits=32&type=portable
64bit: https://www.palemoon.org/download.php?mirror=us&bits=64&type=portable
install this version of flash - https://archive.org/download/flashplayer_old/flashplayer32_0r0_371_win.exe
and this browser - https://www.palemoon.org/download.php?mirror=us&bits=32&type=portable
and load it up yourself.
"Longer-term we plan to fully deprecate and remove support for the traditional RDF install manifest in favor of a more optimal content description method." (https://www.palemoon.org/roadmap.shtml)
My knowledge about add-ons is very limited. What is this "optimal content description" (OCD) method? How can I convert a RDF into a OCD, to get an add-on installed?
I used to use Edge but then I got memory problems for some reason with only 4 tabs open??? But ever since someone told me about Pale Moon (runs neopet well and lets you play the Flash games with the old plug-in), I've been using that. Some parts like userlookups and SW are kinda wonky but ignorable tbh.
I had accidentally triggered the update to 29.2.0, from the update popup coming up, whilst I was typing a post on another subreddit.
Checking the PM forums, to see if there was a permanent way to cancel the update, I couldn't see a way to do that, but I did learn of a tool that I really should have learned of, far earlier. The Pale Moon Profile Backup Tool - https://www.palemoon.org/backuptool.shtml.
I downloaded the full installer for my currently installed version of PM, then downloaded the backup tool, closed PM, and ran the backup tool to make my profile backup. I'm glad I did stop and think first, instead of running about like a chook with its head cut off. I saw the forum threads.
On permitting PM 29.2.0 to install, more than half the extensions, and the theme I use, were disabled as being not compatible with 29.2.0. I figured, "Stuff that for a joke. I'm flamin' well NOT going to use such a broken browser". Uninstalled PM. Reinstalled the version of PM I'd downloaded as a safeguard, then used the backup tool to restore my PM profile. Worked perfectly. Complete restore to PM working how I want. Then set PM to never check for updates.
Q: Now what was done wrong by PM in this update?
A: On clicking on the Update, failing to redirect users to the page for The Pale Moon Profile Backup Tool, with a clear warning to download and run the tool before doing the update.
Failing to code a check in the update, to see if a user has a profile backup made, before permitting this update to proceed.
You are not talking specific enough, so I'm gonna comment generally.
• I am assuming you are using Windows.
• If your system isn't Windows 7 or above, you can't use it.
• If your system is 32-bit, you may have downloaded 64-bit version which won't work. Try this link if that's the case.
If you can tell me the exact steps you took, the links you've tried and the exact error you've got and who gave the error (like windows, chrome, smart screen etc) I could help better.
> Yeah, it did.
Are you serious?
https://www.palemoon.org/roadmap.shtml
https://bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/
> So what? Wait for the next update. It will be gone.
Maybe you're right. I don't know.
> Only idiots who haven't a clue how to code would continue to include it.
Are you aware that most of the people who developed Flash games are no longer developers, have no interest in porting games to HTML5, or are literally fucking dead?
> Nope. Completely incorrect. It is gone and will be removed from all software.
See the websites I linked above. Pale Moon is a browser which has specifically stated they will not be ending Flash support.
> It will not and cannot be supported by any product as there is zero support from the manufacturer Adobe.
Look at Ruffle. It is a Flash emulator written in Rust.
> There will be zero security updates for the already numerous dangerous and ever-present security holes in Adobe Flash. It has been an unmitigated pile of garbage for more than 14 years
Looking at your own post history,
> Take your pick: features, OR solid security.
I pick features.
> Every decent browser has already switched to open standard HTML5, which has already replaced Adobe Flash and rightfully so, and with much better secuirty
See what I said above about Flash developers.
It looks like it'll be
- Download Palemoon browser and
- yet to be determined version of Flash that does not have the timebomb (or reset computer's clock every time you play Flash)
I just got in the door, and trying to charge the iPad. Not lost per say, this is the first time I am hearing about the website as it was put in the home screen of Pale Moon Browser.
lack of innovation at a time a faster and lighter alternative was emerging (Chrome)
lot of complains about firefox performance and stability back in the days, and lack of will from mozilla to improve the situation
instead they decided to increase their pay and standard of living while ignoring the complains
result = it's dead
only blind/fanboiz and clueless people left.. they are sold to google via mozilla's contract btw ;)
your options? fork firefox (https://www.palemoon.org/) or switch to chromium
Personally I can't stand the amount of BS chrome runs to data mine you. No browser needs to use that many system resources. FF being open source code, if you strip the Mozilla spyware out you end up with Palemoon, which is what I prefer to use. Add the plugin No Script, and you're all set. No ones paying you anything, but you can surf in peace and with privacy.
All of these essentially exist
- Firefox - Firefox (also firefox is already open source)
- Waterfox - Waterfox it doesn't particularly fit the description (more privacy focused than simplified) but it's litterally named waterfox
- Airfox - palemoon I believe this is a more optimised Firefox based on an older version but I'm not very familiar with it
- Earthfox - Firefox developer edition is basically exactly your description of earthfox
I'm not saying you're wrong as I don't have the knowledge to counter-argue your points, which I must say for the most part seem logical, but I do have a problem with you recommending Pale Moon.
You say we shouldn't should Chrome or chrome derivatives in addition to Firefox. But you're recommending a Firefox fork? Why is Chrome forks out of the question, in addition to Firefox, but Firefox forks is ok?
Firefox was the best free browser, but it's bloated and compromised these days.
A good alternative recommendation is Pale Moon.
https://www.palemoon.org
It's not as feature rich which can be a positive, depending on what you want in a browser. I prefer it, and it's closer to how Firefox was before selling out.
You have attempted to install a legacy extension and not a WebExtension. Legacy extensions were the ones that could highly customize the look of Firefox.
Legacy extensions aren't supported in Firefox 57 (11/14/2017) or later. All legacy extensions have been removed from addons.mozilla.org since then, so the earliest version you see on addons.mozilla.org (3.4.57 in this case) is most likely the first WebExtension version.
If you'd like to continue using legacy extensions, Pale Moon is the best choice. I believe that it is the only currently developed stable browser supporting legacy extensions, and their roadmap promises that it will continue to support legacy extensions forever.
^(Notes about other browsers: You might have heard of) ^(Basilisk)^(, but it) ^(is a development browser) ^(and is not recommended for everyday use. You also might have heard of) ^(Waterfox)^(, but it) ^(doesn't appear to support legacy extensions anymore.)
(On linux) there are a few more choices, with tradeoffs in features.
https://www.palemoon.org/ has no webassembly
https://www.midori-browser.org/ not sure on this one, is the default on the raspi though.
> Pale Moon(no sandbox Firefox
Don't believe in uninformed FUD spread by Firefox fanboys. Even Firefox had a different kind of sandboxing before Electrolysis:
> has 1873 CVEs and Firefox has 1873 CVEs
Since Firefox has had many refactorings, not all security vulnerabilities affect both browsers: https://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml
I'm not sure if I've heard it it before but the logo looks familiar. Thanks definitely will check it out. I used to use palemoon a while ago, a derivation of Firefox which aimed on being lighter weight and efficient https://www.palemoon.org/
>Pale Moon is an Open Source, Goanna-based web browser available for Microsoft Windows and Linux (with other operating systems in development), focusing on efficiency and customization. Make sure to get the most out of your browser!
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>Pale Moon offers you a browsing experience in a browser completely built from its own, independently developed source that has been forked off from Firefox/Mozilla code a number of years ago,
Source: The developers themselves
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The only person spreading "fud" is you.
I initially dismissed it since it seemed dead, the most recent build I found was from January 2019, but having just dug a bit deeper, there is a new test build from Apr 4, 2020 not linked on their download page: http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,148500
Looks like they've gone all-in on Goanna (a Gecko fork), which is also used for the Pale Moon Browser, another one you could check out.
Report back on how either of those do on your laptop?
I also like the old Firefox before Quantum and these are even better:
basilisk from https://www.basilisk-browser.org palemoon from https://www.palemoon.org waterfox-classic from https://www.waterfox.net
> 3. I would avoid offshoots like Pale Moon and Icecat. If a flaw is discovered, you don't want to be waiting for a fix to make its way to you.
Uniformed FUD.
That's okay, I wasn't calling you out or anything :)
It is hard to full avoid tracking, especially with all the 'utm_source' garbage parameters they tack on. I use Pure URL, an extension for Pale Moon ported from Firefox , that automatically strips these parameters from URLs, and unlike the Firefox version, lets you actually configure the parameters to remove.
Neither. Ungoogled Chromium doesn't send any data but is still dependent on Chromium, whose ad blocking abilities will soon be whittled away by Google.
Firefox already spies on you as shown below, and Mozilla are massive hypocrites.
Pale Moon is the only truly independent browser today, neither backed by a datagrubbing mega corporation nor dependent on one for source code changes, it was forked off from Firefox and follows its own path today. It has no telemetry, no unwanted integration with 3rd party services and no tracking built in.
It retains the desktop user friendly interface of Firefox 3 and retains the full customization that Firefox used to have and started removing beginning with the Australis UI update. It retains compatibility with XUL addons that Mozilla removed in 2017 (there are still tons of them that continue to work with it) and has its own growing set of exclusive addons and complete themes.
Don't fall for the bullshit spread around by Mozilla shills about it being 'insecure' or 'just a fork' or 'obsolete'. That way Firefox is also 'just a fork' of Mozilla Suite from 2001 but you don't hear anyone complaining.
Anyway, you can read this exhaustive comparison of different browsers including these 3.
It's a fork of Firefox. It's a modern version of how Firefox used to be before they stopped listening to their users.
320 tabs, all open, 9GB Memory. How many tabs do you need to have open to use 20GB? I think you have a garbage collection problem. Pale Moon garbage collection (cleaning up memory allocation) is very good.
>Please, show me the well-kept browser that lacks these things
Welcome to Pale Moon. Forked from pre Australis Firefox and following its own independent development for the last several years, and constantly pissed upon by Firefox shills who can't stand that there's an independent browser that isn't a Chrome fork or run by a giant corporation. Has zero telemetry, retains the full customizabilty and compatibility with XUL extensions (has plenty of its own as well), and actually holds itself to the values that Mozilla claims to have but doesn't anymore.
And don't fall for the FUD and bullshit about it being 'obsolete', 'insecure' or a 'rebuild' (it is a hard fork, and up to date with web standards and security patches).
Sorry to say that, but with 4 windows and a total of 20 tabs, nearly 4 GB of RAMs is what you will have to expect these days from mainstream browsers.
As windows consume more resources than tabs, opening those 20 tabs in just one or two windows could help.
>Closed a bunch, Firefox is still hogging ~3GB.
That is indeed a nuisance. Firefox does not release memory easily, so only closing and reopening will help reliably.
> and I'm not sure where I can move to anymore.
Pretty much the only viable forks left are Palemoon and Waterfox.
>Chromium, which is what Brave is based on far as I understand, is already approaching monopoly status on the web.
And if we want more diversity, we should support Pale Moon as well. 100% FOSS and independent browser. It isn't using Gecko or Blink, it uses Goanna.
Pale Moon's future roadmap (website) - https://www.palemoon.org/roadmap.shtml
>IceCat is Linux only unless you want to compile it for Windows.
Why would someone want to use a FOSS browser on a proprietary, privacy-unfriendly OS in the first place?
>And PM is shitty, based on an old firefox and breaks nearly half of the internet.
I works great for me. It looks old-style but it's actively maintaned and up to date. What I love about Pale Moon is that they are independent, they don't depend on FF or Chromium or anything. This is really great!
FYI - Brave uses the Google Chrome engine and doesn't apply ungoogled-chromium patches which limit Google spying. You're better off with PaleMoon if you want to avoid Google and Mozilla.
All of "today's" browser's do not care about their memory usage much as of Edge, FF Quantum or any Chrome clone including Opera. And their memory usage increases in the previous order as you open more and more tabs to isolate instances and other stuff.
What you can do is if RAM is the issue (since Chrome take advantage of CPU more better than others) use any "old" Firefox releases or forks of it as they are far better at memory management (comes with cost of speed) and have always the smaller memory footprint compared to today's ones. This is also due to the fact that older software was adapt to use less RAM because it was expensive back then when they were released which not applies to today's browsers expecting 16gb as standard.
One good suggestion came from DMT_Father as Palemoon which is a FF Fork which still use addons instead of extensions. So what I suggest is to try not Quantum version (older) of Firefox > or Palemoon > or K-Meleon which is the oldest fork. As you go older, speed decreases as with memory consumption
One other suggestion can be using Steam Client as browser as it's Chromium (base of Chrome) with no bloat on it. Add -console to Steam shortcut and enable "Show Adress Bar" from settings and you can browse all you want while gaming using Steam Overlay.
points at Pale Moon
It forked from Firefox before the interface changed to look so much like Chrome - which is about the time that I realised that Mozilla had no interest in listening to their customers, and moved to Pale Moon 100%. It was easy then, as Firefox hadn't moved to WebExtensions yet.
So here's an initially dismaying fact about PM. In November of last year, PM had just released version 27. Just last month they released version 27.6. But this is a bit deceptive because if you look at the archived release notes (https://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes-archived.shtml) you can see that PM has actually been updated pretty regularly. So maybe MoonChild just doesn't see the need to be all about version 27 to 28 to 29 in order to market the browser like PM and Chrome do. Or something. IDK
> Ideally I'm looking for something that uses as little resources as possible while still displaying most modern webpages.
From personal experience, testing, using: That would be Palemoon. Next up would be Opera. I have a bunch of other browsers loaded - from text-based to UI-questionable implementations.
Palemoon provides remarkably good rendering and does a good job on most videos. It lacks many extensions but uBlock Origin works. If you have 1gb on your netbook, Palemoon is going to save you. No browser, I've worked with, that's as capable of delivery today's web even approaches Palemoon's low-memory footprint.
Opera is a bit heavier but more modern with great extension support. Interestingly... Palemoon often does a better job at videos, even animated gifs at imgur. I use Opera because of the extensions and occasionally hit Palemoon for some troublesome videos.
I had to go this route because my own equipment is low-end (older duo core cpu, mechanical drive, 3gbs ram). Firefox, Chromium, Vivaldi and a host of others simply taxed my system too much. Palemoon/Opera have brought back the snappiness it had.
Shopping for a modern computer but until then, I'm sticking with these two.
Sounds like it's still having issues with the font cache. Usually you end up waiting awhile while it hashes the fonts, then works fine after the initial run. Was hoping they (webkit) would fix that, sigh.
I could throw other browsers at you, but there is a decent listing at wikipedia, Comparison of lightweight web browsers. I've experience with Pale Moon, which is a fork off of FF4, but I'm not sure if it would be light enough. Maybe worth a shot though.
Pale Moon also supports uBlock Origin, and can play Youtube videos.
Speaking of Youtube, Newpipe and Skytube are great for viewing/saving YT videos and blocking ads, but you have to get them through fdroid.
Pale Moon, a fork of Firefox (a true fork I should mention, like LibreOffice is to OpenOffice, not simply a modified version like Cyberfox is).
I would not recommend Pale Moon for "average Joes" until the upcoming version 27 is released (currently at Alpha 2, though a beta version is close) since it'll add quite a bit of missing behind-the-scenes functionality used in newer websites that are supported by other major browsers.
For reference, other browsers that support VP9 software decoding are your typical Chrome, Firefox, and Opera.
>Na reprodução de vídeos já me aconteceu só conseguir abrir com o chrome
Não sei o que aconteceu, mas se calhar não tinhas instalado algum plugin necessário para a reprodução do vídeo no browser em questão. De qualquer forma, não recomendaria o Opera. Se é para mudar, recomendo o Firefox ou uma duas suas derivações como o Pale Moon. Existem mais, mas já não me lembro.
>Fire fox will always be around. There'll always be one stubborn Linux user updating the source for it. It just won't be under Mozilla.
We already have that: Pale Moon.
And while it is fully functional, it sucks. It kept eating up memory after running for a few days. I tried on Windows. On Linux. 32 bit. 64 bit. All had that problem.
/r/waterfox is the official subreddit for it.
Other Firefox forks include Palemoon, Cyberfox, and the most common Iceweasel. Palemoon and Cyberfox focus on 64 bit, Iceweasel is basically just a rebranded firefox with other changes such as security backporting. So if you need to use an old version of Firefox (corporate world or something) you're better off using Iceweasel. Although I do not recommend using an older version of a browser for common web browsing.
I didn't know Chrome's beta was 64 bit but their stable is 32bit. IE's 64 bit used to discourage you from using it because of plugin compatibility. I guess this isn't the case anymore.
The Palemoon site says it is mainly plugin comparability.
Thanks, haven't heard of that before. I guess I'll give it a try.
I use Pale Moon occasionally and it generally works better than vanilla Firefox, but I've had compatibility issues with extensions.