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There's a website that condenses huge TOS's for popular services down into plain language: https://tosdr.org/
It also gives them a letter grade (A-E), based on how fair the TOS is to the user. DuckDuckGo gets an A, Wikipedia gets a B, PornHub gets a D, Reddit gets an E.
Pointing to https://tosdr.org/ is a good idea (to get the ideia).
Example of Dropbox:
> This service can share your personal information to third parties
I believe there's a chrome extension that will summarize it for you.
It's called Terms of Service; Didn't Read.
I'm not sure how extensive it is, but it's a very cool app and novel idea.
Might want to take a look at https://tosdr.org/
> “Terms of Service; Didn't Read” (short: ToS;DR) is a young project started in June 2012 to help fix the “biggest lie on the web”: almost no one really reads the terms of service we agree to all the time.
Just use tosdr.
tbh, you shouldn't just click through without checking there first because companies have been known to hide stuff in the terms and conditions. You could win $10,000 or you could have committed to 1000 hours of community service. Both these things actually happened.
Have a bit of knowledge so you can't make the "didn't read" excuse ever again:
Frontpage -- ToS;DR - Terms of Service; Didn't Read
This website condenses terms and services down to the important things with little legalese involved.
Just to be clear, these are human-reviewed and graded (as opposed to the magic of robots and electron gnomes):
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Terms of service are reviewed by contributors and divided into small points that we can discuss, compare and ultimately assign a score
Since we are looking at ToS here i think this website deserves an honorable mention. It's basically a website that makes TL:DRs for ToS though it seems some of the rating may be outdated.
Maybe some of the more lingo-savvy people among us can help update their ratings? It does seem like a good resource for privacy-minded people after all.
It's unreasonable to expect people to read every single EULA for every single product/service they use.
They can take 10-20 minutes to read if you skim them, and most of them are the same. Imagine actually sitting down and reading the terms of service for every website, every app, every product you plan to use.
Don't worry, somebody already tried.
tosdr.org is a great way to find out what a websites terms are at a glance. The real tl;dr is most companies are taking whatever data you put in and using it however they want.
Companies and people scoff at regulations like GDPR but there is absolutely no accountability with the data being gathered and how it's being used, as we saw with shit like Facebook and Equifax. Nobody fucking cares because nobody gets punished for it.
It's probably best to actually read them, but I really like using this site where they essentially provide you a TL;DR of terms & conditions from popular websites. They also grade sites on how shady their terms may be.
On profite de ce poteau et donc des discussions qui s'ensuivent sur les TOS de Blizzard pour partager ce super site. Il résume les clauses importantes et dangereuses de beaucoup de services et d'entreprises. Notez bien que toutes les clauses des TOS ne sont pas légales pour autant.
No. Spotify = 11 Trackers and 24 Requested permissions... SoundCloud fairs slightly better, and apparently has a better TOS. I don't use steaming services so there might be something slightly better then these with regards to privacy.
Many websites make you waive your moral rights for example. I'd recommend going to tos:dr. They have compiled all of the important points and given ratings to most big web services.
Then this website is for you and us all.
tl;dr: they aim to make the TOS understandable for people who don‘t want to spend an eternity reading those texts
Spread the word :)
Hey sorry for hijacking your comment to get visibility, but if you (or anyone) wants, please check this site, which is also available as a browser extension terms of service; didn't read
It shows a comprehensive summary and ranks many popular websites by their tos. Even for the sites which don't have a ranking, you can still read the concise summary of tos to make up your own mind.
> You access the app through OAuth 2.0, and it runs locally on your device. The only thing you’re telling us is the status of your accounts. -- deseat.me
This method for accessing accounts between services is the best of which I'm aware. Before confirming an OAuth connection there should be a prompt from whichever service describing which action(s) you're approving, and the service should have a way to manage such connections.
Privacy policies are another matter. I've used TOSdr in the past. But Deseat's policy has yet to be rated as of a moment ago.
Because it's a legal document in a sense. There cannot be "laymen" yes or no... Because that means it wouldn't be clear in court.
However, there are a few sites like https://tosdr.org/ that can make it a little easier.
u/40087812 has me reading through "extension policies" for unis because I need to know the answer..
Terms Of Service- Didn't Read an amazing website.. I hate that you need a law degree to read terms & conditions now a days
Another website, but Steam isn't no.1 either, if you know what i mean: https://tosdr.org/de/service/180
Unfortunately Epic wasn't ranked on this site and Steam wasn't ranked on the OP page, so comparing is a bit hard :)
I used the website: https://tosdr.org/en/frontpage it has a ton of information on different websites and gives them a grade based on website terms & privacy policies.
https://tosdr.org if you dont want to read a 300 page novel about how your personal details are getting sold for 5 bucks but still want to know what they’re doing with your info when you hit the accept button
Funny, looks like you haven't actually read that website since it completely says otherwise.
Imgur & Facebook don't "reserve "the right" to use your photos as they see for what they want without paying or even acknowledging you.".
They need certain rights from you so that they can up-/download your pics to and from servers. A lot of people simply don't understand TOS lingo and automatically assume the worst.
I can't think of a single social media site, or cloud service, that will use your uploaded images for commercial use.
Imagine the backlash if that happened. They would be out of business within a week so no site is stupid enough to even contemplate it.
Ah crap. There is a website that does this, ~~but I can't think of it now and its bookmark is saved only on my PC at home. You might be able to find by googling it. Otherwise I'll try to remember to update this post once I get home later this afternoon.~~
Edit: I found it!! The site is called "Terms of Service; Didn't Read" at https://tosdr.org
It summarizes terms of service from tons of different organizations and highlights the important points and those relating to privacy. It's a great reference. It's not a sub, but it's the best resource I know of for this particular request.
Edit 2: thanks for the gold, /u/FamouslyAmos00!
Have you all seen the "Terms of Service Didn't Read" data for this site? If you don't have this browser plug its pretty eye opening. Per https://tosdr.org/
TD;LR - do not speedtest DOT net
Just a few:
Grade: E
They store data on you even if you did not interact with the service.
Content you post may be edited by the service for any reason.
This service can view your browser history.
Specific content can be deleted without reason and may be removed without prior notice.
The service may collect, use, and share location data.
This service shares your personal data with third parties that are not involved in this operation.
Terms may be changed any time at their discretion, without notice to you.
*You agree to defend, indemnify, and hold the service harmless in case of a claim related to your use of the service*. - like wtf!
This service tracks you on other websites.
This service ignore the Do Not Track (DNT) header and track users anyway even if they set this header.
Your account can be deleted without prior notice and without a reason.
This service reserves the right to disclose your personal information without notifying you.
This service can sell or otherwise transfer your personal data as part of a bankruptcy proceeding or other type of financial transaction.
This service gathers information about you through third parties.
.... and that.s not even half of the list. Don't use that site.
True story (not sure why you've gotten down voted for it) most of those TOS agreements allow the social media company to retain the rights to your photos. Check out, for more details.
The data is fetched from a Website/service called (unsurprisingly: Terms of Service; Didn't Read. The idea is crowd-sourced rating of various Website's terms of service, as well as seeing diffs of changes, and interpretation of those changes, in those terms.
Coverage is not great but as an open project, you can contribute!
Actually, technically not the EULA but the Terms of service, which Terms of Service, Didn't Read does a quick rundown of. The first bullet point, and the major issue, is indeed that
> You give us permission to use your name and profile picture and information about actions you have taken on Facebook next to or in connection with ads, offers, and other sponsored content that we display across our Products, without any compensation to you.
So, yeah, unfortunately.
Apple's marketing have been harmful on the privacy community.
iOS is proprietary software, which means that you can't check or modify the source code. That means that Apple can be potentially spying on you without anyone knowing it.
Anyway, it has been proved that Apple spy on their users.
You may like to read their Terms of Service. They legally recognize that they sell their users data. Here's a human readable summary: https://tosdr.org/en/service/158
Some quotes:
"This service may collect, use, and share location data"
"Many different types of personal data are collected"
"The service may use tracking pixels, web beacons, browser fingerprinting, and/or device fingerprinting on users"
"Voice data is collected and shared with third-parties"
"This service tracks which web page referred you to it"
"This service may use your personal information for marketing purposes"
"Your personal data is used for advertising"
"Tracking pixels are used in service-to-user communication"
I remind you that this is directly extracted from Apple's privacy policy.
I'd also suggest reading this article made by a security researcher: https://gist.github.com/iosecure/357e724811fe04167332ef54e736670d
Looks like basic stuff to me.
I don’t actually use any of their apps, nor iCloud, and actively block trackers.
There’s nothing here outside of generic website cookie tracking and third party disclosure. Also - there’s nothing to say that they actively siphon data off your phone to share with third parties. None of this actually applies if you’re not using their services.
And actually their data retention and rights for deletion are better than Googles.
It's not about data disappearing, it's about data being leaked. It's also simply the fact that this data is being stored by a company where you have no idea what sort of analysis they're doing with your data. Of course, unless you read the long and intentionally obfuscated terms of service, which explains a lot.
Take a look at https://tosdr.org/ or, even better, check out the documentary Terms and Conditions May Apply - trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzyafieRcWE
My thoughts? "Exciting time in the world right now. Exciting time."
https://tosdr.org/ Best thing I've found while researching a response to a comment
Keep in mind, to read every privacy policy you encounter in an average year would take a minimum of 25 days of reading (average time of 10 minutes per policy)
Tos is even worse, Microsoft clocks in at a full hour to read in its entirety. Over 15000 words, I bet it would take a lot of people longer considering how legal documents are written.
I have at least 100 apps on my phone, if each averages close to 30 minutes to read their tos id have to spend close to two days reading those.
No one has time for that nonsense
Shout out to the people trying to make it easy to know what you’re agreeing to: ToS;DR! They summarize the ToS for common services and let you know things you’re signing off on that you may not have noticed before. They have one on Reddit. It’s kinda eye opening.
tosdr.org is a great way to find out what a websites terms are at a glance. The real tl;dr is most companies are taking whatever data you put in and using it however they want.
Companies and people scoff at regulations like GDPR but there is absolutely no accountability with the data being gathered and how it's being used, as we saw with shit like Facebook and Equifax. Nobody fucking cares because nobody gets punished for it.
The copyright stays with you regardless (at least on github, dropbox used to claim the rights in their ToS), so they didn't buy it in that sense.
edit: they can suspend or delete your code though [0]
Yeah if you read the terms and conditions they record sound or video at any given time so they can see what brands do you use and show you ads on your feed. You can learn more about it here.
have a look at this in facebooks's TC https://tosdr.org/#facebook * Facebook uses your data for many purposes * The Android app can record sound & video from your phone, at any time, without your consent
I mean why?
Runner-Up Top Silver Awarded
What useful unknown website do you wish more people knew about? >Terms of Service, Didn’t Read summarizes terms of service and rates them for privacy.
20 silver awards · /u/Jeramy_Jones on /r/AskReddit · Context
"The Android app can record sound & video from your phone, at any time, without your consent
When installing the Facebook app on an Android phone, it allows access to the audio record path and to take pictures with the camera. This allows the application at any time to collect images the camera is seeing."
Was going to link this! And good to know: the project has been stalling for a while, but they're getting it up to speed again, and are looking for more people to get involved.
For those interested, see here.
No, they make it unreadable because it's legally binding and has to hold up in court if need be.
By the way, there initiatives like https://tosdr.org/ that grade them much the same way food products are in Europe. Could indeed make it law, but considering how global the internet is I imagine that would risk turning Europe into an intranet overnight.
Penso che quando un utente si iscrive al servizio acconsente anche al fatto che il buon Mark può cancellare cose a suo piacimento
Qua ci sono un po di termini di servizio dei siti più famosi https://tosdr.org/
Why would I downvote you? I work in IT too, currently doing database management for big hotel chains.
Facebook makes nearly all of it's money off of neatly packaging personal information and selling that to companies in the form of those 'ad spots' you already mentioned.
I mean we could argue about how much and of what, but that is how they make their money.
As for why they would sell it? I would recommend you to their public trading value. It makes them a lot of money, and it turns out most people don't care if a company knows what they browse, where they are, who they talk to, etc.
Here's some good info on facebook's practices for the uninitiated:
This service uses cookies to track you even if you are not interacting with them directly. Amazon for instance, use cookies to track your device and serve targeted advertisements on other websites (Amazon associates, websites using Amazon Checkout). They “obtain certain types of information when your Web browser accesses Amazon.com or advertisements and other content served by or on behalf of Amazon.com on other Web sites”.
Facebook automatically shares your information with Bing, Pandora, TripAdvisor, Yelp, Rotten Tomatoes, Clicker, Scribd, and Docs, unless you manually opt-out.
Facebook uses your data for many purposes, such as: data analysis, testing, service improvement, control of the effectiveness of the personal ads, and location features and services.
When installing the Facebook app on an Android phone, it allows access to the audio record path and to take pictures with the camera. This allows the application at any time to collect images the camera is seeing.
I'm not saying facebook is some giant nefarious company, I just thought it was pretty well known that they make the bulk of their income from personal-information based ad-revenue.
> You allow Facebook to use your data, but they explicitly state that you maintain the ownership yourself.
> [T]he copyright license does not end when you stop using the service unless your content has been deleted by everyone else
So yeah, the photos are still yours and if you don't share them you can remove them at any time and Facebook can't use them any more.
LinkedIn has permission to claim anything you share on their network and change it, share it or profit from it.
Edit: I advice everyone to check out this extension. They rate and label website terms and privacy policies, from very good Class A to very bad Class E.
>Mod descriptions are intended to be read and don't have a bunch of legal jargon.
Do I really need to read every texture mod I install when all they're doing is replacing a few swords or brooms? I don't think so.
Descriptions are important for complex installations like Perkus Maximus, ASIS or anything with it's own installer/updater, but most mods don't come with BAIN installers or anything other than a few esps/bsas/folders.
Like online agreements people can't be assed wasting time reading the same info. Unlike online agreements you can't be fucked over legally by the small print so it encourages people to ignore and spam useless questions.
In regards to the OP and your comment though people who ask questions before reading the description are probably lazy, more often than not.
On a slightly related note, just use https://tosdr.org/ for ToS because whilst 99% of the jargon is the same you don't want to be fucked by the 1%.
I can see this playing out a few ways.
more and more security breaches, like Volkswagen, Lenovo, NSA in general. people learning that open source is essentially being able to inspect the blueprint of a building. We wouldn't grant building permits without plans, so we should not accept software without source code. (It's an uphill battle, I concede.)
people continue clicking through Terms Of Service without realizing what they're giving up. companies keeping a stranglehold on apps and operating systems continues to be the norm. open source retains niche success where its performance dominates.
more and more weirdness with "big data." facebook, google, even relatively small players like target, best buy, bed bath and beyond, anywhere you have shoppers' cards tracking buying purchases. essentially new vulnerabilities emerge due to growing complexity. <-- this is pretty inevitable imo. especially if this god damn "internet of things" gains any traction . . . having sensors fucking everywhere with homebrewed/no security
lots more
essentially yes, it continues to be pretty important to retain control of what's running on our machines. the way "day to day" life, especially business, depends on cloud services (gmail, online banking, dropbox, craigslist, ebay, amazon) is what I perceive as the largest threat to free software, because "x as a service" obscures any details about hardware and software. the open source debate is actually pushed to the background. thankfully we're collectively waking up to risks of how cloud providers are handling our data.
Deleted videos are not really deleted
“Youtube may retain, but not display, distribute or perform, services copies of your content that you have removed or deleted. ”
The problem is that most of humans are morons. Sharing pictures of naked toddlers, answering to questions "where do I leave my bag once I'm entering my home", publishing images of a new credit card on social media accounts (yeah - both sides of the ccard) and so on. They have no clue what's in T&C and they really believe that adding silly statement like this one from the article will solve that problem.
We can add another legislation and then yet another but homo sapiens sheep don't care. The very same way as the real sheep.
We can require by law to add to T&C some kind of Joe Bloggs friendly TL;DR version, like in this service. I think there is something similar when you're got a loan documents to sign up. But you can't physically prevent adult person to walk naked on M50, drink 3 litres of sodium hypochlorite solution or swallow some pill bought in night club from a random fella.
You can teach them however that such activities will hurt them or even kill them.
Education. Kids with smartphones installing applications with wide range of privileges - that can be covered and explained in primary school. Teach them to think and let them make conscious decisions.
Unfortunately I understand that conscious citizen, able to think, diverse news sources and ask questions is not the top priority for most of the politicians :)
EDIT: Typos, wording
There is a service called ToSDR, where people reads the terms of services of services and summarizes them. It' pretty neat.
Here is the one for pCloud: https://tosdr.org/en/service/2429
According to this site Facebook never really deletes your information which I find creepy
Don’t sign up to new apps with a Facebook login....they’re creating a huge network of data on you that we have no idea what they’re doing with
Not an answer, but ysk there's an extension that grades websites for how bad their terms of service are and summarizes their terms of service. It's called Terms of Service; Didn't Read. Reddit (the page I'm on now) gets an E (bad). Duckduckgo has an A. Google sheets gets a C. That's just the tabs I have open now.
Not really. There is no algorithmic way of checking if a website is GPRD compliant, simply because GPRD compliant =/= no tracking. Being GPRD compliant means that what's in your privacy policy (which is also how you handle your users personam data) is authorised by GPRD. Thus, to verify if a website is GPRD compliant, you'd need to analyze it's TOS and privacy policy, which is different to each website and has a different way of being written on each website. For that reason, it's simply not possible to use a static algorithm to check if a website is GPRD complient. This leaves us with 2 choices:
Using an AI (like prisbot), but it's not perfect because it will output result like "I'm 73% sure that this website is GPRD compliant", and it can make some mistake, and it shouldn't be considered as right. Plus, this would take much time to train, including for each GPRD update.
Manual checking (like tosdr), it would be reliable, but it's very long to do (just look at tosdr's number of checked websites, it's fairly small) and thus you wouldn't have many websites. Of course, this way might be great for newbies in big sites, but you'd already have an idea if this website is GPRD compliant or not. And the issue is the same as AI, the work should be redone entirely each time the GPRD is modified.
In the end, your best bet would be to install privacy protective extension which have a large range of website in their list of blocking and work out with that.
TL;DR: Algorithmic way is impossible, AI is unreliable, manual way is too long.
That doesn't make sense. Surly the point of a TL;DR is that is summarises what you say in the body text. So there's a bullet point saying * don't be a dick then later in the text it says in the context of this agreement, being a dick is defined to be: 1. Infringing copyrights...
Of course the TL;DR should be accurate, it shouldn't say they will host your content then later redefine 'host' to mean 'hold copyright and sell to anyone we like'.
Even better would be if an independent group did this, and named it something like TOS;DR.
So a really neat website I've always used when downloading apps or signing up on a new website is this page called Terms of Service Didn't Read (tosdr.org). It's really neat, but you can punch in the name of whatever you signed up for and it gives it a grade on the level of privacy and sums of the Terms of Service agreements that we all don't read. I think I found this through a tiktok or maybe it was back when Stumble Upon was still big? Not sure be def. check it out.
https://tosdr.org/ is giving you a TL;DR of the Terms of Service of popular websites, because no one wants to read these, but we should know what we are agreeing to... They also have an add-on/extension.
Also https://privacybadger.org/ will help you improve your online privacy (though it alone isn't enough, it is a pretty good tool made by the EFF).
You're wrong because in the ToS (which we all agreed to) they say they can store it for however long they want. Even after "deleting" your account. You can read more about it here: https://tosdr.org/en/service/536
Companies selling your data to others. And long EULA's that no one reads.
https://tosdr.org/ - Terms of Service Didn't Read breakdown on some of the most popular websites TOS
Except that isn’t true???
“Your personal data is not sold” by tosdr.org, a website that classifies and rates every terms and service
As mentioned there, stated in Apple’s website:
> Apple does not sell personal information, and personal information will never be shared with third parties for their marketing purposes.
-Privacy Policy
>I deleted the Instagram app and am using it solely through the browser now. Besides the cookies, what data does it collect from my phone (I haven't given the Instagram website any extra permissions besides the ones Safari itself needs)
>I am using the Oculus app on the phone as it is needed for my Quest. I was wondering which data this app actually collects from my phone and what permissions I could easily take away without being hindered too much.
Possibly unrelated,but the main Oculus site has this privacy policy,where they explain how much data they collect from those who use its services.
https://tosdr.org for those who worry a little about this but don't have much time to read. There was another site that had tables on it comparing several sites too but I can't remember.
Go read their terms of services really close. I'm in the large majority and didn't, so I just used tosdr.org.
>Terms may be changed any time at their discretion, without notice to the user
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>Only aggregate data is given to third parties
and now according to a fun fact I learnt today.....
By submitting user content to reddit, you grant us a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide license to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute copies, perform, or publicly display your user content in any medium and for any purpose, including commercial purposes, and to authorize others to do so. Terms of Service; Didn't Read (edited to fix link!)
I'll take this occasion to shamelessly plug https://tosdr.org/. It covers the lengthy documents (TOS/privacy policy/etc.) in several easy to understand bullet points signaling whether it's good or bad and it gives an overall rating.
Check it if you're registering for any service - it'll help you determine whether you actually want to agree to their terms.
Good to note first that each ToS is different, but if I understand from my knowledge (this is based in US ToS/law FYI) there are several recurring elements - a big overarching theme and the main purpose is to protect from allowing a player to engage in illegal activity and prevent the player from suing the company that made the app/game.
Common ones would be you attest you are over the legal age we can allow kids to play this at, you take full responsibility for any damages as a result of the game, we collect x y and z types of data and use it for these purposes, you agree to not illegally sell or modify this game to sell, and then microtransactions add a whole buncha new monetary contract mainstays like how/if money will be returned, if you agree to do a transaction you have to actually owe us the money, etc. Etc. Etc.
A big part of the job of lawyers who look those over to publish and one would argue one of their most important job functions is to understand all the hundreds of ways a player could think to sue the company or the company could get in legal hot water because some user is lower than the legal age etc. - to be very honest, while these agreements do have a reason they are made, historically the company can't always rely on the ToS to save their butts in a lawsuit because you can't cover literally everything and sometimes they try to cover stuff that they legally cannot because it will scare people who want to make a lawsuit.
You may be interested in ToS - Didn't Read an initiative that takes long ToS and breaks them down simply!
If you're interested, install a Chrome plug-in called Ghostery. It will tell you exactly how many trackers exist on every page you visit. The Blockchain home page has three trackers operating in the background: Facebook Connect, Google Analytics and something else called Polyfill. This is fairly average, but some sites are horrendous. You can block whatever trackers you like.
Also visit this: https://tosdr.org/ scare yo'self more
I'll bet you a dollar their corporate attorney wouldn't know everything in it without studying it first.
That's not a knock against Ring - it's the case with every EULA and ToS document everywhere.
Saw this on another post and I'd like to share it with you all. It's Terms Of Service, Didn't Read. It will TLDR a company's terms of service. I haven't had Facebook in years but it's nice to know they're still tracking me somehow.
I think it is dishonest, but we can disagree. Its fine. I like what craptcha said and also a great username.
There's a reason websites like https://tosdr.org/ exist. If you have time to read every contract, every TOS, all the fine print then, well, I don't know what to say. How nice for you, I guess. Me, I gotta work, and depend on those partnerships to help us, not hurt us. I won't do business with a company that would do this, this 'milk the cow'.
> I remember there used to be a website that had easy explanations of EULAs and kept track of their changes.
https://tosdr.org ?
There doesn't seem to be a current version of the iCloud terms though.
I mean, it's been a few years, but I absolutely did when I ran a gaming channel in the infancy of ps3 trophies and getting paid was starting to be an option for uploaders.
Suffice it to say, you cannot say with certainty that I did not, and there is no reasonable evidence I can provide to prove I did. Agreed, most people don't...but it was important to me at the time, so I did.
https://tosdr.org/ is hugely beneficial in today's connected world, putting TOS into plain language.
When I sign someone up at my non-profit I go over the contract and insist they read it, but also provide a coles notes for each paragraph they initial: "it's your fault, it's not our fault, if you break the rules you are out, we can kick you out, you can leave, you might get hurt, you might die, still not our fault. you agree not to sue, etc". Frankly, every TOS should have a built in TLDR.
Thanks for the reply. I've been wating almost 2 days for it. Surely, marketing is really important, but I kind of get their point on not doing it as much, at least in their current situation. Guilded is still lacking optimization, Simplified UI Revamp, and much more. There are a lot of bugs too. If they did so as of now, most people would refuse to switch as they don't want to be on a platform that is "laggy". In tech, you only have one chance of succeeding when you create a product. This is probably why they haven't moved yet. Or maybe there are other reasons.
I think one of their selling points when they do start advertising the app is Privacy. Although not the greatest as they still got a Grade D in tosdr.org, Discord has a Grade E, and you basically give up all your rights to the company(You allow them to change their ToS without previous notice, they can keep logs of everything you do for an undefined period of time, you give up your right for a Class Action Lawsuit unless it is made in California, and most importantly, they can censor your communications if they feel like so). Guilded doesn't censor you nor does it keep logs, they do accept DNT(Do Not Track requests) and you can sue them if you feel like so(you also receive notices on ToS changes). That is why I think they should add privacy to their marketing when they do start invention onto it.
It isnt unfair. Google even reads your emails and uses that data for their future services and marketing.
TOSdr: https://tosdr.org/en/service/217 (The site that reviews TOS's of services)
Its quite common and normal.
I ain't got time to read the whole thing lol.
Although one site I do use which summarizes the whole thing: https://tosdr.org/
I also use Ctrl + F to find key words in the policy.
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But I don't think relying on their policies is any good. They can change it at any time without sending a notification for one and it's possible they could just be lying.
It was for a uni project - we had to pick a topic and design an app for it. The concept app I made is called Checkboxes. It would serve as a front-end to the tosdr.org database. And it would let users sandbox other apps. I wanted to make it as easy as possible to use - I designed it to be used by my mum, heh.
The reason we cannot give legal advice is because we are not law professionals :-)
> I would also like a guide to the terms of use before actually registering for a service
Do you mean like summaries? Because we have summaries: https://tosdr.org/en/service/182 (Facebook).
Sadly requests really do take time and we try to automate most of it.
I think that feature is either automated or only partially working. For Proton mail, the DDGPE icon shows B+, which is supposed to be taken from https://tosdr.org/. But when you go there and look up protonmail.com, you see the B, not B+. But there is also lot of data about Proton mail there.
> I’m sure if you actually read all of Googles terms they are covered and don’t need to provide any reasoning whatsoever. I haven’t so I can’t tell you.
Their terms of service and privacy policy are long as fuck tho. I just use ToS;DR to get the basics of them.
Tosdr.org has a simple version of Tiktok's EULA if you want to know what they can do with your data.
Wikipedia's Tiktok article has a controversy section if you want to take a deeper dive.
It's garbage like all the rest: https://tosdr.org/en/service/194
However, there are a few key differences in that you don't need an e-mail address or phone number to register and you can use an app like Apollo or Slide in place of the official, ad-ridden one.
I don't have anything against discord, it's a great platform, but the idea of everyone just thinking of a massive corporation as a real person is utter bullshit. Discord's marketing is very good, and from the few interactions I've had with them, the guy who runs their social media is nice too.
However, this doesn't change the fact that they're worth $3.5 billion dollars and they're not your friend. There is no reason you should trust them when they say "oh we can see everything you do, but we don't sell that, trust us", their TOS basically says "yeah we can do whatever we want with your data". There's a chance that they don't, but as I said before, there should be no reason to take their word as a benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying don't use the platform, I'm saying, don't use it thinking that they're not selling your data.
reddit Class E
- - You agree to defend, indemnify, and hold the service harmless in case of a claim related to your use of the service
- - The service can delete your account without prior notice and without a reason
- - This service ignores the Do Not Track (DNT) header and tracks users anyway even if they set this header.
- - You agree to defend, indemnify, and hold the service harmless in case of a claim related to your use of the service
- - The service may use tracking pixels, web beacons, browser fingerprinting, and/or device fingerprinting on users.
Yikes.
I'm not a lawyer and there are probably better subreddits to ask this.
Having said that, this is not a good term obviously. It forces you into binding arbitration in the case of disputes. In other words, you agree to waiver certain consumer and citizen's rights, like the right to file a lawsuit.
Changes were to be expected btw, it's TLG bringing the fine print of Bricklink in line with theirs. The same happened regarding IP's and licensing, which is now basically the same as over on Ideas.
Of course any ToS is riddled with such terms, including Reddit's. Like, you grant them a license to do almost whatever they want with whatever you post, up to and often including commercial use. For free. Get premium and you're paying them. You give them permission to collect, use and/or share your personal information for advertising. They ignore the "do not track" header and track you anyway. The list goes on and on.
It's nothing new, companies have been doing this since internet became a thing. You've probably agreed to this particular lawsuit waiver dozens of times already. Any ToS sucks and we don't really care but we should. Modern law is slowly catching up to the internet and its machinations but is still missing out on a lot of things, like this.
This is a very useful site that breaks down the ToS of a lot of sites: tosdr.org/ Lego and Bricklink are not listed though.
privacy policy being more than 2 paragraphs.
i dont give a shit about your “personalized experiences” just tell me you sell them my location. i also wish people didnt have targeted ads. that is evil and greedy. i dont want rosies flowers to know more about me in a few milliseconds than what a pedophile could learn in 2 weeks. i also hope google no longer exists then
more on the topic: r/degoogle tos:dr
To track all website with spesific need is really hard, but there's one website that give you a review about privacy policies (just popular site I think) based their own conclusion. Check Tosdr..
Apologies if I replied at the wrong point in the chain. I don't want to force people to defend positions they don't agree with!
There are certainly criticisms to be made of the ToS of various websites but I don't think they are preventing competition with a monopoly and certainly not interfering with free speech. By the way I can recommend the extension Terms of Service; Didn't Read as a useful way of tracking what rights you may or may not have as you wander from site to site.
i use Dropbox for the files which i want sync with my other devices..no i don't have my whole Desktop synced..i think like you maybe, i consider about the privacy even on trusted apps or organizations because many times they use and third parties apps..you must also read very well the terms and the privacy of the app..and maybe this can help you https://tosdr.org/#dropbox
The owner of the code still holds all rights (anyone can view it but not use it) unless they specify a license, so it would be on them to take legal action, not GitHub.
Courtesy of /u/lexsoor elsewhere in the thread: https://tosdr.org/#github
See also: https://stackoverflow.com/a/7796464
I’ve been saving all the new Terms of Services emails that have been coming in lately with the plan to one day read them all.
Also saved the website from a previous post for the abridged versions of the online TOS I agreed to but never read - https://tosdr.org/ Probably will spend half a free day reading that instead.
Ignorance is the weakest argument to try to defend.
Also, check out the browser add-on at Terms of Service; Didn't Read. They rate and label website terms & privacy policies. The only downside is that it doesn't cover every website, but for more well-known websites it makes the TOS really easy to understand.
I get the feeling that this is the first time you realized that what is ethically and/or morally right does not equate to what is legally right.
You seem very upset about something you've agreed to - it's kind of like you didn't read the ToS and just clicked I Accept. I recommend https://tosdr.org/ - it's like a TL;DR for Terms of Service of popular sites/services.
A recent example is Apple, they avoid billions of dollars in taxes. Is what they're doing ethically and morally wrong? Yes. Is what they're doing illegal? No.
Best course of action? Don't buy Apple or EA products if the way they conduct their business does not appeal to you.
There is, sort of. Depends on what you're looking for.
- Terms of Service; Didn't Read - Analyze popular TOS.
- 2ndVote - Analyze companies on political issues
I think you mean this paper. I find it fascinating but at the same time dangerous. Fascinating for the realization that the issues at hand are fundamentally connected but dangerous for the standardization process that is in itself a test of influence, as you rightly noted.
I like an approach some innovative I/UX designers have been trying to put together: summarized versions of privacy T&Cs with the long form document attached. Another innovative idea is ToS;DR
There's a website that rates terms of service.
But imo we need legal reform to require short, plain English contracts, and make lengthy legalese unenforceable. Maybe require to get it notarized if it's too long or complex.
>So you read the Terms & Conditions every time you buy something online?
For most major commercial outlets, yes.
>What is in reddit's terms and conditions? What about gmail's? Your cell phone carrier?
I have not read reddit's terms or conditions. I don't really need to. Gmails? Yes. Cell phone? Yes.
>You must have read hundreds of EULAs. Could you briefly summarize what is in them?
I wouldn't say hundreds, but a lot. Usually its the privacy policy, license restrictions, and proper legal forums and applicable state laws. Here isa great extensions that works in most browsers to summarize online EULAs.
>You'd literally spend all of your waking hours reading contracts.
That's pretty much what I do all day. You realize you are on a legal news sub, right?
Photography oriented sites like flickr etc. are usually fairly good when it comes to IP, stay away from FB, instagram, tumblr etc. they have some very dodgy stuff in their terms of use.
TOS;DR give a good overview of most popular sites.
You can read the whole thing here or here.
Anyways that unlinked site is 1st time I've heard of where you find legit sites here. What you heard from grey market is true by experience. Since they usually do NOT sell the games themselves but act as a middleman with seller and you. It is always a gamble that you get a game, wrong key, no refund, revoked and even locked out if it is game gift purchased with stolen cards due fraudulent activity (those are not a must, but can).
If you are worried to be banned since you're asking ToS, use your better judgement. As long as you use Steam trade window for keys (or games) vs games you're safe. When you begin keys vs PayPal it's risky if the seller is risky (check reputation every possible way) since trade window will only show as if he gifted keys (origin unknown) to you for nothing.
And so far I've not heard of case Steam used ToS to ban both parties for a trade that went well for both sides. But if one party feels unjust it usually rises problems for both parties.