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Well, your computer cannot be colder than its environment, unless you're using something like a vapor cycle system. Is it less then 12C wherever the computer is?
My guess is that speedfan is reading wrong. Try the BIOS, if the temps show up there. I've also had good luck with Real Temp.
Yes, physically impossible. Do I really need to back it up? I can direct you to any thermodynamics book if you like; it'll be in the first chapter. Otherwise I'll need to give you a lesson in introductory physics.
If you have a system, such as a CPU, that is hot, the only way to get it's temperature lower than it's surroundings is to actively cool it. An air cooler simply dissipates heat, it does not "cool" like a refrigerator. The coolest you can get your CPU is to ambient temperature, where it will be in thermal equilibrium with its surroundings. If you want to get it colder, you have to supply some sort of energy and actively cool it (or cool the surroundings and let them come to equilibrium).
In your picture, they achieved 24 C, which frankly is incorrect, unless they were in a room around ~20 C. I don't know the error bars on utilities like RealTemp, but even on their website they admit that the temperatures are only estimates and will never be fully accurate unless the software is rigorously calibrated.
This is a problem that I have with the benchmarking community as reported temperatures are often widely inaccurate, or they leave out information such as ambient temperature in their analysis. They also never report error bars, and rarely conduct multiple tests.
I suggest you read up on the laws of thermodynamics.
Also, I never said I downvoted the guy massively, and I don't know why you are accusing me of doing such a thing.
>find out how much RAM i have
Try this video. If you have 8 GB RAM, no problem. 4 GB, then you may run into problems if you have a lot of other programs running at the same time. Less than 4 GB, and that's a big problem.
>This starts to happen more and more frequently, the more i play the game.
Sounds like heat problems, especially since you mentioned a laptop.
What are your CPU and GPU temperatures? It may be the CPU or GPU throttling itself when it gets too hot. RealTemp will show you temperatures for CPU; your graphics card software should show you the GPU temperatures.
Have you cleaned the dust out of the fans? You could also try a laptop cooling pad.
You can try and reset all the settings, if you have overclocked your PC, it may help. It really sounds like your CPU gets too hot.
Download RealTemp to check the temperatures.
This, actually.
That laptop is four years old? There's a good chance it's packed full of dust and overheating. Or the CPU fan died. Overheating chips throttle their speed and crash a lot.
Install Realtemp. I can't see your CPU on the support list, but it apparently has a thermal sensor, so it might work.
My i5-4690K idles at 34 - 37 degrees Celsius, it's overclocked to 4.3
It will not run at the highest speeds constantly. With boost technology it only kicks in when it's needed. Use Realtemp 3.70 to watch what's going on.
Your temps will go down with thermal paste
If max CPU temps can stay under 70 C, great
Even lower and upper 70's C can be fine depending on how long you've been playing and the average room temp
When getting to the 80's C is when I'd try to figure out what needs to be changed
In the 90's C my desktop would be off with drastic changes in mind
Don't worry about the fans until the temps start worrying you
If you are not already, use RealTemp to check the temperature. http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
You might have to use the beta with Sandy Bridge support which is at http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64185
If it's still reporting a high temperature reapply some thermal paste, and make sure the heatsink is sitting snug. TJMax for an i5-2500k is 98C, you definitely don't want to be running it at 87C, but the CPU will throttle itself if it gets too hot to protect against damage.
I've been using RealTemp and CPUID's HWMonitor for my CPU/System shit and MSI's Afterburner for my gfx card.
Need more data. Also, have you run memtest or some kind of hard drive read rest?
http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/seatools/SeaToolsDOS223ALL.ISO
http://www.memtest86.com/memtest86-3.5b.iso.zip
That should give us an idea that your system is performing ok.
It would also be helpful to see if your system temps are going crazy: realtemp from http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
Use Real Temp to determine if your CPU is overheating.
If it is, you may want to consider reseating or upgrading your cpu heatsink and applying new thermal paste.
If it isn't, report back, and I'll try to help you better isolate the issue.
Regarding 3. Water-cooling dosen't make your CPU cooler in most cases. Since there is enough room for airflow. It only really helps with multi GPU setups since the GPUs can't really get air if they are next to each other. Your air cooler looks to be good enough and disabling Cores would probably make it cooler but may result in other Problems. You can check your CPU temperatures with a tool like Real Temp.
It seems to me to be more likely a driver Problem somewhere maybe a windows Update installed something unwanted.
Also with lock-up you mean you have to force shut it down?
It's possible the CPU fan is malfunctioning and your computer is overheating.
Try using something like realtemp to see if there are overheating issues: http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
I'd also make sure that your other computer fans are working and are free of dust and debris.
By the screen shots I can see the processor clock at 2.15ghz (way lower than the 3.3ghz stock) but I also see the game match ended. Could it be a problem with the cpu cooler? did you remove the sticker from the heatsink?
Try check temprerature with real temp.
If you haven't already, set your BIOS to all default settings. "Load Optimized Defaults" is the setting name typically. F10 and save to reboot.
Download this if you don't have a temp monitoring software and see where you are at. If the computer is shutting down suddenly (as in Windows is not shutting down, it's an immediate shutoff) then it could be a thermal safeguard.
If you CPU temps are good, then it could be a number of things. If you're overclocked, there's that. What "changes" are you making to the BIOS anyhow?
My first thought if it's only happened after a year or so, is that it might be tripping overheat protection. Especially if it's happening more with more power intensive tasks. The unusal thing here is that it would usually stay off until it's given some time to cool down. If this is happening though, you can check the temperatures of the CPU here: http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ . Cleaning or dusting the machine, an investment in better coolers, or just making sure there's enough room near the vents for proper ventilation can all help with this.
The other possibility I'm thinking of (and more likely in this case) is that your power supply may be overloaded or failing. They can lose efficiency with time - plus most people wind up adding more things to the pc with time (drives, mouse, etc). All it takes is a few moments of being pushed too far and the power will trip. They may also have issues as the machine heats up, and as power consumption grows with power hungry tasks. This issue is harder to test, unless you have things you can disconnect from the PC for a while. But there's a reason you should never cheap on a power supply if you want your machine to last.
To start, I'd check the temps. Run RealTemp and then launch something and keep an eye on it. If the temps don't hit the CPU's max temp (you'll have to google that for your specific CPU), and you still loose power, then look at the power supply. You can also use some online power supply calculators to help make sure you're not overloading the supply.
If neither of these are the issue, I'd probably start looking at the motherboard, but I'd leave that for now.
First I'd get a second opinion on those CPU temps:
Check in the BIOS if it shows the temps there
Realtemp should be compatible with that CPU (and is freeware)
MSI Afterburner should be compatible with that CPU (and is freeware for GPU's but also checks for CPU info if configured that way)
Is it reaching these temps after doing something or just idle?
You could consider resetting the BIOS to make sure no settings got changed there, or check it manually to make sure the CPU Fan is kicking in properly. Maybe go ahead and check for a BIOS update.
(Say for example the CPU fan has lost ... 40% power and is set in the BIOS at some kind of "Super silent" setting. If the super silent settings thinks the fan is spinning at 1000 RPM but really it's only doing 600 RPM. That might be the issue - look for a "Full power" setting in the BIOS for the CPU fan)
Did you use compressed air to clean out the current CPU heatsink? if there's gunked up dust down in there, that can have drastic effects.
It's definitely worth trying a different heatsink.
Also, make sure all the case fans are still blowing air in the direction you're expecting.
First. Beautiful set-up. Seriously gorgeous.
Secondly. Yeah You shouldn't be even close to those temps with your setup unless your room temp is like 80F or something insane. If I were you i'd post to tom's hardware sometimes you'll get a genuis on there that will help you out immensely as long as you give them plenty of deets.
Perhaps HWmonitor is wrong? Or something on your board is not reporting the correct temperatures. Have you tried using the temp sensor program included with your motherboard? Some people also say http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ is a good way to check your temps as appearently HWmonitor can be off or act WEIRD which I would think is the case since you have such goofy min values (E.G. those negative values).
Edit:I just tried real temp and it says its not compatible with my chip :0 I use asus's thermal radar to double check HWmonitors values. Give that a try.
It sounds like your GFX Card/CPU is overheating. I would check your fan and CPU temps. When you play a video it is taxing and will increase the temperature to a point where the computer shuts down to prevent damage.
EDIT: here is a program to check your temps http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
Reformat your hard drive and do a clean install of Windows. That gets rid of the viruses plus you get to start fresh.
Also, check if your hard drive is still "healthy" by using Hard Disk Sentinel (http://www.hdsentinel.com). A dying drive makes everything run slow. You should also check your temps to know if it's contributing to the slowdowns. Use RealTemp (http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/) to monitor it.
Edit: make sure to install the drivers (especially the graphics driver) when you do a clean install
Use RealTemp to find out what the CPU temperatures are. Prime95 is also useful for loading up the processor.
If the CPU is getting very hot, most likely you need to remount your cooler. Make sure you clean off the thermal paste from the CPU and cooler using rubbing alcohol first.
If it's not the CPU, another cause of poor performance could be that your graphics card's drivers aren't installed properly so the system's still using Windows' built in drivers.
Then by all means keep it, but Its a good idea to have an active scan and immunization antivirus as well as a passive one.
And you are right, its not what it used to be, but it was the least shady site I could find for that particular program. You shouldn't get any bloatware if you just uncheck all the boxes in the install screen.
This one might be safer, but I don't have any experience with that exact program.
Can you download realtemp and run the stresstest Loadtester that comes with it so you can see exactly what the cores are doing?
It looks like the MSI Z87-G43 (MS-7816) has an auto-overclock function, I'm not sure how it works but on my Gigabyte board it's an app in the desktop's taskbar tray: You could try changing the OC setting, in case it got stuck in some kind of ECO-mode for some reason, this way trying to force it into a performance mode.
This might solve your problem indirectly: You could check the BIOS version and if there's a newer one, try that one.
(People act weird when it comes to updating a BIOS, it makes me nervous every time, but so far it's gone smoothly. I usually don't do the latest latest, I'll grab the second latest to make sure it's stable)
This could be overheating or a failure of the video card (as others have said). But it could also just be the video drivers crashing.
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Just because the computer isn't blowing out hot air doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't hot. Actually, the fact that it isn't evacuating hot air could mean that it is overheating - the heat isn't being pulled from the component and out of the case.
Use a program like HWMonitor or Real Temp to view your GPU temperature while you're running the game.
GPU temperature should not exceed 75C (maybe 80C) If it is hotter than that, then it's definitely overheating.
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If it's not overheating, then it's probably either a driver crash or a failure of the video card
If it doesn't happen again - don't worry about it, probably nothing, weird things happen.
If the issue persists, consider reinstalling/updating your video drivers (actually, do that anyway) or that your hardware might be failing
You could download RealTemp and run a CPU stress test while monitoring the speed. If it runs slower than 2.7 GHz (2700 MHz) under stress, then the processor may be the problem. Other than that, it's out of my range of knowledge (I'm not too experienced yet)
Are you playing on a laptop? They are more prone to overheating. I know my laptop has issues playing games for extended periods of time. That is exactly the way mine turns off too.
I would recommend downloading a program such as RealTemp to monitor your CPU temperature. If you can post both your idle and playing Dota 2 temperatures on here.
Here is a good CPU Temp monitor, let us know how the temps look.
Computer cooling is very important. Whether or not this fixes the problem you're having, you should get the cable. This is probably what you need, 3-pin is the most common for modern computers, but check to make sure both on your mobo and your fan.
certainly! just be sure to monitor your cpu temp with something like realtemp since laptops tend to overheat. you can mine away on doge or xpm or any coin that can be cpu mined. you won't make a million off the bat, but you'll have fun and learn along the way. i can't recommend ypool enough, they have a great chat feature with people who are willing to help with noob questions.
Wow! Some serious spikes. And yes, I am failing to work on a Friday arvo :)
I would leave HT on... there is some debate about it for BF4 but from what I have experienced and read, you are better with it on. It should make a very small difference anyway.
Maybe reset your BIOS to default to remove any trace of the OC changes to see if that changes anything.
Another option could be heat. If your CPU cooler is not working well then the CPU will dial down its frequency as it gets hotter. You can test with RealTemp and IntelBurnTest.
You are making progress at least!
When you tested the ram did you test it individually with something like Memtest
Did your friend make sure to remove the old drivers and any left over driver components either manually or with a third party tool before installing the new drivers?
Are you using a GPU hack version of the drivers for things like adobe premier or a version from nvidia?
Whats the BSOD Error code?
Is the card Overclocked?
Options
1 Check if problem is their with another Graphic card if you have one.
2 Check for over heating of Graphic card.
make sure it's mounted in the express slot properly.
check that the power to the Graphics card is connected properly.
Try disabling the Nvidia audio drivers in the device manager, know to cause problems like yours if you are using the on board audio and have the card audio installed as well.
check you Power supply has enough power to support the card
GPU-Z is a lightweight utility designed to give you all information about your video card and GPU.
Real Temp is a temperature monitoring program designed for all Intel single Core, Dual Core, Quad Core and Core i7 processors.
Saying that this is the EXACT issues, is a little preemptive in my books, however, that is quite likely your cause.
The idea of a heat sink is to conduct the heat generated by your CPU (assuming we are talking about your CPU heat sink) into a heat spreader (apart of your heat sink), where there is a large surface area. On top of this, is usually a fan to dissipate the heat your CPU generates.
If your heat sink was clogged with dust, or, your heat sink's fan has failed, heat CANNOT be dissipated. When a CPU reaches a maximum preset temperature (usually called a TJMax), it automatically shuts down to prevent damage to hardware.
To confirm this diagnosis, you can download free applications like RealTemp for Intel processors, or SpeedFan.
If you see your CPU reaching very high temperatures, especially when your computer is under high load (gaming, watching videos, ect), then your issue is likely CPU/CPU Cooling based.
I'd personally trust the ASRock Tuner, as I've used CoreTemp for a while and it always shows a few degrees difference to other programs, and I've heard from others doubting it's accuracy.
Try some other programs too, I guess after trying a few you'll know which end of the scale is more accurate :)
Unless your ambient room temperature is sub 16C, you may want to calibrate your temp monitoring software so as to avoid violating the laws of thermodynamics. Here is a link that explains more about why calibration is necessary and how to do it with RealTemp.
Download a program like RealTemp and run it in the background. If you are hitting high temperatures (maybe 50/60C) at idle, you are probably maxing out under load causing the shut-downs. You can also try stress testing it with Prime95 to check out what it's doing under load.
EDIT: After you do this and if it turns out to be your CPU maxing out, check that your cooler is seated correctly and that you have a good connection to your CPU. ie: check your thermal paste.
Any value between -19.9 and 9.9 can be used to improve the accuracy of your reported temperatures. Refer to the Calibration paragraph above to determine what settings are appropriate for your processor. A unique value for each core can be set. The temperature sensors on each CPU are unique so for best results, RealTemp should be calibrated to your CPU.
random troubleshooting suggestion - check your CPU temp.
i was having issues playing games for months until i finally realized my cpu fan was crap and i was idling around 60 degrees C. $20 on a new fan and everything ran like butta.
http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ for example.
This has all the hallmarks of a cooling issue. It could be your CPU overheating or it could be a motherboard component that is getting too hot.
To eliminate the CPU I suggest you download and install Real Temp. It can be configured to keep a log file of your CPU core temperatures so you can see what the last reported temperature was before the machine crashed.
Also, how big is your case, what sort of ambient room temperatures do you have, and how many fans do you have in the case? You need good airflow through the case so that the CPU cooler can function properly. Ambient case temperature has a big effect on the motherboard too -- any memory or chipset heatsinks can only function properly if there is decent airflow over them. Are your cables tidy or do they look like spaghetti and block airflow? Do you have intake fans as well as exhaust fans on the case?
Edit: It could also be a PSU issue. If your power supply is flaky and not providing enough power (or clean enough power) to the graphics card then you will get random crashes when the GPU is under load.
download http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ and tell us your temps.
also, more data is needed here. What kind of system do you have? CPU? Motherboard? How old is the system? Has this happened before? Are you getting BSOD or is the system just turning off? does the system only shut down when playing games , or has it randomly shut down in the past?
Download something to monitor your temps from within your OS. This looks like it should work in windows. http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ (never used this program but it looks like it will do the trick) Then run something like prime95 and see what the temperatures do under load.
What kind of case are you using? Make sure you have plenty of cool air coming in and being exhausted from the case. If you installed the case fans yourself make sure you don't have a fan backwards or something.
You can always try reseatting the heatsink but make sure if you decide to do this that you remove the old thermal paste and apply new paste. You should be able to pick some up at a place like best buy or online. Arctic Silver is good stuff.
If you can run the system under load for a few hours and nothing crashes, you might just leave it as is. CPUs these days can operate up to 70c. I used to fiddle with my heatsink when I wasn't happy with my temps until I bent a punch of pins on a cpu... Sometimes you just gotta leave well enough alone.
50c does seem a little high but when windows loads (assuming you're running windows) the cpu might actually throttle itself down when not being utilized which it might not be doing in the bios which is why I suggested getting something to look at the temps in your OS). Good luck.
> Ambient temperature in my room is usually no more than 70 degrees F. But, my numbers seem very normal to me. I guess they aren't?
Not only are they not normal, they are thermodynamically impossible without a heat pump. 70 °F is 21 °C. A twelve-ton solid diamond heatsink cooled by a 747's turbofan couldn't drop your temps below 21 °C. The monitoring program you are using is clearly misreporting temperatures.
I can believe--barely--that it doesn't go above 30 °C from normal use, but under a genuine heavy load, on a stock heatsink, it will certainly be higher.
Although the BIOS readings are likely to be accurate, the processor is not idling in BIOS; I agree that's not a valid way to measure idle temps.
What program are use using, and on what motherboard? FWIW, the folks behind Real Temp seem to know their stuff. I would think SpeedFan would also be accurate, though.
install RealTemp
If the distance to TJ max is really low on your CPU you will need to replace the thermal paste, and dust out your PC while at it.
If not, the problem could be something completely different.
I haven't heard this problem yet from anyone else, so I suspect that it is just your PC. Normally when this happens, it is going to happen on new games as they are more demanding and generate more heat inside your computer. So I'm not terribly surprised it happened during this beta when people are reporting increased hardware needs and decreased FPS.
As I suspect hardware, definitely take the time to get it right. Get some arctic silver here and make sure it's a THIN amount on the CPU. You're only trying to fill holes and create a perfectly flat surface, you aren't trying to cover it completely.
Finally monitor your temp
Do things like watch HD youtube, play flash games on kongregate, watch multitwitch streams (because twitch.tv is html5 now you have to do alternate sites to get flash which is better for cpu use)
As rainbrod has pointed out that cooler is only designed for a 65W CPU. http://www.rosewill.com/products/1544/ProductDetail_Specifications.htm. I7-4790 is an 84W CPU so you need a better cooler. Here are some other things you can try in the meantime which may lower temperatures while you are waiting for a new cooler.
Are you overclocking? Power dissipation increases substantially when you overclock. Even if you think you aren't overclocking check the BIOS. Many enthusiast bioses have a kind of auto overclocking feature. Make sure this is turned off and everything is running at stock.
Get a second opinion on the temperatures: Realtemp is pretty reliable. http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
Make sure that your CPU heat-sink fan is plugged in and running. They are normally temperature dependent to the fan start off slow and speeds up as the processor gets hotter. This behaviour can usually be controlled in the bios.
Make sure your case ventilation is adequate. Try running with the lid off to see if it makes a difference. If so you may need more case ventilation.
Make sure that your heat-sink isn't seated properly on the CPU. Even a tiny gap or a grain of dirt makes a big difference. Disassemble, clean everything off and carefully put it back together. Remember when it comes to thermal paste more is less. A very thin layer is all you need.
Useful programmes for stress testing your CPU temperature: Intel Burn Test.; Intel Extreme Tuning Utility; Prime 95
Did you connect your screen to your motherboard or to your graphics card? Your motherboard connection will look something like this and have several other connections nearby, your gpu connections like this with the notable fan stripes nearby.
What are your CPU temps right now? Best way to manage cpu temps is keeping your rig clean and getting an aftermarket cooler but first check if your temps are actually a problem using something like Realtemp
It might be indeed that overheating causes the shutdowns. Use this free program to check the temperature. Above 80 celsius is VERY hot. Make sure your Companion in on its stand in elevated position for a better air flow. Consider using a laptop cooling pad. Performance-wise I'm sure CC2 should handle the rendering just fine, the memory is not an issue, you should change the memory setting back, it doesn't affect the final rendering AFAIK.
I will assume you're new to video editing, so sorry if you're not, and you already know all this. Premiere pro is not meant to be used to render the final videos. There is a piece of software by Adobe called Media Encoder, which comes with the Premiere designed for exactly this purpose. Just save your project, close the Premiere (and everything else) open your project in Encoder, find a preset you need to the right. Drag it over to replace the default render settings. Check the settings if you need then render. Hope all this helps!
yes that's fine, and you could probably go even higher. I was using stock cooler and got to 4.2GHz with about 80C under load. If you have RealTemp you can see the point at which the processor is forcefully throttled down via the TJ Max value.
Overheating can cause such an issue. Do you have any applications to monitor CPU temp? Do any other high end games give you problems?
I use RealTemp for monitoring mine.
You could try running a virus scan etc. through it.
What anti-virus software do you have?
You could try running malwerebytes anti rootkit.
Running CCleaner (removes a lot of temporary files, cookies etc).
Running a scan with malwarebytes anti malware.
And possibly doing a bootup scan with avast (that takes a while).
That should be pretty thorough.
Another thing, how old is the computer?
I assume you bought it pre-built. Have you ever tried dusting it? Altough if you don't know what you are doing there it could end badly.
You could try checking your CPU temperature when running to see if that might be an issue. This program should work for that.
Just be careful against static electricity, you could use a compressed air can or simply a small brush. It's what I used last time I cleaned the computer, with a small paint brush for cleaning the CPU-fan.
If you get compressed air be careful with how you tilt the can as it can spray a bit of liquid.
If all else fails maybe try reinstalling smite?
I have a built in app on mine... but a quick google search resulted in this : http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
Also, be sure to look up that BSOD code to figure out what might going on. to me it sounds like something is overheating, maybe a faulty fan, since whenever you tax out your system it crashes (GTA5 and CPU software).
Open the case up and have a look inside to see if all your fans are up and going. I could be wrong on this, but thats where i would start looking.
Yeah, that should work just fine! Look at your core temperatures in Real Temp GT , and just make sure the temperatures aren't getting within 10C of the TJMax when you are overclocking and running Prime95. If it is too hot, just dial back the overclock to like 3.8GHz or so.
Make sure you get that new 620W Bronze PSU in as well. If you can find a 650W or 700W PSU Bronze for a similar price, I would get that. Overclocked Nehalems pull a lot of power under full load. Same with the R9 290.
>Ive checked and made sure i did not leave the plastic on the heataink
Does this mean that you removed the cooler from the processor? Is there still that grey gunk on it? If no, you need to turn your computer off and not turn it on until you buy thermal compound and apply it before you put the cooler back on.
If yes and it's not all over the place and such, I'd suggest leaving the heatsink alone.
Download RealTemp from here: http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
And monitor your CPU temperatures from that point forward. Since your ambient temperatures are high, you'll get several degrees hotter than ambient. You will never be cooler than the ambient temperature.
Well your first mistake was taking the cpu heat sink off to check if the paste was applied properly. Overheating would be the only indication that your heat sink was not working properly. All you did by removing the heat sink is ensure you have to reapply thermal paste. if you remove the heat sink, it breaks the seal that is between the cpu and heat sink. if you have re installed the heat sink without cleaning the remaining paste with a high % alcohol and reapplying thermal paste then you might have a problem. And if you have removed the heat sink and re installed without properly reapplying paste. There is a few methods of applying thermal paste, and you can Google how to do it. I prefer the pea sized method and placing the heat sink on the cpu to let the paste spread. Now that we have covered that problem I suggest you download a program that will let you know the temperatures of your cpu. I prefer real temp http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ but there are many more you can roll with an you can go with your preference. that's not the only way to tell if your system is overheating a lot of things come into play but if your heat sink is the culprit this will be able to paint a lot better picture than removing your heat sink to check the paste :p
I would check to see if your cooler is on, if its the stock cooler it could of came out of its placement holes.
its weird for one core to be hot and not the others too.
i would also ask that you check out http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ and see what temps that's giving you.
You should look at something like RealTemp. It'll monitor your temperatures on your processor and tell you your %used if you have a second monitor. If it goes up really high your CPU is the bottleneck, if it isn't that high, it's your graphics card.
You also have to realize that FPS is an inversely relation, not linear. If you have 1 millisecond between frames, you get 1000 frames per second. If you have 2 milliseconds between frames, you get 500. 3 ms? 333.3 frames. 4... 250. It just goes down from there. It gets MUCH harder to get above around 250 frames for intensive games.
200 frames isn't bad. The random lag spikes are weird, but it's not from faulty hardware.
DL this: http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
watch both your CPU and GPU temps. 100 is bad, 90 is not good, 80 is not so great and 75* is about the threshold for a stock cooled 4690k under load, at least for me to be comfortable with it. 65C while gaming is ideal. I have an OC'd 4690k (@4.4ghz) and usually sit around 60-65C, but that's with a H60 and a very well ventilated case. Everyone has different comfort levels with temps but I would say anything above 85 is worrisome. GPU's (especially AMD) tend to run a little hot so 80C isn't that bad.
if you find the temps are pretty high and think that's the issue, your next step would be to pay $20-30 for a aftermarket CPU cooler, or if it's the GPU you will want to examine your case ventilation and airflow and possibly purchase some extra fans.
I can't vouch for this program but here is an example:
http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
Do some more research on how to check CPU/GPU temp. You only need to check GPU temp if your laptop has a standalone GPU.
I had this problem about a week or so ago, and it was driving me insane - so much so I regretted buying the game.
Turned out to be my CPU - or rather, its temperature. Its an i5 4670k, so should be well able to handle it...but in a burst of inspiration, I checked my CPU core temps. They were all way up in the 90s, and should have been in the low 40s or so.
My CPU fan had blown, and the CPU wasn't being cooled, so as the temp increased, performance started to degrade, and the sound was the first thing to take a hit. I switched out the fan, and bam, problem solved.
So...check your CPU temps using something like RealTemp - it might just be something as simple as that.
You don't mention your CPU model, so if its not the temp, maybe the CPU is just a bit too old and in need of an upgrade ?
Overheating sounds like.
Is your CPU running very hot? Usually if the PC restarts during load there may be overheating, bad hardware, or driver issues. Use this to see if it's running hot, even during idle/no load: http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
Does the PC stay on and not reboot during normal usage? Meaning web browsing and such, but no games. If it does, then try OCCT: http://www.ocbase.com/ and use it to stress your PC and monitor your temperatures as time goes by. You don't want the CPU to go above 60c under load and the videocards over 100c normally.
Also, did you apply thermal paste for the CPU & Cooler? If you did, please make sure the cooler is properly seated and has good contact with the CPU, otherwise it can lead to what you're experiencing.
No problem.
Just make sure you're not getting to 75 C or higher. This could be useful to keep track of your temps, just check the maximums after a while in-game:
BSOD is usually not related to software, but to hardware. Your thermal paste on your CPU might be bad or even non existent
Install realtemp and see if your cores are running hot.
Also make sure your processor isn't getting too hot
http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
Without knowing your CPU specs (can't find em) your processor should likely be unsafe if it's over 80c for any of the cores.
RealTemp is my go-to for system tray temperature monitoring, does both CPU and GPU with plenty of options.
If you want to get a little fancier, MSI Afterburner will monitor and log statistics as well as provide on-screen displaying of whatever you choose while gaming or in any other fullscreen 3d application. Though it used to be only for video cards, it does monitor CPU temps now as well: http://i.imgur.com/3ar1TGC.png
You could look in your BIOS, but I find it easier to use one of many programs that just grabs that information, such as Real Temp. That will tell you your temps.
The slaved drive wont make any difference, even with the old OS files on there. Windows is booted off your main drive and that is all Windows cares about. Now since you are dealing with two Nvidia cards, you should try and perform a complete wipe of Nvidia drivers and files. The ATI stuff should not be causing any issues because you are not using an ATI card, so I think your safe there. Min PSU for a 9600GT is 400w so your probably ok there unless the PSU is faulty or your sucking up too much juice somewhere else. Id start with trying to completely remove any Nvidia drivers and files. Run CCleaner to clean out left over files and registry entries. Then try and install the latest driver for your card. If that fails, try and reload the OS and if that fails then you've got a hardware issue and you can start considering which parts to try and replace. Also you should install a temp monitor for your CPU and GPU to be sure your not overheating when you launch games.
CPU: http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ GPU: http://www.nvidia.com/object/system_monitor.html
If your GPU is hitting upwards of 80C than your probably overheating and if the CPU is getting above 80 that is not good either and youll end up burning up the chip in time.
In my system I have a 760GTX that runs around 65C at full load and my CPU with a closed circuit water cooler is at 35C
Because your system is not shutting itself down, chances are if its an overheating issue its the GPU. Windows will shut your system down if the CPU gets too hot.
The heatsink tabs are pressed in properly? What do the other CPU temps say? Have you monitored them before? Package temp isn't what I would be using to check in that program, it's not terribly accurate. Try using Real Temp once, it's what a lot of people use for temps when stress testing Intel chips. Let me know what you get.
Did you reinstall your OS after making these changes to the system?
What MOBO, RAM an CPU models do you have here? Provide model numbers.
I assume your RAM is from the previous build and was working ok?
What do you CPU temps look like? Go here and get Real Temp. Screen-shots are good.
If you want the game to use less VRAM, lower the texture quality and resolution. If you want to improve the performance your PC, add more RAM. If it needs to load more, or larger, textures, the game can use available system memory, which with 6GB's of RAM, you might not really have any extra. I'm assuming here you are running Vista or Windows 7/8 64 bit, since you already have > 4GB or RAM, if not, change your operating system first.
I'd consider upgrading the video card after that; the CPU isn't that bad. One more thing you could do is run Real Temp and GPU-Z while playing a game, and see if your CPU is hitting 90+% load, same with your video cards. I find my i5-750 usually doesn't hit full load, but my old GeForce GTX 460 is almost always 100% unless I reduce the settings. It's the next upgrade item for me.
If not on dual-boot Win/Linux, Cygwin - Unix-like environment and tools under windows
Real Temp (http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/) - temperature monitoring program for Intel single Core, Dual Core, Quad Core and Core i7 processors
Your CPU is quite heat resistant and can tolerate temperatures up to about 85°C, without any issue whatsoever. You can use a programs such as Real Temp to monitor the temperature.
There are a lot of things that could instigate such a change in performance (It would be helpful to know when the last time you played Mirrors Edge @ 60fps by the way).
CPU: Your cpu may be getting too hot due to improperly applied / very old thermal paste, please download RealTemp, run Mirrors Edge with PhysX, and see if the Max temp goes too high.
Video Card: Did you change cards from NVIDIA to AMD Radeon? Did you overclock your card? Please download GPU-Z, run it and go to the sensors tab, right-click on average temperature and select maximum and then run Mirrors Edge and see if the Max temp gets too high.
Background processes: If you're running a LOT of stuff in the background that you weren't previously when Mirror's Edge was running well, please go into task manager (Ctrl-Alt-Del -> Select Task Manager -> Go over to performance) and make sure you have plenty of extra CPU / Memory.
Power Supply: Unlikely, but if it's getting flaky and your video card needs a consistent power flow it could affect performance.
More details in regards to systems changes and when the last time you ran Mirrors Edge successfully on high would be helpful, I hope my comment is useful to you.
Have you had issues with it in the past? (shutting down at high temps for example?) Maybe try another temperature monitor. I use Real Temp for my PC, see if that show anything different tham CAM. Also is it only certain games or all games? What load is it at when it idles or you go on Youtube for example?
Couldn't this be due to heat build up in your laptop affecting the CPU ? affecting FPS? I realise you've said you have played a lot of other taxing games in the past but you could try running something like this http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ and seeing if after 15 mins there is any stark difference? Someone with better computer knowledge with me might say otherwise.
That psu is sufficient fo sho. Was that 67C your gpu or cpu? We should check your temps on your cpu. Download RealTemp if you're running Win7. For Win 8 or 8.1 download Hardware Monitor. These are great programs that will give you real time temp readings on all cores. Hit some games up, get the temps going and check to see what it's reading.
The best way I found to keep track of temperatures (at least for the video card) is to use MSI Afterburner (http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm) As for CPU, there are many tools to use, realtemp is a good one: (http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/)
The .dmp is pointing toward either a driver issue or CPU. Specifically the processor cache. Make sure all of your drivers are up to date and run a CPU Stress Test using Prime95
Select the Small FFTs test and enter the number of cores your CPU has. In advanced tab, select 'Round off checking'. and use Real Temp to monitor your CPU temps. Check with your CPU type to determine recommended max cpu core temp.
That is where I would begin.
why thank you.
also, since you want the knowledge, here is the program that lets you do it,
http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
and you'll wanna run realtech GT from the list of exes when its downloaded and to go to settings and select GPU if you GPU mine.
now we just need to find out about the exe
Grab a copy of GPU-Z, and let it run in the background, logging the temps of your GPU. It's probably running really hot. http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/SysInfo/GPU-Z/
TechPowerup also has a utility called "Real Temp" that will monitor your CPU temps in the background. http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
You're not trying to game during the summer in Australia, are you?
The CPU would be what I'd suspect, given how Paradox games work.
If running the game as an administrator doesn't work, get Real Temp and watch your CPU temperature.
Generally you want to look at cpu and gpu temps, check the chip manufacturer's page on your specific hardware to temperature limits. If i'm running a stress test on a cpu overclock I usually have Realtemp open next to my stress test app window, for a software monitoring program from inside windows it's pretty accurate. here's the DL link http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
Sounds like the problem is the overheating. If you're pc is capable, download and run this. If not, try and download it at a friends or relatives and run it off a usb. Anything above 70 degrees for a long time period is problematic.
Does youre computer have an AMD processor? I've just been lurking around a few forums and apparently that causes problems.
Suggestions i've found so far:
- Install the latest updates for your OS
- Update the driver of your processor
(EDIT) Here's the forum. Some of it's just gibberish to me but you might find something else useful.
Its not your connection, the upload is fine.
If lowering the settings didn't solve it completely I might have to start thinking that the CPU is overheating; possibly the heat sink was not properly installed.
Try putting the settings back up all the way and run realtemp at the same time: http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
See what the temps are getting up to.
Maybe run Prime95 with realtemp to stress the machine out and see what the temps are.
Right now, unless something is defective I would learn towards overheating.. CPU first then possibly GPU, but I don't think the GPU is an issue as long as you can see the fans moving on it.
Did you test with something reliable like Realtemp w/ Prime95? Could you post the results?
I don't mean to doubt your numbers, it's just that your temperature range is really low unless you have some sort of fancy cooling setup and everything indicates throthling due to overheating.
gpu z ( http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/ ) and real temp ( http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ ) would be perfect for that.
@ OP :have you tried dragging your hdd? http://www.piriform.com/defraggler
RSOD? I've only heard of that in either the PS3, beta versions of Vista, or something which looks like this. If a downgrade in drivers fixes the RSOD, then I suspect it's driver related. (Seen a few issues with the 301.42 drivers).
Does the computer get that hot, or is it relatively cool under load? Use a program like RealTemp to monitor the temperatures.
We'll need a lot more information than that to properly diagnose the issue (System specs, the nature of the freezing, what you're doing at the time of the freeze), but AtheistKharm has covered the first steps you should try. You could also measure your temperatures using RealTemp
I've found there I have all kinds of false readings using speedfan. Maybe it's just my setup but I've found it's numbers to be mostly unreliable. Someone reccomended RealTemp to me it's been a more than able tool for temperature monitoring.
Sounds like it could be overheating. A bluescreen might indicate some other problem.
Just to cover all of our bases, I'd recommend making sure your graphics drivers are up to date.
If you can clean it right now, I'd recommend that. Dust is a terrible conductor of heat.
If it will help to confirm the problem, you can monitor GPU temperature with GPU-Z. In theory, your card should be able to handle temperatures up to around 100C, but that's getting into the danger zone. There's also a utility for monitoring CPU temperature.
Check the power supply, when they go bad things start to get weird.
Not sure what you mean by cooling conditions. The temp of the CPU/GPU is affected by the ambient temperature of the room, the cooling provided by the system itself(case fans), and the amount of dust/dirt on the components. The best way to rule out temp. issues is to run something like RealTemp. This reads the temp of the CPU and GPU's.
Check if there are any diagnostic solutions for your GPU, it could be faulty.
Run memtest86(there are x64 and x86 versions available depending on the amount of memory you have)
Finally, run Prime95 this is a CPU/Mem stress test that will help you determine if your issue is instability in the CPU/mem configuration.
Which is why i suggested you get something to monitor the temperature. The outside of my laptop looked clean as well. I use Real Temp There are probably better ones out there but I found it searching Intel's website so figure it probably isn't a virus.
Toshibas are notorious for heating issues. Ensure that the heatsink fan isn't obstructed, that you never operate it on a bed or similar, and clean out the fan. You can do this by turning the PC off and blowing some compressed air into the heatsink.
Not sure what CPU temp thresholds are these days, but if you download realtemp it'll tell you what TOO hot is. Here is the link.
Alternatively, you could make or buy a cooling pad.
What makes you think it is not overheating? If you can't power your system back on right away it sounds like a heat problem. This does not sound like it is specific to SWTOR. Download realtemp and see if you notice your pc getting hot.
If it boots into windows and reboots at random, it's possibly an overheating issue. Make sure the CPU heatsink is seated properly and the CPU/GPU fans are spinning. Run some program to monitor your temps like RealTemp or HWMonitor. Take note of what you are doing when it restarts like running a game or program. Maybe the increased load of running the programs are pushing the temps to overheating.
If it's just a restarting loop before it windows even loads, then could possibly be corrupt boot files. If this is a new build you wouldn't have anything on the PC to lose anyways so a re-image seems in order.