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Save up for a decent PC, or look into subscribing to Shadow Cloud Streaming. Playing Battefront 2 with mods has been an amazing experience, this is coming from a strictly console player.
I've been testing this out, and while it does work (surprisingly well actually), there's still enough of a latency lag that it starts to give me motion sickness... That said, this technology is SOO close to being perfect and I can't wait until we can play flawless high-end VR games on lower-end hardware because of cloud computing + streaming...
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Shadow.tech is delivery some amazing streaming technology, I hope they partner up with Virtual Desktop or maybe start offering their own solution to VR streaming. Going to be a really interesting couple of years! Can't wait!
It will be, likely alpha or beta release soonish™. See the section titled: Arm support? Ohh ARM support! on the most recent blog post. It links to the twitch clip with a little more info
How are you so sure that you get lower ping in other games? By looking at the ping display within those games when you run them remotely?
In your hypothetical scenario, your AWS server in Chicago that is running League will indeed have low ping to Riot's Chicago server (and it will display it as low ping in the League client) but that's just the ping from the remote machine to Riot's server. However, your actual effective latency is the one that also takes into account the time needed to send and receive data (key inputs, video) to and from the remote machine to your own PC, which won't magically defy the laws of physics. Otherwise, why stop at Chicago and just connect to Korea instead?
As others pointed out, latency through cloud gaming can't be lower than what you do locally since you add more steps to the whole process, namely video processing (need to encode the video on the remote machine, send it over the internet then your PC needs to decode it before displaying it). Look at this article for a decent summary of all this: https://shadow.tech/blog/news/roadmap-cloud-gaming-without-latency
Unless you bought into Stadia's "Negative Latency" technology, which is mostly just a marketing term for techniques which might mitigate the added lag of cloud gaming and AFAIK, wasn't fully explained by Google either.
> If you want to greatly reduce cheating, the server needs to only provide enough information to render what's on the screen at the moment (for example, only tell the client about players that aren't behind walls, and only give the position to the nearest pixel) and should only take action requests (such as moving directions, and not absolute positions) from the user and verify that the actions are valid itself.
First this would sound like a good solid solution until you run in issues like missing packages, the ability to maybe shoot thorugh certain objects that hide a person etc. etc. etc.
Information about picked up things etc. Also it would inflate the costs for a single server and the amount of data packages that need to be send to everyone by a lot, because you can't just send 1 Package to everyone (simplifed speaking)
Most of modern Anti Cheat systems work on a combination of detecting unwanted Software (the cheat software) and validating actions.
> You can never trust that someone else's computer is running any specific software, and even if you do, users can easily have another computer interact with the first one by taking the monitor as input and emulating a keyboard and mouse.
That's why, for example, Valorant doesn't run on Virtual Machines, not even a commercial run Shadow.tech System.
Answer of Shadow:
Thank you for your message!
Unfortunately at this time it is not possible to have raytracing option on your Shadow.
We will announce more details about hardware upgrades later this year. This includes upgrades to the Shadow base offer, as well as hardware you will be able to power-up with via your customer account.
As of May 20, 2021, we are sad to say that the Shadow Ultra and Infinite have been shelved as we focus on our new offering "Shadow".
If you have any other questions, feel free to go to this link: https://shadow.tech/blog/teamshadow/introducing-our-new-offer. You may find more answers here.
Thank you for your understanding and please let us know if you have any other questions.
Kind regards
Mysterio
J'ajouterais même : https://shadow.tech/fr/blog/news/nouveau-depart-en-vue-pour-shadow
Récent comme post mais à l'image d'une entreprise qui s'efforce de communiquer sans mélodrame, c'est à dire, de façon creuse.
J'ai fais parti des insiders chez Shadow, pendant longtemps et toute la durée de leur programme il y'a environ deux ans. Pour ceux qui ont pu bénéficier d'une offre de service en avance sur son temps, c'était vraiment de l'or en barre. J'ai vu des bugs monstrueux mais aussi des phases de jeu incroyablement fluides pour un service de cloud computing (et non pas de cloud gaming à 100% contrairement aux apparences).
Malheureusement, je me suis toujours dit que ça resterait dans la niche du geek avec un peu de moyens.
En espérant que la reprise des actifs puisse les faire évoluer à nouveau et que, au passage, les salariés ne finissent pas dans un trou du Pôle-Emploi.
Oh, look what I dropped here.
It legit works if you have a decent connection and live in close enough to the data center there is a LTT video about it that is fairly accurate.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to play anomaly on maxed settings on a £400 laptop.
Probably not. Your computer has a weak processor that might work, but not well. It has onboard graphics (As far as I can tell) which won't cut it, and only 6Gb ram, where 16GB is pretty much needed, additionally you need an SSD where your computer only has an HDD. Essentially it fails at every requirement.
Now, all is not lost - Have a look at cloud computing! Shadow gaming is the most well known, but there are a few others. If you aren't familiar with the term, essentially it means you rent a virtual computer and run it through your older hardware.There are several plans, but are reasonably cheap, and if you have good internet and want to squeeze the most out of your laptop. I'll have a look at some examples and put them in an edit.
I got lazy, just look them up. Shadow is probably the best bet though.
Shadow PC is probably your best option. Just keep in mind that the company earlier this year went through some major financial troubles (bankruptcy), and that wait-times for having your Shadow activated can be rather long.
I want GameStop to buy a cloud based streaming platform like shadow.tech with all this cash in hand. It would fit into their biz model and they have a former Amazon/Sega CEO in Mike Fischer.
nvidia is your biggest choice
but there are smaller ones with more flexibility
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Luna is garbage.
Stadia had a big blow when google shutdown their in house game development team. Its a signal there there was not money to be made in publishing games on its own platform.
Stadia isn't a different platform.
You can already play SC on normal cloud gaming services like Shadow, just not exclusive-store ones like Stadia/GeForce because those stores demand a massive cut of the sales.
They've said they're not working on any console version but won't rule it out if the console companies would let them do what they want (crossplay and free updates).
Yes, you are charged before activation on a preorder basis... That's how preorders work.. You are told the estimated activation time before you pay anything. You are not charged anymore until 1 month after activation. For the money problem that is for your own judgment, but Shadow promises to deliver upgrades free of charge over the lifetime of the service. For the rest, you are free to read the ToS of Shadow. And if it doesn't make sense for you, you are free to move on from this service and not bother with it, nobody is holding you here.
There are some options to pay and stream game (basically PC for rent), like https://shadow.tech. It's not an insignificant cost, but beats buying PC.
Other than that, if I was stranded without my PC... I'd invade my friends house. Or make new friends to have a house to invade.
I hope all goes well though and you get to play when the time comes! <3
Damn, it's so silly being an adult.
Exactly! We bought the 4K when it first came out and played about 3 games before realizing there wasn’t really much left to play on it. We instead continued to play games on our Wii and then bought a switch last year. I don’t think we’ve actually used the 4K in our living room in almost two years now. And TBH, I really want to pay 5-10$ for a mobile game like angry birds. Or a little more if there’s more substance like GTA. I don’t have any games on my phone at this point. It has so much potential, especially with a game vice or steel series etc.
I think the next big thing is going to be cloud gaming like shadow.tech and I wouldn’t put it past Apple to block shadow once they realize you could run anything from your iPhone with it.
Y'as un collegue au bureau qui vient de recevoir son Shadow (https://shadow.tech/) et ça marche rudement bien ! On est sur la fibre et y'as quasiment pas de lag (on arrive sans problème à jouer à battlefront par exemple).
Moi qui voulait mon monter une grosse tour, je vais me prendre ça plutôt.
I don't know. Shadow.tech is €29,99 per month. After five years, that adds up to € 1800. I think it's fair to say that any laptop you buy today for that amount will last you five years, and will still have some resale value.
So my advice would be to buy a new laptop instead of paying for shadow.tech. There are financing schemes available that bring the initial cost down, so I think you could make that work for a similar monthly cost.
If you're looking for a *gaming* machine, shadow.tech might be worthwhile because of the ludicrous cost of graphics cards these days, and the convenience of not having to find the space in your home for a proper gaming rig.
There are few things you gotta think before you go into it. Tbh I have been there; I had a Desktop which was horribly slow and here I was trying to compile C/C++ code in it. The build was so damn slow that just to build Clang LLVM took around, forget around entire day!
So starting from yours first I believe you live in India (I am from India as well) so as PabloDons mentioned, and sorry I don't think you'll be able to use shadow.tech as they don't have any servers in or near India, therefore you will be forced to Europe or Americas (and the ping will ruin your day) and second that they probably will cost you quite much as the payment itself will be according to the country that you'll select.
And now coming to EC2, AWS EC2 free tier offers a shitty machine so you'll probably want to rev up a bit to get a better one, but again you will have to look for it since EC2 is majorly for server hosting and built that way.
Finally since you're gonna be using Photoshop and JAVA I would suggest to make sure to have a good look around GPU and RAM that you're going for.
This is just consideration, I bought a new laptop for myself since compiling Cpp code in cloud was worst experience in my opinion, however if you're able to afford more CPUs that might be a better bet.
Check out this service. It basically gives you access to a cloud PC, so you could set up the server, then people would connect to it. Instead of connect through your internet.
There might also be a way to rent a terraria specific server. But you'd have to look for it on Google. I haven't ever checked.
> If your getting constant lag and irregular res ect 9/10 its something your doing wrong. I have a 36mb local connection and Im on ethernet and I get no lag or no blurryness.
Can we please stop replying to people having issues with "It works for me, so it's obviously a problem on your end." Yes, it might be a problem with their connection or PC, but it might also be a problem with the specific Shadow datacenter that they connect to (I remember there were several people connecting to the California datacenter who were all having the same or similar issues at one point while everyone else was fine) or it might be some programming error that makes Shadow work fine on your PC configuration but not theirs. It's fine to let people know that you aren't having an issue so they can use that information to help rule out what's going wrong, but to say that means it must be their fault is just rude and insulting.
> If your using Wifi and no ethernet, shadow on website even tell you that its not recommended using wifi and you will not get the best service possible so that's not on them.
That's not even true. From the website:
> For a great streaming experience with Shadow, all you need is a stable internet connection and a device capable of playing HD videos.
>Shadow works with all types of connections, from Fiber to DSL and even 4G LTE.
> Wired connections through Ethernet or 5 GHz Wi-Fi routers provides the best experience.
So hear me out. Check this out https://shadow.tech/usen/. It’s a Virtual Machine service. Pay a monthly fee and you get access to a computer in a data center. They are good computers with decent GPU, CPU, and RAM. It’s what I used on my shit laptop when I moved the only warning is that there is a wait time for activation cause they have to assemble and configure the machine.
Laptop won't cut it. If you search this thread though, look for something called shadow tech: https://shadow.tech/usen
1) Do you live in one of these places: https://shdw-assets.herokuapp.com/images/home_us_map_2x.png
if so continue
2) sign up for $30 with shadow tech - you are renting a remote VR capable computer. 3) get virtual desktop and steam and steam vr and elite dangerous on your remote computer from shadow 4) sideload (see FAQ on this subreddt) the virtual desktop apk to your quest 5) using many steps documented elsewhere, you'll run elite on the computer in the cloud, and it will pipe directly to your quest.
Tell me if it works and then I'll do it too :-\
There is, kind of. A while back i used a service called shadow, which is basically just an powerfull full blown gaming pc in the cloud.
I also installed UE4 on this machine and it was working like a charm.
"We will announce more details about hardware upgrades later this year. This includes upgrades to the Shadow base offer, as well as hardware you will be able to power-up with via your customer account."
https://shadow.tech/en-gb/blog/teamshadow/shadow-is-evolving
It's on its way apparently. Not exactly sure when it will be added to GeForce Now. Alternatively I've used Shadow for cloud gaming on my Surface Tablet and it was fine.
Use the internet speed test on Shadow's website. Choose your state and start the test. The location of the data center will show right underneath the graph.
Total BS: You are literally downgrading US-based shadow ultra folks now to boost because you are shutting down US-based data centers as a part of your "reorganization"... in complete contradiction to your news post "Your Shadow subscription will remain fully functional, as usual. There are no impacts on the service." Source: https://shadow.tech/blog/news/a-new-beginning-in-sight-for-shadow
Your product is apparently nothing but snake oil now. I wouldn't count on retaining any good reputation with moves like this. Time to go back to building our own PC's since we clearly can't trust cloud service providers to provide their service...
I finally got my Shadow PC setup last night, and the first thing I played with was Google Earth.
Depending on where you live, this might be worth while. I was looking at parts, and for a lower end rx 580 based system, I'd be doing $800 CDN, and about $1500 CDN for the 3070 I'd love to buid. Vs. $20/CDN per month. So yeah, in 3.3 years of shadow that would be the cost of a lower end PCVR, but I'm also sure that if Shadow doesn't go bankrupt/kaput that there will be hardware upgrades for base Boost level.
So, I currently don’t have a PC capable of running Star Citizen. BUT I have a 10 year old potato laptop that runs windows 10 (32bit). I found a service called Shadow, which streams a high end PC over the web (as long as you have a stable internet connection). I’ve been using it for about a week now with next to no latency.
If you have a stable internet connection I’d highly recommend it! If you like you can use my referral code to get £10 off your first month. It’s TAYKRJYY, I’ll also leave some more specs for you below.
GTX 1080 equivalent up to 4K, 12 GB RAM and 1GB Upload and Download speeds. If you want to learn more check out this below.
Really wish to know if Shadow gaming (shadow.tech) is working. Last time I tried before unsubscribing from their service I couldn't get past the Windows login (shadow.tech provides a full dedicated Windows, not only a game service).
I just started using Shadow Blade Streaming on my 2015 MacBook Pro 15”. It’s fucking amazing. I don’t know what the graphics card is off hand, but I’m running games at 4K no problem. $35/mo gets you a dedicated PC (stored elsewhere) that you use through an app. The company updates the software (runs windows 10, so you can play all games) and it’s amazing. I’m playing games my laptop would never be able to handle. There is no discernible lag, though maybe a pro esports player would notice in competitive games. I’m surprised I don’t see more hype, because it’s real deal.
The service is https://shadow.tech and it's basically a GPU rental via streaming. It's a bit pricey at $35 per month but it gets you the equivalent of a dedicated 1080ti on whatever device you want to play on.
It appears to have a Linux client available. Under the right pricing and circumstances, I can see a situation where Linux users can eventually go with a service like this and ditch dual booting, VM's and wine completely.
I do data analytics with sports betting, build and host websites for clients, and have a cloud gaming PC (Shadow).
All of these can be replaced by the sonm network eventually I hope
I’m on a Mac. Up until recently I was using a 2009 iMac but have upgraded to a 2020 Mini. I’ve been using a Shadow cloud computer to run a variety of games, including STO, for the past year or two.
It’s a bit on the pricey side but you get an entire and decent PC to do with what you will, and assuming your internet connection is strong, there’s no noticeable input lag.
I don't like it. I like the approach of "Shadow" (https://shadow.tech/) way more. I just want my PC in the CLOUD. I dont want a new library only on Stadia. I just want to start: Steam, Epic, GOG etc. and use my library.
Imagine what could Stadia have been if a small company like shadow can deliver such a good product with the right concept.
You could play through something like Shadow or on Azure with Parsec(or just Parsec if you have a gaming PC, but just want to play on a tablet or whatever too), but no way to install the game natively on Android or iOS.
> Distance from what
Distance from the shadow datacentres. The closet shadow datacentre would be the Paris, France datacentre for you. Go here, select France and run a speedtest. https://shadow.tech/en-gb/requirements/internet-speed-test
You want the ping to be no more than 30 for an ideal experience.
https://shadow.tech/terms-of-use
>Blade shall inform the User if it wishes to change the price of the Services, by giving a reasonable period of notice before the date the change takes effect. In the case of price increases, Users will therefore be required to agree to the new price conditions if they intend to continue their subscription contract after the date the new conditions take effect. They can do so via the pop-up containing a description of the new conditions and which appears the first time the User connects after Blade has adopted the new price conditions, if applicable, or through any other means Blade chose to inform the User. If the User has not agreed to the new price conditions by the date they take effect, Blade may, at its sole discretion, (a) cancel the subscription at the end of the current Subscription Period on the date the new conditions take effect, (b) keep on providing the Services at the same price, or (c) transition the User subscription to the plan which is most similar to the User then-current subscription.
Realistically they'll likely give people the option to cancel if on the one year plan.
If they don't then in the USA you could dispute it with your credit card company and almost certainly win.
Likely worst case you could change the payment information to a prepaid card with $5 on it.
Absolute worst case call your credit card company and report your card stolen and they should change the number to where recurring transactions won't go through.
Chrome OS cannot run any games from the following services:
- Steam
- GOG
- the Microsoft Store
- battle.net
- EA Origin
- ubisoft Uplay
- Epic Game Store
- Nintendo eShop
- Apple App store
The only games that work on Chrome OS will be from the Google Play Store.
I would recommend you sign up for shadow, which let's you stream a Windows Game PC (which will work with GOG) over the internet. This will allow your Chrome OS computer to play Windows games.
In addition, the game you downloaded did not slow your computer down. Just make sure to go to your downloads folder and delete whatever you downloaded since it'll be useless and just takes up storage space on your computer.
Of GeForce NOW, since that uses your Steam library.
I also recently heard of Shadow which is more of a virtual machine instead of streaming but accomplishes roughly the same purpose.
https://shadow.tech/requirements/internet-speed-test/
There you go
Actually, experience from turkey might be bad, friend of mine is german with family in turkey and uses his shadow when he visits them. He doesn't recommend tho, the delay can be awful.
Always remember data center for germany isn't actually in germany but in amsterdam (usually) which is even further away.
Funny coincidence: I bought hl alyx and virtual desktop and installed steam and everything on my shadow pc ~ 3 hours ago and am right back from playing that game.
It runs beautifully. There is a few seconds stuttering every 10 minutes or so but still: It runs great. My shadow pc is the smallest one (shadow boost) and I left basically everything at defaults and did not follow any tuning guides regarding shadow, virtual desktop or hl alyx.
My wifi at home and internet connection is pretty ok tho. The shadow pc speed test https://shadow.tech/requirements/internet-speed-test/
measures 720mbit down, 20mbit up, ping 19ms and jitter 15ms via wifi.
You can test your connection to the shadow servers here: https://shadow.tech/requirements/internet-speed-test/
Also I believe the only rally supported VR is the Quest and Quest 2.
If it's helpful, I use a MacBook Air and play PC games using the Shadow service (https://shadow.tech); it gives you a virtual PC (we call it a Virtual Machine in the IT world; essentially a Windows 10 computer in a data center), with the ability to install anything you want. I opted to go this route, rather than buy a full gaming PC...I'll get five years of shadow service for what it'd cost to build a good PC. I'm playing PUBG and most other games at ultra settings with no issue.
Anyway, might be a good option for your friend. Let me know if you want more details or have questions!
I already owned the game , and the services starts at 9.99
I prefer shadow since it’s a full fledge pc, windows detect the aspect ratio of the fold display and renders the game on high resolution without cropping
The lag depends on your connection and your controller , my connection gives me a 12ms ping and the controller is usb c so no Bluetooth lag there
Anything “wired” like the Gamesir X2 or the razer Kishi should work out fine , but even playing on my chrome cast with an Xbox controller feels pretty native
There’s a shadow speed test you can try if you’re interested
A couple of extra notes:
shadows gives you access to the whole windows , so gray area stuff like emulator or games on unsupported services like epic games work here , which is why I prefer it over stadia
Ps4 and switch controller while supported natively on Android , have a build it input lag that affects services like this , is the reason why services like xcloud or stadia recommend official controllers , if you want to use a console game pad and a clip go for the Xbox one
If someone can afford at least $15 a month, have decent internet, and want to wirelessly play games that their PC can't run (including VR using virtual desktop), I wholeheartedly suggest them.
At this time, both the Shadow Ultra and Infinite plans are not out yet in the US. You can sign up for our Shadow Ultra & Shadow Infinite mailing list here to be notified of more information: https://shdw.me/ultra_inf_list
You'll need to have an active Shadow Boost subscription before you can subscribe to Shadow Ultra or Infinite when it is available. To see the tech specs, please visit our page: https://shadow.tech/usen/discover/specs
Once we have more information to share, we will also be posting that information and updating the community via our forums. Please feel free to join our forums for the latest announcements: https://forum.shadow.tech/
Sadly he‘s right, it‘s in there:
Paragraph „Servers“
> The User further acknowledge and agrees that, to ensure optimal allocation of its IT resources, Shadow® uses a remote computer > automatic shut down and/or standby mechanism. In this respect, given that the User is warned in advance before Shadow® is shut down > or put on standby, Blade shall not be held liable for the resulting loss of data.
Also should be mentioned the Paragraph „Code of Conduct“: > The User is also prohibited from misusing the Services, or helping a third party to do so. In particular, but without limiting the foregoing, when using the Services, the User is prohibited from: ... > hampering or attempting to hamper, in any way whatsoever, the proper functioning of the Services, and in particular, disabling, altering, infringing or circumventing, or attempting to disable, alter, or circumvent, in any form whatsoever, any device or feature of the Services, in particular any security or authentication feature, access restriction, storage limit, or any standby or shut down mechanism, or providing Blade with false or inaccurate information, or accessing, modifying or using non-public areas of the Services or common areas of the Services which you are asked not to access; ...
Source: Shadow TOS
A notification was sent out from NVIDIA and from Valve letting all developers know about streaming on GFN and if they wanted to opt-out they could. This is entirely Hinderland's fault and them wanting to double dip in the license to purchase, and the license to stream. Keep in mind other services that are less well known, such as Shadow, where they give you a dedicated PC in the cloud for streaming has had no issue with these developers that are pulling out of GFN. This is entirely a money grab for all of them, and hurtful for consumers. Services like GFN will only succeed if it's profitable. It's going to be much less profitable if NVIDIA has to pay for GPU, hardware infrastructure, network infrastructure, and now has to work out agreements with developers to pay them. A large reason why Netflix increased their subscription, stopped licensing tons of content within the first few years of their service, and likely why they started their own studios and exclusives. It will be even harder for NVIDIA as there are a lot more developers and indie developers, whereas Netflix bought out licensing from major studios.
okay "Real gamer" Lmao
So you have an amazing IPS, amazing router and all the settings are set right and still getting lag? Unless you are accessing Shadow from the moon you should be buzzing with your setup.
Now if you tell me you are also located close to a Shadow data center and still getting lag then I'd leave it to the rest of the community to help you uncover this great mystery. Jesus!
Shadow works for me and many others, writing an angry reddit post won't help you much but this might https://shadow.tech/int/faq
I assume you are not playing a lot of current games if you playing with a mac book...
A good computer which can run star Citizen in a decent quality will cost about $1000 - $1500, even more, if you want to play it in 4k.
shadow.tech costs around 15€ a month for a virtual machine and will be updated continuously. Boredgamer is sponsored by them and you can get a discount by using his code.
Maybe consider this to save up some money
Seems like he’s talking about this. Don’t know anything about it but just found it on google.
Edit: comparison with stadia link https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/google-stadia-vs-shadow/
I completely agree, not so much with a Hackintosh, but if you planning on doing something that does require a large amount of compute performance it might be worth looking into some other options besides just buying a new machine, for example, https://shadow.tech/gben (I'm aware its aimed at gaming, however, system specs are capable of most things and runs a completely unlocked operating system, I can't confirm it but I believe it may also run macOS)
Update 1: I am seriously beginning to doubt the qualifications of the helpdesk.
I report a problem where on the shadow the CPU hits 100% and locks up completely regularly, and the questions i get are about my internet connection, and the advice to try their beta app to connect...
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Am i using the same shadow.tech as everyone else? Because this service and the support come across as not so very good....
Nah mate, Shadow (https://shadow.tech/gben) is the service used here and it is far better as GeForce Now is a closed platform. You can only play the games they allow you to play. Shadow is a Windows 10 VM in the cloud, so you can play whatever game you want.
Hi Guy,
I had a look on your service Softdrive, this is a great idea that reminds me shadow a great startup we have in France, you should have a look on what they are doing, this is very inspiring.
From what you present on your website, there are missing informations: I've read your pitch on this reddit post, but I can't find back all these information on your website, so it's difficult to understand what Softdrive is doing just only by visiting the website.
I also think that your 600px home page picture could be ameliorated with a better picture quality.
Also, the part on "Open the app on your phone" is great, but need also some more explanations? Is it really what am I going to see on my phone?
Good luck with your project,
Sounds great!
You could also try https://shadow.tech/ that worked awesome for me
Unfortunately, they promised upgrades. But instead they changed their subscription to double the price. Thats when I left.
I have a gaming computer, so Shadow was just to test since I'm interested in Cloud gaming. But as one provided here aswell, try GeForce Now. Stadia from Google does offer some games aswell. Or maybe Luna from Amazon (no experience here on that one yet). It depends on the games you play, maybe of these cloud services offer what you want.
I have yet to find a RDP to just connect to my own computer without lag. Unfortunately all of them are not yet good enough.
Stoked for this also, pre-ordered yesterday. It is so funny that people complain that they aren't getting 3080 performance for their $4/month account. You didn't grow this service for Nvidia, there is a high likelihood they are losing money on every founder member at that price. Go spin up a gaming quality cloud instance at AWS, GCP, Azure, report back what the cost per hour is. Compute, memory, storage and GPU isn't free, stop being stupid.
Shadow.tech just about died, and still could by having a pricing model that WAS NEVER EVER GOING TO BE PROFITABLE. If you don't like it, go build your own gaming rig and put a 3080 card in it. Let us know what it cost
It would certainly take some effort to get working but you could likely install linux using crouton, it will run side by side with chrome OS, youll be able to swap between the 2 seamlessly, and then a cloud gaming service like this
https://shadow.tech/
I'm un sure if free alternatives exist that was from a quick google and it seems they have linux support.
Hope my experience can be helpful. I've been obsessed with having only one device to do everything and soon realized that samsung with dex and s pen support was the way to go for me. I've been using dex since the s9 (now I'm a proud owner of a fold 3)and can assure you that adding cloud services to the "dex experience" is GREAT. I tried a couple of services by now but the things I've settled with are Shadow (https://shadow.tech/) to substitute a PC (if you prefer the mac approach I know of the existence of macincloud) even with a powerful one ( deals with gaming, video editing, and matlab with no problems) and to satisfy my gaming habit Stadia, I found it MUCH higher quality than xcloud or GFN and don't need to pay for subscription, I like paying only for the games I play. Shadow by itself is great for playing, I used it as my only platform for a couple of years but I prefer the more console like experience with stadia thanks to the controller and chromecast support. In any case, even on 4G (so I would say from 15mbps) I can assure you that you'll rarely encounter any sort of latency or annoying video artifacts. I can also suggest to use Andronix to get some local more advanced stuff done on Linux in the rare occasions Internet is not available.
I don't think you can. As far as I know, mods aren't really supported with GeForce now, and you can't manually add files. The only way to get mods running is if you subscribe to them from Steam's workshop, and wait for them to download from the game launcher in GFN. This works with EU4 and HOI4.
Darkest hour has no Workshop support. I have never tried it, but i think this might be useful to you https://shadow.tech/. from what i know it's a service where they provide you with a gaming VM for a monthly fee. You can download steam, and mod the in-game files there. Downside is it takes a long time for them to provision a VM
This is the Ghost in the picture within thi article done by Shadow about my son. https://shadow.tech/blog/teamshadow/cloud-gaming-changed-my-life-youtube-star
I added a decal/skin on my Ghost that why it is blue from https://www.xtremeskins.co.uk
Why are we introducing a new offer?
Over the years, we thrived in many ways - but being at the forefront of this computing revolution also comes with its unknowns and challenges.
We found ourselves financially exposed with an unsustainable business model. Large operating costs and investments were not well aligned to our price point, inevitably dragging the company down to a cash strapped halt.
With the risk of Shadow ceasing to exist, hubiC’s takeover of Blade breathed a new life into the company. This new chapter gives us the privilege to start on new, sturdy financial grounds, so we can continue to provide you with the best damn cloud computing service out there.
But in order to do so, and ensure you can use Shadow for years to come, we are introducing a new offer, with an adjusted price plan, that will pave the way for Shadow to reach profitability.
With this new change, you can expect Shadow to progress and evolve much faster. This is our commitment to a healthy, long term future that will accelerate all sides of our business.
https://shadow.tech/en-gb/blog/teamshadow/shadow-is-evolving
No way to tell if a cheaper plan will be available in the future, but we would be talking a few years away if anything.
https://shadow.tech/en-gb/blog/teamshadow/shadow-is-evolving
Hubic did, the owner of that is CEO of OVH. The terms aren't with OVH though.
Shadow, un PC cloud sorti un an avant Google Stadia, et un vrai environnement Windows, pas juste une console de jeu en streaming.
Il a ses défauts (notamment la disponibilité des box et l'impossibilité d'utiliser un VPN), mais j'apprécie le fait de ne plus me taper l'achat, la place, et l'entretien d'une unité centrale.
Well there is shadow (https://shadow.tech) but I don't know if it's a good idea to buy something from them, since the company that owns Shadow (Blade) got bankrupt. They said it wouldn't impact Shadow, but I still wouldn't trust it.
Nice answer! This is pretty spot on.
It's quite unlikely for Golem to be able to end up being used as a decentralized alternative to something like shadow tech. Probably at least not in the next 10 years.
If yo have a fast internet connection, there are some services out there like GeForce Now and Shadow that allow you run games on a cloud PC. I haven’t tried them myself since I’m mostly a console gamer, but they seem promising.
My internet isn't the best for GeForce now. it runs but not great. On the M1 mac mini its always silent even when gaming. It's crazy how powerful this little chip is. But if i get better internet which I'm working on I plan to re-subscribe to shadow.tech wich is a full windows 10 pc in the cloud that you can game or do what ever with. but a 10 down 1 up internet connection GeForce now just struggles works but struggles same with shadow so local is the only option for now
Via https://shadow.tech/en-gb/blog/teamshadow/shadow-is-evolving
"The future of Shadow is centralized around our new base offer, called Shadow. You will be able to power up its performance and purchase add-ons (like additional storage) within your customer account.
We will announce more details about hardware upgrades later this year. This includes upgrades to the Shadow base offer, as well as hardware you will be able to power-up with via your customer account."
If you really want to play you can rent a month of time through Shadow and install it that way. Basically Shadow is a service that lets you rent time with a computer that they own and you stream it. And it looks like you might not be able to stream it through your computer because it's too old, but they do have an iOS/Android app. So you could (given you have over 15mbps internet speed) technically play NGS on your phone lol.
So you got an invitation to their VR beta program?. This means you have a low-latency 100 Mbit/s Internet connection, are in the US and already have an Oculus Quest headset, correct?
Microsoft lists the GTX 1080 as its minimum required GPU for VR in this game. The same page also says that 16 GB of RAM are required, whereas the streaming service has only 12. It should work, but probably not very well.
I have a GTX 1080 in my PC and also a 4 core, 8 thread CPU (which is incredibly vague, by the way), the game and a VR headset (Samsung Odyssey Plus), so if you tell me that you're willing to wait until some time tomorrow, I'll test how good local performance is. I should note that my headset has the exact same display resolution as the Oculus Quest 1, but a lower resolution than the Quest 2. I do not know the output resolution of your streaming service offers in VR.
Due to the current company situation new orders have been estimated a few months longer than usual. However, it's just an estimation.. It could be a lot shorter, depending on what happens in the coming months.
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https://shadow.tech/en-gb/blog/news/shadow-is-entering-a-new-era
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Activation times depend on region. Other regions have shorter waiting times, while others are experiencing higher demand and/or less supply which increases the waiting time.
Update as of 15th April as follows:
The beginning of a new chapter is in sight - with just about two weeks (yes, really two weeks) to go.
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[WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW]
Earlier this week, the two companies bidding to take over Shadow presented their cases to the French administrative judge. The court will now review all available materials and make its final decision on April 30, 2021.
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The good great news:
both companies submitted very strong bids, and we can safely say both bidders are committed to continue and grow the business.
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Once the buyer has been chosen, we will work with them closely to announce our joint vision of the future of Shadow, and will get cracking on making the service the best damn thing you’ve ever experienced.
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It’s been a long and hard road, but regardless of the outcome, it’s made one thing clearer than ever:
We are grateful to have a community as magnificent as you, and couldn’t be more fortunate to enter this next chapter with you by our side.
Due to the current company situation new orders are to be a significantly longer wait than they were before, this wait time is indicated before ordering.. However, it's just an estimation.. It could be a lot shorter, depending on what happens in the coming months.
https://shadow.tech/en-gb/blog/news/shadow-is-entering-a-new-era
Due to the current company situation new orders are to be a significantly longer wait than they were before, this wait time is indicated before ordering.. However, it's just an estimation.. It could be a lot shorter, depending on what happens in the coming months.
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https://shadow.tech/en-gb/blog/news/shadow-is-entering-a-new-era
Get Shadow PC and use the Virtual Desktop App. I have the OG Quest 1 and play a ton of PCVR games (Half Life:Alyx, Boneworks, Fallout 4, Skyrim) just fine. There are a ton of YouTube videos on how to set everything up.
I'm not a shill for Shadow, it's just a great service if you don't have a gaming PC.
I don't really know much about it, but I've been around here a few months now and seen it brought up many times.
As I understand it, it's essentially "streaming" the services of powerful gaming rig. While my computer was a beast 10 or so years ago, it's so outdated now that I can't even use this service, so I didn't really investigate it.
But getting a Q2 has turned out to mean that it's finally time to put together another beast. So I won't need Shadow.
What kind of network is it? There isn’t any chance one iPad is connecting at 2.4 and the other is connecting at 5, is there? Are you able to replicate a connection difference if you use Shadow’s test (do you see a ping or loss or other difference here: https://shadow.tech/requirements/internet-speed-test/ )?
Microsoft working on DaaS - Desktop as a Service too, which will be a good solution for businesses. But for me, Shadow good enough, can play wide range of PC games, run almost any standard windows software (Adobe, MS, whatever).
Not that I'm a massive advocate of Shadow, it isn't perfect, but it's good enough that I do now regret spending just over £1.5K on a laptop that I'll never get my money's worth out of.
I can carry RDR2 in my pocket. It needs better USB peripheral support.
That's literraly write in the Terms of use. That's prohibited.
https://shadow.tech/terms-of-use
But if you are EU and especially in France ( go leboncoin) if you are USA I'm pretty sur you can find one on craiglist or some other webiste.
You can technically order from an unsupported country if you use an address from one of the official countries. Currently, Chicago or Texas have the fastest activations (end of next month).
The yearly plan is charged monthy, but you are locked in. Monthy plan is more expensive, but you can leave whenever.
You say lag is not a concern, but considering how far away you are from any of the servers, especially in the US, the lag will most likely make it impossible to even use the web. You could try looking into the new servers in Korea as those are probably closer and would give you better results than the US ones. Here's a link to test your connection: https://shadow.tech/requirements
I don't know about using a VPN on the client, but I know you can't install one on Shadow.
Bandwidth usually just refers to the download speed of your internet as upload speed is mainly irrelevant for Shadow (unless you plan to use a webcam or something).
Here's a link to test your connection to Shadow: https://shadow.tech/requirements/internet-speed-test/
There are new classes of applications coming online / already exist. The first wave of applications that depend on UWB are streaming AAA games. Low band isn't good enough. UWB is good enough. The vendors are:
- Google (Stadia)
- Amazon (Luna)
- Microsoft (xCloud)
- Sony (PS Now)
- Nvidia (GeForce Now)
Many of these apps are available right now on iOS and Android. Stadia and GFN just recently released PWA apps for iPhone (within the past few weeks). Other classes of applications are being designed and built specifically to target UWB capability. Again, this is just the first wave.
Note that crossbuy games are only for games purchased on the Oculus Rift/Quest store; not for steam. Oculus has no family share plan, so if you wanted your nephew to play Quest games you bought for Rift, it would require you letting him use your Oculus account.
A clear version of what others have said is that to play Steam/Rift games on the Quest, a VR capable PC setup is needed. However, there are a few options for where the PC is setup.
- At his house. Most costly, but least prone to problems once it's setup. You can either use Oculus Link software for free (plus a good quality active USB cable (it doesn't have to be the fairly expensive Link cable)), or the more complicated instructions in option 2.
- At your house. Buy Virtual Desktop on Quest for him. Install SideQuest (free) on his Quest (instructions on their site). Install the patch for Virtual Desktop to do game streaming. Install the streamer on your computer with your Nephew's Oculus username. Stop the streamer whenever you want to play, and start it when you're done (or just use IM to arrange that he won't be playing when you are). Note; this requires you to be able to upload 35mbps+ and him to be able to download 35mbps+ . I consider 32 mbps my Lowest threshold for adequecy of VR streaming.
- Get a Shadow account for him, and follow the above steps for option 2, except the VD streamer app is installed on the Shadow PC. This still requires nephew to have 35mbps+ download. Boost is fine for gaming. I (and others using Chicago data centre especially) have been having problems during prime time (6:30pm - 11pm EST). Sometimes people can't even login during prime time.
Options 1 and 3 assume Steam Family Share setup.
No, good internet is needed for Shadow PC as it's a cloud PC service over the internet. Means you don't actually have to physically own a PC yourself:
I would definitely do this if the service was available in my country, and we had the infrastructure.
Yes, there are other streaming services that just give you remote access to a PC and thus allow pretty much all games to be streamed. But they are very expensive.
For example Shadow:
> do you have any ideas what might eventually drive the bandwidth usage?
It's always fun to think about. First I would say it's more about burst usage than saturation. today I pay for 1Gb instead of the 100Mb plan because a file that would take me an hour to download/upload on the 100Mb takes me 6 minutes on gig. This is a real example because I routinely upload 50GB video files. If I could cut this down to 40 seconds with 10Gb for a reasonable price, I would do it.
For realtime - it could be VR actually. I also thought VR was way too latency sensitive to even work streaming. Virtual Desktop on the Quest proved me wrong. Add in edge computing and streaming VR is not off the table. People are doing it today even! https://shadow.tech/blog/news/shadow-vr-exploration And people are projecting 2Gb+ bandwidth needs on the high end: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/VR-network-requirements-bandwidth-and-latency_tbl1_319049968
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ShadowPC is a subscription service where you pay to use a computer and it's hardware, it takes time to set the hardware up though so you can't just pay and play straight away you have to wait
If it comes to console that'll be in a while I'd say...
Have you thought about using Shadow? Star Citizen plays fine on it and it's about 13 euros a month in Europe. That's not nothing but a lot easier to find than enough for a gaming PC.
Cheers!
Yes, however for all other headsets except the Quest/Quest2 the PC must do all of the work. I.E. you need a relatively buff gaming rig for PCVR regardless of the headset (E.G. Rift-S, Vive Pro, Index).
Quest/Quest 2 requires a slightly stronger PCVR setup because in addition to the 2 eye frame drawing it needs to encode the video it's creating to stream. 1060 Super 6GB or RX 580 seem to be the lower end video cards that work.
Note, if your PC isn't up for that, try checking https://shadow.tech/ - I'm testing that currently, and last night worked pretty well. I finally got to see google earth which was fun looking at the various places I've lived in a 3d doll house setting.
My biggest problem with Shadow is my desktop can't handle the client, so I needed to setup with my tablet - virtual keyboards such in landscape. But I've got a bluetooth keyboard/mouse that will make shadow on my tablet much better.
I also suggest considering a cloud gaming pc like https://shadow.tech (dis-disclaimer: I am in now way affiliated with them).
Instead of buying a new PC, I just pay $10 / month and play Civ all I want with zero overheating.
Cloud gaming all the way! The service I linked lets you stream a remote Windows 10 desktop with a GTX 1080 GPU. Only downside is that activations take a while for some, if you live in the US you should be up and running in a few hours. With Google Stadia you can stream Red Dead Redemption II. Nvidia GeForce Now is another option. Just make sure you use an ethernet cable or have a very good router if you plan on using wi-fi, that BS you got from your ISP won't cut it.
MacBook Air was not designed for gaming so might as well let someone else do the heavy lifting.
> We need the capability to stream to the phones via a computer for vr.
VR support seems to be in beta. Performance for non-VR games is very good, so VR should work pretty well.
Yep. But then again it's common in the content world for different companies to own exclusive rights. Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, for example. Won't find the same shows on more than one platform.
That said you can still install whatever you want on Shadow, though it's an entirely different business model.
Last I checked, you could continue to access your storage for up to 15 days after canceling your account as long as you were outside of the trial period. But that doesn't extend to any additional storage you were renting. On the other hand, there is very little content that isn't already backed up on the cloud (saved games, workshop mods, game configs, screenshots, etc). And anyone w/ a connection fast enough to enjoy the service should be able to back up the pathetically tiny drives in very little time. With something like this (granting unrestricted, passwordless access to my Steam account w/ personal and financial info.), I'd definitely want my data deleted sooner rather than later.
Games getting worse as you play is a classical symptom of thermal throttling. You’ll have a better time in both Rimworld and CIV6 in Bootcamp than macOS. In Bootcamp, try the drivers from bootcampdrivers.com - Aug Red should work. Also look into undervolting.
Honestly though the 560 is weak — you will need an eGPU or something like https://shadow.tech (a rented windows 10 pc in the cloud that streams the games to your laptop).
Look at my post history for comments with other ideas. I have the same MBP as you and I did an eGPU with a 1070GTX and I didn’t need to undervolt or anything. I can play Witcher 3, WoW, The Sims, and Conan Exiles for hours.
Unfortunately the CPU is soldered in so you can’t change it. For a 2012 you should be able to upgrade the RAM yourself assuming it is a non-Retina Display MacBook Pro. More RAM will help. I think that model can take up to 32GB.
Bootcamp would be significantly better than Parallels as it will have direct access to the hardware. Bootcamp is not virtualized; it is Apple-assisted dual booting. I’d try that before proceeding to below suggestions.
As for the graphics, you’d need to do something like an eGPU with Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter. This is pricey and might not be super great for your use case.
I’d suggest trying something like https://shadow.tech where you rent a Windows 10 computer in the cloud and have it stream the game like video to your laptop.
Does your college allow you to access their computers remotely? Mine does, and it allows me to use the heavier software on a potato laptop. This can save you a lot of money, but there is some hassle with lag and unstable connections, but it's a compromise. Just something to consider.
Alternatively, a subscription service like Shadow allows you to access a powerful desktop system to be able to run more demanding software: https://shadow.tech/int/