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Just some general tips for a new gaming laptop, nothing super specific to Razer:
- Make sure you monitor the internal temps. I use MSI Afterburner for this, it has a nice on screen display of CPU temp, GPU temp, framerate, as well as many other things.
- If your temps are over 85C, it'd be a smart idea to undervolt. At 85C, you're laptop will be close to thermal throttling and will not be good for the longevity of the laptop. Follow this guide to undervolt
- Make sure your fans are not obstructed by anything. If you're ever going to connect your laptop to an external monitor, it'd be a good idea to buy a laptop stand that props the laptop up to increase airflow.
- Not a bad idea to remove the bottom panel and clean out dust with compressed air every 6 months or so
MSI afterburner can graph various things about your hardware including temperatures, fan speeds, memory/gpu/cpu frequencies, cpu/gpu/memory usage, power/voltage and few other things. The beta version has those graphs in overlay too but the normal version can sow the numbers in overlay.
> I want to know how to capture a high quality PNG .
Simplest way? Download MSI Afterburner - ignore the bulk of it - but go in to the settings and set up the "screen capture" tab.
Keep it running while playing SC and you can take a screenshot using the key you designated which will save to the folder you designated.
The screenshot will be the same resolution as you set the game up to run in.
If you want to force high quality screenshots...
...say (6K or 4K) despite not having a monitor that natively plays at that resolution, it gets a little more complicated. It's possible to do it using nVidia DSR or by setting the user.cfg file to allow higher resolutions than you could normally play on.
This can be tricky to get working and (for me) results in crashes.
Ok, something is wrong here, you should be getting way better framerate.
So let's do the usual:
Download DDU and run it in safe mode and make sure all boxes are ticked. This will clean sweap your GPU drivers. Restart so you get back into user mode after DDU has uninstalled the drivers successfully.
Install the latest non-beta drivers from Nvidia's website then restart the PC.
Go to Gaming settings in Windows 10 and disable GameBar.
Run the game and it should be much better, if not:
Go to the .exe of the game, right click it and go to Properties > Compatibility and make sure that "Disable fullscreen optimization" is checked (forces the game into proper fullscreen, otherwise it's in a hybrid fullscreen/borderless mode). Easy way to see that it's working is by changing the volume while ingame. If you don't get the volume slider overlay, it's working.
Get MSI Afterburner so you can check how much resources are being used and how hot your hardware gets.
If your CPU runs hot (hotter than 80 during load) you should re-apply thermal paste.
If everything runs hot, make sure you have a good airflow in your case, open the side panel and run it (can be opened while it's on, won't get shocked)
I don't think there's any real bottleneck in the system, but if that's the case it's definitely the RAM and CPU. The i5-3570 was bottlenecking the hell out of my RX 580 (on par with 1060) in most games, but the 4670K should do a better job. If all else fails, you'll want a new CPU.
You can certainly overclock it.
Download MSI afterburner from here https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
Just increase the sliders on everything a bit. Keep doing it until you start noticing crashes or freezing in whatever program you're stress testing with.
MSI Afterburner + RTSS that actually draws the overlay. Both are bundled together when you download Afterburner.
In summary; use AfterBurner for GPU, use ThrottleStop for CPU (2nd vid) to undervolt which is essential for any laptop since cooling is very limited. You can also use XTU if you're not on AMD.
And while Windows > Power Options > Change Settings > Change Advanced > Processor Power > Max State Lower than 100%, is another powerful solution, not known/used by many and no app for such since its mechanism is different.
So your integrated graphics is your bottleneck. I'd recommend overclocking your graphics using MSI Afterburner, but that will only give you at max 3-5 more FPS.
If you really want to significantly improve your FPS, there's no other option other than to buy a discrete GPU. An RX 560 or a GTX 1050 will yield double the performance than your integrated graphics.
Yeah that's not good. You're probably experiencing some thermal throttling due to the high temperatures, which lowers performance.
I'd recommend installing MSI Afterburner so you can keep an eye on your temps. It's nice because it has an on screen display, I have mine set to show CPU temp, GPU temp, and framerate in the top left corner.
As far as cooling your laptop goes, definitely make sure the fans are not obstructed by anything. But, in my experience, laptop cooling pads to next to nothing to lower temperatures. I'd recommend following this guide on undervolting your CPU. It should drastically help lower your CPU temp and help your PC last longer
MSI afterburner + RTSS, + an fps uncapping tool.
Link to first, second, and third
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I had this exact problem with my gtx 980 and found this thread:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/347564-Crash-in-Geforce-experience
CMDR Luna - Post #4
> Hello CMDR.
>The most commonly used program for checking and altering GPU clock speed would be MSI Afterburner:
>https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
>A lot of the 900 series cards are actually factory overclocked and will cause these D3D Buffer (TDR) errors in ED.
>In general, overclocking is unstable. In our case here, the planets in the game use shader calculations. The shaders stage at the start of the game involves your graphics card being put through timing tests so the game knows when it's safe to ask things of your PC. With an overclocked card, these calculations can unfortunately go wrong.
>In all of the cases I've had so far where the card has been notched down by 50Mhz, the crashes have been completely eliminated.
This is very strange.. I also have a 1080Ti and a 7700k and have constant 144fps @2560x1440, everything on ultra.
Sc2 is an old game and your hardware is super fucking powerful, you shouldn't drop a single frame with that.
I would keep an eye on the temperatures, I recommend MSI Afterburner, (you don't need a MSI card to use it.) You can monitor everything with that, temperatures of CPU GPU, load, and so on.
I guess diskspace isn't a problem? It's also helpful to give windows a fixed pagefile size.
If you have a HDD ,defrag it, also do you a virus scan.
It really shouldn't be a hardware problem, especially because you get the framedrops only in sc2.
If nothing of this helps, I would reinstall sc2.
> Is there any software I could use to track my CPU and GPU usage while I'm gaming
MSI Afterbruner can do that.
> Because of that my PC's CPU flies up to 90-100% when I'm in the character customization screen.
If this is indeed due to Denuvo, as you say, I doubt there is anything you can do about it besides getting a version without the DRM. However, doing some quick online checks seems to indicate the usual CPU usage problem should be non-existent since Injustice 2 does not use VMprotect. Whether this is true or not, I cannot say as I don't know enough about the inner workings of Denuvo.
Perhaps take a look at the background processes to see if there is anything else hogging your CPU clocks. Also verify your temperatures. Since you seem to be on a laptop, thermals might be an issue causing your CPU to throttle. Same goes for the GPU. You can check temperatures as well as usage in MSI Afterburner.
Based on your first image, the display artifacts are appearing in the firmware, even before Windows loads.
I'm sorry, this isn't a driver issue. Your graphics card has likely kicked the bucket and the fact that it happened after a driver update is only a coincidence.
You *may* be able to get it to work semi-properly by installing software such as MSI Afterburner and raising the power limit, as well as reducing the video RAM clock speed; but given that you aren't even able to boot into Windows with the Nvidia drivers installed (MSI Afterburner and similar tools need the Nvidia drivers to work) that may be impossible.
1] download MSI afterburner
https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
2] edit the fan curve so it increases the fan(s) speed quicker (as temp gets hotter)
3] and/or reduce power limit
This is basically what the others have suggested.
Sorry I'm a bit late to the thread, and boy oh boy the amount of useless advice here is ridiculous.
Alright, got that out of my system. Firstly - let me ask - how hot does your laptop get whilst playing? The CPU especially - I'd recommend using a tool like MSi Afterburner to check your CPU and GPU temps whilst playing. It'll give you some information in the top left of the screen when you have it open, which should tell you some important stuff like temperatures and clock speeds, as well as how much your CPU and GPU are getting used. The CPU util stat will be useless however, as PS2 only stresses 2 threads maximum, whilst putting a minor load on all the rest. The CPU utilisation stat averages the amount all 8 threads are getting used, which is not helpful when PS2 only uses 2.
Take a look at what's going on though that first, and we can try figure out the problem. If it is heat issues, then I have a hit-or-miss solution, but honestly I doubt it. It shouldn't really be causing issues in the Warpgate and small fights if it is.
One thing I can say however is that all the guys who are proclaiming your CPU isn't good enough because it runs at 2.8GHz are just plain wrong, because your CPU should be sitting at 3.4GHz if all is well with the system. And trust me when I say there is a huge performance gap between the two.
Sounds like you have an R1, can't upgrade the GPU. You can upgrade the RAM to 16 GB but 8 is probably plenty. Best performance increases would be an SSD (the stock HDD is quite slow). Can get a 500 GB one for $90-$10 e.g.:
https://slickdeals.net/f/11972899-mushkin-enhanced-source-500gb-ssd-80-99
https://slickdeals.net/f/11972939-500gb-or-512gb-sandisk-ultra-ssd-99-w-free-shipping-best-buy-99-99
And use MSI Afterburner to overclock the GPU +135 Mhz core speed (will get you about 10% better FPS. https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
Rainbow 6 usage does seem very high, but the game does have a rare bug with a ~100% CPU usage. Does this occur in other games as well, or just this one?
Make sure that there isn't anything on your PC that's using up your CPU, it would be best to do a scan with Windows Defender and/or Malwarebytes Anti-Malware if you have the time and don't have these programs already.
If you open up task manager and go to the performance tab, can you see that there are 8 threads there, or less? Check how much RAM is being used up and whether you can see anything in the process list (or if the RAM is used by something not on the list).
Can you install Afterburner (or a similar program) and check the CPU usage on all cores whenever your PC seems slow? Use Afterburner to check your CPU temperatures as well. What is your PSU model?
You can find the driver uninstaller here.
Looking through the games it seems like you meet the specs required, so tough call. Aside from /u/blacknight153's suggestions of ensuring your system is up-to-date and clean, I have a couple more areas to check out. First would be the dual graphics. Check in your Radeon control panel to see if it's enabled. If it's not, enable it; if it is, disable it. Then give the games a try and see if that helps. Some games don't like the AMD dual graphics or may not be able to take advantage of it and run into problems. It's suppose to be fairly seamless to the games but doesn't always work out that way in practice. The second one is RAM. This one is more of a look at usage, use something like MSI's Afterburner and use the on screen display (OSD) for CPU/GPU/RAM usage and see what's being hammered. If the RAM is running maxed out then you may be having the lag due to resources having to be pulled from the page file.
Use Afterburner: https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner To overclock your graphics card for a small boost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=442&v=SKWbKCKsWVQ Here's a pretty complicated, but correct way. You can also just mash the power limit to 110%, and increase your memory speed at 50 then 25 mhz intervals until it starts crashing, then back it down.
It is nearly impossible to damage the graphics card by using these settings.
If you ever get heating problems (the CPU or GPU throttling their speed because of overheating), make sure to undervolt your CPU and GPU.
Intel XTU for the CPU
MSI Afterburner for GPU (only works for the 10xx series, not the 9xx series, since the 9xx series has their voltage locked)
Can also be used to undervolt your desktop for when your GPU heats up to a point where all fans start blowing like crazy :)
edit: When I'm talking about the 10xx and 9xx series, I'm talking about the mobile versions. Don't know if the 9xx desktop versions can undervolt or not.
This would depend on where the noise is coming from. With the PC on, and the side panel off/open, take a look. Stop each fan (with a pencil or something), and see which are making the most noise. If it's the case or CPU fans, you shouldn't need to download anything. Go into the BIOS and adjust the fan curves to where you're happy. If it's the GPU you'll need to download and use some software. I personally use, and recommend MSI Afterburner, and no you don't need an MSI card, it'll work with pretty much every graphics card.
You could set a temperature limit with a program such as MSI Afterburner. My 1060 likes to reach over 80°, so I set it to 78° max and still achieve good frames.
It potentially bottlenecks in some games, but it all depends on the game, the graphics settings you're using, etc... Overall as long as you have a 1050Ti I'd say you're mostly fine and relatively balanced.
Upgrading to an 8-core FX would make very little sense as they aren't much better, so unless you can get the upgrade for dirt cheap/free, don't do it and save for a whole new platform.
To check if you do encounter bottleneck, you'll have to check the respective CPU and GPU usage while in game. The other comment suggested that you check the Task manager. It should theoretically work but that is a rather flawed tool to check CPU and GPU usage, especially if you're not on the latest Win10 version which doesn't trach GPU usage.
Download MSI Afterburner (or any other monitoring tool like NZXT CAM or EVGA Precision), set it as an overlay so that you can follow in game :
- GPU usage
- CPU usage core per core (and not as whole).
- you can add : CPU temperature, GPU temperature, RAM usage, to have even more data.
If - with unlocked framerate of course - the GPU doesn't get to 100% usage and at the same time the CPU is nearing 100% usage on one or more cores, you're probably seeing a CPU bottleneck at that very moment.
Task Manager is irrelevant in this regard, it's like a beta in its current form (even MS considers it so), from my experience it only accounts for gfx perf, but not compute. I use Intel HD for my display so to me it actually shows 0% for my GTX cards most of the time.
Use MSI Afterburner to monitor GPU load.
In the options menu there is a FPS cap in the game. You want to reduce it, the default value is 300 FPS.
This is actually a common issue in older games, if you go boot up half life or another game there isnt a cap on FPS or a v-sync option your CPU will pin right to 100% pushing as many frames as possible. 1200 FPS is fun to see but not fun when your fans are cranked as high as they can go.
I found that setting a FPS cap outside of the game works better for me.
To set a custom limit (for example 147 FPS or 85 FPS) you can use a program such as RTSS ( Rivatuner Statistics Server. It comes with MSI Afterburner. You can limit FPS system-wide, or on a per-program basis.) This is what I use. I set the frame-rate limit to be 200FPS in Rivatuner. you can also use MSI afterburner to display things like FPS, CPU usage, GPU usage, Vram load, fan speeds, voltages ect ect. Which can be very useful when a game you are playing is being naughty and you need to figure out which part of your system is causing the issue.
if you have DXtory apparently you can set frame-rate limits in that program also. Nvidia's Inspector program can also set limits.
you can get RTSS standalone, however they recommend you get it with MSI afterburner
Edit again: To be clear: SC's 300 FPS is the default option, you can reduce it from the options menu.
To set a custom limit (for example 147 FPS or 85 FPS) you can use a program such as RTSS ( Rivatuner Statistics Server. It comes with MSI Afterburner. You can limit FPS system-wide, or on a per-program basis.) This is what I use. I set the frame-rate limit to be 200FPS in Rivatuner. you can also use MSI afterburner to display things like FPS, CPU usage, GPU usage, Vram load, fan speeds, voltages ect ect. Which can be very useful when a game you are playing is being naughty and you need to figure out which part of your system is causing the issue.
if you have DXtory apparently you can set frame-rate limits in that program also. Nvidia's Inspector program can also set limits.
edit: you can get RTSS standalone, however they recommend you get it with MSI afterburner
I agree with /u/tristoune, the GPU is the priority. However, what needs to be asked is what are your plans for the system? Are you looking at 1080p gaming, 1440p, 4k, VR, etc? Priority/preference for single player or multiplayer games? And what is your budget? If you know those answers, try hitting up /r/buildapc and see what they suggest.
My quick off the cuff recommendation(s), based on you trying to upgrade a budget system, would be sourcing an Radeon RX 560 4GB (decent, 1080p on low/medium settings) or Geforce GTX 1050ti (better, 1080p on medium/high settings). I would have gone RX 470 as the optimal budget/performance choice a few months ago but the cryptocurrency craze has made those cards stupidly overpriced, even the used ones they are off loading on ebay. Past the GPU the cheap bet for a CPU upgrade would be the FX 8300 series, this way you do not have to change out the mobo/RAM. The new GPU coupled with that will let you game at 1080p with decent performance. The optional, but recommended, third piece would be an SSD, 240gb or bigger, which helps with boot/load times as well as smoother in game area transitions (i.e. the GPU has to wait less time to get resources from the drive).
But first go the GPU route. Then use something like MSI's Afterburner to see if the CPU is holding you back. Should that be the case, then take that next step.
You can use MSI Afterburner coupled with RivaTuner (included in the Afterburner's installer) to monitor temperature in-game (also CPU, GPU, VRAM, RAM usage, only if you're interested).
I bind the on-screen display hotkey to "=" so I can easily toggle it on and off in-game.
It's worth also noting...
MSI Afterburner allows lossless capture of .PNG images as /u/mr-hasgaha talks through here.
nVidia card users can also use GeForce Experience to capture their screen at any time - again in lossless .PNG files. I prefer this method as it's built into my graphics card and doesn't require anything else running in the background - but each to their own.
With respect I found your mode probably the furthest from 'easy' but I guess whatever helps folks to do it :)
In general I like RivaTuner Statistics Server (in particular, bundled with MSI Afterburner) since it tends to be good with frame pacing and works for most games.
Something to check with laptops, make sure it's actually using the dedicated GPU rather than the integrated Intel chip.
If you go to NVidia Control Panel -> Manage 3D Settings -> Program Settings, then make sure Overwatch is set to use "high performance NVIDIA processor" rather than "Integrated Graphics".
Also overheating can sometimes be a problem, and it could be that if the drops are only happening during busy team fights. Do you get audio stuttering/tearing as well?
I noticed massive frame skips and audio stuttering when my laptop started getting too hot. You can use something like MSI Afterburner to set a maximum temperature, and it'll start throttling things if you get too close to that (the high temps cause way more performance issues than the throttling).
Is the video cable plugged into your GPU, not your motherboard? Most common mistake.
Is the PCIe power plug plugged into the GPU?
Download and install msi afterburner (you don't need an MSI card for this to work). It will tell you how fast your GPU and CPU are running, and what temps they're at, while gaming and while at idle.
are you gaming at 1080p? If you're gaming at 4k, ... actually that's still a little low for a 280x but maybe
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Phenom_II_X4_965/GeForce_GTX_1050_Ti/05Y0VZ8A/#tbnForm-238491956
So that is your problem. Major bottleneck. I'm not sure if you have looked into it but unfortunately there is no upgrade path for your current motherboard. To get a better CPU you will need a different motherboard. Your next level upgrade is a different socket.
But underclocking may help. Very simple to do and this link below will get you started
MSI Afterburner: https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner (will need this to underclock)
r/pcmasterrace
There are people there who know way more about this subject from here. I do overclock myself but do not like to provide direction to others myself.
Copy and post this in that sub. Use the flair tech support They will help you out pretty quick.
"Can I underclock a 1050ti to be more compatible with an AMD phenom x4 965? If so what Afterburner settings should I use?"
msi says you can set fan curves
BTW I'm not promising you less noise, just saying you'll likely be able to identify the noise.
But maybe undervolting GPU, producing less heat, might help, or just leave it alone, knowing it's normal.
You can use a program like MSI afterburner.
https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
Although it is known as a GPU over clocking software, it is very good for providing information on a whole of areas.
The best thing you can do now is download and install some diagnostic programs in order to give us better information of whats going on. Download (or google similar) HWinfo64 That will track a huge range of temperatures. MSI Afterburner (nvidia graphics) that monitors / configures your graphics card. And perform a DxDiag.exe on your PC which can give us info on your system config. More info here. The DxDiag part is the first thing that iRacing's support will ask you for. Feel free to PM me the results.
However from my initial opinion of the video you posted.. that sounds like a complete hardware failure. High temperatures, for the most part, windows will close the program and try to run as normal, iRacing would just close and you'd be back at desktop. A 'hard' crash like this is either extreme sudden temperature gains or just a complete failure of some hardware.
> My laptop used to handle Witcher 3, R6:S just fine up until 2 years ago, but now I can't seem to run a single game without massive drops or crashes.
Check your temps while gaming, use something like MSI's Afterburner to see what is happening while you game. I'm betting you're running into thermal issues, considering the age of the laptop, but see what's going on then see what you can do to fix it. We can make recommendations for games but it won't do you any good if your system keeps crashing. edit After you determine the problem, or if you need more troubleshooting help, you can hit up /r/techsupport and/or /r/pcgamingtechsupport for possible solutions.
Oh there are tons, A really popular one is MSI afterburner, which can be found here:
https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
I personally use the paid for version of Aida64, it provides more detailed info on my system.
I think I finally found a fix for this problem after having for about 3-6 months. I tried the solutions from the link of /u/TakanoriIsshin and also a lot of searching.
None of them worked for me. One thing stood out to me after reading what others had tried here and here was trying to overclock or increase the voltage on the GPU. Tried that, did not work.
What finally allowed me to play for more than 5 minutes of Divinity (Not tested other games that have been affected for me yet, will return with results and edit this post) was underclocking it.
To be specific lowering the core voltage by -6 mV. I did this with MSI Afterburner.
Hope this works for other people too.
Sounds like asset movement issues to me. Either more RAM and/or an SSD may clear that up. I'd have a look with Afterburner and see what's going on while you're gaming. Use the OSD to see how the GPU/vRAM/CPU/RAM/Pagefile are all being affected. If the RAM's maxed out while gaming you may be having it push/pull assets from the pagefile which takes extra time. Could be a similar issue with the vRAM, with only 1GB if your textures are set too high it may be doing similar (having to pull assets instead of having them ready). Or could just be the limitations of the hardware, GDDR3 isn't particularly fast as vRAM and/or laptop mobos can be kinda limiting in performance as a whole.
It's probably your integrated graphics letting you down. Before you rush out to by a video card though, download MSI's Afterburner or something similar so you can see exactly what part(s) in your system is being impacted the most, then go from there. But I'm willing to bet it's the iGPU as the CPU and RAM exceed the requirements for the game by a good margin.
There's also a way to lower the resolution of the game below 720p though it impacts the menus and interface negatively so may not be the best option. You can find that in LSG's outdated video, Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm 4: remove shadows and effects for low end computers (Outdated), unfortunately the rest of his tweaks have gone by the wayside in the updates released after the video was made.
On a related note, get yourself a copy of MSI Afterburner. It's a great app that will work with any nvidia card (probably Radeon too, but I haven't tested that). Set a custom fan profile and keep your card cooler.
That's a pretty solid mid range PC you have. In my opinion, I wouldn't overclock unless I needed the absolute best performance from it.
The best program in my opinion is MSI Afterburner, it works even if you don't have an MSI card.
I meant Userbenchmark.
Otherwise the best thing to do would be to monitor the PC while in game, if synthetic benchmarks can't be trusted.
If you don't have it already, download MSI Afterburner. You can either set it up as an overlay, or come back after a match to check on the graphs in the dedicated window.
The values you want to follow are as follow :
- GPU usage, temperature and clockspeed
- GPU usage, temperature and clockspeed ; core per core
- RAM usage
- potentially framerate so you can correlate framedrops with the rest on the graphs.
You want to check that there's no overheating (on the CPU or GPU) while in game.
You also want to check if both the CPU and GPU get to the kind of clockspeeds they should (and not cap at 2.4GHz for the CPU like in Userbenchmark).
Lastly you want to know if there's an obvious performance limit, i.e a component reaching 100% usage before the others.
Yes, that would mean there are two RAM sticks installed, as you would want since it provides the best performance.
Another user linked benchmarks of Destiny 2 at several settings/resolutions, with the 1070 included in the GPUs tested. That seems in the same ballpark.
It's probable that you're expecting too much of your machine : it's by no mean "low-end", but pushing 100+FPS at 1440p is very demanding.
If you want to confirm that your PC is working as it should, you can monitor it while in game.
Download MSI Aftburner (and RTSS which will install alongside it). Then set it up as an overlay (this won't work in Destiny 2 specifically, which banned overlays. you can always come back to Afterburner after a match, and check the graphs window by hitting the "detach" button).
In Afterburner's settings, set it up so you can follow :
- the GPU usage, clockspeed and temperature
- the CPU usage, clockspeed and temperature, core per core
- the RAM usage
- The framerate (+/- frametime).
You want to check whether the GPU gets all the way to 100% usage, which would indicate that it's used to its fullest. In some games that are lighter on the GPU, it's possible that the CPU would be limiting first, though at 1440P I don't expect this to be very often.
You also want to check that the CPU and GPU aren't overheating.
And more specifically, you want to check that they are reaching the clockspeeds they should be reaching : probably around 1700-1800MHz for the GPU, more if your cooling is good ; between 3.6 and 4.2GHz for the processor (the all core turbo boost being at 4.0GHz).
If the gpu temp is too high it will auto downclock you need to run msi afterburner to monitor the stats not sure what a 1080 temp begins to throttle, see google for that.
https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
It might not be the problem but worth a check but ensuring proper case cooling and ventilation should suffice.
Yeah it definitely sounds like your performance is bound by that of your CPU. In BF5 especially, which is very CPU intensive.
As someone else already mentioned, you need to monitor your system to know exactly the scales at stake here.
I'll recommend a different (more complex) tool than HWMonitor though : MSI Afterburner, once you set it up as an overlay, will show up the data directly in an overlay in game, so you can see the values change in real time.
If you have a secondary monitor you can do the same with HWMonitor and put it there. Otherwise it'll only show you the min/max/average, and isn't as indicative.
The values you want to follow are :
- GPU utilization (and temperature while you're there)
- CPU utilization core per core (and temperatures if you wish)
- RAM usage
If your GPU gets to 100% utilization, then the CPU isn't holding it back.
If the GPU gets sub-100% all the time, while at least one CPU core is close to 100% all the time, then the CPU is holding back the GPU. You can get an estimation of the headroom left on the GPU by looking at its own utilization.
It might just need to be cleaned out with new thermal paste applied (GPU could be overheating), you can monitor your CPU/GPU temperatures in game using MSI Afterburner and the OSD feature. If you see your GPU temperatures spiking then that's the issue and it's a quick fix, though if you're buying a 1060 anyway I would suggest doing that first unless you intend to sell the old GPU.
also make sure your laptop is not overheating and causing the CPU to throttle down to avoid damage. I have an alienware laptop that's overheating and FPS would drop mid-game until I figured that was the issue. Had to underclock the GPU (GTX1080) and lock the CPU at 2.7GHz but can now play PUBG with a stable 60fps for hours.
Install Afterburner to monitor your CPU/GPU temperature mid-game.
MSI comes with afterburner, you have to install it from the web/the CD it comes with if your oldschool.
You only thing you should be watching while OC if your CPU temp'
MSI AB will give you all the OSD temps you need.
https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
Those temps do seem a little warm for that cooler. I would reapply paste and reseat cooler just to be sure.
It should be, although it's not really recommended. Try MSI Afterburner. Just don't increase clocks too much (something like 20MHz bumps initially) and check temps and stability. If you got something thin and light, this can pretty much kill battery and temps.
Cant find the laptop online, please provide specs.
Im not sure what your asking for anyways, Turbo mode is a (shit in my opinion) hardware level feature, unless its a MSI software thing. What do you need the clock for, what architecture the chips are, what ram we are overclocking, how much cooling does your CPU/(insert overclockable chip here) have, and how much of the above determine what you can do.
If your looking for GPU overclocking download Afterburner: https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
If you want to overclock your CPU then download Intel XTU or use your BIOS: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/24075/Intel-Extreme-Tuning-Utility-Intel-XTU-
If you meant system ram, you usually cant in laptops. You could probably mod your BIOS to allow it however. Just search around and you could probably find a forum on like Overclock.net that has a link to a community modded BIOS.
Hope any of this helps, if you need any more info ill need specs and what your goals are. :)
So basically, either your system is trying to draw more power than your power supply is capable of giving it, or your system is getting too hot when you try to do something intensive.
The heat issue is easier to diagnose. Download MSI Afterburner, look at the hardware monitor and find where it says CPU temperature, ^(o)C. The graph below that label will show the temperature of your processor. Once you've found it, try opening premiere and see how high it goes. 70C is great, 100C is the maximum safe temp, anything higher and the CPU will slow down or shut off.
First of all, I totally agree with the suggestion to post on /r/buildapc and ask some questions. Post your specs there in a post and ask about what you're trying to do. Adding a new hard drive should be trivially easy as far as these things go. Adding some case fans shouldn't be too hard either. The only thing you really need to figure out is where to plug these things into the motherboard. There should be a few extra headers (power sources) to plug the fans in. There should also be a few extra ports to plug in Sata cables for the hard drive. There should be at least one or two extra hard drive bays inside the case that will fit a 3.5" hard drive. You just need a Sata cable and some screws to secure it to the hard drive bay.
In the meantime, something you should do that may help a lot is to install MSI Afterburner and uninstall whatever crap ASUS software came with your GPU. I have an ASUS GTX 960 and the software that came with it really works quite poorly. MSI Afterburner, even though it's made by a different company, works a lot better. I use it to set cooling curves, meaning how fast I want the fans to run when the card reaches certain temperatures. When my card reaches like 60 degrees celsius or higher I have the fans set to run at 100 percent because I don't mind the noise and want to keep temps low. This may help solve your problem by itself, so try this first.
MSI Afterburner is the software you're looking for.
https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
The download for it is kinda tricky to find: https://gyazo.com/e127d74431ab2cd04447a6ab6123c570
When installed, follow this guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIlMRRlKQGg
Hope this helps!
First, I would using MSI Afterburner and furmark. I would recommend to only keep those two applications running in order to properly stress test your gpu.
As for the actual overclocking; I turn on the custom fan curve and max power and temp limit (it should never get this high). Then, in 20 mhz intervals increase the core clock. Wait a few minutes, check if you get any artifacts on furmark, then up it again. Keep going until you get a stable (0 artifacts) core clock. Do the same thing with memory clock, except you can go up by 100 mhz.
I hope this helped, if not this is a useful video I used!
Your setup should be fine for near max settings in most games. Try downloading MSI Afterburner and using its on screen display to track frame rate and CPU/GPU usage while you play. You want to aim for 60 fps for smooth gameplay. If you're not getting the performance you want, use the on screen display to see if the CPU or GPU is hitting 100% usage. The one that hits 100% is the one you'd want to upgrade.
Another thing you might want to do is use RivaTuner Statistics Server (this comes installed with MSI Afterburner) to limit your framerate to 60 fps. A game can feel like it is stuttering even if you're above 60 fps if the frames are not spaced evenly. Setting a limit of 60 fps helps smooth out these types of stutters. This also keeps your computer from working harder than it needs to, since framerates above 60 fps have limited benefit on a 60hz monitor unless you're playing competitive shooter games where minimal lag is crucial.
Also what settings are you running in RotTR? VXAO ambient occlusion setting is notoriously demanding, so probably just use HBAO+ or lower. The max level of detail setting is also pretty demanding and you might not notice turning that setting or shadows down a notch. I find that a lot of max settings in games aren't always worth the performance hit since they aren't always too noticeable unless you're specifically looking for them.
Yeah it's a blower style. It's only got one fan so it's going to run hot.... unfortunately one of the downsides of pre-built PC's is they tend to use the cheapest possible cards out there which are often the ones which cheap out on cooling solutions.
You should be able to adjust the fan speed/curve via afterburner: https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
Give that a download and play around in the settings. you may need to crank the Fan to 100% to keep it a little cooler.
Though as indicated 80 is safe, just don't want to see it get too much higher. The card will throttle back performance the hotter it gets past the 85 mark.
The easiest way is to just download MSI Afterburner and Unigine Heaven. Turn voltage, power, and temps all the way to the right, then mix and match with core and memory clock settings, use heaven to stress test until stable.
Check out this video for more pointers. It's actually super easy to overclock GPU than CPU.
You should try monitoring your PC's vitals while you play. CPU usage, GPU usage, Temps, etc. A good program for this is MSI Afterburner. Without more details it is hard to help.
I believe Bungie designed the game to not work with any overlays at all on purpose. The workaround I use is to use the Afterburner mobile app and have the "MSI Afterburner Remote Server" app running on my PC. It displays everything you have afterburner setup to monitor on your PC on the phone app. Not ideal but a cool thing I didn't even know afterburner could do.
Afterburner Remote Server PC app click on the downloads tab and its the one on the bottom right. launch that, you will get a new afterburner icon in your sys tray, double click it and it will give you the ip address to put in the mobile app to make them connect.
iOS version you can find just by searching Afterburner in the store I'm sure
Use MSI Afterburner to see if it's CPU or GPU. It might be overheating so try limiting your framerate to 60 and see if it's till dropping to 20.
You can use Riva Tuner (comes together with Afterburner) to limit you FPS for testing and make it so you can see CPU and GPU usage and temps.
> hello i wanted to know if ill get any fps boost if i oc my gtx 970 ssc.
Yes you will.
> what would i need program/specific type of mobo?
You can use MSI Afterburner.
For stress testing you can use
There isn't any settings to "turn on" you just increase the frequency of the GPU and when there's instability or anomalies you slightly increase Core Voltage until you're stable again.
(Experience from Asus 1060) When the GPU gets about 55-60c it starts to slightly decrease the clockspeed, so adjust the fan speeds accordingly.
Software OC: MSI Afterburner link
Stability tester: Folding at Home, link
You may be able to get back some degrees with undervolting. GPU Boost 3.0 makes it a bit of a convoluted process, as it uses a voltage-frequency curve, but you can trick the curve into giving you nowhere to go but a fixed clock at a fixed voltage (roughly, sometimes it doesn't cooperate.) All you'll need is MSI afterburner. I'll write up my process in doing so if you're interested.
Multiple 3rd party software exists to overclock and monitor GPU performance. The one I screenshotted was MSI Afterburner. Available here under the downloads tab in the bottom-left of your screen: https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
This video is helpful in getting accustomed to using MSI for monitoring things like temp, % CPU usage, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUS3zx0DlHg
I'd set it to show FPS, GPU% use, CPU% use, GPU temp, CPU temp, memory usage (<- they actually mean VRAM)
One of many things may be happening:
The GPU is overheating, leading to throttling. Expect temp spikes during framerate drops. Solution is to make the fans go faster to cool down the card, which can be also done with MSI Afterburner.
Your GPU has 3.5GB of VRAM, your game settings might be crossing that threshold.
(Very unlikely) You're in Novigrad or another CPU-intensive area and your CPU is bottlenecking the GPU significantly. Expect CPU% use to skyrocket to 99%, which indicates bottlenecking during those periods.
Any time you are unsure as to where an issue might be hardware monitoring will be your friend.
Programs such as MSI's afterburner: This is the one that I like to use, its a little "dated" in its presentation but it does an outstanding job at showing things like CPU usage per core, GPU usage, memory usage, tracking it combined with RivaTuner Statistics(Get V 6.6.0 for latest stable bottom of page) to provide monitoring in game.
Others such as NZXT's CAM software or EVGA's Precision X can be used to track hardware also.
Then its a matter of finding out what your average FPS in game is (40? 60? 90? you didnt say how you tracked your FPS) and when you see dips, which component corresponds to it.
For example, in heavy explosions my CPU spikes to 100% usage and as a result I get frame drops. So the issue lies within my CPU rather then my GPU, memory or storage solution. But the 4690k seems to show its age in BF1. The CPU maxes out in 64p multiplayer at ~85-90FPS as an upper bound. Generally I play at 70/75 FPS on average with swings between [55-85] (spikes, menu)
One thing that wasnt mentioned, obviously close down other programs when playing BF1. Watching twitch and recording your game with OBS will tax your CPU/GPU which can cause issues. Although Im assuming you already know this.
Unfortunately without knowing what your CPU/GPU/Mem/internet usage is at different settings/framerates I cannot make any actual suggestions as to where a problem even exists.
No worries. I think the real question is, what are you looking to get out of the CPU upgrade? With the GTX 750ti, while a decent if dated budget gaming card to be sure, it may be better to replace that in order to gain better gaming performance. The A8 you have now, while not all that, should be good enough to support an RX 480, GTX 1060, etc for some 1080p gaming on high settings at good frame rates. What you want to do is take a look at your system usage during your gaming session(s) with something like Afterburner. See what/where the bottleneck truly is and then go from there. No reason to blow money on a new CPU when the GPU is the problem (should that be the case).
If you have your mind set on the Gaming X I'm not going to tell you no. It has the higher core clock over the three I proposed, so you are not buying less of a card. It's just that the extra .025GHz isn't justified by the extra cost imo. I'd take the MSI OC and just run a (mild) manual overclock via Afterburner and call it good, saving the extra money. Back before cryptocurrency mining took off (again) the Radeon RX 470 could be had for the about the same price as the Gaming X, so it really made no sense then. But now that the RX 470 et al. are priced at or above their MSRP...
> will this card and the above listed cards, run the games i listed Before in high settings?
Yes, same caveat for PUBG and D2. I get the questions, no worries. If you are seriously worried it might be wise to wait a bit and save up some more for a better GPU than the 1050ti. The 1050ti is a good GPU, don't get me wrong, but it's not the end-all, be-all GPU either. For 1080p gaming it's a solid performer but some of the better GPUs out there might give you more future proofing. The real problem is finding a better GPU that has not been priced out of the stratosphere due to the Bitcoin craze.
The new AMD Vega GPU has just been released and as the consumer versions make their way into the market, over the course of the next several months, it may change prices and opinions of "what to buy." Then again they may just be gobbled up by miners...
I think your question may be better asked over in /r/overclocking. And you may want to mention your method for OC, are you using MSI's Afterburner w/Rivatuner, etc.
It's a bit dated but there is also a Tom's Hardware guide for that specific GPU: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-graphics-card,1916-3.html
Well Laptops can get quite hot because they don't really have much space for a cooler. Maybe you could get MSI Afterburner if your GPU supports it. The programm let's you monitor and steer you GPU and its fans. Oherwise you could try to reduce some settings. Also you could try getting one of those "boards with a fan" that you put the Laptop on if nothing else helps.
edit: as for a range as a rule of thumb you shouldn't really go over ~80°C that much if you don't want heat damage
MSI Afterburner is my favorite software for graphing framerate and temperature, controlling fan speed, and overclocking. It happens to also be great recording software. It does literally everything, and looks great on a tertiary monitor.
This likely just apply to people who run their hardware at max when playing the game.
You can monitor your performance with something like MSI Afterburner and RTTS to see how both your RAM, GPU and CPU are being utilized.
If you are close to maxing out your CPU utilization, or running at max RAM when playing, it might be a good idea to close several other applications.
There are tools that will give you super resolutions in some games. I haven't found one that actually works for SC though. I use a custom user.cfg in SC that allows me to specify any default/starting resolution I want. The difficult part with using any resolution greater than your monitor is that the edges of the game window will go beyond the monitor.
And no, <strong>MSI Afterburner</strong> is a free program that can be used on any card. I started using it because:
- I could specify LOSSLESS PNG as the file type for screenshots (no JPG compression)
- It does a great job of recording gameplay video on my system
- Paired with Riva Tuner Statistics Server, Afterburner has a nifty little game overlay for FPS, system temps, usage, etc.
Civ 5 used to be notorious for overheating certain systems though I'm not sure if that issue still happens or not. Either way, I highly suggest using MSI Afterburner/RivaTuner (or whatever tool you prefer) to monitor CPU and GPU temps and maybe cap FPS to 60 or whatever while you're at it.
MSI Afterburner allows you to change the speed of GPU fans, and also monitor GPU temps.
OpenHardwareMonitor watches basically every single temp, from CPU to GPU to harddrives.
Two possibilities come to mind: A runaway background process, and overheating.
For the first: Open Task Manager to Processes/Details, sort by CPU descending, and play the game in a window keeping Task Manager visible. When you get slowdown, glance over and see if some process is hogging more CPU than the game.
For the second: Install Afterburner with RivaTuner, enable logging and the on-screen display, play the game. Check the temperatures that are displayed on-screen and also check the temp-over-time graphs after you exit. Check both CPU and GPU temps although AMD CPUs rarely give accurate temp info.
The "Stat software" as you put it, it's MSI afterburner, or at least like 90% of them use that, as it's an easy tool to use (it's technically the Rivetrunner software as you can get as a bonus or whatever it's called).
But from the information I got from you, it will not be your GPU that would need upgrading. It will either be your RAM (Just be sure to check if your motherboard can actually support 4x4gb RAM, as some cannot. And some cannot support different types of ram at the same time.)
I did some checking on your CPU as well. And I tested it against mine, and mine is slightly more powerful and it can also be overclocked a lot more. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4570-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2500K/2770vs619
P.S on the new Patch (1.05) I've experienced random stuttering I didn't have before. However, those tends to be in the exact same spot every single time. As I've been able to replicate the stutter on the same spot from a different angle at a different velocity (in the nomad)
So in short. Use MSI afterburner and Rivatuner (looked up the name, and no I'm not going to change the error above as I'm typing this on my laptop while just lazing off and that's too much work to bother with.)
https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner Here you can find that.
Since you're running on Ultra, it's very likely it can be due to the RAM not having enough memory that sometimes the stutters happen. Because it needs to load in the new section it didn't have ready yet. (It's is very common in many games and you can get very funny results and strange results if you don't have enough RAM)
It's mose likely the lack of RAM but just do a few own checks with the Rivatuner to make sure 100% before deciding.
Take a look at two things. First would be what is your bottleneck currently, CPU or GPU? Use something like MSI's Afterburner to see which is maxing out during game play. That will be your biggest determining factor. The other item to consider is what exact model of R9 200 series do you have? If it's a 280x or less, the 470 would give you a decent boost in GPU performance. If it's a 290 or better then the 470 would not add much.
Dxtory is my go-to when I'm not using OBS, but it's not free. MSI Afterburner is free, and people seem to really like that for screen capture, but I've never used it before.
MSI Afterburner. You can either set fan to a constant speed or create a custom fan curve in the settings. Explore a bit and play with the options. And don't worry too much about heat, these things are made to sustain high temperatures.
Rivatuner Statistics Server that comes with MSI Afterburner (A GPU monitoring, tweaking and overclocking program that works with pretty much all GPUs, not just MSI). Or download Rivatuner Statistics Server on it's own
MSI Afterburner w/ RTSS: https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
Standalone: http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/rtss-rivatuner-statistics-server-download.html
Guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdXVKS69j3A
Also, if you use it standalone, you can check "Show Own Statistics" and have a FPS counter ingame.
The 6700K would be a poor choice and would probably not fix your problem. I doubt the HP mobo supports OC for the K series. I'm going to guess that you are trying to render 4K video, my recommendation would be take a look at where exactly your system is bogging down with something like MSI Afterburner while running your edit. See what is actually maxing out most of the time to find your bottleneck(s). Best guess recommendations, upgrade your drive(s) to SSD to/from which you edit video, max out your RAM to the 32GB the mobo can hold, take a look at the software you are using for editing to ensure it is using your system to it's best possible extent (GPU rendering, etc). You might hit up /r/VideoEditing for more suggestions.
you can set the a fan curve on DC but its a pain, if you go into the bios and mess with the fan curve and see what you are able to do, find the right performance to noise ratio. if that isn't working or is to big of a pain to get to work properly then id replace them with PWM fans. it is a night and day difference working with them.
for the GPU if you havent already done so download MSI afterburner. it will work with any brand GPU and you are able to set fan curves for the card, overclock it (but only to what the BIOS of the GPU allows it to) and a few other things.
Go to here MSI Afterburner. Install Afterburner. It's an application that displays performance info onscreen.
There'll be a reading for Direct3d or DX9/10/11/12. That's your GPU info. It will show you the framerate. You'll also see more detailed info, such as amount of GPU Vram and GPU usage.
Go into the games graphics settings. Select either High or Medium. You'll see the performance difference. From there, you could manually dial in settings to your liking to fit whatever framerate you want.
I suggest this:
Med/High Textures
Low/Medium shadows
Post processing low or off
Motion Blur off
Anti-Aliasing low/off
Ambient Occlusion lowest setting
I just updated from https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner%20 to test and everything is here and working. Really no idea what is happening with yours.
>i saw i video and the only way to fix it is if you https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
Well, I don't know how accurate either one of them is, honestly, but I can tell you that you're not getting 80+ maxed out with max RT.
What a lot of people use is Afterburner from MSI with Riva Tuner Statistics. https://www.msi.com/page/Afterburner. Download, install, then go into the UI and configure your ON SCREEN DISPLAY with what stats you'd like shown on screen. Can be everything from individual CPU core frequency to component temps to FRAMES PER SECOND, frame times, 1% lows, .01% lows, etc.
Or just FPS and temps, whatever you like. It will be accurate.
Here's a good tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pHuv8Ndc2Y&ab_channel=AlexTutorials
Did some g0ogaling... are you using the afterburner beta? Previous versions don’t support the new architecture https://www.msi.com/page/Afterburner try beta download. Edit:: Any videos or references to claymore are pretty much dead ends now.
MSI afterburner is probably the most common, but in this case it will graph you GPU clock, power consumption and temperature.
just run that, don't change anything and let furmark run for like 30 min, then check the stats, you should see 100% gpu utilization, somewhat stable clocks, and temps (idk the normal 1060 stock temps).
https://www.msi.com/page/Afterburner
i use msi afterburner to overclock, and msi kombustor to test stability. sometimes it'll run fine in kombustor but crash in a certain game or have stuttering, backing down the clock usually helps if thats the case
You can use HWInfo. It's basically a better version of HWMonitor with way more information. You can also use MSI Afterburner to track not only the CPU wattage but other statics in real-time. Here's how Afterburner's overlay looks in-game.
The real-time CPU wattage is at the end of the second line in my particular setup.
Oh it's fairly easy too setup, plenty of tutorials on youtube as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eIITS_H0oA This one is fairly solid at a first glance here.
https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner Bottom of the page here on the left.
Do install rivatuner server statistics as well with msi afterburner there it should come up as an option when you install msi afterburner. You can setup programs too use specific framerate limits there custom too your own liking which if you dont mind tinkering a bit can be a great help there is also a global profile you can set which forces anything it recognizes too that same fps limit, mine is set too 203 here which is fairly high still but certainly much less then some loading screens & main menu's I've come across over the years that push fps into 1000's for no reason other then poor programming.
You can use something like MSI Afterburner to check and adjust the speeds and voltages of your GPU. If it's factory overclocked, it may be an aggressive OC, and/or it could be getting hot. You may need to blow any dust out of it.
I would suggest playing while running MSI Afterburner and look at the OSD, if your framerate isn't a solid 60fps then see if your GPU or CPU usage are hitting near 100%, then that's your bottleneck.
RAID 0 won't help in those games at all, and adding more RAM might help, but the way browsers work they just start writing to swap if you have something like a game running that's using up RAM. The browser will be a bit slower when you switch tabs but the game will be fine.
For starters I would uninstall MSI Afterburner, restart the PC, then reinstall MSI Afterburner Beta at the bottom of the page. The Beta is needed for the 3000 series cards for those that don't know. Restart the PC and see if that helps. If not...
Use DDU to uninstall the video driver and then uninstall Geforce Experience using windows uninstaller. Restart the computer. Then I would reinstall Geforce Experience and let it update the driver.
> WHEA uncorrectable error
This is hardware/driver/heat related.
> instantly turns off if i try to reboot
And this points at heat a second time.
Could you do me a favour and check you're temperatures while playing?
You can use tools like MSI Afterburner to see them while playing.